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Colts... Head scratching pick... (1 Viewer)

Carter_Can_Fly

Carter_Can_Fly

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Did the Colts realize that their D was awful and can't stop anyone. They have 2 young very good WR's in Moncrief and Hilton. Signed a good vet WR in AJ. Two big TE's and have Gore.

They needed to go after D in the worst way. Brady just slices them up. This was just a wasted pick. Offence is not the problem.

 
Awesome as a Luck dynasty owner. Another big play weapon for Luck and still a crappy defense equals lots of points for Andrew.

 
I am a Colts homer and live in Anderson which is where training camp is held. I was sure they would grab Malcolm Brown there.

Having said that, the Colts return game has been ATROCIOUS for YEARS. With AJ and Dorsett on the outside and T.Y. in the slot, this offense can be scary good.

Damn. Pittsburgh and New England both got GREAT value.

 
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Moncrief isn't bad either... I don't think it's a fork in Moncrief or anything. They can't line up a bunch was waterbug speedsters can they?

 
Hilton is a FA in 2016. Insurance in case they don't want to pay him top dollar? Dorsett seems pretty similar to Hilton in skill set, no?

 
In 7 of 16 regular season games last year they gave up 27 points or more on D.

It included losses to Pitt giving up 51. A loss to NE giving up 42. A loss to Dallas giving up 42. A loss to Denver giving up 31. A loss to Philly giving up 30. They managed to win the other two games where they beat Redskins giving up 27 and the Texans 28.

I just don't know how or why they pick an offensive guy. Clear as day they needed to add D. Really dumb.

 
Great pick. BPA and will take care of defense in later rounds. Picking need is stupid and they didn't do that.

 
If you have the best young qb in the game, I'm not gonna fault you for loading him up with an excess of weapons.

There are 6 more rounds to draft defense.

 
JohnnyU said:
Great pick. BPA and will take care of defense in later rounds. Picking need is stupid and they didn't do that.
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Really?

I don't mind BPA but anywhere on the Defensive side of the ball.

It can be argued that Dorsett was not even the best WR left let alone best player available.

 
shader said:
If you have the best young qb in the game, I'm not gonna fault you for loading him up with an excess of weapons.

There are 6 more rounds to draft defense.
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If you have the best young qb in the game, he should be able to get production out of less than premium players, allowing the team to load up on defense. That's how you build championship teams.

 
Road Warriors said:
shader said:
If you have the best young qb in the game, I'm not gonna fault you for loading him up with an excess of weapons.

There are 6 more rounds to draft defense.
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If you have the best young qb in the game, he should be able to get production out of less than premium players, allowing the team to load up on defense. That's how you build championship teams.
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This just it. Brady just won a SB with cast off Lafell starting for him. Also, you already upgraded from Wayne to AJ for next year. And this all coming off a year where your QB just threw for 4700 yards and 40 td's. But hey load up on O while you continue to get pounded on D. This D is pitiful.

 
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Carter_Can_Fly said:
In 7 of 16 regular season games last year they gave up 27 points or more on D.

It included losses to Pitt giving up 51. A loss to NE giving up 42. A loss to Dallas giving up 42. A loss to Denver giving up 31. A loss to Philly giving up 30. They managed to win the other two games where they beat Redskins giving up 27 and the Texans 28.

I just don't know how or why they pick an offensive guy. Clear as day they needed to add D. Really dumb.
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Counting regular and post season from 2013 and 2014, IND gave up 27 points or more 16 times including 8 games of 40+ points.

 
Anarchy99 said:
Carter_Can_Fly said:
In 7 of 16 regular season games last year they gave up 27 points or more on D.

It included losses to Pitt giving up 51. A loss to NE giving up 42. A loss to Dallas giving up 42. A loss to Denver giving up 31. A loss to Philly giving up 30. They managed to win the other two games where they beat Redskins giving up 27 and the Texans 28.

I just don't know how or why they pick an offensive guy. Clear as day they needed to add D. Really dumb.
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Counting regular and post season from 2013 and 2014, IND gave up 27 points or more 16 times including 8 games of 40+ points.
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Ouch!

 
I said this in the Dorsett thread but the way he got excited for Dukes big runs and how he looks like he tries to block makes me think he is a solid character guy. That doesn't make him an elite NFL WR but it is important because having good QB and WR chemistry is important.

As stated before, Hilton is a FA in 2016 and AJ could be a year away from retirement. I think Fleener and Allen have shown excellent potential but there has been some injury issues and I don't think either of them are in the Gronk/Graham/Gonzo area of elite game changing talent.

Then you look at their RB position. Gore is an old warhorse that could give out at any moment.

So in a very short time the Colts could be looking at a situation where Moncrief is their undisputed #1, the TEs are mediocre and they have no running back. They also probably are planning to have fairly late picks going forward and think this WR classes (and Dorsett) might be the best chance to add WR skill for awhile.

I'm not saying I think Dorsett or WR was what I would've drafted there but I can definitely understand the pick.

 
I get the argument to draft defense, but if they draft offense how about helping out there horrible o-line. Worst pick of the first round, calming Browns fans going for the 3-peat.

 
Unnecessary pick after signing Duron Carter. What were they thinking?

Signed,

Dynasty team owner of AJ, Moncrief, AND Carter (and Luck too actually)

 
It was mentioned on the Draft but it's almost telegraphing their intent to use 3WR sets. When you have an arm talent the caliber of Andrew Luck you let him sling it as much as he wants. Andre Johnson and TY Hilton's targets are safe but Hilton and this guy will make plays all day long.

Why not just score a million points?

 
The Colts have a strong receiving corps this year even without Dorsett, but by next year that could easily change. Hilton, Fleener, and Allen are all in the last year of their contracts, Andre Johnson is 34, and Moncrief is still unproven. It's not a huge need, but it's also not as if Dorsett will just waste away on the bench for his entire rookie contract. It reminds me of the Titans' Taylor Lewan pick last year, which tons of people slammed at the time because they had Roos (who missed most of the season and then retired) and Oher (who sucked and got cut) ahead of him.

In dynasty, this is bad news for Hilton because it increases the chances that they'll let him walk next year.

 
JohnnyU said:
Great pick. BPA and will take care of defense in later rounds. Picking need is stupid and they didn't do that.
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The Colts have a #### o-line and allowed NE to run for close to 600 yards in two games, and we're blown away in serval others. This was a moronic pick. I like Dorsett, but he wasn't the BPA there.

If this team didn't luck into Luck they may have shown to be the worst front office in the league. Luck covers a lot of warts.

 
plastik said:
Hilton is a FA in 2016. Insurance in case they don't want to pay him top dollar? Dorsett seems pretty similar to Hilton in skill set, no?
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This logic makes sense.Their WR corps will be dirt cheap next year with the exception of Andre Johnson and he won't be that expensive. They must be planning to fill other holes (o-line, defense) with $$$ and later picks. If the first day was still 3 rounds and they had taken defense with their 2nd and 3rd round picks on defense there wouldn't be such a strong reaction here.

 
Dorsett hit the jackpot of QBs. Definitely insurance if Hilton wants to ruin his career after his contract is up and sign with some team that doesn't have a QB (yet the GM thinks they do). Fantasy value nil for 2015 and possibly for 2016 depending on Andre Johnson. Looks like Duron Carter will meet the fate of Darick Rogers.

 
The WR position is so deep this year that the pick makes no sense. They could have at least traded back 5-10 spots and still got a very good WR.

Frankly, their GM is terrible. If it weren't for the Colts' absurd luck in falling into Andrew Luck, that team would be absolute bottom of the barrel.

 
I think the NFL will have a draft next year too, right? I guess I would buy the "Hilton insurance" angle more if he was already threatening to leave.

They are a Super Bowl contender right now, so I just think drafting a more needy position with someone who could immediately make a difference would have seemed more logical.

 
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GroveDiesel said:
The WR position is so deep this year that the pick makes no sense. They could have at least traded back 5-10 spots and still got a very good WR.

Frankly, their GM is terrible. If it weren't for the Colts' absurd luck in falling into Andrew Luck, that team would be absolute bottom of the barrel.
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If it wasn't for Luck they'd be competing with the Browns for most dysfunctional team. Their GM and owner is a train wreck. Thing is though, they do have Luck so he'll keep the team in contention most years. I'd be ok with trading places with them just based on that.

 
ZWK said:
The Colts have a strong receiving corps this year even without Dorsett, but by next year that could easily change. Hilton, Fleener, and Allen are all in the last year of their contracts, Andre Johnson is 34, and Moncrief is still unproven. It's not a huge need, but it's also not as if Dorsett will just waste away on the bench for his entire rookie contract. It reminds me of the Titans' Taylor Lewan pick last year, which tons of people slammed at the time because they had Roos (who missed most of the season and then retired) and Oher (who sucked and got cut) ahead of him.

In dynasty, this is bad news for Hilton because it increases the chances that they'll let him walk next year.
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Right or wrong teams with elite qbs never let their wrs walk in free agency. I don't think this has anything to do with it. I love Hilton but drafting a clone and having a couple of smurfs like him, and a guy who probably red shirts is a really bad pick when their o-line and defense are both bottom of the barrel and desperately need talent. Do you really want two 5'9" receivers on the field 90% of the time? If not what are you drafting him for. And I like Dorsett too but it wasn't like he was far and away the bpa and they couldn't turn down the value.

 
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defense is overrated

the run and shoot lives!

seriously, though, I think belichick has taken linemen with 8 of 15 first round picks since the turn of the century, and defensive players with 11 of 15.

something close to that, anyway.

 
Kool-Aid Larry said:
defense is overrated

the run and shoot lives!

seriously, though, I think belichick has taken linemen with 8 of 15 first round picks since the turn of the century, and defensive players with 11 of 15.

something close to that, anyway.
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BB has taken 5 DL, 2 LB, 2 DB, 2 OL, 2 TE, 1 RB in the first round in NE.

 
FF Ninja said:
plastik said:
Hilton is a FA in 2016. Insurance in case they don't want to pay him top dollar? Dorsett seems pretty similar to Hilton in skill set, no?
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This logic makes sense.Their WR corps will be dirt cheap next year with the exception of Andre Johnson and he won't be that expensive. They must be planning to fill other holes (o-line, defense) with $$$ and later picks. If the first day was still 3 rounds and they had taken defense with their 2nd and 3rd round picks on defense there wouldn't be such a strong reaction here.
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I'll agree with this, but gotta put the Colts on a short leash for the next several rounds. I would have rather seen them take Collins at safety with that pick. As a local, it will be hard to stomach another season watching the D get steamrolled by NE.

Jury is still out on Moncrief, but I don't see him becoming elite and I feel like they just drafted TY Hilton part II. That being said, with the emphasis the NFL has begun putting on pass interference, holding, illegal contact, and concussion concerns (no more huge hits over the middle of the field), small/speedy receivers can be just as deadly as the 6'3, 220lb WRs.

 
GroveDiesel said:
The WR position is so deep this year that the pick makes no sense. They could have at least traded back 5-10 spots and still got a very good WR.

Frankly, their GM is terrible. If it weren't for the Colts' absurd luck in falling into Andrew Luck, that team would be absolute bottom of the barrel.
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If no one is callin you to trade back, you take the best player on your baord

 
I live in Indy. They are in a win now mode. The head coach turned down a 1 year extension since the front office only offered a "modest" raise. So Chuck is betting on himself. If he is successful next year and the Colts low ball him again...he may walk. Or, if they fall apart he may walk too (or be jettisoned). So now you'll have a team looking for a new head coach and what may be an inept GM. This could get really ugly next year. Plus, with all the contract issues they will have to deal with, I just don't get a warm fuzzy. This Dorsett kid better be lights out. The O-line is questionable at best and the defense is a joke. You need a guy that can be a contributor with that 1st pick. Dorsett may be a gimmick guy this year...or return some kicks. They could have had a defensive starter to help that team stop other teams from scoring. I just don't get it. I was totally surprised they drafted a WR. I don't think ANY of the pundits here saw that coming. Wow.

 
Love Dorsett, hated to see him end up in Indy. They got a great, game breaker who immediately upgrades their explosiveness on O and ST. I don't see how anyone (other than Hilton dynasty owners) can fault them with this pick. The draft isn't over and neither is free agency. They will address the defense going forward. I can't wait to revisit this thread after the season starts.

 
This Colts fan is disgusted! I'm curious if the Colts go WR in the 2nd if the BPA is a WR??? I call bull####. Grigson is in over his head.

I believe they could have taken any other position including QB and would have done better there.

Maybe with the defense giving up a ton of points again, they're counting on Dorsett to run back 10-12 Kickoffs?! SMGDH!

 
Well we talk about need and everything but depth is a huge part of REAL football. Wasn't WR depth a problem for them last season?? They lost Wayne, gained AJ and Carter via FA, I don't think adding a great WR is a huge swing and a miss or anything.

 
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