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Am I the only one that thinks Forrest Gump should be on this list?
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Are you movie literate? (1 Viewer)
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Hopefully
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
I realize this is going to be an unpopular comment, but I wouldn't even think of including "Scarface." "GoodFellas" and the first two "Godfather" movies sufficiently cover the mobster genre. If another mafia movie needed to be included, I would have gone with "Miller's Crossing."
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
i accidentally deleted my post, but what post-2000 movies would fit on a list like this?
Of the top of my head I would put in:
Mulholland Drive
City of God
There will be Blood
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Spirited Away
Donnie Darko
Kill Bill
Let the Right One In
Frost/Nixon
Moon
Pan's Labyrinth
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Other ones that come to mind are Memento, Crouching Tiger, Mystic River.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
It was the peak of Pixar too, but don't know if i could pick just one.
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Smack Tripper
Footballguy
That av list shows there hasn't BEEN 100 good movies in the past ten years.
A lot of that is owed to the enhanced tv we are getting now. The talent is migrating there as the world enjoys pacific rim
A lot of that is owed to the enhanced tv we are getting now. The talent is migrating there as the world enjoys pacific rim
cstu
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
1. It is only 5 years. I think the list is 2010 +.
2. I guarantee I/we could come up with 100 good movies during that time. We do top 20 lists just about every year here.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I am not about to count them, but there are around 100. I quickly jotted a bunch down from 2010 on that i am pretty sure I gave at least a 7/10 grade to. Not as snobby as the AV clubs, but that is probably not what you are looking for, and i am sure i missed a bunch:Incendies
how to train your dragon
shutter island
black swan
the fighter
social network
i saw the devil
kick-###
tucker and dale vs.evil
blue valentine
animal kingdom
toy story 3
Beginners
winters bone
never let me go
certified copy
easy a
rabbit hole
exit through the gift shop
inside job
dogtooth
a separation
the muppets
The interrupters
drive
source code
50/50
take shelter
martha marcy may Marlene
attack the block
rango
x-men first class
margin call
tree of life
meeks cutoff
rise of planet of the apes
buck
cpt America
crazy stupid love
Intouchables
shame
tinker tailer soldier spy
the avengers
looper
the sessions
how to survive a plague
amour
the loved ones
searching for sugar man
the imposter
cabin in the woods
safety not guaranteed
the master
21 jump street
arbitrage
the raid: redemption
bully
rust and bone
sound of my voice
compliance
life of pi
12 years a slave
before midnight
short term 12
mud
her
zero dark thirty
Blackfish
dallas buyers club
Fruitvale station
philomena
the hunt
the worlds end
the conjuring
The way way back
side effects
blue caprice
prisoners
cpt. Phillips
starred up
about time
the company you keep
the lego movie
whiplash
the babadook
Nightcrawler
birdman
blue ruin
gone girl
cpt. America 2
imitation game
big hero 6
the raid 2
most wanted man
undr the skin
the one i love
Edge of tomorrow
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Cant forget Dead Snow and Dead Snow 2.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
If you like Forrest Gump, you are not movie literate
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
You can like any movie you want. To put it on a list like this is incorrect.If you like Forrest Gump, you are not movie literate
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I have seen roughly 75 percent if this just so I lead with that caveat. Of the ones I have seen I only see a few as films that will endure and be something seen as relevant/great/influential in a decade:KarmaPolice said:
Inside job
Exit through the gift shop
Searching for the sugar man
Her
21 jump street
Odd that three are docs. I think we are in a major non fiction or presumably non fiction arc of art.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
odd that 21 jump street is in there for you.
I thought you were challenging the notion that there were 100 good movies in that time, didn't know you were going for transcendent movies that will stand the test of time- obviously that shrinks the list significantly.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
So who would you rather have a discussion about movies with - a guy who has watched all 102 of these movies and thought most of them were boring as hell or someone who has only seen ten of them but understands the use of shots and angles, symbolism, sound, cultural bias, and mise en scene? I think "literacy" has a lot less to do with exposure and more to do with understanding.
Flying V
Footballguy
Maybe, but you could say that for at least 20 of the movies already on that list.You can like any movie you want. To put it on a list like this is incorrect.If you like Forrest Gump, you are not movie literate
I liked Forrest Gump.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
No way either exists in reality, but honestly i think it would be more interesting to talk to #1. It is more fun to talk to someone who has seen movies you have even if they dont agree at all with you about them. #2 sounds like some H.S. poser that read a couple books but hasnt seen any movies.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Good is a nebulous term, I'll grant you. I was framing good in the context of the original list but i could make the case as why all of those films and important and belong. It's not all because they are the "best".
Maybe it's a prism of films you "have" to see to be part of the dialogue. More is better in terms of evaluating,
I could and maybe shouid, under that construct, widen the net to:
Birdman
Under the skin
Blackfish
The Lego movie
Rise of the planet of the apes
21 jump street to me is a pretty amazing movie to me, it's a revolutionary deconstructionist take on an established genre and so effectively comments on the genre, it killed it, effectively. Not that those sorts if high school interpretations were in wide circulation now but it's a very inventive movie.
It did for teen content what the dollars trilogy did to traditional westerns, or my name is nobody did to spaghetti westerns or scream did to slasher horror
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
I can certainly understand and agree with you about not excluding someone just because he has a different viewpoint than you, but I think discounting someone's opinion because he hasn't seen a movie seems pretty elitist.
ETA - If you came across someone who could expertly dissect "Citizen Kane" or "The Maltese Falcon," shot-for-shot, you wouldn't have any interest in speaking to him if he had never seen "Jaws" or "E.T." or some foreign film that most Americans have never been exposed to?
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The Man With No Name
Footballguy
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There could be a few I've seen on the list but don't recognize the name
There could be a few I've seen on the list but don't recognize the name
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I get what you are saying. Yes it does shorten the list quite a bit. If we are talking about what in the last 5 years would be worthy of inclusion of a list like the original, I would agree on a couple of yours and my short list would probably look something like:
Birdman
Tree of Life
Her
Under the Skin
It wasn't on my list, but I am sure that Boyhood would be on a list like that. I just think he already did a similar thing with the Before movies, and those interested me a lot more than Boyhood did - probably one of the best trilogies of movies ever.
Everything that you said about 21 Jump Street, I would echo with Cabin in the Woods. For the genre, I thought that movie was brilliant, and did a great job of deconstructing the horror genre while also being a great entry.
The documentaries I have a huge problem with as far as separating them out. I think we are in a great time for docs, and I love damn near every one that I watch, but has there been one that has pushed the genre to done something different stylistically in the last few years? I think the original list should probably have room for ones like The Thin Blue Line, Hoop Dreams, and Man on Wire. Of the ones I listed from the past 5 years, I think Exit Through the Gift Shop would be the one I pick.
The next ones I think are teetering on the line of what we are talking would be stuff like: Life of Pi, Drive, Shame, and one of the foreign ones that I can't decide on.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I am not discounting, I am just choosing between 2 options that you presented. It makes a difference the context too - am I meeting this person for a movie, watching it, and discussing it afterwards? Or is this somebody who I run into at a party and start BSing with? I would rather go to a movie with #2 but meet #1 at a party.
Like I said, I find both in your hypothetical to be weird people. I mean, what type of person would hate watch 102 movies that they didn't like? You would think after about 40 or 50 they would realize they don't like the list and stop. What type of person who is into movies enough that they took the time to learn about all the things you describe, but haven't bothered actually watching films that are seemingly highly regarded for these things? Like a few have stated, a lot of these are standard film school fare. Also weird.
Just like everything else, balance is the key. I do find it odd when people who say they love movies either: 1. don't take any time to think about or learn about how they are made, setting up shots, etc... or 2. don't bother trying to watch anything before they were born or 3 can't watch anything from a different country. Yes, the original list goes a little extreme to time before talkies and isn't representative of a few genres, but I think the point he is trying to make is a valid one. I think there is a certain about of knowledge you should have and a certain variety of movies you should try to watch if you want to be well rounded or as he is trying to say, "be part of the conversation". This goes for any topic we would bring up - history, music, politics, whatever.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I guess we would also have a cool and quirky Wes Anderson movie on the list too. I am sure I have missed several highly regarded movies on my list that I just didn't like.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I agree with you on cabin but it's also 15 years removed from scream. It was more of an echo on the genre then having a connection doing it. But a fun watch.
The docu styles you may seek, perhaps roger and me, which was very influential in perhaps the worst possible way but roger and me is important for that alone along with being a good relevant film.
I would also suggest the kid stays in the picture which was the first film I saw done in that style.
I liked blackfish, inside job and exit as they changed the world in some small way in my view. Maybe less so in the case of exit but I think it did change the art world.
Sugar man in just a bit biased on because I think it's the best story I've seen in film in a long time
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Eephus
Footballguy
Errol Morris' The Fog of War belongs on that list. It tackles some of the most important issues of our age in an original and accessible manner.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Shame on me I've not seen it. Slipped between the cracks. But thank you for the inspiration I will fix that
Eephus
Footballguy
The Unknown Known is very similar in structure and is available on Netflix Instant. But McNamara is a far more self-reflective subject for a first person documentary than Rumsfeld.
brun
Footballguy
I've seen 60+ from the list. Some of the others I hadn't heard of before. I'm not sure what movie literate is, but plenty of those listed in this thread would also seem significant because of the way they were done, the subject matter etc.
A few I thought of right away:
American Graffiti
Forbidden Planet
Lost HoriIzon
Jurassic Park
Philadelphia
Big Labowski
Blazing Saddles
Sound of Music
A few I thought of right away:
American Graffiti
Forbidden Planet
Lost HoriIzon
Jurassic Park
Philadelphia
Big Labowski
Blazing Saddles
Sound of Music
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
This is just a weird argument that people are getting into. When people talk about literature, it is assumed that you will have read Flaubert, and Dostoevsky, and Melville, and D.H. Lawrence if you want to be regarded as "well read." This is true even if your own preferences run to Stephen King.
The original list was meant to encompass something like the most influential or representative films in terms of historical period, director, or genre. I don't care whether someone likes Strangers on a Train as much as me, but someone who hasn't seen most of Hitchcock's movies isn't that film literate. You don't watch a D.W. Griffith film because it holds up all that well to modern audiences. You watch it because he created the filmmaking grammar (wide shot, 2 shot, close up) that has been used for over a century.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Exactly- the list isnt and end all be all list, but the point of the list is valid. There is a difference in knowledge of someone who has seen 1000 movies but all similar genres and since the 90s vs someone who has seen 1000 from various decades, countries, and styles.
I am sure what he was getting at is there could be somebody who knows about movies, analysis, etc, and just doesn't like any old movies or someone who watches old movies but doesn't think about them at all.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Went back through and counted two: Duck Soup and Monty Python and the HG. There may be a couple of others from the early years that I don't recognize as comedies, but that is just a weak sample.
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
scanning through, there are about 12-15. Dr. Strangelove, Some like it hot, etc.. A few are toeing more of a rom/com line though.
Jayrod
Footballguy
OK. I guess I just haven't seen them and didn't recognize them as comedies. My number was 26, so there are a quite a few I haven't seen.
Nevermind, carry on.
Eephus
Footballguy
Griffith's Intolerance was on TCM Sunday night. I've watched it before when I was younger, more open minded and more patient but it was heavy sledding this time around. His technical influence on a century of film making is undeniable but man, his story telling is tedious.
Eephus
Footballguy
I counted 15 including musicals (Singin in the Rain & Wizard of Oz) and Pink Flamingos.
Statcruncher
Footballguy
Any list of greatest movies that has over 100 movies yet fails to include Dumb & Dumber can be ignored.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Now wait a minute, if we are including the likes of Wizard of Oz as a comedy, then I'll go back to my original stance. WofO is not a comedy and anything along those lines doesn't count.
