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Josh Hill - TE - New Orleans Saints (1 Viewer)

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I'm just going to pin up Josh's name in a thread as a placeholder.

Payton has been trying to turn him into mini-Jimmy for two years now. I don't know if that's part of the Plan B (or C or D) but I'm guessing he will figure into whatever happens.

He's not Jimmy. But he may be something.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000418469/Hill-2-yard-TD-reception

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000444628/Josh-Hill-snags-second-TD

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000444589/Hill-dives-for-an-8-yard-touchdown

He's also had a couple very nice long routes that he has scored TDs on.

 
I grabbed him in one league as my TE 3 behind Cook and Rodgers. I also had Virgil Green - what an amazing 6 hours that was.

No expectations of Jimmy Graham type numbers but I also don't expect Arizona TE type numbers either.

He could be TE10-20 range. I will take that for free.

 
He's good. Tall target like Drew likes, good speed. If the Saints don't put a lot of resources into another TE, I could see him having a very relevant FF season.

 
Should be a good cheap pickup.
Nope..not saying he will be expensive but he will cost more than he should because people will connect the same dots that led to this thread.

The Saints are changing. There isn't anyone coming in that door that's going to be in the places Graham was. Hill is going to block a lot.

 
If you can get Hill cheap, there is no harm.

But I'm hesitant about expecting too much from him (if the Saints don't get a more proven replacement for Graham). Even if you assume that Hill takes over, it's hardly a slam dunk that he becomes a focal point of the passing game. As someone above mentioned, the Saints offense certainly appears to be changing, and Brees is starting to look less and less dominant. Sure Brees has historically loved his TEs, but he also had two of the very best in Graham and Gates.

 
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Rotoworld:

Josh Hill - TE - Saints

Saints coach Sean Payton gushed over rising third-year TE Josh Hill at his season-ending press conference, calling Hill "exactly what we're looking for."

The starting tight end job in New Orleans is Hill's to lose following Jimmy Graham's departure. Hill led the Saints in 2014 special teams tackles and has six touchdown catches on 30 career targets. "He's exactly what we're looking for," said Payton with a wide grin, several months before the Graham trade. "Each week you know exactly what you're gonna get. He's talented, he can run, he's young. He's consistent. Those are things that allow you to win." Payton also discussed Hill's eye-opening Pro Day measurables. If your Dynasty league has open offseason waivers, stop what you're doing and pick Hill up.

Source: Who Dat Dish

Mar 15 - 7:24 PM
 
Rotoworld:

Josh Hill - TE - Saints

ESPN Saints reporter Mike Triplett expects the team to use a committee approach to replace Jimmy Graham at tight end.

Josh Hill sits atop the depth chart as a young riser at the position, but steady veteran Ben Watson will also be a big part of the offense. Former Bengals third-rounder Orson Charles was also signed after the season. The Saints remain a prime candidate to select a tight end in next month's draft and could be a landing spot for Maxx Williams with the No. 31 overall pick they acquired from Seattle.


Source: ESPN.com
Mar 20 - 8:56 AM
 
I like Hill. I've got him where I can but I still have a gut feeling NO is going to look at Funchess as the same sort of matchup exploitation as Graham.

 
beef said:
i'd be selling hill while he has a hype pulse.
This
What exactly do you hope to get in return?
I don't think you could hope for even a mid to late 2nd round pick in a 12 team PPR at this point in return for Hill. If someone offers that, I'd take it. Anything less I would just hold onto to him and hope he emerges, although I don't particularly like his chances.

 
Rotoworld:

Coach Sean Payton said third-year TE Josh Hill is a player "we value a lot."

Speaking Wednesday, Payton talked up both Hill and veteran TE Ben Watson as players whose roles are going to expand with Jimmy Graham out of the picture. Hill's ADP is skyrocketing by the day, as he's proven to to be a touchdown-scorer in very limited opportunities during his first two seasons. He has TE1 upside, but is also a candidate to be overdrafted by the end of summer.

Source: Larry Holder on Twitter
Mar 25 - 11:09 AM
 
Josh Hill is available on our waiver wire, but during the offseason teams must use FAAB $$ to bid on free agents. Any idea how much FAAB budget you would spend on him? I was considering 5-10%

 
Josh Hill is available on our waiver wire, but during the offseason teams must use FAAB $$ to bid on free agents. Any idea how much FAAB budget you would spend on him? I was considering 5-10%
zero. why waste on a guy who has perceived value now but wont help your team?

 
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Rotoworld:

Saints coach Sean Payton emphasized his "love" for third-year TE Josh Hill on Wednesday.

"This Josh Hill is another player that I love. I love," Payton said. "When you look at his runs, jumps, height, weight, speed, you look at his measurables — and he didn’t go to the Combine, thank God." Payton went on to say he believed Hill would be perceived much differently around the league had he not been an undrafted free agent. Hill is the kind of player whose fantasy hype train could spiral out of control, but he's definitely a candidate for a major step forward in 2015.

Source: ESPN.com
Mar 26 - 1:22 PM
 
Josh Hill is available on our waiver wire, but during the offseason teams must use FAAB $$ to bid on free agents. Any idea how much FAAB budget you would spend on him? I was considering 5-10%
It really depends on how deep your rosters are, and what kind of FAs you expect rest of year.

 
Josh Hill is available on our waiver wire, but during the offseason teams must use FAAB $$ to bid on free agents. Any idea how much FAAB budget you would spend on him? I was considering 5-10%
It really depends on how deep your rosters are, and what kind of FAs you expect rest of year.
Recently finished our FA auctions in a 16tm SC TE premium league.

Hill went for 5% of our league's cap space.

 
Josh Hill is available on our waiver wire, but during the offseason teams must use FAAB $$ to bid on free agents. Any idea how much FAAB budget you would spend on him? I was considering 5-10%
It really depends on how deep your rosters are, and what kind of FAs you expect rest of year.
Very true yes.

One league I am in I wouldnt give anything. While another with huge rosters and never anything in waivers I would give maybe 25% and I dont even like him at all.

So yeah, league matters a lot here

 
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Saints coach Sean Payton emphasized his "love" for third-year TE Josh Hill on Wednesday.

"This Josh Hill is another player that I love. I love," Payton said. "When you look at his runs, jumps, height, weight, speed, you look at his measurables — and he didn’t go to the Combine, thank God." Payton went on to say he believed Hill would be perceived much differently around the league had he not been an undrafted free agent. Hill is the kind of player whose fantasy hype train could spiral out of control, but he's definitely a candidate for a major step forward in 2015.

Source: ESPN.com

Mar 26 - 1:22 PM
I have him in several leagues and several owners want to trade for him, but they don't want to pay for him. They want waiver wire value, which is not going to happen. To be honest, it probably isn't worth it to trade him for a mid to late 2nd rd rookie pick. I doubt you would draft anyone at those spots that will be more valuable than Hill. I would say his true value should be early 2nd rd rookie pick and if my team needs a potential breakout TE, I wouldn't even take that right now.

 
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Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Saints coach Sean Payton emphasized his "love" for third-year TE Josh Hill on Wednesday.

"This Josh Hill is another player that I love. I love," Payton said. "When you look at his runs, jumps, height, weight, speed, you look at his measurables — and he didn’t go to the Combine, thank God." Payton went on to say he believed Hill would be perceived much differently around the league had he not been an undrafted free agent. Hill is the kind of player whose fantasy hype train could spiral out of control, but he's definitely a candidate for a major step forward in 2015.

Source: ESPN.com

Mar 26 - 1:22 PM
I have him in several leagues and several owners want to trade for him, but they don't want to pay for him. They want waiver wire value, which is not going to happen. To be honest, it probably isn't worth it to trade him for a mid to late 2nd rd rookie pick. I doubt you would draft anyone at those spots that will be more valuable than Hill. I would say his true value should be early 2nd rd rookie pick and if my team needs a potential breakout TE, I wouldn't even take that right now.
mid 2nd for hill? the hype is already going off the rails. that and you own him so you are hoping to cash in but does not make him worth a mid 2nd.

 
the hype off a coach looking to justify moving an elite TE with coach speak is really being bought by many.
it's been a very productive offense there. any player can be valuable in it. why not a player like Hill? he's not going to get pushed by Watson really. he's got some experience under his belt now too. i don't know that his rookie draft value is mid or late R2 (or later even) but i don't think it's unreasonable to hold out for more than waiver wire value.

 
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Saints coach Sean Payton emphasized his "love" for third-year TE Josh Hill on Wednesday.

"This Josh Hill is another player that I love. I love," Payton said. "When you look at his runs, jumps, height, weight, speed, you look at his measurables — and he didn’t go to the Combine, thank God." Payton went on to say he believed Hill would be perceived much differently around the league had he not been an undrafted free agent. Hill is the kind of player whose fantasy hype train could spiral out of control, but he's definitely a candidate for a major step forward in 2015.

Source: ESPN.com

Mar 26 - 1:22 PM
I have him in several leagues and several owners want to trade for him, but they don't want to pay for him. They want waiver wire value, which is not going to happen. To be honest, it probably isn't worth it to trade him for a mid to late 2nd rd rookie pick. I doubt you would draft anyone at those spots that will be more valuable than Hill. I would say his true value should be early 2nd rd rookie pick and if my team needs a potential breakout TE, I wouldn't even take that right now.
mid 2nd for hill? the hype is already going off the rails. that and you own him so you are hoping to cash in but does not make him worth a mid 2nd.
who are you going to draft in a rookie draft at say 2.6 that is a better pick than Hill?

 
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Saints coach Sean Payton emphasized his "love" for third-year TE Josh Hill on Wednesday."This Josh Hill is another player that I love. I love," Payton said. "When you look at his runs, jumps, height, weight, speed, you look at his measurables — and he didn’t go to the Combine, thank God." Payton went on to say he believed Hill would be perceived much differently around the league had he not been an undrafted free agent. Hill is the kind of player whose fantasy hype train could spiral out of control, but he's definitely a candidate for a major step forward in 2015.Source: ESPN.com

Mar 26 - 1:22 PM
I have him in several leagues and several owners want to trade for him, but they don't want to pay for him. They want waiver wire value, which is not going to happen. To be honest, it probably isn't worth it to trade him for a mid to late 2nd rd rookie pick. I doubt you would draft anyone at those spots that will be more valuable than Hill. I would say his true value should be early 2nd rd rookie pick and if my team needs a potential breakout TE, I wouldn't even take that right now.
mid 2nd for hill? the hype is already going off the rails. that and you own him so you are hoping to cash in but does not make him worth a mid 2nd.
who are you going to draft in a rookie draft at say 2.6 that is a better pick than Hill?
Just to play Devils Advocate... Max Williams?The rookie poles are at 2.05 and he's still sitting there.

 
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Saints coach Sean Payton emphasized his "love" for third-year TE Josh Hill on Wednesday."This Josh Hill is another player that I love. I love," Payton said. "When you look at his runs, jumps, height, weight, speed, you look at his measurables — and he didn’t go to the Combine, thank God." Payton went on to say he believed Hill would be perceived much differently around the league had he not been an undrafted free agent. Hill is the kind of player whose fantasy hype train could spiral out of control, but he's definitely a candidate for a major step forward in 2015.Source: ESPN.com

Mar 26 - 1:22 PM
I have him in several leagues and several owners want to trade for him, but they don't want to pay for him. They want waiver wire value, which is not going to happen. To be honest, it probably isn't worth it to trade him for a mid to late 2nd rd rookie pick. I doubt you would draft anyone at those spots that will be more valuable than Hill. I would say his true value should be early 2nd rd rookie pick and if my team needs a potential breakout TE, I wouldn't even take that right now.
mid 2nd for hill? the hype is already going off the rails. that and you own him so you are hoping to cash in but does not make him worth a mid 2nd.
who are you going to draft in a rookie draft at say 2.6 that is a better pick than Hill?
Just to play Devils Advocate... Max Williams?The rookie poles are at 2.05 and he's still sitting there.
I'd rather have Hill. By the time Williams becomes relevant Hill may be a stud. Besides, there are some who feel Williams isn't the best TE in the draft.

 
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Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Saints coach Sean Payton emphasized his "love" for third-year TE Josh Hill on Wednesday."This Josh Hill is another player that I love. I love," Payton said. "When you look at his runs, jumps, height, weight, speed, you look at his measurables — and he didn’t go to the Combine, thank God." Payton went on to say he believed Hill would be perceived much differently around the league had he not been an undrafted free agent. Hill is the kind of player whose fantasy hype train could spiral out of control, but he's definitely a candidate for a major step forward in 2015.Source: ESPN.com

Mar 26 - 1:22 PM
I have him in several leagues and several owners want to trade for him, but they don't want to pay for him. They want waiver wire value, which is not going to happen. To be honest, it probably isn't worth it to trade him for a mid to late 2nd rd rookie pick. I doubt you would draft anyone at those spots that will be more valuable than Hill. I would say his true value should be early 2nd rd rookie pick and if my team needs a potential breakout TE, I wouldn't even take that right now.
mid 2nd for hill? the hype is already going off the rails. that and you own him so you are hoping to cash in but does not make him worth a mid 2nd.
who are you going to draft in a rookie draft at say 2.6 that is a better pick than Hill?
Just to play Devils Advocate... Max Williams?The rookie poles are at 2.05 and he's still sitting there.
I'd rather have Hill. By the time Williams becomes relevant Hill may be a stud. Besides, there are some who feel Williams isn't the best TE in the draft.
I might agree with you if this were mid-May and NO doesn't draft a TE, but before the draft? No way I pay a mid 2nd and hope NO ignores the TE position. Give me the guy who will probably be the #1 TE taken in the draft over a guy who is in a great situation 1 month before the draft happens.

 
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Saints coach Sean Payton emphasized his "love" for third-year TE Josh Hill on Wednesday."This Josh Hill is another player that I love. I love," Payton said. "When you look at his runs, jumps, height, weight, speed, you look at his measurables — and he didn’t go to the Combine, thank God." Payton went on to say he believed Hill would be perceived much differently around the league had he not been an undrafted free agent. Hill is the kind of player whose fantasy hype train could spiral out of control, but he's definitely a candidate for a major step forward in 2015.Source: ESPN.com

Mar 26 - 1:22 PM
I have him in several leagues and several owners want to trade for him, but they don't want to pay for him. They want waiver wire value, which is not going to happen. To be honest, it probably isn't worth it to trade him for a mid to late 2nd rd rookie pick. I doubt you would draft anyone at those spots that will be more valuable than Hill. I would say his true value should be early 2nd rd rookie pick and if my team needs a potential breakout TE, I wouldn't even take that right now.
mid 2nd for hill? the hype is already going off the rails. that and you own him so you are hoping to cash in but does not make him worth a mid 2nd.
who are you going to draft in a rookie draft at say 2.6 that is a better pick than Hill?
Just to play Devils Advocate... Max Williams?The rookie poles are at 2.05 and he's still sitting there.
I'd rather have Hill. By the time Williams becomes relevant Hill may be a stud. Besides, there are some who feel Williams isn't the best TE in the draft.
I might agree with you if this were mid-May and NO doesn't draft a TE, but before the draft? No way I pay a mid 2nd and hope NO ignores the TE position. Give me the guy who will probably be the #1 TE taken in the draft over a guy who is in a great situation 1 month before the draft happens.
Name the last rookie TE that made a huge impact in fantasy?

 
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Saints coach Sean Payton emphasized his "love" for third-year TE Josh Hill on Wednesday."This Josh Hill is another player that I love. I love," Payton said. "When you look at his runs, jumps, height, weight, speed, you look at his measurables — and he didn’t go to the Combine, thank God." Payton went on to say he believed Hill would be perceived much differently around the league had he not been an undrafted free agent. Hill is the kind of player whose fantasy hype train could spiral out of control, but he's definitely a candidate for a major step forward in 2015.Source: ESPN.com

Mar 26 - 1:22 PM
I have him in several leagues and several owners want to trade for him, but they don't want to pay for him. They want waiver wire value, which is not going to happen. To be honest, it probably isn't worth it to trade him for a mid to late 2nd rd rookie pick. I doubt you would draft anyone at those spots that will be more valuable than Hill. I would say his true value should be early 2nd rd rookie pick and if my team needs a potential breakout TE, I wouldn't even take that right now.
mid 2nd for hill? the hype is already going off the rails. that and you own him so you are hoping to cash in but does not make him worth a mid 2nd.
who are you going to draft in a rookie draft at say 2.6 that is a better pick than Hill?
Just to play Devils Advocate... Max Williams?The rookie poles are at 2.05 and he's still sitting there.
I'd rather have Hill. By the time Williams becomes relevant Hill may be a stud. Besides, there are some who feel Williams isn't the best TE in the draft.
I might agree with you if this were mid-May and NO doesn't draft a TE, but before the draft? No way I pay a mid 2nd and hope NO ignores the TE position. Give me the guy who will probably be the #1 TE taken in the draft over a guy who is in a great situation 1 month before the draft happens.
Name the last rookie TE that made a huge impact in fantasy?
Gronk and Jordan Reed are the only two that I can think of recently that had an impact as a rookie TE... But neither were a huge impact for 16 games.

 
Seems like the early hype for this guy is getting out of control.

He may be taking over Graham's spot, and Payton really likes him, but it's a stretch to say he'll do anything close to what Graham did. Beyond Graham's ridiculous athleticism, this Saints offense does not have the earmarks of being a top passing unit as over the last several years.

 
Picked him up in my 14 teamer. Will probably have to drop or trade either him or ASJ before the draft. Interested to see how the hype train builds.

 
ghostguy123 said:
Don Quixote said:
markdanger said:
Josh Hill is available on our waiver wire, but during the offseason teams must use FAAB $$ to bid on free agents. Any idea how much FAAB budget you would spend on him? I was considering 5-10%
It really depends on how deep your rosters are, and what kind of FAs you expect rest of year.
Very true yes.

One league I am in I wouldnt give anything. While another with huge rosters and never anything in waivers I would give maybe 25% and I dont even like him at all.

So yeah, league matters a lot here
Rosters allow for 34 players, we start 14 (see my sig for positions and my roster). I currently only have Jimmy Graham and I wanted to specifically address TE depth by adding 1-2 TEs.

 
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Saints coach Sean Payton emphasized his "love" for third-year TE Josh Hill on Wednesday."This Josh Hill is another player that I love. I love," Payton said. "When you look at his runs, jumps, height, weight, speed, you look at his measurables — and he didn’t go to the Combine, thank God." Payton went on to say he believed Hill would be perceived much differently around the league had he not been an undrafted free agent. Hill is the kind of player whose fantasy hype train could spiral out of control, but he's definitely a candidate for a major step forward in 2015.Source: ESPN.com

Mar 26 - 1:22 PM
I have him in several leagues and several owners want to trade for him, but they don't want to pay for him. They want waiver wire value, which is not going to happen. To be honest, it probably isn't worth it to trade him for a mid to late 2nd rd rookie pick. I doubt you would draft anyone at those spots that will be more valuable than Hill. I would say his true value should be early 2nd rd rookie pick and if my team needs a potential breakout TE, I wouldn't even take that right now.
mid 2nd for hill? the hype is already going off the rails. that and you own him so you are hoping to cash in but does not make him worth a mid 2nd.
who are you going to draft in a rookie draft at say 2.6 that is a better pick than Hill?
Just to play Devils Advocate... Max Williams?The rookie poles are at 2.05 and he's still sitting there.
I'd rather have Hill. By the time Williams becomes relevant Hill may be a stud. Besides, there are some who feel Williams isn't the best TE in the draft.
I might agree with you if this were mid-May and NO doesn't draft a TE, but before the draft? No way I pay a mid 2nd and hope NO ignores the TE position. Give me the guy who will probably be the #1 TE taken in the draft over a guy who is in a great situation 1 month before the draft happens.
Name the last rookie TE that made a huge impact in fantasy?
Gronk and Jordan Reed are the only two that I can think of recently that had an impact as a rookie TE... But neither were a huge impact for 16 games.
Also reading that this isn't a strong TE draft.

 
I love how some in here have written the book on this guy like he just sucks or something. He's a good fit in that offense, and has shown some stuff already. If NO takes a first round TE, then sure, his value drops, but they are not gonna do that and Hill will most probably be the starter. I wouldn't take a mid second at this point.

 
I love how some in here have written the book on this guy like he just sucks or something. He's a good fit in that offense, and has shown some stuff already. If NO takes a first round TE, then sure, his value drops, but they are not gonna do that and Hill will most probably be the starter. I wouldn't take a mid second at this point.
Unless I missed it, I don't think anyone said he sucks. Just seems like people are starting to envision Jimmy Graham 2.0.

 
I love how some in here have written the book on this guy like he just sucks or something. He's a good fit in that offense, and has shown some stuff already. If NO takes a first round TE, then sure, his value drops, but they are not gonna do that and Hill will most probably be the starter. I wouldn't take a mid second at this point.
Unless I missed it, I don't think anyone said he sucks. Just seems like people are starting to envision Jimmy Graham 2.0.
i dont think anyone said that either i just think people are hyping up a guy who is being treated as if he is the second coming.

 
I love how some in here have written the book on this guy like he just sucks or something. He's a good fit in that offense, and has shown some stuff already. If NO takes a first round TE, then sure, his value drops, but they are not gonna do that and Hill will most probably be the starter. I wouldn't take a mid second at this point.
Unless I missed it, I don't think anyone said he sucks. Just seems like people are starting to envision Jimmy Graham 2.0.
i dont think anyone said that either i just think people are hyping up a guy who is being treated as if he is the second coming.
Better than treating him like a 3rd class TE and watching others reap the rewards should he be as good as Sean Payton says he is.

 
Would anyone else consider dropping Ladarius Green for Hill in dynasty? I've been thinking about this for awhile and Hill is still sitting on the WW (PPR league, no extra TE PPR bonus, 3 TEs max per roster). Green is currently my TE3 behind Olsen and Reed.

 
Even when graham was on the field, albeit he had some shoulder woes, Hill was also on the field making some plays

 

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