ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
What happened with this guy last year? Just fresh legs?
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I'm honestly at a loss to come up with another player who looked SO good one year and SO terrible the next. Of course, I didn't have him last year.
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
shadyridr
Footballguy
jeremy hill
AcerFC
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Put a nail in the CJ coffin.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Here's hoping Elway still has Montee on his speed dial and can man up enough to ring him up. Anderson is a pile of pooh.
IheartGuinness
Footballguy
I benched him. Lost anyway. Here's to moral victories!
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
If you had told me at the beginning of the season that before week FOUR, I would be deciding on whether to bench a healthy Justin Forsett or a (relatively) healthy C.J. Anderson in favor of Karlos Williams, I would have had you drug-tested. But that's where we are at. This hobby is beyond frustrating sometimes.
Black
Footballguy
1. DEN is still not running well. O-line still working it out.
2. If teams start respecting this passing game that re-started about 6 quarters ago, lanes will open up.
3. CJ will get healthier.
4. If that passing game IS picking up (Peyton threw pretty well tonight, I thought), scoring will increase, which also bumps CJ's value.
Only thing working against CJ that might not get better is Hillman as a COP. I think they'll continue to share carries.
2. If teams start respecting this passing game that re-started about 6 quarters ago, lanes will open up.
3. CJ will get healthier.
4. If that passing game IS picking up (Peyton threw pretty well tonight, I thought), scoring will increase, which also bumps CJ's value.
Only thing working against CJ that might not get better is Hillman as a COP. I think they'll continue to share carries.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
while I appreciate your outlook, we (CJA) supporters can't take anything good about the first 3 games. intestinal fortitude will decide what happens in the next few weeks
isn't it great to have the RB1 of a 3-0 team?
#godiwishicouldunloadhim
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Hard to recall a 1st round RB performing this badly sans serious injury.
Deamon
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
he played 3 games all year before he was injured in the 4th. 83 (and a td), 89, and 44 all purpose yards in those 3 games. Wouldn't say that is that bad.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
Quez
Footballguy
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Well, you could add the other victim of small off-season sample size extrapolations, Jeremy Hill. Or Zac Stacy before that.
There is a FF lesson here about how extremely dependent the value of power-backs is to the strength of their O-line to open gaps through the middle. Disregard Hill and Anderson for a moment. Zac Stacy often looked beastly in his good season with the Rams. I remember at one point he led the league in broken tackles per run attempt. What happened there?
It is quite possible that - outside of a few uber-studs at the position - the safer and better dynasty bang-for-the-buck are actually guys like Bernard, Abdullah, Sproles.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
I kept telling myself this guy was hugely overrated, then he "fell" to me at 1.09 in a redraft and I ended up taking him. Should've would've could've.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
When the team is rushing for 2.6 y/c and even your change of pace guy is only getting 3.1 it's not the backs.
Fireinside
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Denver run game is crap right now. Who knows if they find their way mid season like they did last year. Cj hillman, both have been ####ty albeit hillman slightly less ####ty so far. Until new news from kubiak comes out about workload changes no Denver running back is startable right now.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Nero
Footballguy
I agree to a certain extent. It does suggest he has replaceable level talent. The lone bright spot is he is only facing Hillman. If the line play improves, he could regain the feature back role.
Mozeta
Footballguy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
It's amazing how much CJ looks like 2013 Ray Rice.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
well, thanks for the title last year CJ, this year, you're benched
Dunno, maybe he's playing real tight now under the pressure of starting. And/or the holes he was expecting arent there. Not many running backs can produce something out of nothing, im just saying CJ isnt one of them.
cstu
Footballguy
A lot of good RB's are performing poorly this year - I don't think it's coincidence that both CJ and Hillman are in the top 10 worst YPA's.
cstu
Footballguy
A guy doesn't averaged 4.74 YPA like he did last year with no vision. There's simply no holes for him (or Hillman) to run through.
If you have examples of holes he missed like Richardson I'd love to see them and be proven wrong.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
dipandglide
Footballguy
What's weird is neither rb has been given a chance in the screen game. Is that because Kubiak doesn't feature that in his offense? Foster was a ppr beast and got plenty of screen passes. Why isn't CJA?
DaveGrumbles
Footballguy
A lot of truth here. I think much of the CJ 'analysis' in here is based solely on box scores. There's absolutely nothing there for any running back on the Broncos to gain consistent yardage. Hillman looks better? In what way? He might have 'broke off' an extra 5 yarder over CJ mainly because he's getting passing down carries. On running downs, he's plowing into the same piles as CJ. That's an offensive line problem and a scheme problem more than anything else.
The issue is what most people assumed it would be before the season and that is the Manning-Kubiak clash of styles. It's a bad fit and it shows. The offense lacks an identity at this point...it doesn't have Peyton's stamp and it doesn't have Kubiak's either. Instead it's a mish-mash of ugly with flashes of Peyton just creating his own offense when necessary. Until one side or the other gives, the horrible run game will continue and no Bronco back will be startable.
mr roboto
Footballguy
This is weird. Although this isn't a pure Kubiak offense anymore. But Manning used to throw to RBs quite a bit in IND.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
I have thought about flipping the combo of both of them to another owner with a similarly disappointing back like maybe Miller or hill. I guess I am tempted to hold on because at least I have both of them in case one of them gets it going. I've been a big Anderson supporter but I think at this point if I absolutely have to start one again I'll go with Hillman in case he accidentally gets some space on a play... I was happy picking at the back end of a 14 team league thinking I was getting a potential rushing champion after he was so strong last year down the stretch
Im not talking about holes, im talking about not running up the back of your lineman or straight helmet to helmet into a tackler. Hillman is running behind the same line and looks modestly better, does he not? He's find seams to fall forward a couple yards etc. CJ getting stuffed at LOS.
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Yes, its definitely a line issue. But that doesnt make CJs prospects any brighter. He doesnt look like the kind of back that can eek out positive yards behind a bad line, which is a problem because they are going to give the ball to the guy that can. 2nd and 8 is different than 2nd and 10. If CJ isnt on the field he cant score any (even minimal, plodding) fantasy points.
(HULK)
(Smash)
CJ Anderson 8 carries for 18 yards (2.25 avg) + 1 reception for 9 yards (9 avg)
Hillman 7 carries for 13 yards (1.86 avg) + 1 reception for 3 yards (3 avg)
CJ won this round imo. (round 3 of who can suck less in this terrible offense)
you left off Hillman's touchdown (tends to affect your avg in a small sample size).
The bottom line is Hillman has 3.14 y/c and Anderson 2.31, season to date.
Yes. But assumedly they have to start a running back. Hillman has looked marginally better. How is that not a concern?
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