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If there are some to be added, no problem. Will list list them. And Ill add Roethlisberger too since you include Eli (I just didnt think they had enough of a career yet).
Seriously?
It's easy to be cool headed when you're playing in an offensive system that's 15 years ahead of its time with a bunch of other hall of famers.
Is there anyone in the universe who thinks either Eli Manning or Jim Plunkett is the 2nd best QB of the Superbowl era? Because if not, then who cares if they're not on the list?
Rice, Walsh and Young on offense. Lott and Dean on defense. I think its fair to say Montana had a serious advantage over Marino and Elway because of Rice and Walsh, but he would have been a HOFer without them.
Jeff Hostetler and Trent Dilfer made it to, and won, Super Bowls. Should they be on the list?
He's probably unaware that Bradshaw had a 1:1 career TD-to-INT ratio, and Bradshaw was so questionable for the first five years of his career that in that fifth season (the 1974 season) Bradshaw was beat out in preseason and Joe Gillam was the Steelers starting QB that season until he was yanked after six games due to drug use suspicion.Shaky credentials for the second best ever.
Plus he couldn't spell cat if you spotted him two of the letters.Jewell said:
Exactly....Montana was showing all the attributes that make him Goat before Rice. Won two Superbowls with and avg WR corp at best. I don't see how Young exactly was an advantage to have on the team for Montana either...smh.. As far as Walsh and the scheme.. So what? Every great need the right situation to max excel, but Montana was doing all the things he is famous for, ESP cool under pressure, in high school, college, and after Walsh.CalBear said:
Yea, let's quote stats in an era when:
LOLIt's funny how not conceding Terry Bradshaw as the greatest QB ever means that you don't appreciate players before the modern era. For the record, I would rank Otto Graham and not Joe Montana as the greatest ever.
Since you are trying to account for the era in which they played I think you have to acknowledge that Unitas pretty much blows everyone else out of the water.
The problem with this is you had a guy (Unitas) putting up modern type numbers 20 years before Bradshaw even came around.
Huh? Bradshaw won Super Bowls in 1979 and 1980. He didn't play well after that rule? LOL. It's not about having the best completion rates. You keep quoting stats; get off the stat bandwagon, already. In Brady's Super Bowl winning seasons he was barely in the top 10 for fantasy QBs. And perhaps one of the reasons he didn't win more was because Montana made his debut in the 1981 season and started winning rings.
You can believe it, but I doubt it is true.
Did any of those guys do it more than once? Bradshaw did it 4 times just in the Super Bowl, and countless others in those playoff runs. You're not making an argument here.
I think maybe people remember the Terry that was flinging it to Lynn & Stallworth circa 78-79, not the 'can't spell cat' Terry who was regularly being threatened with benching due to play circa 71-74. And we're talking vs backups like Hanratty and Gilliam.
You're moving the goalposts here. I was responding to your point that it's not fair to compare Bradshaw's stats to Montana because Bradshaw played pre-1978. Bradshaw also played after 1978 and his stats still weren't very good.
So if the Immaculate Reception was called correctly, Bradshaw would have been a worse QB?
Take 1973 - the Steelers under Bradshaw had the highest interception % in the league.
