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Petition to split CA into 6 states gets green light (1 Viewer)

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http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=22585109&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

A venture capitalist who feels colossal California is too unwieldy to govern is proposing to split it into six separate states, and Secretary of State Debra Bowen has given him the green light to start collecting petition signatures.

Tim Draper filed a ballot initiative in December stating that because of recent social and economic changes California has become "nearly ungovernable.

He proposed dividing California into six states. San Diego and Orange County would make up "South California." "West California" would include Los Angeles and Santa Barbara, while Bakersfield, Fresno and Stockton would make up the larger "Central California." San Francisco and San Jose would be in the new "Silicon Valley." "North California" would include the Sacramento area, and "Jefferson" would be home to the Redding and Eureka areas."

California as it is is ungovernable," Draper told ABC News today. "It is more and more difficult for Sacramento to keep up with the social issues from the various regions of California. With six Californias, people will be closer to their state governments, and states can get a refresh".

Brendan Nyhan, Assistant Professor of Government at Dartmouth College, isn't sold on the idea. "Splitting California into six states would raise all sorts of concerns about the partisan balance of the senate. I can't imagine this would ever go anywhere" said Nyhan.

Nyhan says a plan like this would surface many issues. Things like water policy, agricultural policy, and even the electoral college would all change if this plan were to take action.

The plan aims to settle California's financial issues after the separation of the states. If things can't be resolved, each state would receive a portion of the state's debts based on the newly created state's population.

If the federal government approves creating six new states, "all tax collections and spending by the existing State of California would end, with its assets and liabilities divided among the new states," Secretary of State Debra Bowen said in a statement on Tuesday.

That would leave decisions regarding taxes and public spending of the new states up to its elected leaders.

If California were its own separate country, it would have the eighth-largest economy in the world.

In order to make this plan a reality, Draper needs to start collecting signatures in order to qualify the petition for a ballot. He needs the signatures of 807,615 registered voters in 150 days, making his deadline July 18, 2014.

"We are going to put together a grass roots effort to get signatures," Draper said. "It looks very promising since there are already several movements to create new states here".

 
http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=22585109&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

A venture capitalist who feels colossal California is too unwieldy to govern is proposing to split it into six separate states, and Secretary of State Debra Bowen has given him the green light to start collecting petition signatures.

Tim Draper filed a ballot initiative in December stating that because of recent social and economic changes California has become "nearly ungovernable.

He proposed dividing California into six states. San Diego and Orange County would make up "South California." "West California" would include Los Angeles and Santa Barbara, while Bakersfield, Fresno and Stockton would make up the larger "Central California." San Francisco and San Jose would be in the new "Silicon Valley." "North California" would include the Sacramento area, and "Jefferson" would be home to the Redding and Eureka areas."

California as it is is ungovernable," Draper told ABC News today. "It is more and more difficult for Sacramento to keep up with the social issues from the various regions of California. With six Californias, people will be closer to their state governments, and states can get a refresh".

Brendan Nyhan, Assistant Professor of Government at Dartmouth College, isn't sold on the idea. "Splitting California into six states would raise all sorts of concerns about the partisan balance of the senate. I can't imagine this would ever go anywhere" said Nyhan.

Nyhan says a plan like this would surface many issues. Things like water policy, agricultural policy, and even the electoral college would all change if this plan were to take action.

The plan aims to settle California's financial issues after the separation of the states. If things can't be resolved, each state would receive a portion of the state's debts based on the newly created state's population.

If the federal government approves creating six new states, "all tax collections and spending by the existing State of California would end, with its assets and liabilities divided among the new states," Secretary of State Debra Bowen said in a statement on Tuesday.

That would leave decisions regarding taxes and public spending of the new states up to its elected leaders.

If California were its own separate country, it would have the eighth-largest economy in the world.

In order to make this plan a reality, Draper needs to start collecting signatures in order to qualify the petition for a ballot. He needs the signatures of 807,615 registered voters in 150 days, making his deadline July 18, 2014.

"We are going to put together a grass roots effort to get signatures," Draper said. "It looks very promising since there are already several movements to create new states here".
110 Senators would be interesting. I can't imagine R's would support this. One or two gained in exchange for eight or nine. Unlikely.

Regardless...https://www.google.com/#q=two+states%2C+pavement

 
http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=22585109&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

A venture capitalist who feels colossal California is too unwieldy to govern is proposing to split it into six separate states, and Secretary of State Debra Bowen has given him the green light to start collecting petition signatures.

Tim Draper filed a ballot initiative in December stating that because of recent social and economic changes California has become "nearly ungovernable.

He proposed dividing California into six states. San Diego and Orange County would make up "South California." "West California" would include Los Angeles and Santa Barbara, while Bakersfield, Fresno and Stockton would make up the larger "Central California." San Francisco and San Jose would be in the new "Silicon Valley." "North California" would include the Sacramento area, and "Jefferson" would be home to the Redding and Eureka areas."

California as it is is ungovernable," Draper told ABC News today. "It is more and more difficult for Sacramento to keep up with the social issues from the various regions of California. With six Californias, people will be closer to their state governments, and states can get a refresh".

Brendan Nyhan, Assistant Professor of Government at Dartmouth College, isn't sold on the idea. "Splitting California into six states would raise all sorts of concerns about the partisan balance of the senate. I can't imagine this would ever go anywhere" said Nyhan.

Nyhan says a plan like this would surface many issues. Things like water policy, agricultural policy, and even the electoral college would all change if this plan were to take action.

The plan aims to settle California's financial issues after the separation of the states. If things can't be resolved, each state would receive a portion of the state's debts based on the newly created state's population.

If the federal government approves creating six new states, "all tax collections and spending by the existing State of California would end, with its assets and liabilities divided among the new states," Secretary of State Debra Bowen said in a statement on Tuesday.

That would leave decisions regarding taxes and public spending of the new states up to its elected leaders.

If California were its own separate country, it would have the eighth-largest economy in the world.

In order to make this plan a reality, Draper needs to start collecting signatures in order to qualify the petition for a ballot. He needs the signatures of 807,615 registered voters in 150 days, making his deadline July 18, 2014.

"We are going to put together a grass roots effort to get signatures," Draper said. "It looks very promising since there are already several movements to create new states here".
110 Senators would be interesting. I can't imagine R's would support this. One or two gained in exchange for eight or nine. Unlikely.

Regardless...https://www.google.com/#q=two+states%2C+pavement
I'd put the odds of them getting 7 seats higher than them getting 2.

 
This comes up every few years. Usually it's just whiny northern California types #####ing about Los Angeles and Orange County. Shut up and send us more water, OK?

 
http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=22585109&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

A venture capitalist who feels colossal California is too unwieldy to govern is proposing to split it into six separate states, and Secretary of State Debra Bowen has given him the green light to start collecting petition signatures.

Tim Draper filed a ballot initiative in December stating that because of recent social and economic changes California has become "nearly ungovernable.

He proposed dividing California into six states. San Diego and Orange County would make up "South California." "West California" would include Los Angeles and Santa Barbara, while Bakersfield, Fresno and Stockton would make up the larger "Central California." San Francisco and San Jose would be in the new "Silicon Valley." "North California" would include the Sacramento area, and "Jefferson" would be home to the Redding and Eureka areas."

California as it is is ungovernable," Draper told ABC News today. "It is more and more difficult for Sacramento to keep up with the social issues from the various regions of California. With six Californias, people will be closer to their state governments, and states can get a refresh".

Brendan Nyhan, Assistant Professor of Government at Dartmouth College, isn't sold on the idea. "Splitting California into six states would raise all sorts of concerns about the partisan balance of the senate. I can't imagine this would ever go anywhere" said Nyhan.

Nyhan says a plan like this would surface many issues. Things like water policy, agricultural policy, and even the electoral college would all change if this plan were to take action.

The plan aims to settle California's financial issues after the separation of the states. If things can't be resolved, each state would receive a portion of the state's debts based on the newly created state's population.

If the federal government approves creating six new states, "all tax collections and spending by the existing State of California would end, with its assets and liabilities divided among the new states," Secretary of State Debra Bowen said in a statement on Tuesday.

That would leave decisions regarding taxes and public spending of the new states up to its elected leaders.

If California were its own separate country, it would have the eighth-largest economy in the world.

In order to make this plan a reality, Draper needs to start collecting signatures in order to qualify the petition for a ballot. He needs the signatures of 807,615 registered voters in 150 days, making his deadline July 18, 2014.

"We are going to put together a grass roots effort to get signatures," Draper said. "It looks very promising since there are already several movements to create new states here".
110 Senators would be interesting. I can't imagine R's would support this. One or two gained in exchange for eight or nine. Unlikely.

Regardless...https://www.google.com/#q=two+states%2C+pavement
I'd put the odds of them getting 7 seats higher than them getting 2.
Not being a jerk. How so? You think R's get more than two seats out six Californian states? I'm more skeptical. And seven? That's a real stretch.

 
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http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=22585109&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

A venture capitalist who feels colossal California is too unwieldy to govern is proposing to split it into six separate states, and Secretary of State Debra Bowen has given him the green light to start collecting petition signatures.

Tim Draper filed a ballot initiative in December stating that because of recent social and economic changes California has become "nearly ungovernable.

He proposed dividing California into six states. San Diego and Orange County would make up "South California." "West California" would include Los Angeles and Santa Barbara, while Bakersfield, Fresno and Stockton would make up the larger "Central California." San Francisco and San Jose would be in the new "Silicon Valley." "North California" would include the Sacramento area, and "Jefferson" would be home to the Redding and Eureka areas."

California as it is is ungovernable," Draper told ABC News today. "It is more and more difficult for Sacramento to keep up with the social issues from the various regions of California. With six Californias, people will be closer to their state governments, and states can get a refresh".

Brendan Nyhan, Assistant Professor of Government at Dartmouth College, isn't sold on the idea. "Splitting California into six states would raise all sorts of concerns about the partisan balance of the senate. I can't imagine this would ever go anywhere" said Nyhan.

Nyhan says a plan like this would surface many issues. Things like water policy, agricultural policy, and even the electoral college would all change if this plan were to take action.

The plan aims to settle California's financial issues after the separation of the states. If things can't be resolved, each state would receive a portion of the state's debts based on the newly created state's population.

If the federal government approves creating six new states, "all tax collections and spending by the existing State of California would end, with its assets and liabilities divided among the new states," Secretary of State Debra Bowen said in a statement on Tuesday.

That would leave decisions regarding taxes and public spending of the new states up to its elected leaders.

If California were its own separate country, it would have the eighth-largest economy in the world.

In order to make this plan a reality, Draper needs to start collecting signatures in order to qualify the petition for a ballot. He needs the signatures of 807,615 registered voters in 150 days, making his deadline July 18, 2014.

"We are going to put together a grass roots effort to get signatures," Draper said. "It looks very promising since there are already several movements to create new states here".
110 Senators would be interesting. I can't imagine R's would support this. One or two gained in exchange for eight or nine. Unlikely.

Regardless...https://www.google.com/#q=two+states%2C+pavement
I'd put the odds of them getting 7 seats higher than them getting 2.
Not being a jerk. How so? You think R's get more than two seats out six Californian states? I'm more skeptical. And seven? That's a real stretch.
Given the regions, Central and North would be pretty solid. South and Jefferson in play. Sure, they'd have zero shot in West and probably Silicon.

 
http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=22585109&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

A venture capitalist who feels colossal California is too unwieldy to govern is proposing to split it into six separate states, and Secretary of State Debra Bowen has given him the green light to start collecting petition signatures.

Tim Draper filed a ballot initiative in December stating that because of recent social and economic changes California has become "nearly ungovernable.

He proposed dividing California into six states. San Diego and Orange County would make up "South California." "West California" would include Los Angeles and Santa Barbara, while Bakersfield, Fresno and Stockton would make up the larger "Central California." San Francisco and San Jose would be in the new "Silicon Valley." "North California" would include the Sacramento area, and "Jefferson" would be home to the Redding and Eureka areas."

California as it is is ungovernable," Draper told ABC News today. "It is more and more difficult for Sacramento to keep up with the social issues from the various regions of California. With six Californias, people will be closer to their state governments, and states can get a refresh".

Brendan Nyhan, Assistant Professor of Government at Dartmouth College, isn't sold on the idea. "Splitting California into six states would raise all sorts of concerns about the partisan balance of the senate. I can't imagine this would ever go anywhere" said Nyhan.

Nyhan says a plan like this would surface many issues. Things like water policy, agricultural policy, and even the electoral college would all change if this plan were to take action.

The plan aims to settle California's financial issues after the separation of the states. If things can't be resolved, each state would receive a portion of the state's debts based on the newly created state's population.

If the federal government approves creating six new states, "all tax collections and spending by the existing State of California would end, with its assets and liabilities divided among the new states," Secretary of State Debra Bowen said in a statement on Tuesday.

That would leave decisions regarding taxes and public spending of the new states up to its elected leaders.

If California were its own separate country, it would have the eighth-largest economy in the world.

In order to make this plan a reality, Draper needs to start collecting signatures in order to qualify the petition for a ballot. He needs the signatures of 807,615 registered voters in 150 days, making his deadline July 18, 2014.

"We are going to put together a grass roots effort to get signatures," Draper said. "It looks very promising since there are already several movements to create new states here".
110 Senators would be interesting. I can't imagine R's would support this. One or two gained in exchange for eight or nine. Unlikely.

Regardless...https://www.google.com/#q=two+states%2C+pavement
I'd put the odds of them getting 7 seats higher than them getting 2.
Not being a jerk. How so? You think R's get more than two seats out six Californian states? I'm more skeptical. And seven? That's a real stretch.
Given the regions, Central and North would be pretty solid. South and Jefferson in play. Sure, they'd have zero shot in West and probably Silicon.
Okay. I live across the country. Why do I get the feeling it would be a constant 1:2 ratio?

 
Never happening.
Seriously, this. Even if Californians somehow were willing to do this (we're not), you think small states around the rest of the country would ever agree? Two senators is the only thing that gives North Dakota and Rhode Island any power.

 
http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=22585109&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

A venture capitalist who feels colossal California is too unwieldy to govern is proposing to split it into six separate states, and Secretary of State Debra Bowen has given him the green light to start collecting petition signatures.

Tim Draper filed a ballot initiative in December stating that because of recent social and economic changes California has become "nearly ungovernable.

He proposed dividing California into six states. San Diego and Orange County would make up "South California." "West California" would include Los Angeles and Santa Barbara, while Bakersfield, Fresno and Stockton would make up the larger "Central California." San Francisco and San Jose would be in the new "Silicon Valley." "North California" would include the Sacramento area, and "Jefferson" would be home to the Redding and Eureka areas."

California as it is is ungovernable," Draper told ABC News today. "It is more and more difficult for Sacramento to keep up with the social issues from the various regions of California. With six Californias, people will be closer to their state governments, and states can get a refresh".

Brendan Nyhan, Assistant Professor of Government at Dartmouth College, isn't sold on the idea. "Splitting California into six states would raise all sorts of concerns about the partisan balance of the senate. I can't imagine this would ever go anywhere" said Nyhan.

Nyhan says a plan like this would surface many issues. Things like water policy, agricultural policy, and even the electoral college would all change if this plan were to take action.

The plan aims to settle California's financial issues after the separation of the states. If things can't be resolved, each state would receive a portion of the state's debts based on the newly created state's population.

If the federal government approves creating six new states, "all tax collections and spending by the existing State of California would end, with its assets and liabilities divided among the new states," Secretary of State Debra Bowen said in a statement on Tuesday.

That would leave decisions regarding taxes and public spending of the new states up to its elected leaders.

If California were its own separate country, it would have the eighth-largest economy in the world.

In order to make this plan a reality, Draper needs to start collecting signatures in order to qualify the petition for a ballot. He needs the signatures of 807,615 registered voters in 150 days, making his deadline July 18, 2014.

"We are going to put together a grass roots effort to get signatures," Draper said. "It looks very promising since there are already several movements to create new states here".
110 Senators would be interesting. I can't imagine R's would support this. One or two gained in exchange for eight or nine. Unlikely.

Regardless...https://www.google.com/#q=two+states%2C+pavement
I'd put the odds of them getting 7 seats higher than them getting 2.
Not being a jerk. How so? You think R's get more than two seats out six Californian states? I'm more skeptical. And seven? That's a real stretch.
Given the regions, Central and North would be pretty solid. South and Jefferson in play. Sure, they'd have zero shot in West and probably Silicon.
Okay. I live across the country. Why do I get the feeling it would be a constant 1:2 ratio?
Because you under the false impression that California is wildly liberal everywhere when the reality is there are some hard core redneck conservative areas out there.

 
http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=22585109&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

A venture capitalist who feels colossal California is too unwieldy to govern is proposing to split it into six separate states, and Secretary of State Debra Bowen has given him the green light to start collecting petition signatures.

Tim Draper filed a ballot initiative in December stating that because of recent social and economic changes California has become "nearly ungovernable.

He proposed dividing California into six states. San Diego and Orange County would make up "South California." "West California" would include Los Angeles and Santa Barbara, while Bakersfield, Fresno and Stockton would make up the larger "Central California." San Francisco and San Jose would be in the new "Silicon Valley." "North California" would include the Sacramento area, and "Jefferson" would be home to the Redding and Eureka areas."

California as it is is ungovernable," Draper told ABC News today. "It is more and more difficult for Sacramento to keep up with the social issues from the various regions of California. With six Californias, people will be closer to their state governments, and states can get a refresh".

Brendan Nyhan, Assistant Professor of Government at Dartmouth College, isn't sold on the idea. "Splitting California into six states would raise all sorts of concerns about the partisan balance of the senate. I can't imagine this would ever go anywhere" said Nyhan.

Nyhan says a plan like this would surface many issues. Things like water policy, agricultural policy, and even the electoral college would all change if this plan were to take action.

The plan aims to settle California's financial issues after the separation of the states. If things can't be resolved, each state would receive a portion of the state's debts based on the newly created state's population.

If the federal government approves creating six new states, "all tax collections and spending by the existing State of California would end, with its assets and liabilities divided among the new states," Secretary of State Debra Bowen said in a statement on Tuesday.

That would leave decisions regarding taxes and public spending of the new states up to its elected leaders.

If California were its own separate country, it would have the eighth-largest economy in the world.

In order to make this plan a reality, Draper needs to start collecting signatures in order to qualify the petition for a ballot. He needs the signatures of 807,615 registered voters in 150 days, making his deadline July 18, 2014.

"We are going to put together a grass roots effort to get signatures," Draper said. "It looks very promising since there are already several movements to create new states here".
110 Senators would be interesting. I can't imagine R's would support this. One or two gained in exchange for eight or nine. Unlikely.

Regardless...https://www.google.com/#q=two+states%2C+pavement
I'd put the odds of them getting 7 seats higher than them getting 2.
Not being a jerk. How so? You think R's get more than two seats out six Californian states? I'm more skeptical. And seven? That's a real stretch.
Given the regions, Central and North would be pretty solid. South and Jefferson in play. Sure, they'd have zero shot in West and probably Silicon.
Okay. I live across the country. Why do I get the feeling it would be a constant 1:2 ratio?
Like most of the country, the urban areas of California are liberal and the rural areas are conservative. The rural areas are also poor and could never afford the debt service of their proportion of California debts, so this will never happen.

 
Never happening.
Seriously, this. Even if Californians somehow were willing to do this (we're not), you think small states around the rest of the country would ever agree? Two senators is the only thing that gives North Dakota and Rhode Island any power.
We're aware, man. Just debating the logistics of it if it were to happen. I think the Dartmouth professor that was quoted earlier in the thread pretty much summed it up.

 
http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=22585109&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

A venture capitalist who feels colossal California is too unwieldy to govern is proposing to split it into six separate states, and Secretary of State Debra Bowen has given him the green light to start collecting petition signatures.

Tim Draper filed a ballot initiative in December stating that because of recent social and economic changes California has become "nearly ungovernable.

He proposed dividing California into six states. San Diego and Orange County would make up "South California." "West California" would include Los Angeles and Santa Barbara, while Bakersfield, Fresno and Stockton would make up the larger "Central California." San Francisco and San Jose would be in the new "Silicon Valley." "North California" would include the Sacramento area, and "Jefferson" would be home to the Redding and Eureka areas."

California as it is is ungovernable," Draper told ABC News today. "It is more and more difficult for Sacramento to keep up with the social issues from the various regions of California. With six Californias, people will be closer to their state governments, and states can get a refresh".

Brendan Nyhan, Assistant Professor of Government at Dartmouth College, isn't sold on the idea. "Splitting California into six states would raise all sorts of concerns about the partisan balance of the senate. I can't imagine this would ever go anywhere" said Nyhan.

Nyhan says a plan like this would surface many issues. Things like water policy, agricultural policy, and even the electoral college would all change if this plan were to take action.

The plan aims to settle California's financial issues after the separation of the states. If things can't be resolved, each state would receive a portion of the state's debts based on the newly created state's population.

If the federal government approves creating six new states, "all tax collections and spending by the existing State of California would end, with its assets and liabilities divided among the new states," Secretary of State Debra Bowen said in a statement on Tuesday.

That would leave decisions regarding taxes and public spending of the new states up to its elected leaders.

If California were its own separate country, it would have the eighth-largest economy in the world.

In order to make this plan a reality, Draper needs to start collecting signatures in order to qualify the petition for a ballot. He needs the signatures of 807,615 registered voters in 150 days, making his deadline July 18, 2014.

"We are going to put together a grass roots effort to get signatures," Draper said. "It looks very promising since there are already several movements to create new states here".
110 Senators would be interesting. I can't imagine R's would support this. One or two gained in exchange for eight or nine. Unlikely.

Regardless...https://www.google.com/#q=two+states%2C+pavement
I'd put the odds of them getting 7 seats higher than them getting 2.
Not being a jerk. How so? You think R's get more than two seats out six Californian states? I'm more skeptical. And seven? That's a real stretch.
Given the regions, Central and North would be pretty solid. South and Jefferson in play. Sure, they'd have zero shot in West and probably Silicon.
Okay. I live across the country. Why do I get the feeling it would be a constant 1:2 ratio?
Because you under the false impression that California is wildly liberal everywhere when the reality is there are some hard core redneck conservative areas out there.
Must they be rednecks in order to be conservative?

My neck is pasty.

 
http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=22585109&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

A venture capitalist who feels colossal California is too unwieldy to govern is proposing to split it into six separate states, and Secretary of State Debra Bowen has given him the green light to start collecting petition signatures.

Tim Draper filed a ballot initiative in December stating that because of recent social and economic changes California has become "nearly ungovernable.

He proposed dividing California into six states. San Diego and Orange County would make up "South California." "West California" would include Los Angeles and Santa Barbara, while Bakersfield, Fresno and Stockton would make up the larger "Central California." San Francisco and San Jose would be in the new "Silicon Valley." "North California" would include the Sacramento area, and "Jefferson" would be home to the Redding and Eureka areas."

California as it is is ungovernable," Draper told ABC News today. "It is more and more difficult for Sacramento to keep up with the social issues from the various regions of California. With six Californias, people will be closer to their state governments, and states can get a refresh".

Brendan Nyhan, Assistant Professor of Government at Dartmouth College, isn't sold on the idea. "Splitting California into six states would raise all sorts of concerns about the partisan balance of the senate. I can't imagine this would ever go anywhere" said Nyhan.

Nyhan says a plan like this would surface many issues. Things like water policy, agricultural policy, and even the electoral college would all change if this plan were to take action.

The plan aims to settle California's financial issues after the separation of the states. If things can't be resolved, each state would receive a portion of the state's debts based on the newly created state's population.

If the federal government approves creating six new states, "all tax collections and spending by the existing State of California would end, with its assets and liabilities divided among the new states," Secretary of State Debra Bowen said in a statement on Tuesday.

That would leave decisions regarding taxes and public spending of the new states up to its elected leaders.

If California were its own separate country, it would have the eighth-largest economy in the world.

In order to make this plan a reality, Draper needs to start collecting signatures in order to qualify the petition for a ballot. He needs the signatures of 807,615 registered voters in 150 days, making his deadline July 18, 2014.

"We are going to put together a grass roots effort to get signatures," Draper said. "It looks very promising since there are already several movements to create new states here".
110 Senators would be interesting. I can't imagine R's would support this. One or two gained in exchange for eight or nine. Unlikely.

Regardless...https://www.google.com/#q=two+states%2C+pavement
I'd put the odds of them getting 7 seats higher than them getting 2.
Not being a jerk. How so? You think R's get more than two seats out six Californian states? I'm more skeptical. And seven? That's a real stretch.
Given the regions, Central and North would be pretty solid. South and Jefferson in play. Sure, they'd have zero shot in West and probably Silicon.
Okay. I live across the country. Why do I get the feeling it would be a constant 1:2 ratio?
Because you under the false impression that California is wildly liberal everywhere when the reality is there are some hard core redneck conservative areas out there.
Must they be rednecks in order to be conservative?

My neck is pasty.
No some are pasty. But the rednecks are there as well.

 
If only there was a way to separate out the public unions and put them into one state by themselves. Then they'd have to finance their own plush retirements.

 
In other words, an entity that can't legally file for bankruptcy is bankrupt, so lets go through the process of banruptcy while speaking like it's something else.

 
Can we just saw off California and watch it float away into the pacific.....
I don't know how people can live there, knowing the Big One is pretty much a certainty.
Spend a week in Manhattan Beach or Ocean Beach and get back to me.
I've been out there a few times, it's easily one of the most amazing places on earth if we're just talking physical geography. San Francisco/east bay, Mount Diablo and SD/La Jolla recently and Mt. Shasta when I was a kid. Breathtaking. If you live there when the huge quake hits, you probably want to be one of the dead because what's left behind is going to be a post-apocalyptic dystopia unlike anything the world has ever seen.

Happy Friday everyone! :thumbup:

 
Wouldn't Jefferson be one of the small states?

On an unrelated note, reading Peens is like listening to my grandmother talk when she was alive back in the sixties.

 
Oh yeah just disconnect the 5th largest economy in the world from us. Not to mention a huge source of our food. Yeah that would be ####### brilliant.

 
Can we just saw off California and watch it float away into the pacific.....
I don't know how people can live there, knowing the Big One is pretty much a certainty.
Spend a week in Manhattan Beach or Ocean Beach and get back to me.
I've been out there a few times, it's easily one of the most amazing places on earth if we're just talking physical geography. San Francisco/east bay, Mount Diablo and SD/La Jolla recently and Mt. Shasta when I was a kid. Breathtaking. If you live there when the huge quake hits, you probably want to be one of the dead because what's left behind is going to be a post-apocalyptic dystopia unlike anything the world has ever seen.

Happy Friday everyone! :thumbup:
Frankly, I was more concerned with the forest fires than the earthquakes. First earthquake did weird me out though. It was a pretty trippy experience.

 
Can we just saw off California and watch it float away into the pacific.....
Yeah, its not like Google, Facebook, TimeWarner, or Cisco add anything to the country.
How could we live without these?
You also want to lose the valley and all of the "intellectual property" that originates from there?
China has an entire copy. We're covered.
China is NOT bothering to copy all the "intellectual property" originating in the San Fernando Valley.

 
Can we just saw off California and watch it float away into the pacific.....
Yeah, its not like Google, Facebook, TimeWarner, or Cisco add anything to the country.
How could we live without these?
You also want to lose the valley and all of the "intellectual property" that originates from there?
China has an entire copy. We're covered.
China is NOT bothering to copy all the "intellectual property" originating in the San Fernando Valley.
The NSA has the rest. That'll make it harder to get to after California floats away, but they'll come around and share it when they realize they can't update their Facebook status.

 
Do they split the billions of debt equally? It would seem to me that northern California would get a screw job if that is the case. Of course that is just a guess.

 
The real answer is debt. Not that other states would have an issue with it or water rights any of the other reasons. The real problem is that none of the areas that would break off into a smaller state, which are so angry at how the state legislature is spending itself into oblivion, can actually afford to buy their way out of the problem. You can't just break off and leave all the debt with whichever piece keeps Sacramento. The new state would have to pay off a good chuck of the debt and that isn't going to happen.

 
I love California, the land, the people, everything (well much of all that anyway).

Except the government - it has got to be the worst state government in the union.

They need to redistrict or a reformer as governor so that they can get some real fiscal reform going there.

 
http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=22585109&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

A venture capitalist who feels colossal California is too unwieldy to govern is proposing to split it into six separate states, and Secretary of State Debra Bowen has given him the green light to start collecting petition signatures.

Tim Draper filed a ballot initiative in December stating that because of recent social and economic changes California has become "nearly ungovernable.

He proposed dividing California into six states. San Diego and Orange County would make up "South California." "West California" would include Los Angeles and Santa Barbara, while Bakersfield, Fresno and Stockton would make up the larger "Central California." San Francisco and San Jose would be in the new "Silicon Valley." "North California" would include the Sacramento area, and "Jefferson" would be home to the Redding and Eureka areas."

California as it is is ungovernable," Draper told ABC News today. "It is more and more difficult for Sacramento to keep up with the social issues from the various regions of California. With six Californias, people will be closer to their state governments, and states can get a refresh".

Brendan Nyhan, Assistant Professor of Government at Dartmouth College, isn't sold on the idea. "Splitting California into six states would raise all sorts of concerns about the partisan balance of the senate. I can't imagine this would ever go anywhere" said Nyhan.

Nyhan says a plan like this would surface many issues. Things like water policy, agricultural policy, and even the electoral college would all change if this plan were to take action.

The plan aims to settle California's financial issues after the separation of the states. If things can't be resolved, each state would receive a portion of the state's debts based on the newly created state's population.

If the federal government approves creating six new states, "all tax collections and spending by the existing State of California would end, with its assets and liabilities divided among the new states," Secretary of State Debra Bowen said in a statement on Tuesday.

That would leave decisions regarding taxes and public spending of the new states up to its elected leaders.

If California were its own separate country, it would have the eighth-largest economy in the world.

In order to make this plan a reality, Draper needs to start collecting signatures in order to qualify the petition for a ballot. He needs the signatures of 807,615 registered voters in 150 days, making his deadline July 18, 2014.

"We are going to put together a grass roots effort to get signatures," Draper said. "It looks very promising since there are already several movements to create new states here".
110 Senators would be interesting. I can't imagine R's would support this. One or two gained in exchange for eight or nine. Unlikely.

Regardless...https://www.google.com/#q=two+states%2C+pavement
I'd put the odds of them getting 7 seats higher than them getting 2.
Not being a jerk. How so? You think R's get more than two seats out six Californian states? I'm more skeptical. And seven? That's a real stretch.
Given the regions, Central and North would be pretty solid. South and Jefferson in play. Sure, they'd have zero shot in West and probably Silicon.
Okay. I live across the country. Why do I get the feeling it would be a constant 1:2 ratio?
IMO they are a lock for 5 or 6 in North, Jefferson, and Central

 

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