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NHL Off-Season thread:Down goes Kane! (1 Viewer)

Billy Bats said:
Woah here's an interesting one:

NYR trades Carl Hagelin and 59th and 179th picks to ANA for Emerson Etem and 41st pick. Then NYR take Ryan Gropp with 41st pick.

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Interesting. I've always liked Etem, and he's shown some nice talent, but he really only showed it once every five games. He was given numerous chances and just never stepped up consistently.

Someone tell me more about Hagelin. Never really focused on him...

 
Workhorse said:
Dickie, the Bruins pooped all over themselves. Why trade Hamilton (and not take the best offer) only to sign McQuaid to a long term deal? Why reach of at least two of their three first rounders? And they are still in cap hell.

Dark day as a Bruins fan.
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The McQuaid deal kills me. Nice guy but he can't stay on the ice , and then there is a talent issue.
 
Tom Hagen said:
I love what the Flyers are doing but I feel like I should be slightly concerned Hextall hired his son's college coach and drafted the best prospect from his own junior team. I'm sure they just happened to be the best choices right? :tinfoilhat:
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Provorov was mocked in the 6-8 range so not like they reached on him. If anything, most fans were relieved he fell to them. Flyers may have overrated him a bit but they didn't give up any value to get him. D isn't as big of a need as winger but the wingers left were gambles and Provorov apparently jumps to the top of their defensive prospects which has to be on the deepest in the league. Flyers could be looking at their top 6 for the future with Provorov, Morin, Hagg, Sanheim, Ghost and Alt which would be a welcome change from what they have now.

Hakstol seems a bit more of a gamble. I don't know much about the junior/college game aside from the fact that the jump from college to NHL rarely happens in one step. Have to wonder how he deals with the egos and the fact they are professional players.

Now Hexy just needs to get rid of some of the dead weight on defense. Wouldn't mind seeing none of last year's opening night starters back but A-Mac will be hard to move and I doubt they give up on Schenn yet.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
Hell I worked all night and missed the draft.

Wings do any good? Svechnikov has some good write ups, not sure I've seen him play though (Russian juniors maybe?).
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Missed the draft as well.. Everything I've read seems to be positive. Most likely the same articles you've seen. Probably won't see him in a Red Wings jersey for a couple of years.

 
Dubnyk will sign just above $4 mil cap hit for 6 years. A couple years longer than I expected but right in the $4-4.5 range I figured it would be. All that $5+ talk was ridiculous

 
Getzlaf15 said:
Billy Bats said:
Woah here's an interesting one:

NYR trades Carl Hagelin and 59th and 179th picks to ANA for Emerson Etem and 41st pick. Then NYR take Ryan Gropp with 41st pick.

10:39am - 27 Jun 15
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Interesting. I've always liked Etem, and he's shown some nice talent, but he really only showed it once every five games. He was given numerous chances and just never stepped up consistently.

Someone tell me more about Hagelin. Never really focused on him...
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Obviously very fast, good worker, will go into corners and come out with the puck despite his size. Strong on the PK. Just doesn't have much in the way of playmaking skills and his shot is at best average, so he can't really be counted on in the top 6, but if you can afford to pay him as a 3rd liner it won't get much better.

 
Dickie Dunn said:
Now that I've had some time to dwell on it ...

Zboril was projected to go as high as 13 to the Kings, so the Bruins taking him there makes sense if they weren't going to move up for any of Hanifin, Provorov or Werenski. He might not be a top-pair type, but sounds like he'll be decent.

DeBrusk might have been a little bit of a reach at 14, but it sounds like he at least had first-round talent. With three picks, it doesn't necessarily hurt to go outside the box if you really like someone.

Senyshyn is the one that just doesn't make any sense. You can't tell me he wouldn't have been there with any of their (now) three second-rounders, when they could have had Connor, Barzal or even appeased some of the local furor by grabbing Colin White.

Interestingly, I read once critique ripping the B's for the three picks they got for Hamilton when the Isles got 16 and 33 for Reinhart. But driving home and listening to the NHL Network replay, they were all over Garth Snow for making that deal. So who knows what to believe right after the draft is over.

Here's hoping for something interesting Saturday. A lot of great players have come out of the second round or later (Bergeron, Lucic, Marchand just to name some by the B's), so there's quality to be had.

Don't get me wrong ... today was a step back for the Bruins franchise. Sadly, I don't think they had much of a choice given what they were up against cap-wise now and would be in the future. I only hope that Sweeney is putting them on the right course, but we won't know that for a while. Making the playoffs next season will be a challenge.

...

And for FUJB ... I think your Canes have got a stud in Hanifin. Really do.
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Senyshyn is actually very good, but if those are the players they wanted, they should have followed the Belichick model (like the Maple Leafs did) and trade down a couple times to add more picks, then draft them.

 
I like Marner, I just hope Leafs fans realize if everything breaks perfectly and he develops really well, he might one day be close to the offensive player that Phil Kessel, who everyone wants to run out of town for peanuts, is currently.

 
Northern Voice said:
I like Marner, I just hope Leafs fans realize if everything breaks perfectly and he develops really well, he might one day be close to the offensive player that Phil Kessel, who everyone wants to run out of town for peanuts, is currently.
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Hoping to get similar production for a fraction of the cost
 
RUSF18 said:
Billy Bats said:
Talbot finally traded:

@KatieStrangESPN: The New York Rangers have traded goaltender Cam Talbot and pick No. 209 to the Edmonton Oilers in exchange for picks No. 57, 79 and 184
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Slats overplayed his hand.
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Happy to see that after all the talk about getting a 1st plus for Talbot. Would have preferred to get Lack, but I doubt the asking price would have been the same from the Oilers as what they got from Carolina. Think it was an overpay for Reinhart, but with Bob Greene in the Oilers organization, I'm going to trust his judgement that they can turn Griffin around. Nice addition of Gryba to the D, but they still need some top two pairing Dmen in FA. Nurse might be ready for next season, but I'd like to see him in the AHL for one season first.

 
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Steve Tasker said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
Steve Tasker said:
Strongly considering getting Sabres seasons this year.
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I think it's a good investment.
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Turns out there's a decent-sized waiting list. I was talking about it with a coworker the other day but I don't think he's on the list so I think we're gonna get shut-out. Oh well, just go to a few single games like every year.I am back in on Bills seasons this year though....
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my advice would be to get a mini plan that includes playoffs if available. Be nice and friendly with ticket account manager. Then when seats open up, you could get a call
 
AcerFC said:
Steve Tasker said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
Steve Tasker said:
Strongly considering getting Sabres seasons this year.
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I think it's a good investment.
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Turns out there's a decent-sized waiting list. I was talking about it with a coworker the other day but I don't think he's on the list so I think we're gonna get shut-out. Oh well, just go to a few single games like every year.I am back in on Bills seasons this year though....
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my advice would be to get a mini plan that includes playoffs if available. Be nice and friendly with ticket account manager. Then when seats open up, you could get a call
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We have been "mini-pack" holders since the lockout ended in 05-06. Those playoff tickets were :moneybag: when the Sabres were good in 05-06 and 06-07. Went to ECF game 5 OT loss against Ottawa in 07 and was at QF game 1 2OT win over Philly in 06 - the Campbell-destroys-Umberger game. Have been to a few others too and sold the rest for a profit.

 
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Aaron Rudnicki said:
#### mini packs and the Sabres. Still bitter they shut us out in the '99 Cup Finals.
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I was actually out of the country for most of that series. Remember watching Game 6 with my dad in a hotel room in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico on a crappy feed. Hull scores that goal, and my dad, who still gets super super way too fired up over Buffalo sports and is prone to screaming at the television to this day, just calmly stands up and turns off the TV in silence and turns the lights off before they even reviewed it, as my mom and little brother and sister slept.

 
Northern Voice said:
Dickie Dunn said:
Now that I've had some time to dwell on it ...

Zboril was projected to go as high as 13 to the Kings, so the Bruins taking him there makes sense if they weren't going to move up for any of Hanifin, Provorov or Werenski. He might not be a top-pair type, but sounds like he'll be decent.

DeBrusk might have been a little bit of a reach at 14, but it sounds like he at least had first-round talent. With three picks, it doesn't necessarily hurt to go outside the box if you really like someone.

Senyshyn is the one that just doesn't make any sense. You can't tell me he wouldn't have been there with any of their (now) three second-rounders, when they could have had Connor, Barzal or even appeased some of the local furor by grabbing Colin White.

Interestingly, I read once critique ripping the B's for the three picks they got for Hamilton when the Isles got 16 and 33 for Reinhart. But driving home and listening to the NHL Network replay, they were all over Garth Snow for making that deal. So who knows what to believe right after the draft is over.

Here's hoping for something interesting Saturday. A lot of great players have come out of the second round or later (Bergeron, Lucic, Marchand just to name some by the B's), so there's quality to be had.

Don't get me wrong ... today was a step back for the Bruins franchise. Sadly, I don't think they had much of a choice given what they were up against cap-wise now and would be in the future. I only hope that Sweeney is putting them on the right course, but we won't know that for a while. Making the playoffs next season will be a challenge.

...

And for FUJB ... I think your Canes have got a stud in Hanifin. Really do.
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Senyshyn is actually very good, but if those are the players they wanted, they should have followed the Belichick model (like the Maple Leafs did) and trade down a couple times to add more picks, then draft them.
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I agree about trading down. I would have thought there would have been teams that would have loved to get a shot at Barzal, Connor, White, etc. who would have moved up to No. 14 or 15.

Then again, I also read somewhere that Don Maloney said Sweeney never even made an offer for the No. 3, so I have to wonder if he was just too in love with those three guys and didn't see the big picture. I would hate to think his inexperience as "the man" showed through.

On your first point, I heard from a local scout today who talked to someone up your way that said Toronto was all over Senyshyn and ended up trading down (I assume it was the No. 24 spot) once the B's took him. So maybe his stock was a lot higher than all the mock drafts, Central Scouting and other pundits believed.

I'm certainly not thrilled by the way everything went down with Hamilton and Lucic (though I do understand it), but I'm less miffed at the players they got than I was 24 hours ago. I was glad to see them snag Brandon Carlo early in the second today, as well.

 
Anthony Borbely said:
Doctor Detroit said:
Can one of the hockey nerds grade the Wings draft? I'd do the same for you with your beisbol team. :bye:
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:goodposting: I'd like whoever does the above to also give an opinion on where Dylan Larkin would have went in this draft.
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A bit higher than last year. Maybe as high as 7. He wouldn't junp ahead of the top 4 forwards, not quite as high offensive upside,and the D picks thst followed were highly sought after. I would think he'd be anywhere from 7-14 or so, with him being somewhat even with Werenski, Raantanen and Barzal as a prospect, and it coming to preference. He's also a much surer bet than Zacha who went at #6, IMO.
 
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Rud, long-time listener, first time caller.

I know it's not sexy since there's no top picks. But what did you think of the Hawks? And what about the Raanta/Haggerty?

Thanks,

I'll hang up and listen.

Go Hawks!

 
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So Chris Pronger is a league employee, is about to go into the hall of fame, and was just traded to the Coyotes. Gotta love the NHL where anything is possible.

 
Mike Richards finally placed on waivers with intent to buyout, will receive 14.67m over ten years from the Kings.

Not using the compliance buyout last year is going to sting.

Cap hits by years:

2015-16 - $1,216M

2016-17 - $1,716M

2017-18 - $2,716M

2018-20 - $4,216M

2020-25 - $1,466M

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Billy Bats said:
Mike Richards finally placed on waivers with intent to buyout, will receive 14.67m over ten years from the Kings.

Not using the compliance buyout last year is going to sting.

Cap hits by years:

2015-16 - $1,216M

2016-17 - $1,716M

2017-18 - $2,716M

2018-20 - $4,216M

2020-25 - $1,466M

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Thank God Homer doesn't have the keys anymore.

 
Word out of Boston is Hamilton was not well liked by his teammates, a loner and a bit uppity, whatever that means. It may just be the spin. Also, they offered him 5 mil a season and were rejected.

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
Franknbeans said:
Word out of Boston is Hamilton was not well liked by his teammates, a loner and a bit uppity, whatever that means. It may just be the spin. Also, they offered him 5 mil a season and were rejected.
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:lmao: same #### they pulled with Seguin.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/dougie-hamilton-was--uppity-kid--as-post-bruins-character-attacks-begin-152029311.html

horrible franchise.
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Heard the same thing about Mike Peca (loner and upppity) a few years after he left the Oilers after their '06 Cup run. He only lasted one season in Edmonton. Craig MacTavish was asked if he would have welcomed Peca back to the team for the '06-07 season. His response? "in a heartbeat"
 
30 thoughts: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-canucks-bieksa-deserves-better/

Edmonton felt it could provide a prettier cornucopia of draft picks, but for Peter Chiarelli, the price was going to be higher, since Boston’s worry of an offer sheet from him started all this. The Oilers were not going to include Darnell Nurse. Teams were upset that they didn’t know of Hamilton’s availability until it was too late, probably because the Bruins preferred to send him West.
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sounds like the Bruins were worried about an offer sheet from the Oilers...not the Flames.

5. You don’t need to look hard to find reaction to Boston’s moves.

I’m more curious about practical analysis, as in, what does this tell us about the new regime? One GM compared it to “Harry Sinden running the team again.” What he meant was Hamilton and Milan Lucic made contract asks the Bruins didn’t like, and rather than doing much negotiating, pulled the trigger.

To be fair, Don Sweeney was up against a July 1 offer sheet possibility, although not with Lucic.

The best information I can give you is it appears the team offered six years and $33M to Hamilton, while the response was about $2M per year higher.

Sometimes, we get caught up in initial proposals. Any good negotiator will tell you to exaggerate your opening position. As for Lucic, I’m not sure money was discussed. This was about term. He opened with eight years. Don’t think Boston wanted to go higher than five.
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Boston traded Lucic because he missed the urinal on several occasions, and they didn't want a messy guy in their locker room.

 
FatUncleJerryBuss said:
Hanifin not NHL ready? I know he was a good pick because of here but not big on scouting, so I have no idea.
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15. After Connor McDavid and Jack Eichel, the winner of an informal poll picking the draftee with the best chance of sticking in the NHL next season: Noah Hanifin. Boston College coach Jerry York was in attendance. Bet he would have voted for someone else.
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-canucks-bieksa-deserves-better/

Hanifin is going to be a stud. Might have to wait a year for him, but not like Carolina has much to play for now anyway.

 
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