2015 Shark Pool mock draft - The SECOND one (1 Viewer)

1 Tampa Bay - Grahamburn - Jameis Winston
2 Tennessee - Andy D - Marcus Mariota
3 Jacksonville - Mr. Brownstone - Vic Beasley
4 Oakland - massraider - Leonard Williams
5 Atlanta (from Washington - Brunell4MVP) - Dante Fowler
6 NY Jets - Rockaction - Kevin White
7 Chicago - Ben & Jerry's - Amari Cooper
8 Washington (from Atlanta - Blackjacks) - Shane Ray
9 New York Giants - RC94 - Brandon Scherff
10 St. Louis - Bob Magaw - La'el Collins
11 Minnesota - Raidersfan32904 - Devante Parker
12 Detroit (from Cleveland - JetMaxx) - Danny Shelton
13 New Orleans -Saintfool - Randy Gregory
14 Arizona (from Miami - Slapdash) - Todd Gurley
15 San Francisco - wildabeast49 - Trae Waynes
16 Houston - Bonfire - Bud Dupree
17 San Diego - BoltBacker - Cameron Erving
18 Kansas City - Raiderfan32904 - Andrus Peat
19 Cleveland (from Buffalo) - Arik Armstead
20 Philadelphia - JetMaxx - TJ Clemmings
21 Cincinnati - Quizguy66 - Ereck Flowers
22 Pittsburgh - EvilGrin72 - Marcus Peters
23 Cleveland (from Detroit - Bracie Smathers) - Melvin Gordon
24 Miami (from Arizona - Blackjacks) - Breshad Perriman
25 Carolina - FUBAR - Landon Collins
26 Baltimore - lsutigers - Maxx Williams
27 Minnesota (from Dallas - Bankerguy) - Malcolm Brown
28 Denver - Andy D - DJ Humphries
29 Indianapolis - pizzatyme - Jordan Phillips

30 Green Bay - Chaos Commish - Jalen Collins

31 New Orleans (from Seattle) - Eric Kendricks

32 San Francisco (from New England - Run It Up) - Dorial Green-Beckham

Second round
33 Tennessee - Andy D - QB Marcus Mariota - OT Cedric Ogbuehi -
34 Tampa Bay - Grahamburn - QB Jameis Winston - OT Jake Fisher -

35 Dallas (from Oakland) - bangerguy - CB Kevin Johnson -

36 Jacksonville - Mr. Brownstone - OLB/DE Vic Beasley - RB Jay Ajayi -

37 NY Jets - Rockaction - WR Kevin White - OLB Eli Harold -

38 Washington - Brunell4MVP - LB Shane Ray - WR Jalen Strong -

39 Chicago - Ben & Jerry's - WR Amari Cooper - CB Byron Jones -

40 New York Giants - RC94 - OL Brandon Scherff - DT Eddie Goldman -

41 *trade* Baltimore (via St. Louis) - lsutigers - TE Max Williams - WR Devin Smith -

42 Atlanta - Blackjacks - OLB/DE Dante Fowler - MLB Benardrick McKinney -

43 Cleveland - JetMaxx - DL Arik Armstead - RB Melvin Gordon - LB/S Shaq Thompson -

44 New Orleans - SaintFool - OLB/DE Randy Gregory - LB Eric Kendricks - OG Laken Thomlinson

45 Oakland (from Dallas) - massraider - DT Leonard Williams - WR Phillip Dorsett -

46 New England (from San Francisco) - Run it up - *- DT Michael Bennett -

47 Miami - Slapdash - WR Breshard Perriman - OG A.J. Cann

48 San Diego - BoltBacker - C/OG Cameron Erving - OLB Owambage Odlghizuwa

49 Kansas City - raiderfan32904 - OT Andrus Peat - ILB Paul Dawson -

50 Buffalo - Andy Dufresne - *- LB Stephone Anthony
51 Houston - Nelson Agholor
52 Philadelphia - Eric Rowe
53 Cincinnati - Carl Davis
54 Cleveland (from Detroit) - Devin Funchess
55 Miami (from Arizona) - Denzel Perryman
56 Pittsburgh - Hau'Oli Kikaha
57 Carolina - Tevin Coleman
58 Baltimore - Devin Smith
59 Denver - Quinten Rolins
60 Dallas - Damarious Randall
61 Indianapolis - PJ Williams
62 Green Bay - Ameer Abdullah
63 Seattle - Hroniss Grasu
64 New England - Mario Edwards Jr
65. Tampa Bay - Grahamburn - DE Nate Orchard -
66 Tennessee - Andy D - OG Ali Marpet -
67 Jacksonville - Mr. Brownstone - CB Ronald Darby
68 Oakland - massraider - DE Preston Smith
69 Washington - Brunell4MVP T Donovan Smith
70 NY Jets - Rockaction - QB Bryce Petty
71 Chicago - Ben & Jerry's - RB T.J. Yeldon
72 St. Louis (from Baltimore) - Bob Magaw - QB Brett Hundley
73 Washington (from Atlanta) - Brunell4MVP -DT Grady Jarrett
74 New York Giants - RC94 - S Cody Prewitt -
75 New Orleans - SaintFool WR Tyler Lockett -
76 Minnesota - Raidersfan32904 - WR Tre McBride -
77 Cleveland - WR Chris Conley -
78 New Orleans (from Miami) - SaintFool - LB Taiwan Jones -
79 New England (from San Francisco) -Run it up - OLB Danielle Hunter -
80 Kansas City - raiderfan32904 - DE Trey Flowers
81 Buffalo - Andy Dufresne - QB Garrett Grayson -
82 Houston - Bonfire - TE Clive Walford -
83 San Diego - BoltBacker - DE Henry Anderson -
84 Philadelphia - JetMaxx - WR Rashad Green -
85 Cincinnati - QuizGuy66 - WR Sammy Coates -
86 Arizona (from Miami - Slapdash) - CB Steve Nelson -
87 Pittsburgh - EvilGrin72 - CB Alex Carter -
88 Detroit - Bracie Smathers - RB Duke Johnson -
89 Carolina - FUBAR - OT Daryl Williams

90 St. Louis - Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB Oregon

91 Minnesota - David Johnson, RB Northern Iowa
92 Denver - Xavier Cooper, DT, Washington St
93 Indianapolis - Ty Sambrailo OT Colorado St.
94 Green Bay - Ben Heeney, ILB, Kansas
95 Seattle - Tony Lippett, WR/CB - Michigan St
96 New England - Arie Kouandjio, OG, Alabama
97c New England - Josh Shaw, CB SoCal
98c Kansas City - D'Joun Smith CB, Florida Atlantic
99c Cincinnati - Jeff Heuerman - TE Ohio State

100 Tennessee - David Cobb
101 New England Patriots - Jeremy Langford
102 Oakland Raiders - Jarvis Harrison, OG, Texas A&M
103 Jacksonville Jaguars - Derron Smith
104 New York Jets (traded to Indy) - Javorius "Buck" Allen RB, USC
105 Washington Redskins - Jaquiski Tartt
106 Chicago Bears - Lorenzo Mauldin, LB, Louisville
107 Atlanta Falcons - Davis Tull
108 New York Giants - Kwon Alexander
109 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Josue Matias G Florida State
110 Minnesota Vikings - Adrian Amos, S, PSU
111 Cleveland Browns - Sean Mannion, QB, OSU
112 Seattle Seahawks - John Miller, OG - Louisville
113 Philadelphia Eagles - Z.Smith, DE, Kentucky
114 Miami Dolphins--Mark Giowinsky OG, WVU
115 Cleveland Browns-Jesse James, TE, PSU
116 Houston Texans-R.Wilson, ILB, Georgia
117 San Diego Chargers--Rob Havenstein-OT-Wisconsin
118 Kansas City Chiefs-James Sample-S-Louisville
119 St. Louis Rams-Reese Dismukes, C Auburn
120 Cincinnati Bengals-Doran Grant-CB-Ohio State
121 Pittsburgh Steelers-Tyler Kroft-TE-Rutgers
122 Baltimore Ravens-Mike Davis-RB-South Carolina
123 Arizona Cardinals-Lynden Trail-OLB-Norfolk St.
124 Carolina Panthers-Justin Hardy-WR-East Carolina
125 Baltimore Ravens-Senquez Golson-CB-Mississippi
126 San Francisco 49ers-Anthony Chickillo-DE-Miami
127 Oakland Raiders-from DAL-Anthony Harris-S-Virginia
128 Indianapolis Colts - Frank Clark, DE, Michigan
129 Green Bay Packers - Marcus Hardison, DE, Arizona State
130 Seattle Seahawks - Gabe Wright, DT, Auburn
131 New England Patriots - Kenny Bell, WR Nebraska
132 San Francisco 49ers - Jake Ryan, ILB - Michigan
133 Denver Broncos - Ben Koyak, TE, Notre Dame
134 Seattle Seahawks - Dres Anderson, WR, Utah
135 Cincinnati Bengals - Jordan Hicks - Texas
136 Baltimore Ravens - Dezmin Lewis, Central Arkansas

137 Minnesota - Darryl Roberts,CB Marshal
138 Tennessee Titans
139 Jacksonville Jaguars
140 Oakland Raiders
141 Washington Redskins
142 Chicago Bears from New York Jets [R5 - 2]
143 Denver Broncos from Chicago [R5 - 3]
144 New York Giants
145 Philadelphia Eagles from St. Louis [R5 - 4]
146 Atlanta Falcons
147 Cleveland Browns
148 New Orleans Saints
149 Miami Dolphins from Minnesota [R5 - 5]
150 Miami Dolphins
151 San Francisco 49ers
152 Houston Texans
153 San Diego Chargers
154 New Orleans Saints from Kansas City [R5 - 6]
155 Buffalo Bills
156 Philadelphia Eagles
157 Cincinnati Bengals
158 Baltimore Ravens from Detroit [R5 - 7]
159 Arizona Cardinals
160 Pittsburgh Steelers
161 Carolina Panthers
162 Tampa Bay Buccaneers from Baltimore [R5 - 8]
163 Dallas Cowboys
164 Denver Broncos
165 Indianapolis Colts
166 Green Bay Packers
167 Seattle Seahawks
168 Detroit Lions from New England via Tampa Bay [R5 - 9]
169 Carolina Panthers
170 Seattle Seahawks
171 Baltimore Ravens
172 Kansas City Chiefs
173 Kansas City Chiefs
174 Carolina Panthers
175 Houston Texans
176 Baltimore Ravens

Rams

NYG

Baltimore

I'll take Miami again

I'll take the Jags.

I'll take the Raiders.

Looks like massraider has the Raiders, nevermind.

Pats everyday

I'll take whatever team (s), prefer to change it up and not take Tennessee or Detroit. Carolina if nobody else wants them.

SF

I will take Chicago.

I'm a total n00b and near-ingenue, but I'll take the Jets unless someone from the Jets thread or someone with clearly better knowledge comes in and wants to do it. If so, I'll defer to them.

I'll take the Redskins.

CLE owner....we will trade pick #5 for picks #12 and #43 if interested during draft. Point value is almost exactly equal per the NFL draft point value chart.

- Brunell

Brunell4MVP said:

I'll take the Redskins.

CLE owner....we will trade pick #5 for picks #12 and #42 if interested during draft. Point value is almost exactly equal per the NFL draft point value chart.

- Brunell

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Not the Cleveland owner, just curious who you think they would trade up to take?

They have the 12 and the 19.

Oh all right. I'll take the Steelers again.

Ill take Houston.

I'll take CLE

Nobody on the Bucs yet? I'll take them again and at least get the first pick right this time.

Cowboys pls...

I'll take the Titans. I think there's about a 10% chance they actually make the #2 pick, which will be Mariotta.

So, just for kicks, I'm going to give alternate Titans picks at spots where I think they'd trade down to. You know, like the Jets, Browns, Saints, Eagles, and Chargers.

In other words, assuming that Winston is #1, then Mariotta is #2, but each team will stay in their current draft slots and make those picks - The Titans will just make picks there too.

Andy Dufresne said:

I'll take the Titans. I think there's about a 10% chance they actually make the #2 pick, which will be Mariotta.

So, just for kicks, I'm going to give alternate Titans picks at spots where I think they'd trade down to. You know, like the Jets, Browns, Saints, Eagles, and Chargers.

In other words, assuming that Winston is #1, then Mariotta is #2, but each team will stay in their current draft slots and make those picks - The Titans will just make picks there too.

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there may be more teams who the Titans could trade the pick to than they couldn't.

1.01 - Jameis Winston, QB, FSU

I've attempted to be extremely objective regarding these two players. During the season I was rooting for the Bucs to "suck for the duck," and I even selected Marcus Mariota in our first Shark Pool mock, but as the process unfolded Jameis became the clear cut best QB in this draft in my mind. He outplayed Marcus in the Rose Bowl despite what the box score and scoreboard said. Then watching Marcus in the Championship Game made it even more clear that he was going to need a lot of work to become an NFL QB. Jameis clearly already knows how to rally a team and bring them back when they're behind.

Jameis then separated himself even more at the combine by putting on a display with his arm and his personality. His tape in his Heisman trophy season working with WRs who were on the same page with him is fantastic.

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have needed a QB with some swagger and a win at all costs mentality since the inception of their franchise. They finally get one.

1.02 - Marcus Mariotta - Team Unknown

If, by some miracle, the Titans don't trade this pick then I think the guy they'd take is Leonard Williams. They signed Orakpo so the don't need a pass rusher. They could possibly take a WR as Justin Hunter just doesn't seem to have "it" and beyond Wright, the cupboard is pretty bare.

Kind of mandatory to assign a team and package to that move though, right? Who's moving up to that spot to take him? Cleveland, St. Louis, NY Jets, Chicago?

i'll take the Saints. i kvetch about them enough in these threads. i'd like someone else to do it this time around.

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Kind of mandatory to assign a team and package to that move though, right? Who's moving up to that spot to take him? Cleveland, St. Louis, NY Jets, Chicago?

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Don't want him. Wanted Jameis, but other picks will easily suffice at six.

eta* When I said the NY Jets "wanted" Jameis, that means there would have to be a trade. I wasn't thinking he'd fall to sixth. Been doing a ton of reading over the past few weeks about this. Jet front office seems to be hot on Jameis, per numerous reports. May be a deal in the offing in real life for him.

I will take Baltimore

1.03- Vic Beasley, LEO, Clemson

Most of the draft world has mocked Dante Fowler to the Jags with this pick. However, I think Vic Beasley is a perfect fit for Gus Bradley's defense. He isn't just a workout warrior, as his tape is excellent (52.5 tackles for loss, 33 sacks). I think he'll feast in this defense.

Andy Dufresne said:

1.02 - Marcus Mariotta - Team Unknown

If, by some miracle, the Titans don't trade this pick then I think the guy they'd take is Leonard Williams. They signed Orakpo so the don't need a pass rusher. They could possibly take a WR as Justin Hunter just doesn't seem to have "it" and beyond Wright, the cupboard is pretty bare.

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Isn't this going to "ruin" the draft already?

Shouldn't they either trade the pick or make a pick?

Dr. Octopus said:

Andy Dufresne said:

1.02 - Marcus Mariotta - Team Unknown

If, by some miracle, the Titans don't trade this pick then I think the guy they'd take is Leonard Williams. They signed Orakpo so the don't need a pass rusher. They could possibly take a WR as Justin Hunter just doesn't seem to have "it" and beyond Wright, the cupboard is pretty bare.

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Isn't this going to "ruin" the draft already?

Shouldn't they either trade the pick or make a pick?

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otherwise we all could simply start doing the same - "If the Panthers traded up to #2, we'd take Amari Cooper"... "If the Panthers traded up to #6, we'd take Bud Dupree"... makes for a mess.

Andy - commentary would be great, but this line of making speculative picks if the Titans had traded for X pick... can derail things and doesn't add much.

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Kind of mandatory to assign a team and package to that move though, right? Who's moving up to that spot to take him? Cleveland, St. Louis, NY Jets, Chicago?

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Dr. Octopus said:

Andy Dufresne said:

1.02 - Marcus Mariotta - Team Unknown

If, by some miracle, the Titans don't trade this pick then I think the guy they'd take is Leonard Williams. They signed Orakpo so the don't need a pass rusher. They could possibly take a WR as Justin Hunter just doesn't seem to have "it" and beyond Wright, the cupboard is pretty bare.

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Isn't this going to "ruin" the draft already?

Shouldn't they either trade the pick or make a pick?

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No, it only matters who is taken at that spot.

We have no way of knowing who is going to trade up for that spot. We can still play out the scenario of NOT trading up for all the teams that COULD trade up.

We can play through what Cleveland will do with the 19 & 19 if they don't trade up while still hypothesizing that they could be one of the teams that do trade up fro Mariotta.

FUBAR said:

Dr. Octopus said:

Andy Dufresne said:

1.02 - Marcus Mariotta - Team Unknown

If, by some miracle, the Titans don't trade this pick then I think the guy they'd take is Leonard Williams. They signed Orakpo so the don't need a pass rusher. They could possibly take a WR as Justin Hunter just doesn't seem to have "it" and beyond Wright, the cupboard is pretty bare.

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Isn't this going to "ruin" the draft already?

Shouldn't they either trade the pick or make a pick?

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otherwise we all could simply start doing the same - "If the Panthers traded up to #2, we'd take Amari Cooper"... "If the Panthers traded up to #6, we'd take Bud Dupree"... makes for a mess.

Andy - commentary would be great, but this line of making speculative picks if the Titans had traded for X pick... can derail things and doesn't add much.

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No, this is not correct. I'm all but certain that Mariotta is going to go #2 and by default that the Titans aren't going to pick there. So we should play that scenario out.

The only team that really "loses out" or doesn't "make sense" is Tennessee, but that's only one team.

If it helps, then just consider it that the Titans took Mariotta.

Andy Dufresne said:

No, this is not correct. I'm all but certain that Mariotta is going to go #2 and by default that the Titans aren't going to pick there. So we should play that scenario out.


The only team that really "loses out" or doesn't "make sense" is Tennessee, but that's only one team.

If it helps, then just consider it that the Titans took Mariotta.

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So at the end of this mock, the Titans didn't pick anyone in the first and Mariota is just floating around in the atmosphere?

If you were trying to make a point - should have just had the Titans actually make the pick.

I'm not in the draft this time so don't really care much, but this approach just seems kind of odd and makes this whole exercise seem pointless.

Dr. Octopus said:

Andy Dufresne said:

No, this is not correct. I'm all but certain that Mariotta is going to go #2 and by default that the Titans aren't going to pick there. So we should play that scenario out.


The only team that really "loses out" or doesn't "make sense" is Tennessee, but that's only one team.

If it helps, then just consider it that the Titans took Mariotta.

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So at the end of this mock, the Titans didn't pick anyone in the first and Mariota is just floating around in the atmosphere?

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No, I'll make it easy for you all.. The Titans took Mariota.

Even though they won't in the real draft. But MM will still go there.

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1.03- Vic Beasley, LEO, Clemson

Most of the draft world has mocked Dante Fowler to the Jags with this pick. However, I think Vic Beasley is a perfect fit for Gus Bradley's defense. He isn't just a workout warrior, as his tape is excellent (52.5 tackles for loss, 33 sacks). I think he'll feast in this defense.

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I can see this. It would certainly make the Raiders' pick interesting.

1.04 Oakland Raiders-Leonard Williams

I think this is what they'd do, and what I would do. Decision comes down to Cooper and Leo, no one else. The two cleanest, most NFL-ready prospects in the draft.

Leo will play left end in our four man front, and slide inside on obvious passing downs. If you think WR is a greater need, please name the guys who played left end for Oakland last year (Tuck was right end). You can't, can you? Williams strengthens the rush defense, and the pass rush, helping out the coverage behind him, and Khalil Mack, who'd be facing triple teams otherwise.

Willliams/Cooper decision comes down to this: One is a WR, and one is a D-lineman that can play about 3 different positions.

Since I missed out on Balt I will take ATL if still available

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Since I missed out on Balt I will take ATL if still available

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Definitely.

massraider said:

1.04 Oakland Raiders-Leonard Williams

I think this is what they'd do, and what I would do. Decision comes down to Cooper and Leo, no one else. The two cleanest, most NFL-ready prospects in the draft.

Leo will play left end in our four man front, and slide inside on obvious passing downs. If you think WR is a greater need, please name the guys who played left end for Oakland last year (Tuck was right end). You can't, can you? Williams strengthens the rush defense, and the pass rush, helping out the coverage behind him, and Khalil Mack, who'd be facing triple teams otherwise.

Willliams/Cooper decision comes down to this: One is a WR, and one is a D-lineman that can play about 3 different positions.

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this is a good pick. there is credible talent at WR to be had later in the draft.

saintfool said:

massraider said:

1.04 Oakland Raiders-Leonard Williams

I think this is what they'd do, and what I would do. Decision comes down to Cooper and Leo, no one else. The two cleanest, most NFL-ready prospects in the draft.

Leo will play left end in our four man front, and slide inside on obvious passing downs. If you think WR is a greater need, please name the guys who played left end for Oakland last year (Tuck was right end). You can't, can you? Williams strengthens the rush defense, and the pass rush, helping out the coverage behind him, and Khalil Mack, who'd be facing triple teams otherwise.

Willliams/Cooper decision comes down to this: One is a WR, and one is a D-lineman that can play about 3 different positions.

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this is a good pick. there is credible talent at WR to be had later in the draft.

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Agree with this, feel the drop from Williams to other D-linemen is much further than WR drop. A case can be made that Williams is the best player in this draft.

massraider said:

1.04 Oakland Raiders-Leonard Williams

I think this is what they'd do, and what I would do. Decision comes down to Cooper and Leo, no one else. The two cleanest, most NFL-ready prospects in the draft.

Leo will play left end in our four man front, and slide inside on obvious passing downs. If you think WR is a greater need, please name the guys who played left end for Oakland last year (Tuck was right end). You can't, can you? Williams strengthens the rush defense, and the pass rush, helping out the coverage behind him, and Khalil Mack, who'd be facing triple teams otherwise.

Willliams/Cooper decision comes down to this: One is a WR, and one is a D-lineman that can play about 3 different positions.

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left end is now playing for the Broncos. I agree that Williams definitely helps the run defense, though I'm not as convinced he can bring the outside pass rush. As for the last sentence, I'd rather have stud at a defined position than a versatile player who can fill holes. At least as far as I'm valueing my top 5 pick. But to each his own. I have no doubt the Raiders highly covet Williams, who I consider a good player and instant impact, but is a bit of a luxury for what the team needs are. Main point of contention is that he's being sold in the press as a pass rusher based off his incredible measurements and combine stats, and there are some notable names in the industry that beg to differ. Remember Jadeveon Clowney? Not saying Williams is that guy, but every year there is somebody that gets hyped beyond reasonable expectations. I see Williams as a good 2 down DL with room for upside with good coaching. I won't be mad at the pick though. He's the "safest" pick in the draft defensively. I will be disappointed we didn't add a major playmaker for Carr in Amari Cooper.

I'll do Minnesota if nobody else wants them.

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I will be disappointed we didn't add a major playmaker for Carr in Amari Cooper.

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The top 3 are the top 3 for sure, but there will be a lot of WRs they could consider at the top 2nd or even trade back into the late 1st for.

Raiderfan32904 said:

massraider said:

1.04 Oakland Raiders-Leonard Williams

I think this is what they'd do, and what I would do. Decision comes down to Cooper and Leo, no one else. The two cleanest, most NFL-ready prospects in the draft.

Leo will play left end in our four man front, and slide inside on obvious passing downs. If you think WR is a greater need, please name the guys who played left end for Oakland last year (Tuck was right end). You can't, can you? Williams strengthens the rush defense, and the pass rush, helping out the coverage behind him, and Khalil Mack, who'd be facing triple teams otherwise.

Willliams/Cooper decision comes down to this: One is a WR, and one is a D-lineman that can play about 3 different positions.

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left end is now playing for the Broncos. I agree that Williams definitely helps the run defense, though I'm not as convinced he can bring the outside pass rush. As for the last sentence, I'd rather have stud at a defined position than a versatile player who can fill holes. At least as far as I'm valueing my top 5 pick. But to each his own. I have no doubt the Raiders highly covet Williams, who I consider a good player and instant impact, but is a bit of a luxury for what the team needs are. Main point of contention is that he's being sold in the press as a pass rusher based off his incredible measurements and combine stats, and there are some notable names in the industry that beg to differ. Remember Jadeveon Clowney? Not saying Williams is that guy, but every year there is somebody that gets hyped beyond reasonable expectations. I see Williams as a good 2 down DL with room for upside with good coaching. I won't be mad at the pick though. He's the "safest" pick in the draft defensively. I will be disappointed we didn't add a major playmaker for Carr in Amari Cooper.

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Don't take issue with your logic in general, but don't feel the Clowney pick comparison is fair. Injuries derailed his first year, he could have been all universe or a bust as a healthy player, but to judge him as a poor pick/bust because he ended up hurt isn't fair. If Andrew Luck had been struck by a bus a few games into his career, would you blame the Colts for falsely believing the hype? Clowney deserves and incomplete grade for his rookie year.

Raiderfan32904 said:

I'll do Minnesota if nobody else wants them.

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Have at it.

Brunell4MVP please look in your inbox

Andy Dufresne said:

Raiderfan32904 said:

I will be disappointed we didn't add a major playmaker for Carr in Amari Cooper.

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The top 3 are the top 3 for sure, but there will be a lot of WRs they could consider at the top 2nd or even trade back into the late 1st for.

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Clowney was top 3 for sure last year. It's just an opinion. Not trying to be a contrarian just for the sake of it, I honestly think Cooper is undervalued.

Raiderfan32904 said:

Andy Dufresne said:

Raiderfan32904 said:

I will be disappointed we didn't add a major playmaker for Carr in Amari Cooper.

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The top 3 are the top 3 for sure, but there will be a lot of WRs they could consider at the top 2nd or even trade back into the late 1st for.

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Clowney was top 3 for sure last year. It's just an opinion. Not trying to be a contrarian just for the sake of it, I honestly think Cooper is undervalued.

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Not at all. No problem.

Either Cooper or Williams would/should improve that team.

Andy Dufresne said:

Raiderfan32904 said:

I will be disappointed we didn't add a major playmaker for Carr in Amari Cooper.

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The top 3 are the top 3 for sure, but there will be a lot of WRs they could consider at the top 2nd or even trade back into the late 1st for.

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Heck, forget the draft. WRs available in free agency every year. UDFA come out of nowhere. D-line tougher to come by.

Position scarcity was the only factor. if Tenn or Jax takes Williams, I would run a Rashad Perriman-type-40 yard dash to get the Cooper pick in.

I think stronger lines make the players behind them better. Our young LBs and corners will look better behind Williams.

Love your argument about stronger lines making players behind them better...no doubt about it...true statement. but if good WR's are available every year in UDFA, explain how we have the putridest WR roster in the league?