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Does the guy have 10+ years in already? If so try clemencyproject2014.org
Yeah, I just found them. They look to maybe be the ticket. I am going to read up on them some more tonight and who knows, maybe try to find some time for a bit of pro bono myself. Shamefully it has been 10 years since my last pro bono work.

 
I was watching PBS a while back about various hotdog places. They featured one that would have attorney night. An attorney would come and help people with legal stuff for free out of the back of the place. Mostly minor civil stuff it seemed like but still a big help to people that were confused and had no idea what to do next. I thought that was very cool.

 
I was watching PBS a while back about various hotdog places. They featured one that would have attorney night. An attorney would come and help people with legal stuff for free out of the back of the place. Mostly minor civil stuff it seemed like but still a big help to people that were confused and had no idea what to do next. I thought that was very cool.
That is a very good idea in theory, but the issue there is that there's no way the attorney could effectively do a conflict check for each pro bono consult. That's a pretty significant ethical concern.

I do a much more organized version of this with legal aid where once every 3-4 months legal aid will do an "ask an attorney day" where applicants can get free consults with attorneys volunteering their time (usually, a consult fee is in the $200-$250 range so it's a nice perk to indigent people). What's nice about it is that applicants need to fill out a questionnaire ahead of time so I can do an adequate conflict check before meeting with the individual.

 
I was watching PBS a while back about various hotdog places. They featured one that would have attorney night. An attorney would come and help people with legal stuff for free out of the back of the place. Mostly minor civil stuff it seemed like but still a big help to people that were confused and had no idea what to do next. I thought that was very cool.
That is a very good idea in theory, but the issue there is that there's no way the attorney could effectively do a conflict check for each pro bono consult. That's a pretty significant ethical concern.

I do a much more organized version of this with legal aid where once every 3-4 months legal aid will do an "ask an attorney day" where applicants can get free consults with attorneys volunteering their time (usually, a consult fee is in the $200-$250 range so it's a nice perk to indigent people). What's nice about it is that applicants need to fill out a questionnaire ahead of time so I can do an adequate conflict check before meeting with the individual.
I think there was some kind of questionnaire filled out prior to seeing the attorney but I don't recall what information went on it.

 
I was watching PBS a while back about various hotdog places. They featured one that would have attorney night. An attorney would come and help people with legal stuff for free out of the back of the place. Mostly minor civil stuff it seemed like but still a big help to people that were confused and had no idea what to do next. I thought that was very cool.
That is a very good idea in theory, but the issue there is that there's no way the attorney could effectively do a conflict check for each pro bono consult. That's a pretty significant ethical concern.

I do a much more organized version of this with legal aid where once every 3-4 months legal aid will do an "ask an attorney day" where applicants can get free consults with attorneys volunteering their time (usually, a consult fee is in the $200-$250 range so it's a nice perk to indigent people). What's nice about it is that applicants need to fill out a questionnaire ahead of time so I can do an adequate conflict check before meeting with the individual.
I think there was some kind of questionnaire filled out prior to seeing the attorney but I don't recall what information went on it.
I'm sure there would be so the attorney would have some idea as to what sort of issues the individual wanted to discuss, but unless that attorney has his client database right there (not impossible with modern technology) and a paralegal with him there to help do the checks, it still seems ethically reckless.

 
I was watching PBS a while back about various hotdog places. They featured one that would have attorney night. An attorney would come and help people with legal stuff for free out of the back of the place. Mostly minor civil stuff it seemed like but still a big help to people that were confused and had no idea what to do next. I thought that was very cool.
That is a very good idea in theory, but the issue there is that there's no way the attorney could effectively do a conflict check for each pro bono consult. That's a pretty significant ethical concern.

I do a much more organized version of this with legal aid where once every 3-4 months legal aid will do an "ask an attorney day" where applicants can get free consults with attorneys volunteering their time (usually, a consult fee is in the $200-$250 range so it's a nice perk to indigent people). What's nice about it is that applicants need to fill out a questionnaire ahead of time so I can do an adequate conflict check before meeting with the individual.
I think there was some kind of questionnaire filled out prior to seeing the attorney but I don't recall what information went on it.
I'm sure there would be so the attorney would have some idea as to what sort of issues the individual wanted to discuss, but unless that attorney has his client database right there (not impossible with modern technology) and a paralegal with him there to help do the checks, it still seems ethically reckless.
Found the place. It's called Law Dogs. Or perhaps was. I have no idea if it is still around. The special was an older rerun on PBS. But I know they stayed in business several years and the lawyer was a guy who did real estate law.

 
Some people consider going to law school even if they're not sure they want to practice law. "You can do so much with a law degree besides practice law." Yeah, but you can also do so much without a law degree besides practice law. In fact, a law degree may not be a bonus; it may be a hindrance.

From the Paul Campos book (as quoted by Bryan Caplan):

When tracking employment outcomes for law graduates, the ABA maintains a category of so-called "JD advantage" jobs - positions that don't require a law degree, but which are categorized by the graduates who obtain them or by the law schools who report the data as jobs where the graduate's JD played a role in obtaining it. (In 2012, 9% of new law graduates were categorized as employed in such jobs nine months after graduation - with how much accuracy it's difficult to say).

But there's a flip side to claims, whether accurate or not, that a JD helped someone get a non-legal job: jobs that people aren't able to get precisely because they have a law degree.

There's a great deal of evidence that suggests this category is actually quite a bit larger than the JD advantage category - that, in other words, on balance having a JD does more harm than good to the law school graduate who, by choice or necessity, is trying to get a job outside the legal profession. Rather than being a versatile degree, many graduates discover that a JD can be a toxic asset - one which they end up having to purge from their resume in order to move on with their careers once they've given up on entering and staying inside the legal profession.

... Four factors help transform law degrees into toxic assets for law school graduates who try to obtain work outside the legal profession:

(1) Non-legal employers assume that an applicant with a law degree is just marking time until he or she leaves for one of the many high-paying legal jobs that non-lawyers mistakenly believe most people with law degrees hold...

(2) Non-legal employers naturally wonder why someone with a law degree doesn't want to - or worse yet can't - practice law...

(3) Non-legal employers don't like the idea of hiring someone who they imagine will have a sophisticated understanding of employment law...

(4) Non-lawyers don't like lawyers.

Time and again, in the course of studying the collapsing market for both law graduates and experienced lawyers, I have encountered people who tell some variation of the same story: after a year, or two, or longer, of trying unsuccessfully to establish or maintain a legal career, the person started looking seriously for non-legal jobs. Remarkably often, these stories have the same conclusion: not until these people removed their law degree from their resumes were they able to begin to have some success in securing any non-legal job.

 
Anybody got any good positive stories to share to help motivate me? So far today I've had a client back away from a plea offer that would save him years of his life and tell me that I must be a bad lawyer if I think his trial can't be won, another lawyer's paralegal (opposing counsel is at a conference and tasked her to "figure it out" with me) accuse me of being a liar because I informed opposing counsel when the case began that I believed my client would be open to make a reasonable initial agreement and now client won't take their unreasonable offer of settlement that has zero incentive or benefit to my client, and found out that a client who has a major plea deadline today just got beat to #### by her boyfriend and is in the hospital and the prosecutor doesn't give two ####s about it and is holding us to the deadline.

 
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Anybody got any good positive stories to share to help motivate me? So far today I've had a client back away from a plea offer that would save him years of his life and tell me that I must be a bad lawyer if I think his trial can't be won, another lawyer's paralegal (opposing counsel is at a conference and tasked her to "figure it out" with me) accuse me of being a liar because I informed opposing counsel when the case began that I believed my client would be open to make a reasonable initial agreement and now client won't take their unreasonable offer of settlement that has zero incentive or benefit to my client, and found out that a client who has a major plea deadline today just got beat to #### by her boyfriend and is in the hospital and the prosecutor doesn't give two ####s about it and is holding us to the deadline.
Divorce case. I represent the wife. Husband runs a bar. After months (nearly a year) finally got the documents last week that prove the bar is worth almost twice what he's been claiming it's worth. Instead of her having to walk away with nothing but (under valued) child support. She's now getting a nice pay-off to give up her 50% interest in the bar.

 
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Anybody got any good positive stories to share to help motivate me? So far today I've had a client back away from a plea offer that would save him years of his life and tell me that I must be a bad lawyer if I think his trial can't be won, another lawyer's paralegal (opposing counsel is at a conference and tasked her to "figure it out" with me) accuse me of being a liar because I informed opposing counsel when the case began that I believed my client would be open to make a reasonable initial agreement and now client won't take their unreasonable offer of settlement that has zero incentive or benefit to my client, and found out that a client who has a major plea deadline today just got beat to #### by her boyfriend and is in the hospital and the prosecutor doesn't give two ####s about it and is holding us to the deadline.
Yeah. There's a medical malpractice case I've been working on for four years, knowing that we were just waiting for the Exception of Prescription (basically a motion to dismiss based on statute of limitations.) We finally had the hearing on it. Just got a judgment today - Exception denied based on a continuing tort.

Plaintiff was a 7-year old little girl at the time of the malpractice, and the family didn't find out until 3 years later that the doctor never even looked at the report from the tests he had run, just told the family the kid was fine. Rather than fine, she ended up having cancer. Because the family thought she was fine for 3 years, it metastasized and she's had multiple surgeries and rounds of chemo for years now. Treatment would have had about a 95% chance of completely wiping it out when she was 7.

And because the doctor hinged his defense on prescription, he's basically admitted to every single thing we need him to admit.

 
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Anybody got any good positive stories to share to help motivate me? So far today I've had a client back away from a plea offer that would save him years of his life and tell me that I must be a bad lawyer if I think his trial can't be won, another lawyer's paralegal (opposing counsel is at a conference and tasked her to "figure it out" with me) accuse me of being a liar because I informed opposing counsel when the case began that I believed my client would be open to make a reasonable initial agreement and now client won't take their unreasonable offer of settlement that has zero incentive or benefit to my client, and found out that a client who has a major plea deadline today just got beat to #### by her boyfriend and is in the hospital and the prosecutor doesn't give two ####s about it and is holding us to the deadline.
Yeah. There's a medical malpractice case I've been working on for four years, knowing that we were just waiting for the Exception of Prescription (basically a motion to dismiss based on statute of limitations.) We finally had the hearing on it. Just got a judgment today - Exception denied based on a continuing tort.

Plaintiff was a 7-year old little girl at the time of the malpractice, and the family didn't find out until 3 years later that the doctor never even looked at the report from the tests he had run, just told the family the kid was fine. Rather than fine, she ended up having cancer. Because the family thought she was fine for 3 years, it metastasized and she's had multiple surgeries and rounds of chemo for years now. Treatment would have had about a 95% chance of completely wiping it out when she was 7.

And because the doctor hinged his defense on prescription, he's basically admitted to every single thing we need him to admit.
How does this work? A motion to dismiss in Illinois (and federal court, IIRC) based upon statute of limitations does not go to the merits. It's just a legal defense. If you lose you still get to answer and then argue the facts on summary judgment or at trial.

 
Anybody got any good positive stories to share to help motivate me? So far today I've had a client back away from a plea offer that would save him years of his life and tell me that I must be a bad lawyer if I think his trial can't be won, another lawyer's paralegal (opposing counsel is at a conference and tasked her to "figure it out" with me) accuse me of being a liar because I informed opposing counsel when the case began that I believed my client would be open to make a reasonable initial agreement and now client won't take their unreasonable offer of settlement that has zero incentive or benefit to my client, and found out that a client who has a major plea deadline today just got beat to #### by her boyfriend and is in the hospital and the prosecutor doesn't give two ####s about it and is holding us to the deadline.
Yeah. There's a medical malpractice case I've been working on for four years, knowing that we were just waiting for the Exception of Prescription (basically a motion to dismiss based on statute of limitations.) We finally had the hearing on it. Just got a judgment today - Exception denied based on a continuing tort.

Plaintiff was a 7-year old little girl at the time of the malpractice, and the family didn't find out until 3 years later that the doctor never even looked at the report from the tests he had run, just told the family the kid was fine. Rather than fine, she ended up having cancer. Because the family thought she was fine for 3 years, it metastasized and she's had multiple surgeries and rounds of chemo for years now. Treatment would have had about a 95% chance of completely wiping it out when she was 7.

And because the doctor hinged his defense on prescription, he's basically admitted to every single thing we need him to admit.
How does this work? A motion to dismiss in Illinois (and federal court, IIRC) based upon statute of limitations does not go to the merits. It's just a legal defense. If you lose you still get to answer and then argue the facts on summary judgment or at trial.
An exception of prescription weighs certain evidence to decide whether we've got sufficient evidence to prove that the facially prescribed matter is actually not prescribed - so we took his deposition first. They based their defense on prescription, so he said "oh, yeah, I didn't even look at the report when it came in on X date." They argued that date was the date of malpractice. We said it was malpractice every single day he didn't look at it while he was the treating physician.

 
We have a report from a radiologist that basically says "start treatment immediately, this little girl has cancer" and the doctor failed to ever read it at a hospital where he's the sole resident in his field. We didn't need him to admit much.

 
Anybody got any good positive stories to share to help motivate me? So far today I've had a client back away from a plea offer that would save him years of his life and tell me that I must be a bad lawyer if I think his trial can't be won, another lawyer's paralegal (opposing counsel is at a conference and tasked her to "figure it out" with me) accuse me of being a liar because I informed opposing counsel when the case began that I believed my client would be open to make a reasonable initial agreement and now client won't take their unreasonable offer of settlement that has zero incentive or benefit to my client, and found out that a client who has a major plea deadline today just got beat to #### by her boyfriend and is in the hospital and the prosecutor doesn't give two ####s about it and is holding us to the deadline.
Yeah. There's a medical malpractice case I've been working on for four years, knowing that we were just waiting for the Exception of Prescription (basically a motion to dismiss based on statute of limitations.) We finally had the hearing on it. Just got a judgment today - Exception denied based on a continuing tort.

Plaintiff was a 7-year old little girl at the time of the malpractice, and the family didn't find out until 3 years later that the doctor never even looked at the report from the tests he had run, just told the family the kid was fine. Rather than fine, she ended up having cancer. Because the family thought she was fine for 3 years, it metastasized and she's had multiple surgeries and rounds of chemo for years now. Treatment would have had about a 95% chance of completely wiping it out when she was 7.

And because the doctor hinged his defense on prescription, he's basically admitted to every single thing we need him to admit.
How does this work? A motion to dismiss in Illinois (and federal court, IIRC) based upon statute of limitations does not go to the merits. It's just a legal defense. If you lose you still get to answer and then argue the facts on summary judgment or at trial.
An exception of prescription weighs certain evidence to decide whether we've got sufficient evidence to prove that the facially prescribed matter is actually not prescribed - so we took his deposition first. They based their defense on prescription, so he said "oh, yeah, I didn't even look at the report when it came in on X date." They argued that date was the date of malpractice. We said it was malpractice every single day he didn't look at it while he was the treating physician.
So that's more like a hybrid motion rather than straight statute of limitations argument. In Illinois for a statute of limitations motion the court treats the factual allegations as true but the defendant doesn't actually admit them.

 
Anybody got any good positive stories to share to help motivate me? So far today I've had a client back away from a plea offer that would save him years of his life and tell me that I must be a bad lawyer if I think his trial can't be won, another lawyer's paralegal (opposing counsel is at a conference and tasked her to "figure it out" with me) accuse me of being a liar because I informed opposing counsel when the case began that I believed my client would be open to make a reasonable initial agreement and now client won't take their unreasonable offer of settlement that has zero incentive or benefit to my client, and found out that a client who has a major plea deadline today just got beat to #### by her boyfriend and is in the hospital and the prosecutor doesn't give two ####s about it and is holding us to the deadline.
Yeah. There's a medical malpractice case I've been working on for four years, knowing that we were just waiting for the Exception of Prescription (basically a motion to dismiss based on statute of limitations.) We finally had the hearing on it. Just got a judgment today - Exception denied based on a continuing tort.

Plaintiff was a 7-year old little girl at the time of the malpractice, and the family didn't find out until 3 years later that the doctor never even looked at the report from the tests he had run, just told the family the kid was fine. Rather than fine, she ended up having cancer. Because the family thought she was fine for 3 years, it metastasized and she's had multiple surgeries and rounds of chemo for years now. Treatment would have had about a 95% chance of completely wiping it out when she was 7.

And because the doctor hinged his defense on prescription, he's basically admitted to every single thing we need him to admit.
How does this work? A motion to dismiss in Illinois (and federal court, IIRC) based upon statute of limitations does not go to the merits. It's just a legal defense. If you lose you still get to answer and then argue the facts on summary judgment or at trial.
An exception of prescription weighs certain evidence to decide whether we've got sufficient evidence to prove that the facially prescribed matter is actually not prescribed - so we took his deposition first. They based their defense on prescription, so he said "oh, yeah, I didn't even look at the report when it came in on X date." They argued that date was the date of malpractice. We said it was malpractice every single day he didn't look at it while he was the treating physician.
So that's more like a hybrid motion rather than straight statute of limitations argument. In Illinois for a statute of limitations motion the court treats the factual allegations as true but the defendant doesn't actually admit them.
Yeah - it's a peremptory exception, so the court considers the properly pled allegations as true, but where the allegations have prescribed on their face, the plaintiff may present evidence in the underlying contra non valentem argument. It's a weird system.

 
Most fun and interesting Louisiana legal concept - contra non valentem agere nulla currit praescriptio, where prescription doesn't run:

(1) Where there was some legal cause which prevented the courts or their officers from taking cognizance of or acting on the plaintiff's action

(2) Where there was some condition coupled with the contract or connected with the proceedings which prevented the creditor from suing or acting;

(3) Where the debtor himself has done some act effectually to prevent the creditor from availing himself of his cause of action; and

(4) Where the cause of action is not known or reasonably knowable by the plaintiff, even though his ignorance is not induced by the defendant.

[SIZE=12pt]Now, on med mal, only 3. applies after three years, because it's a modified prescriptive period once thought to be peremptive. And peremptive doesn't allow for any exceptions.[/SIZE]

 
Those are really nice, positive stories. But now I just feel dumb for having zero idea or understanding of what Henry is talking about.

 
Woz

Started yesterday with a daughter crying in my office as she was signing the documents to sell her dad's house for his estate. Broke down sobbing. Family home, she grew up there. Calmed her down. Got through it. AFter I was done with that I had a home appointment with a family where the dad - mid 60's - had ALS. Two kids. several grandkids. He is going to die soon. He knows it. They all know it. He can't communicate except with a computer type screen that he can only use one hand to type on. They needed a few planning documents done and I did them for them at the house because they can't travel with him. Brain still there. Body dying one of the most painful awful deaths any person can suffer.

He was beaming the entire time I was there. Kept typing/saying, thank you to me as we were going through everything. When we were done he typed to his wife, "now you will be ok." I almost broke down. Finished up a few things with the wife and then I walked over to him and shook his hand as best he could with me. Still beaming. I realized as I was shaking his hand that he had a USMC tattoo. Guy was a marine. Tough as nails I find out. And his body was killing itself. I put my hand on his tattoo and thanked him. Beamed even more. He typed - thank you for helping me.

This guy. Dying and he knows it. Thanking me. Served our country and he's thanking me. For pushing some paper and going to their house. Wife was beside herself with thanks. I broke down in my car as I was leaving.

You're having a bad day. We all have them. But we have good days too when we help people - really help them. I had that day yesterday. It's gotten me through some stress today and it's going to get me through a lot more days int he future. Think about your good days. Do your job. Do it well. And go home to your wife. That's all you can do.

 
Of course, the medical review panel will obviously return a determination of "no malpractice." But still, I try to be optimistic going into these things.

 
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Of course, the medical review panel will obviously return a determination of "no malpractice." But still, I try to be optimistic going into these things.
My uncle actually got one doctor to testify against another in open court over botching hand surgery on my uncle. The doctor who testified was the Dolphins team doctor for years but I digress. My uncle won the case and used the money to become an airline pilot back when that was a great job.

 
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On a different note. Any of you following the Brady thing? What do you think of his chances in court? Personally I think he beats it completely.

And that may just end Goddell. Owners are already allegedly talking about taking discipline power from him and they are mad it has dragged out this long and cost so much.

 
So, what's the law say about using publicly available government data? Can reporting tools be made with no issues as long as the source is cited?

 
I don't think Brady will win. "Industrial" due process is a pretty low bar, and he appeared to get it. He got notice. He got a chance to heard. He got a written decision.

No judge is going to get into the weeds of an arbitrator's decision.

 
Anyone in here real estate lawyers? Can one sue for lost revenue for not being able to sell a condo due to another owner suing the HOA? Small rental condo that has always been seasonal. Other owner suing to winterize building. Condo docs used to say "shall" be closed jan and feb , but have always been shut from November to April due to harsh winters (maine). Owners lawyer found an amendment from 30 yrs ago that changed that wording to "may" be open year round. Most don't want to pay to winterize because it's always been that way and will be too expensive to do. It's also pretty much a seasonal community and a ghost town during the winter.

 
I'm not a real estate lawyer, but I doubt you'd be able to overcome the (expanded) Noerr-Pennington doctrine. Whether you think the guy's claim is wrong or not, it doesn't appear to be objectively baseless. It's at least colorable. In those situations, he has a 1st Amendment right to petition through the court system and an action (for what, tortious interference, I guess?) generally won't lie.

 
I don't think Brady will win. "Industrial" due process is a pretty low bar, and he appeared to get it. He got notice. He got a chance to heard. He got a written decision.

No judge is going to get into the weeds of an arbitrator's decision.
I usually enjoy Michael McCann's takes on sports law, but i think he's such a Pats homer that it's affecting his analysis.

 
I don't think Brady will win. "Industrial" due process is a pretty low bar, and he appeared to get it. He got notice. He got a chance to heard. He got a written decision.

No judge is going to get into the weeds of an arbitrator's decision.
I usually enjoy Michael McCann's takes on sports law, but i think he's such a Pats homer that it's affecting his analysis.
Seems to me the NFL has lost more than won lately. Overturned on Rice. Overturned on Peterson. Made Hardy a good deal to avoid a total loss there. And this lawyer has beaten them in court more than once.

 
I don't think Brady will win. "Industrial" due process is a pretty low bar, and he appeared to get it. He got notice. He got a chance to heard. He got a written decision.

No judge is going to get into the weeds of an arbitrator's decision.
I usually enjoy Michael McCann's takes on sports law, but i think he's such a Pats homer that it's affecting his analysis.
Seems to me the NFL has lost more than won lately. Overturned on Rice. Overturned on Peterson. Made Hardy a good deal to avoid a total loss there. And this lawyer has beaten them in court more than once.
Different posture. The NFL didn't have a codified personal conduct policy that was part of the CBA. The procedure for competition-related discipline is pretty clear in the CBA.

The NFLPA has one decent argument, IMO, which is that rules about ball inflation/deflation don't mention players. But I don't think the NFL needs to exahaustively list every possible competition-related violation to fall under the Commissioner's disciplinary powers.

More relevantly, there is a provision that players must fully cooperate with investigations. Brady didn't. That was true before we ever learned that he destroyed his phone. It was true as soon as Yee declined to produce any text messages. The case certainly hasn't started auspiciously for the NFLPA with the D. Minn judge dismissing their action sua sponte without a transfer/dismissal motion even being filed.

 
I don't think Brady will win. "Industrial" due process is a pretty low bar, and he appeared to get it. He got notice. He got a chance to heard. He got a written decision.

No judge is going to get into the weeds of an arbitrator's decision.
I usually enjoy Michael McCann's takes on sports law, but i think he's such a Pats homer that it's affecting his analysis.
There are takes that I just don't get. Milstein, who is getting lots of mileage out of representing Maurice Clarett (dude, you lost) keeps suggesting that Goodell had to be inherently biased. And I just don't see it.

 
Woz

Started yesterday with a daughter crying in my office as she was signing the documents to sell her dad's house for his estate. Broke down sobbing. Family home, she grew up there. Calmed her down. Got through it. AFter I was done with that I had a home appointment with a family where the dad - mid 60's - had ALS. Two kids. several grandkids. He is going to die soon. He knows it. They all know it. He can't communicate except with a computer type screen that he can only use one hand to type on. They needed a few planning documents done and I did them for them at the house because they can't travel with him. Brain still there. Body dying one of the most painful awful deaths any person can suffer.

He was beaming the entire time I was there. Kept typing/saying, thank you to me as we were going through everything. When we were done he typed to his wife, "now you will be ok." I almost broke down. Finished up a few things with the wife and then I walked over to him and shook his hand as best he could with me. Still beaming. I realized as I was shaking his hand that he had a USMC tattoo. Guy was a marine. Tough as nails I find out. And his body was killing itself. I put my hand on his tattoo and thanked him. Beamed even more. He typed - thank you for helping me.

This guy. Dying and he knows it. Thanking me. Served our country and he's thanking me. For pushing some paper and going to their house. Wife was beside herself with thanks. I broke down in my car as I was leaving.

You're having a bad day. We all have them. But we have good days too when we help people - really help them. I had that day yesterday. It's gotten me through some stress today and it's going to get me through a lot more days int he future. Think about your good days. Do your job. Do it well. And go home to your wife. That's all you can do.
Not a lawyer, but thanks for putting things in perspective for us all

 
Henry if its Latin I don't think it's really Louisiana, ie it's not French/Spanish civil law, it's just old common law we've hung onto.
yes, please educate him on the law of his home state.
:rolleyes: Just talkin' to the guy, fish. Typically latin maxims like that were imported by the Americans. I'm not saying it's not law here, just talking history.

Eta - looked some stuff up, I'm pretty sure I stand corrected:

http://www.academia.edu/14204680/Contra_Non_Valentem_in_France_and_Louisiana_Revealing_the_Parenthood_Breaking_a_Myth_71_Louisiana_Law_Review_504-540_2011_

http://digitalcommons.law.lsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5616&context=lalrev

 
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I don't think Brady will win. "Industrial" due process is a pretty low bar, and he appeared to get it. He got notice. He got a chance to heard. He got a written decision.

No judge is going to get into the weeds of an arbitrator's decision.
I usually enjoy Michael McCann's takes on sports law, but i think he's such a Pats homer that it's affecting his analysis.
Seems to me the NFL has lost more than won lately. Overturned on Rice. Overturned on Peterson. Made Hardy a good deal to avoid a total loss there. And this lawyer has beaten them in court more than once.
Different posture. The NFL didn't have a codified personal conduct policy that was part of the CBA. The procedure for competition-related discipline is pretty clear in the CBA.

The NFLPA has one decent argument, IMO, which is that rules about ball inflation/deflation don't mention players. But I don't think the NFL needs to exahaustively list every possible competition-related violation to fall under the Commissioner's disciplinary powers.

More relevantly, there is a provision that players must fully cooperate with investigations. Brady didn't. That was true before we ever learned that he destroyed his phone. It was true as soon as Yee declined to produce any text messages. The case certainly hasn't started auspiciously for the NFLPA with the D. Minn judge dismissing their action sua sponte without a transfer/dismissal motion even being filed.
Well there are more than a couple factual issues with the investigation. For instance those pesky gauges and no one knows which was used. If you used one of them you got a lot of underinflated ballsHowever if you use the other you got 1 underinflated ball. Guess which one the NFL decided was used with no way to prove it?

 
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I don't think Brady will win. "Industrial" due process is a pretty low bar, and he appeared to get it. He got notice. He got a chance to heard. He got a written decision.

No judge is going to get into the weeds of an arbitrator's decision.
I usually enjoy Michael McCann's takes on sports law, but i think he's such a Pats homer that it's affecting his analysis.
Seems to me the NFL has lost more than won lately. Overturned on Rice. Overturned on Peterson. Made Hardy a good deal to avoid a total loss there. And this lawyer has beaten them in court more than once.
Different posture. The NFL didn't have a codified personal conduct policy that was part of the CBA. The procedure for competition-related discipline is pretty clear in the CBA.

The NFLPA has one decent argument, IMO, which is that rules about ball inflation/deflation don't mention players. But I don't think the NFL needs to exahaustively list every possible competition-related violation to fall under the Commissioner's disciplinary powers.

More relevantly, there is a provision that players must fully cooperate with investigations. Brady didn't. That was true before we ever learned that he destroyed his phone. It was true as soon as Yee declined to produce any text messages. The case certainly hasn't started auspiciously for the NFLPA with the D. Minn judge dismissing their action sua sponte without a transfer/dismissal motion even being filed.
Well there are more than a couple factual issues with the investigation. For instance those pesky gauges and no one knows which was used. If you used one of them you got a lot of underinflated ballsHowever if you use the other you got 1 underinflated ball. Guess which one the NFL decided was used with no way to prove it?
The District Court has no authority to review fact findings like that.

 
Henry if its Latin I don't think it's really Louisiana, ie it's not French/Spanish civil law, it's just old common law we've hung onto.
You don't think the Civil Law and Latin have anything to do with each other?Look up the Codex Justinianus.
Btw of course I do, I meant Louisiana civil law. (Also, I agreed/liked your post not countering here, just making a comment, TIA).

 
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NCCommish said:
Anyone deal with immigration law? I have a hypothetical to run by you if we have someone.
I don't but I know people
Close enough. Let's say American citizen married a Ukranian national and brought them here. Let's say they have been married for a little over 3 years but the Ukranian hasn't gotten or even started the process to be a US citizen. She does have resident alien status. If they divorced could she stay or would she have to go back to Ukraine? In other words has she been here long enough to divorce and stay?

 
NCCommish said:
Anyone deal with immigration law? I have a hypothetical to run by you if we have someone.
I don't but I know people
Close enough. Let's say American citizen married a Ukranian national and brought them here. Let's say they have been married for a little over 3 years but the Ukranian hasn't gotten or even started the process to be a US citizen. She does have resident alien status. If they divorced could she stay or would she have to go back to Ukraine? In other words has she been here long enough to divorce and stay?
As I understand it, no. But I could ask. My entire knowledge of this issue comes from dating a woman that was nationalized as a russian bride. actually true.

 

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