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Ned Ryerson

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Just wanted to get some people's thoughts on it.

I watched it yesterday. I know this might be blasphemy, but I feel like maybe they could have cut back on some of the sex and drugs. Not that I minded or was offended, but at some point it seemed gratuitous. We get it, the lead character lived to excess. Also, how many VERY lengthy speeches by Leo to the 'troops" did we need. It seemed like that was a good solid 20 minutes of the movie.

The plot of of this story, to me at least, did not justify a 3 hour run time. Marty- I know you are a master and a genius, but bringing in an editor might not have killed you.

That said, Leo killed it, Jonah Hill was great as well. I laughed a lot, and the chick who plays his 2nd wife in the movie is just staggeringly beautiful, and we see A LOT of her. https://www.google.com/search?q=margot+robbie&espv=210&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=s6u8Ut3WGcahkQfC0oCIAQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=932

Seemed like a lesser Goodfellas to me.

 
What you wrote is pretty much 90% of the reviews I'm seeing. Not so interested in seeing it now.

 
Only noticed one walkout. But it was definitely a 25+ crowd. Don't think I saw any kids at all.

Blowing coke directly into a hooker's ### 3 minutes in. They don't waste time showing you the path the movie is going down.

 
Ned Ryerson said:
Only noticed one walkout. But it was definitely a 25+ crowd. Don't think I saw any kids at all.

Blowing coke directly into a hooker's ### 3 minutes in. They don't waste time showing you the path the movie is going down.
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This just in...the '80s were decadent. A story about one of the craziest mofos amongst that decadence might be less than Disney. I have two work friends who went with family and had family members walk out. These friends are both partiers so they thought it was funny, but I'm wondering what their family members were thinking. "Oh, yay, it's the guy who did Aviator and I love Leo!"

 
Ned Ryerson said:
The plot of of this story, to me at least, did not justify a 3 hour run time. Marty- I know you are a master and a genius, but bringing in an editor might not have killed you.
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Eh? The editor cut it down from Martin's 4 hours to a reasonable 3...

 
Is Leo's speech as good as Gordon Gekko's? It's my yardstick for all Wall Street movies.

 
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it got a very low rating from viewers on their way out of the theaters, something like a C/C- which is not good.

I really liked Hugo and thought it was one of the best movies a couple years ago. It struggled at the box office despite glowing reviews across the board, amazing cinematography, wonderful sets.

Casino only grossed $42M, sometimes his films are not as popular as some would believe.

It still looks like it will have a huge weekend, 3 hours of cocaine and sex, sign me up.

 
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Was really looking forward to this until I saw the running time of 3 hours :eek: Way to long to sit in the theater for a "character" piece.. I'll wait for the rental.

 
snogger said:
Was really looking forward to this until I saw the running time of 3 hours :eek: Way to long to sit in the theater for a "character" piece.. I'll wait for the rental.
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Same. Plus I heard there's a lot of bare T&A in this movie, and I'm tired of all the looks I get when I try to j/o in the theater.

 
snogger said:
Was really looking forward to this until I saw the running time of 3 hours :eek: Way to long to sit in the theater for a "character" piece.. I'll wait for the rental.
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That's another thing keeping me from going. Was thinking of ducking out at work during lunch because half the office is gone anyway, but 3hrs is insane.

 
RUSF18 said:
snogger said:
Was really looking forward to this until I saw the running time of 3 hours :eek: Way to long to sit in the theater for a "character" piece.. I'll wait for the rental.
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Same. Plus I heard there's a lot of bare T&A in this movie, and I'm tired of all the looks I get when I try to j/o in the theater.
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Popcorn Surprise TM

 
My thoughts, mild spoilers below, I don't see a place to put spoiler tags.....

It was the best time I've had at the movies in some time, I think its the most watchable/rewatchable of Scorsese's films since Goodfellas and the comparisons are very just. Now, I knew nothing about this movie, I generally try to avoid trailers and preview material of movies I want to see, so I had no idea of the raunchy nature of this throughout. I have zero problem with this content and I'm kind of :unsure: when I think "well, this is kind of what I remember my 20s being like" growing up in NYC. Not on this level but for anyone who says its extreme, all I can tell you is, its not too far gone on a party by party basis, particularly for guys making this kind of cash (which I never did but I got to be a flunky at a bachelor party for a few of them).

Now, that said, I've never seen that depicted in movie with this depth, duration and detail before. Its usually more implied than amplified but whatever, but considering I took my high school senior nephew and 8th grade nephew on opening night, I definitely had a few :shock: moments considering they were in tow. I don't worry about the senior but my 8th grade nephew, I'm not sure how much he followed the financial stuff but he knows a nude chick when he sees one. We had to have a nice talk on the ride home to make sure the excess and fun of this movie is fine to laugh at but not to forget the message.

And then my 8th grade nephew asked me, of all that dizzying content, the first thing he said was, what did the end mean (the pen bit). And I assumed it was sort of the symbolism of Jordan being removed from his environment, the wolf has lost his pack of people that would understand how to sell the pen. But then I thought, what really was the statement or point of this whole movie. What is this movie saying, is there any overall commentary.

I feel like Goodfellas had a greater commentary on Henry Hill "winning" or having a happy ending, and the life in purgatory as a schnook in San Diego was worse than his time in Jail. But ultimately, It seemed like a message that crime doesn't pay.

I guess this movie has sort of a feeling of that, but really, its about two hours and fifteen minutes of a rocket ship thrill ride. If you're worried about the time, you're crazy, this movie absolutely snaps by. Its almost draining its such a frentic pace. But it basically plays out in a decline and comeuppance that is pretty paint by numbers and a conventional American morality play that crime doesn't pay.

I'm a big believer that filmmakers make the movie they make and you can't review a movie based on the movie YOU would have made, you have to judge on the movie that was made. That said, there wasn't much stakes explained in what was lost. The money was a thorough abstraction, and that note was captured. I've known folks with wiring, and its amazing how close in geneology the broker and the compulsive gambler are (with frequent overlap). And to the Jordan character, it wasn't about having enough money when he gets offered that deal he reneged on. Its that gene that says 20 million made is really 30 million lost because I know I could have pushed that to 50 million. There is no satiating that beast like an average person might do.

So I guess the question I leave with is, what the hell is the point of this movie? He still looks like he's living the life of a one percenter, and he may no longer be in that top 10 percent of the one percent but for the vast majority of the audience, he's still not living a relatable life. I guess that lost connection to his work family, wasn't as effectively played out as it was for me in Goodfellas.

That said, I one hundred percent recommend this movie. It really needs to be seen to be believed. and its hard to think you'll have a bad time unless youre born again or perhaps otherwise stridently religious.

 
Excellent post Smack. I would never say a director cannot misstep but we are talking about Scorcese who likely will direct a handful more of films if we are lucky, perhaps the greatest mainstream director or one of a handful in this generation of film, in fact he covers a couple generations at this point. For the life of me I cannot figure out how folks would not want to see this movie except there are lots of folks who never do or did much in the way of drugs, never were exposed to the Wall Street Playboy lifestyle that carries well over from the 80s into the 90s and 00s.

I will definitely see it as I do all Scorcese films on the big screen. I worked in the early 90s for stockbrokers and then major banks in mortgages and securities, lot of excess happening and I think I'll find the movie entertaining.

Very high standard when you have to top Goodfellas all the time. My least favorite Scorcese film of the last couple decades is probably The Departed which was a big commercial success for Scorcese. Others like The Aviator, Casino, and Gangs of New York all were incredible films, can't imagine this one is going to be a bore by any stretch.

 
Ned Ryerson said:
and the chick who plays his 2nd wife in the movie is just staggeringly beautiful, and we see A LOT of her.
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She is....and guess who nailed her?

 
Ned Ryerson said:
Just wanted to get some people's thoughts on it.

I watched it yesterday. I know this might be blasphemy, but I feel like maybe they could have cut back on some of the sex and drugs. Not that I minded or was offended, but at some point it seemed gratuitous. We get it, the lead character lived to excess.
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Don't plan on seeing it, but welcome to every movie ever.

 
The best Scorcese film since Goodfellas.

Shortest 3 hour movie ever

Did not look at my watch once,

 
GREAT F'n movie.

For guys that have seen my posts about movies I don't say many are great...in fact the last movie I said go see in the theater was "Ray"

This was a F'N' awesome flick!

 
Yeah, really good movie. Best I've seen in a while.

I did think they had about 30 minutes too much Jonah Hill. Also, the VoiceOver worked, but felt like Goodfellas 2 at times.

Margot Robbie may be the hottest woman I've ever seen in a movie.

 
I thought it was stuck in between two movies. I can see how some couldn't take some scenes. Yet, I think the best option for this movie would have been to completely lose itself in the debauchery. A lot of movie goers would have been disgusted but then I think the movie would have forced fed you to the point of utter disgust for those individuals. It would have been daring but I think would have been a tremendous movie.

Instead, it gave a half hearted attempt at giving the story some heart. The attempt fell flat as it didn't develop any caring for the characters. It didn't give enough from their marriages and how their faults negatively impacted their lives to give us any sense of consequences for their actions. Any scene that wasn't part of the obscene didn't add anything to the movie.

 
Loved it. Felt way quicker than three hours. Jonah Hill was an absolute riot, he is so much funnier when he is fat.

I might be a bit desensitized but I did not think the film was nearly raunchy as the internet is making it out to be. There are some quick flashes of sex on planes and with strippers and some nudity, but there were no explicit sex scenes that felt pornographic.

 
avoiding injuries said:
Margot Robbie may be the hottest woman I've ever seen in a movie
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:goodposting:

Enjoyed it. Like some others have said, could stand to be a little shorter.

Keep in mind this is coming from a theatre in the bible belt, but 12 people walked out. Mostly 55+ year olds who were expecting a remake of Wall Street maybe. One middle aged lady addressing the theatre with "This is the worst garbage I have ever seen" as she walked out the door. Then came back for her jacket & shouted something else about jesus which I tuned out because there was another religion on screen in Mrs. Belfort open leg teaser scene.

 
Got to see this today, I was blown away. The acting is first rate, Leo nails the Wall Street Monster and every bit of it was from that not so golden era of banking. I thought Jonah Hill was perfect opposite Leo and not to give away much but the scene towards the end involving a quaaludes hallucination was nothing sort of brilliant from both actors. Each of them should be getting serous Oscar nods for this movie.

3 hours and it never felt long, have a feeling people will kick themselves for not catching this at the theater down the road. I think it deserves serious Oscar nominations and it wouldn't surprise me if it walked away with a couple of trophies that night. Easily in my top 10 list for the year, probably in the top 5.

4/4 for me.

My only nitpick was the casting of Ethan Suplee who doesn't say much at all but his face keeps popping up in the scan arounds of the office. He has done some real work on TV and also in films like Blow. He seemed out of place and again I am being nit-picky.

 
Smack Tripper said:
My thoughts, mild spoilers below, I don't see a place to put spoiler tags.....

It was the best time I've had at the movies in some time, I think its the most watchable/rewatchable of Scorsese's films since Goodfellas and the comparisons are very just. Now, I knew nothing about this movie, I generally try to avoid trailers and preview material of movies I want to see, so I had no idea of the raunchy nature of this throughout. I have zero problem with this content and I'm kind of :unsure: when I think "well, this is kind of what I remember my 20s being like" growing up in NYC. Not on this level but for anyone who says its extreme, all I can tell you is, its not too far gone on a party by party basis, particularly for guys making this kind of cash (which I never did but I got to be a flunky at a bachelor party for a few of them).

Now, that said, I've never seen that depicted in movie with this depth, duration and detail before. Its usually more implied than amplified but whatever, but considering I took my high school senior nephew and 8th grade nephew on opening night, I definitely had a few :shock: moments considering they were in tow. I don't worry about the senior but my 8th grade nephew, I'm not sure how much he followed the financial stuff but he knows a nude chick when he sees one. We had to have a nice talk on the ride home to make sure the excess and fun of this movie is fine to laugh at but not to forget the message.

And then my 8th grade nephew asked me, of all that dizzying content, the first thing he said was, what did the end mean (the pen bit). And I assumed it was sort of the symbolism of Jordan being removed from his environment, the wolf has lost his pack of people that would understand how to sell the pen. But then I thought, what really was the statement or point of this whole movie. What is this movie saying, is there any overall commentary.

I feel like Goodfellas had a greater commentary on Henry Hill "winning" or having a happy ending, and the life in purgatory as a schnook in San Diego was worse than his time in Jail. But ultimately, It seemed like a message that crime doesn't pay.

I guess this movie has sort of a feeling of that, but really, its about two hours and fifteen minutes of a rocket ship thrill ride. If you're worried about the time, you're crazy, this movie absolutely snaps by. Its almost draining its such a frentic pace. But it basically plays out in a decline and comeuppance that is pretty paint by numbers and a conventional American morality play that crime doesn't pay.

I'm a big believer that filmmakers make the movie they make and you can't review a movie based on the movie YOU would have made, you have to judge on the movie that was made. That said, there wasn't much stakes explained in what was lost. The money was a thorough abstraction, and that note was captured. I've known folks with wiring, and its amazing how close in geneology the broker and the compulsive gambler are (with frequent overlap). And to the Jordan character, it wasn't about having enough money when he gets offered that deal he reneged on. Its that gene that says 20 million made is really 30 million lost because I know I could have pushed that to 50 million. There is no satiating that beast like an average person might do.

So I guess the question I leave with is, what the hell is the point of this movie? He still looks like he's living the life of a one percenter, and he may no longer be in that top 10 percent of the one percent but for the vast majority of the audience, he's still not living a relatable life. I guess that lost connection to his work family, wasn't as effectively played out as it was for me in Goodfellas.

That said, I one hundred percent recommend this movie. It really needs to be seen to be believed. and its hard to think you'll have a bad time unless youre born again or perhaps otherwise stridently religious.
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Or just not needing to be bombarded with debauchery solely for the sake of debauchery without any character development for THREE FRIGGIN' HOURS!

 
Christo said:
Smack Tripper said:
My thoughts, mild spoilers below, I don't see a place to put spoiler tags.....

It was the best time I've had at the movies in some time, I think its the most watchable/rewatchable of Scorsese's films since Goodfellas and the comparisons are very just. Now, I knew nothing about this movie, I generally try to avoid trailers and preview material of movies I want to see, so I had no idea of the raunchy nature of this throughout. I have zero problem with this content and I'm kind of :unsure: when I think "well, this is kind of what I remember my 20s being like" growing up in NYC. Not on this level but for anyone who says its extreme, all I can tell you is, its not too far gone on a party by party basis, particularly for guys making this kind of cash (which I never did but I got to be a flunky at a bachelor party for a few of them).

Now, that said, I've never seen that depicted in movie with this depth, duration and detail before. Its usually more implied than amplified but whatever, but considering I took my high school senior nephew and 8th grade nephew on opening night, I definitely had a few :shock: moments considering they were in tow. I don't worry about the senior but my 8th grade nephew, I'm not sure how much he followed the financial stuff but he knows a nude chick when he sees one. We had to have a nice talk on the ride home to make sure the excess and fun of this movie is fine to laugh at but not to forget the message.

And then my 8th grade nephew asked me, of all that dizzying content, the first thing he said was, what did the end mean (the pen bit). And I assumed it was sort of the symbolism of Jordan being removed from his environment, the wolf has lost his pack of people that would understand how to sell the pen. But then I thought, what really was the statement or point of this whole movie. What is this movie saying, is there any overall commentary.

I feel like Goodfellas had a greater commentary on Henry Hill "winning" or having a happy ending, and the life in purgatory as a schnook in San Diego was worse than his time in Jail. But ultimately, It seemed like a message that crime doesn't pay.

I guess this movie has sort of a feeling of that, but really, its about two hours and fifteen minutes of a rocket ship thrill ride. If you're worried about the time, you're crazy, this movie absolutely snaps by. Its almost draining its such a frentic pace. But it basically plays out in a decline and comeuppance that is pretty paint by numbers and a conventional American morality play that crime doesn't pay.

I'm a big believer that filmmakers make the movie they make and you can't review a movie based on the movie YOU would have made, you have to judge on the movie that was made. That said, there wasn't much stakes explained in what was lost. The money was a thorough abstraction, and that note was captured. I've known folks with wiring, and its amazing how close in geneology the broker and the compulsive gambler are (with frequent overlap). And to the Jordan character, it wasn't about having enough money when he gets offered that deal he reneged on. Its that gene that says 20 million made is really 30 million lost because I know I could have pushed that to 50 million. There is no satiating that beast like an average person might do.

So I guess the question I leave with is, what the hell is the point of this movie? He still looks like he's living the life of a one percenter, and he may no longer be in that top 10 percent of the one percent but for the vast majority of the audience, he's still not living a relatable life. I guess that lost connection to his work family, wasn't as effectively played out as it was for me in Goodfellas.

That said, I one hundred percent recommend this movie. It really needs to be seen to be believed. and its hard to think you'll have a bad time unless youre born again or perhaps otherwise stridently religious.
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Or just not needing to be bombarded with debauchery solely for the sake of debauchery without any character development for THREE FRIGGIN' HOURS!
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The debauchery was the character development.

spoilers below.....

got dragged to it again and it holds up on a repeat viewing and its not exactly subtext but there is rampant animal imagery in the film and the debauchery serves as a metaphor for the jungle these animals inhabit.

But in a more literal sense, there is the swiss banker, seen in front of a fish tank, Leo seen in front of a body of water, neutrality and isolation from the jungle and the problem comes when he comes to America. The fish leaves for the jungle. Also lots of lion imagery when he visits Aunt Emma, which I don't quite understand but it opens on a shot of a statue of a Lion, her door knocker is a lion.

 
Going to see this Friday Night. Can't wait.

Leo is one of our generations best actors....hands down. I have enjoyed a ton of his stuff along with Scorcese of course.

Catch Me if You Can - fantastic

Blood Diamond - fantastic

Basketball Diaries - fantastic

The Departed - fantastic

The Aviator - fantastic

Shutter Island - fantastic

Gangs of New York - fantastic

Inception - fantastic

When is this guy going to get a best actor oscar? When?

 
My guess is he never gets one. He's never jumped off the screen and certainly none of those years did he have the best performance. But he's very markable to middle America, shows up to work prepared and can carry a big budget film. He also is apparently not very popular with his peers, many of whom are Academy voters, so there is that, too.

 
Apple Jack said:
My guess is he never gets one. He's never jumped off the screen and certainly none of those years did he have the best performance. But he's very markable to middle America, shows up to work prepared and can carry a big budget film. He also is apparently not very popular with his peers, many of whom are Academy voters, so there is that, too.
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Oh I imagine he will get one sooner or later. He keeps cranking out great role after great role.....similar to Jeff Bridges whom in the later stages of his career is finally getting his due.

Leo is a damn great actor. There are a few other's of our generation (X) who I feel are exceptional. Russell Crowe & Eric Bana are also tremendously gifted actors.

 
This movie has everything that I love. Drugs, alcohol, sex, and making money at the expense of other people. Good stuff. 9/10.

 
Loved it, maybe even a sliver more than another favorite of mine, The Departed.

 
Saw it today, agree with the original poster. This movie went to excess to show the excesses of the protagonist. Probably ran long by about 30 to 45 minutes.

The movie was well made, the acting was great, it just ran long. I did look down at my watch quite often. I'd give it a C+. Margot Robbie is a stunner.

Loved The Departed, Goodfellas, Raging Bull and Taxi Driver. This doesn't measure up to his best work.

 
Smack Tripper said:
Christo said:
Smack Tripper said:
My thoughts, mild spoilers below, I don't see a place to put spoiler tags.....

It was the best time I've had at the movies in some time, I think its the most watchable/rewatchable of Scorsese's films since Goodfellas and the comparisons are very just. Now, I knew nothing about this movie, I generally try to avoid trailers and preview material of movies I want to see, so I had no idea of the raunchy nature of this throughout. I have zero problem with this content and I'm kind of :unsure: when I think "well, this is kind of what I remember my 20s being like" growing up in NYC. Not on this level but for anyone who says its extreme, all I can tell you is, its not too far gone on a party by party basis, particularly for guys making this kind of cash (which I never did but I got to be a flunky at a bachelor party for a few of them).

Now, that said, I've never seen that depicted in movie with this depth, duration and detail before. Its usually more implied than amplified but whatever, but considering I took my high school senior nephew and 8th grade nephew on opening night, I definitely had a few :shock: moments considering they were in tow. I don't worry about the senior but my 8th grade nephew, I'm not sure how much he followed the financial stuff but he knows a nude chick when he sees one. We had to have a nice talk on the ride home to make sure the excess and fun of this movie is fine to laugh at but not to forget the message.

And then my 8th grade nephew asked me, of all that dizzying content, the first thing he said was, what did the end mean (the pen bit). And I assumed it was sort of the symbolism of Jordan being removed from his environment, the wolf has lost his pack of people that would understand how to sell the pen. But then I thought, what really was the statement or point of this whole movie. What is this movie saying, is there any overall commentary.

I feel like Goodfellas had a greater commentary on Henry Hill "winning" or having a happy ending, and the life in purgatory as a schnook in San Diego was worse than his time in Jail. But ultimately, It seemed like a message that crime doesn't pay.

I guess this movie has sort of a feeling of that, but really, its about two hours and fifteen minutes of a rocket ship thrill ride. If you're worried about the time, you're crazy, this movie absolutely snaps by. Its almost draining its such a frentic pace. But it basically plays out in a decline and comeuppance that is pretty paint by numbers and a conventional American morality play that crime doesn't pay.

I'm a big believer that filmmakers make the movie they make and you can't review a movie based on the movie YOU would have made, you have to judge on the movie that was made. That said, there wasn't much stakes explained in what was lost. The money was a thorough abstraction, and that note was captured. I've known folks with wiring, and its amazing how close in geneology the broker and the compulsive gambler are (with frequent overlap). And to the Jordan character, it wasn't about having enough money when he gets offered that deal he reneged on. Its that gene that says 20 million made is really 30 million lost because I know I could have pushed that to 50 million. There is no satiating that beast like an average person might do.

So I guess the question I leave with is, what the hell is the point of this movie? He still looks like he's living the life of a one percenter, and he may no longer be in that top 10 percent of the one percent but for the vast majority of the audience, he's still not living a relatable life. I guess that lost connection to his work family, wasn't as effectively played out as it was for me in Goodfellas.

That said, I one hundred percent recommend this movie. It really needs to be seen to be believed. and its hard to think you'll have a bad time unless youre born again or perhaps otherwise stridently religious.
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Or just not needing to be bombarded with debauchery solely for the sake of debauchery without any character development for THREE FRIGGIN' HOURS!
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The debauchery was the character development.

spoilers below.....

got dragged to it again and it holds up on a repeat viewing and its not exactly subtext but there is rampant animal imagery in the film and the debauchery serves as a metaphor for the jungle these animals inhabit.

But in a more literal sense, there is the swiss banker, seen in front of a fish tank, Leo seen in front of a body of water, neutrality and isolation from the jungle and the problem comes when he comes to America. The fish leaves for the jungle. Also lots of lion imagery when he visits Aunt Emma, which I don't quite understand but it opens on a shot of a statue of a Lion, her door knocker is a lion.
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Don't forget the subtle imagery of the lion that was walking through the hallways of the firm in the commercial.

 
Thought the movie was great, I had read both books and they stayed very true to it. DiCaprio and Hill were excellent and the Aussie broad is beyond hot.

 
Too long. It ran awkward at times, and I disliked dicaprio and hill coming in. Afterward? I loved dicaprio, he nailed the character, theme and setting, and hated hill more. I can't stand him and will never watch another movie with him in it.

 
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Saw it and thought it was great.

Would not recommend for anyone offended by a lot of nudity or the f-word about every 5 seconds.

 
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