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Tom Brady ONCE AGAIN suspended 4 games (1 Viewer)

Sweet J said:
OK, I haven't read the report, but I heard Wells interviewed this morning. Maybe someone can clarify for me:

Wells said that a big factor in his decision was the fact that one of the text messages from the equipment guy, he called himself "the Deflator."

So my questions:

1) Isn't it perfectly ok for the equipment guy to deflate the balls (hence, the "Deflator" name), as long as he was deflating them within the spectrum that is allowable? So, deflating the balls from 14 psi to 12:5 psi. Basically, if Tom wanted the balls deflated to JUST within the limits. So I don't see how this text on its own proves anything. Are there other texts that haven't been reported or I haven't seen?

2) When I think about handing over the phone, I think back to the Richie Incognito thing. He handed over his phone, only to see horribly, horribly embarrassing texts broadcast to all of the free world. When he handed over his phone, did he know that the contents of ALL of his texts would be publicized? So, let's say Tom was texting girls not named Giselle, or he was texting buddies ragging on Bellechic or Kraft or even teamates. Did Brady have any guarantee that those wouldn't be broadcast to the known world?
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In the interview Wells said he ok with Brady's agent relaying the text messages in question to the Wells investigation. Brady declined.

 
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Sweet J said:
My posts may be influenced by the fact that I heard Wells interviewed this morning, and he came across as a grade-A jackhole.
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When all is said and done this will most likely be a 2 game suspension at most and quite possible overturned completely.

 
I just don't get the end game for Brady here. So he can get on the field sooner? It won't change anyone's opinion if he gets the sentence reduced.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
If Spygate didn't give the Pats an advantage then why were they doing it?
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Good question. Someday after Bill Belichik retires maybe he'll write a book explaining it. There's a famous story about a meeting between Kraft and Belichik after Spygate. Kraft asked if it gave the Pats an advantage. BB said no, to which Kraft responded, "Then you are dumber than I thought".In my opinion the crimes committed by the Patriots were not spying or manipulating balls. I honestly think everyone pushes the envelope like this in some fashion. Their crime is being smug about it.

The Pats beat Baltimore using the trick formations, and after the game Tom Brady rubbed it in Harbaugh's face by saying he should read the rule book. Which is exactly Harbaugh did. And in doing so he found that little clause about the 12.5 psi limit. Harbaugh calls Jim Irsay at the Colts and the rest is history.

 
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Koya said:
Sweet J said:
squistion said:
Wells did not want to see Brady's phone or all of his messages. Told the agent Yee that he (Yee) could go through the phone records and then only had to provide those that were relevant to the investigation and that he would trust that the agent would turn over all that was relevant. There was no danger that of Tom's personal calls/texts would be seen by Wells, let alone the public.
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Read that somewhere the other day. Was wondering if it was true. If so, makes Brady look pretty bad.
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Huh? How do you trust the investigatee to just give the smoking gun to the investigator?
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I know this isn't a court of law, but that's how it works. You serve "document requests," and you trust the other side (the other side's attorney, really) to give up all the relevant documents. So yes, *if* this is true, Wells would be trusting Yee's integrity, not Brady's. (theoretically, Yee's integrity is worth more to him than it would be worth to hide relevant information).

 
The General said:
TheIronSheik said:
The General said:
TheIronSheik said:
Leroy Hoard said:
tommyboy said:
if the NFL was super duper serious you guys about this ball thing, they'd just supply all the balls for all games and take the teams out of the process.
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Truly amazing that this billion dollar enterprise still does not do this.
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Yup.

"OK guys, we want to make sure no one messes with these things and ensure that the sanctity of the game will never be compromised. Anyone have any thoughts on how we can do this?"

"Let the teams handle it?"

"Sounds good. I don't see how that could go wrong. Meeting adjourned."
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Leave it to the Pats to cheat the whole thing up.
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We say that, but I wonder how many teams are going to the ball guys and telling them to not do it anymore.
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Yup. I'd bet every team has had a discussion about this somewhere in the organization to make sure they are good on this moving forward.
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Many teams probably had this discussion when the rules first came out. Contrary to Pats fan's contention, I don't believe everyone is a cheat. That's a total straw man.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
Jack White said:
TheIronSheik said:
Mile High said:
I don't have 2 footballs. Has anyone here tried the tell the difference from 12.5 to 11.5 psi?
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It's about a 1 psi difference.
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It's an 8% reduction. Seems insignificant to me.
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There are many things in my life I would consider quite significantly reduced were they reduced by 8%. My height, my length, my salary just to name a few.
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Eight percent of four inches is only a third of an inch.

She would never know the difference.

 
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Jack White said:
Ditkaless Wonders said:
Jack White said:
TheIronSheik said:
Mile High said:
I don't have 2 footballs. Has anyone here tried the tell the difference from 12.5 to 11.5 psi?
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It's about a 1 psi difference.
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It's an 8% reduction. Seems insignificant to me.
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There are many things in my life I would consider quite significantly reduced were they reduced by 8%. My height, my length, my salary just to name a few.
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Eight percent of four inches is only a third of an inch.

She would never know the difference.
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But I'd know the difference.

 
Sweet J said:
1) Isn't it perfectly ok for the equipment guy to deflate the balls (hence, the "Deflator" name), as long as he was deflating them within the spectrum that is allowable? So, deflating the balls from 14 psi to 12:5 psi. Basically, if Tom wanted the balls deflated to JUST within the limits. So I don't see how this text on its own proves anything. Are there other texts that haven't been reported or I haven't seen?
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To add to what the others have said, there are additional texts. Several that talk further about deflating. Another where he is asking for cash and shoes for what he's doing and jokes he is "not going to espn........yet". One that Brady thought he "must have a lot of stress trying to get them done.."

 
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squistion said:
Wells did not want to see Brady's phone or all of his messages. Told the agent Yee that he (Yee) could go through the phone records and then only had to provide those that were relevant to the investigation and that he would trust that the agent would turn over all that was relevant. There was no danger that of Tom's personal calls/texts would be seen by Wells, let alone the public.
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Read that somewhere the other day. Was wondering if it was true. If so, makes Brady look pretty bad.
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Everybody keeps mentioning turning over his phone.

Wells says he never asked for Brady's phone in any capacity but rather was fine with Yee keeping possession of the phone and only turning over "documentation" of certain correspondences and would "trust" that whatever Yee turned over would be an accurate depiction of those messages.
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Brady still refused.
 
rick6668 said:
Sweet J said:
squistion said:
Wells did not want to see Brady's phone or all of his messages. Told the agent Yee that he (Yee) could go through the phone records and then only had to provide those that were relevant to the investigation and that he would trust that the agent would turn over all that was relevant. There was no danger that of Tom's personal calls/texts would be seen by Wells, let alone the public.
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Read that somewhere the other day. Was wondering if it was true. If so, makes Brady look pretty bad.
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Everybody keeps mentioning turning over his phone.

Wells says he never asked for Brady's phone in any capacity but rather was fine with Yee keeping possession of the phone and only turning over "documentation" of certain correspondences and would "trust" that whatever Yee turned over would be an accurate depiction of those messages.
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Brady still refused.
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Don't they have any correspondence/texts between Brady and the locker room guy? What did they need from Brady?

 
Mile High said:
Ned said:
Mile High said:
I don't have 2 footballs. Has anyone here tried the tell the difference from 12.5 to 11.5 psi?
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Mike and Mike did this a while ago and couldn't tell the difference, FWIW.
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That's what I was wondering? Seems like a big to do about nothing.
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You and I are in the minority on this, it seems.

I think it is indeed much ado about not much, and I don't think Brady should have been suspended.

 
Sweet J said:
My posts may be influenced by the fact that I heard Wells interviewed this morning, and he came across as a grade-A jackhole.
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Everyone involved with this has come across pretty bad. Kraft sounds like a huge ****, Brady seems squirrely and not believable, Goddell just seems like himself sanctimonious and full of crap. Didn't hear the Wells interview just read parts that seemed reasonable to me.

Honestly Belichick, who is usually about as likable as a sore throat, came across the best to me in his science report press conference.

 
The General said:
Sweet J said:
My posts may be influenced by the fact that I heard Wells interviewed this morning, and he came across as a grade-A jackhole.
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Everyone involved with this has come across pretty bad. Kraft sounds like a huge ****, Brady seems squirrely and not believable, Goddell just seems like himself sanctimonious and full of crap. Didn't hear the Wells interview just read parts that seemed reasonable to me.

Honestly Belichick, who is usually about as likable as a sore throat, came across the best to me in his science report press conference.
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FWIW, I had the same reaction to Wells as Sweet J. In writing, everything from him reads completely fine. He's not very well-spoken though.

And I agree with you completely on Belichick. He's carried himself remarkably well during this little episode.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
The General said:
Sweet J said:
My posts may be influenced by the fact that I heard Wells interviewed this morning, and he came across as a grade-A jackhole.
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Everyone involved with this has come across pretty bad. Kraft sounds like a huge ****, Brady seems squirrely and not believable, Goddell just seems like himself sanctimonious and full of crap. Didn't hear the Wells interview just read parts that seemed reasonable to me.

Honestly Belichick, who is usually about as likable as a sore throat, came across the best to me in his science report press conference.
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FWIW, I had the same reaction to Wells as Sweet J. In writing, everything from him reads completely fine. He's not very well-spoken though.

And I agree with you completely on Belichick. He's carried himself remarkably well during this little episode.
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I want to start off by again saying I'm not a Brady fan. That said, I don't think he's come off bad. I mean, I know people are saying he has, but everything I've seen with him has been fine to me. :shrug:

 
Ned said:
Mile High said:
I don't have 2 footballs. Has anyone here tried the tell the difference from 12.5 to 11.5 psi?
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Mike and Mike did this a while ago and couldn't tell the difference, FWIW.
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On Chris Matthews show he had a roundtable discussion with two journalists (one a sportswriter) and Michael Steele (former RNC Chairman). He presented them two balls, one at 12.5 psi the other at 11.5 and all three were able to pick out the 11.5 psi ball, FWIW.

 
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TheIronSheik said:
IvanKaramazov said:
The General said:
Sweet J said:
My posts may be influenced by the fact that I heard Wells interviewed this morning, and he came across as a grade-A jackhole.
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Everyone involved with this has come across pretty bad. Kraft sounds like a huge ****, Brady seems squirrely and not believable, Goddell just seems like himself sanctimonious and full of crap. Didn't hear the Wells interview just read parts that seemed reasonable to me.

Honestly Belichick, who is usually about as likable as a sore throat, came across the best to me in his science report press conference.
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FWIW, I had the same reaction to Wells as Sweet J. In writing, everything from him reads completely fine. He's not very well-spoken though.

And I agree with you completely on Belichick. He's carried himself remarkably well during this little episode.
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I want to start off by again saying I'm not a Brady fan. That said, I don't think he's come off bad. I mean, I know people are saying he has, but everything I've seen with him has been fine to me. :shrug:
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In the press conference and the interview with Costas are the two times I've seen him talking about this and he seemed to be completely unbelievable to me especially with the info we have from this report.
 
The General said:
TheIronSheik said:
IvanKaramazov said:
The General said:
Sweet J said:
My posts may be influenced by the fact that I heard Wells interviewed this morning, and he came across as a grade-A jackhole.
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Everyone involved with this has come across pretty bad. Kraft sounds like a huge ****, Brady seems squirrely and not believable, Goddell just seems like himself sanctimonious and full of crap. Didn't hear the Wells interview just read parts that seemed reasonable to me.

Honestly Belichick, who is usually about as likable as a sore throat, came across the best to me in his science report press conference.
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FWIW, I had the same reaction to Wells as Sweet J. In writing, everything from him reads completely fine. He's not very well-spoken though.

And I agree with you completely on Belichick. He's carried himself remarkably well during this little episode.
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I want to start off by again saying I'm not a Brady fan. That said, I don't think he's come off bad. I mean, I know people are saying he has, but everything I've seen with him has been fine to me. :shrug:
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In the press conference and the interview with Costas are the two times I've seen him talking about this and he seemed to be completely unbelievable to me especially with the info we have from this report.
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I didn't see the Costas interview, but in the press conference he came across as a guy who couldn't believe he was being investigated for something like this. If he's innocent, I don't think his demeanor comes off as bad at all.

 
I suspect that it's a lot more difficult on the field when you receive the hiked ball and have about 4 & 1/2 seconds to get rid of it before some roid head crushes you.

squistion said:
Ned said:
Mile High said:
I don't have 2 footballs. Has anyone here tried the tell the difference from 12.5 to 11.5 psi?
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Mike and Mike did this a while ago and couldn't tell the difference, FWIW.
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On Chris Matthews show he had a roundtable discussion with two journalists (one a sportswriter) and Michael Steele (former RNC Chairman). He presented them two balls, one at 12.5 psi the other at 11.5 and all of three were able to pick out the 11.5 psi ball, FWIW.
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By the way, I :lmao: at those Pats fans playing the "you're jealous" card. Here's a short list of team who probably aren't jealous of the Patriots:

Steelers

49ers

Cowboys

Packers

Giants

I'm sure there might be others...

 
brun said:
I suspect that it's a lot more difficult on the field when you receive the hiked ball and have about 4 & 1/2 seconds to get rid of it before some roid head crushes you.

squistion said:
Ned said:
Mile High said:
I don't have 2 footballs. Has anyone here tried the tell the difference from 12.5 to 11.5 psi?
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Mike and Mike did this a while ago and couldn't tell the difference, FWIW.
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On Chris Matthews show he had a roundtable discussion with two journalists (one a sportswriter) and Michael Steele (former RNC Chairman). He presented them two balls, one at 12.5 psi the other at 11.5 and all of three were able to pick out the 11.5 psi ball, FWIW.
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And if you aren't specifically trying to tell the difference.

 
TheIronSheik said:
IvanKaramazov said:
The General said:
Sweet J said:
My posts may be influenced by the fact that I heard Wells interviewed this morning, and he came across as a grade-A jackhole.
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Everyone involved with this has come across pretty bad. Kraft sounds like a huge ****, Brady seems squirrely and not believable, Goddell just seems like himself sanctimonious and full of crap. Didn't hear the Wells interview just read parts that seemed reasonable to me.

Honestly Belichick, who is usually about as likable as a sore throat, came across the best to me in his science report press conference.
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FWIW, I had the same reaction to Wells as Sweet J. In writing, everything from him reads completely fine. He's not very well-spoken though.

And I agree with you completely on Belichick. He's carried himself remarkably well during this little episode.
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I want to start off by again saying I'm not a Brady fan. That said, I don't think he's come off bad. I mean, I know people are saying he has, but everything I've seen with him has been fine to me. :shrug:
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Read the Costas interview again now that the Wells report was released.

http://nbcsportsgrouppressbox.com/2015/02/01/transcript-bob-costas-interview-with-tom-brady-on-deflategate/

Bob Costas: “The league’s investigation will not be concluded until after the Super Bowl. So these are questions, not accusations. If Tom Brady can tell the difference between 12.5, which is the minimum allowable, and 13.5 which is the maximum allowable, and if the ball was inflated to something less than 12.5, 11 or 11.5, wouldn’t he have been able to feel that? He’s a pro. He’s been doing it his whole life. Wouldn’t he be aware?”

Tom Brady: “Well, I think that’s — you know, it’s all up to the individual. On that particular night, you know, I was facing a great defense. You know, it was a wet, chilly night. It was — you know, things are happening pretty quick. So, you know, the last thing I was thinking about was — was, you know, how the ball was inflated. I thought I was trying to deal with the — how I — how the ball felt in my hand. And — like I said, it felt pretty good all night.”

Costas: “Another question frequently asked, whether it be an equipment guy, a ball boy, whatever — hard to believe that that person wouldn’t deflate the ball beneath 12.5, the minimum allowable, without at least having the notion that that’s how Tom Brady wants it, whether you told him that or not. Is that a fair assumption?”

Brady: “Absolutely, I think that’s — absolutely — you know, I could understand why people feel that way. You know, there’s an investigation going on. I’m sure all the things will come out. It’s been a lot of speculation. And I think that’s what led to my hurt feelings. You know, hopefully the facts come out. And — you know, we understand that — you know, whatever happened, happened. And you know, it’s not going to have an effect on this game. And you know, we can move forward.”

Costas: “Are you confident that in the end that fans will be able to say, ‘I have no doubt about Tom Brady, that he’s on the up and up?’”

Brady: “I think — look, everybody’s entitled to an opinion. \And, you know, when you play for one NFL team, there’s 31 other NFL teams out there. And they’re probably not much of a fan of you. I mean, if people want to feel whatever they feel, that’ s — it — I have no problem with that. They’re certainly entitled to those beliefs and those feelings. I realize it’s not about me. Not a lot of people know who I am and know what I’m about. And the people that do — you know, they do know what I’m about and what I stand for.”

Costas: “If the Patriots didn’t have the past history with Spygate or whatever and however people may feel about Bill Belichick, do you subscribe to that belief that it’s closer to gamesmanship than it is to anything worse than that?”

Brady: “Well, like I said, I — I’d like to just wait for the facts to come out before, you know, you — you– you can talk about anything of those things. You know, in some ways to make judgments based on things that I know nothing about — you know, is — is not really fair to whatever the process will end up being. We’re under tough scrutiny, you know…we’ve won a lot of games, and people are very critical of what we do, and they’re critical of a lot of teams. Part of being in this profession is that you’ve got to take the good with the bad. But I’m O.K with it. Our team is O.K. with it. We’ve had great focus this week. Hopefully our best is going to come through on Sunday night, and that’s where our focus has got to be.”

Costas: “And what I hear you saying is, no matter what may or may not have happened, you had no prior knowledge of it.”

Brady: “I…you know, look, I’ve talked about that in the past, and I don’t want that to continue to be a story about this particular game. All the facts will come out after the Super Bowl, and however those facts come out, you know, that will be news to me as well. So that process will all take place at some point. I’m excited about the Super Bowl, and that’s where my energy is. I think there was a little bit of an energy drain, like I said, with my emotions and feelings being involved earlier in the week, but, you know, I’ve got to be able to move past those things and compartmentalize those things, and be mentally tough enough to go out there try to shine through.”


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That looks bad.

 
rick6668 said:
TheIronSheik said:
IvanKaramazov said:
The General said:
Sweet J said:
My posts may be influenced by the fact that I heard Wells interviewed this morning, and he came across as a grade-A jackhole.
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Everyone involved with this has come across pretty bad. Kraft sounds like a huge ****, Brady seems squirrely and not believable, Goddell just seems like himself sanctimonious and full of crap. Didn't hear the Wells interview just read parts that seemed reasonable to me.

Honestly Belichick, who is usually about as likable as a sore throat, came across the best to me in his science report press conference.
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FWIW, I had the same reaction to Wells as Sweet J. In writing, everything from him reads completely fine. He's not very well-spoken though.

And I agree with you completely on Belichick. He's carried himself remarkably well during this little episode.
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I want to start off by again saying I'm not a Brady fan. That said, I don't think he's come off bad. I mean, I know people are saying he has, but everything I've seen with him has been fine to me. :shrug:
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Read the Costas interview again now that the Wells report was released.

http://nbcsportsgrouppressbox.com/2015/02/01/transcript-bob-costas-interview-with-tom-brady-on-deflategate/

Bob Costas: “The league’s investigation will not be concluded until after the Super Bowl. So these are questions, not accusations. If Tom Brady can tell the difference between 12.5, which is the minimum allowable, and 13.5 which is the maximum allowable, and if the ball was inflated to something less than 12.5, 11 or 11.5, wouldn’t he have been able to feel that? He’s a pro. He’s been doing it his whole life. Wouldn’t he be aware?”

Tom Brady: “Well, I think that’s — you know, it’s all up to the individual. On that particular night, you know, I was facing a great defense. You know, it was a wet, chilly night. It was — you know, things are happening pretty quick. So, you know, the last thing I was thinking about was — was, you know, how the ball was inflated. I thought I was trying to deal with the — how I — how the ball felt in my hand. And — like I said, it felt pretty good all night.”

Costas: “Another question frequently asked, whether it be an equipment guy, a ball boy, whatever — hard to believe that that person wouldn’t deflate the ball beneath 12.5, the minimum allowable, without at least having the notion that that’s how Tom Brady wants it, whether you told him that or not. Is that a fair assumption?”

Brady: “Absolutely, I think that’s — absolutely — you know, I could understand why people feel that way. You know, there’s an investigation going on. I’m sure all the things will come out. It’s been a lot of speculation. And I think that’s what led to my hurt feelings. You know, hopefully the facts come out. And — you know, we understand that — you know, whatever happened, happened. And you know, it’s not going to have an effect on this game. And you know, we can move forward.”

Costas: “Are you confident that in the end that fans will be able to say, ‘I have no doubt about Tom Brady, that he’s on the up and up?’”

Brady: “I think — look, everybody’s entitled to an opinion. \And, you know, when you play for one NFL team, there’s 31 other NFL teams out there. And they’re probably not much of a fan of you. I mean, if people want to feel whatever they feel, that’ s — it — I have no problem with that. They’re certainly entitled to those beliefs and those feelings. I realize it’s not about me. Not a lot of people know who I am and know what I’m about. And the people that do — you know, they do know what I’m about and what I stand for.”

Costas: “If the Patriots didn’t have the past history with Spygate or whatever and however people may feel about Bill Belichick, do you subscribe to that belief that it’s closer to gamesmanship than it is to anything worse than that?”

Brady: “Well, like I said, I — I’d like to just wait for the facts to come out before, you know, you — you– you can talk about anything of those things. You know, in some ways to make judgments based on things that I know nothing about — you know, is — is not really fair to whatever the process will end up being. We’re under tough scrutiny, you know…we’ve won a lot of games, and people are very critical of what we do, and they’re critical of a lot of teams. Part of being in this profession is that you’ve got to take the good with the bad. But I’m O.K with it. Our team is O.K. with it. We’ve had great focus this week. Hopefully our best is going to come through on Sunday night, and that’s where our focus has got to be.”

Costas: “And what I hear you saying is, no matter what may or may not have happened, you had no prior knowledge of it.”

Brady: “I…you know, look, I’ve talked about that in the past, and I don’t want that to continue to be a story about this particular game. All the facts will come out after the Super Bowl, and however those facts come out, you know, that will be news to me as well. So that process will all take place at some point. I’m excited about the Super Bowl, and that’s where my energy is. I think there was a little bit of an energy drain, like I said, with my emotions and feelings being involved earlier in the week, but, you know, I’ve got to be able to move past those things and compartmentalize those things, and be mentally tough enough to go out there try to shine through.”


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That's hard to read, you know. You know, with him, you know, saying "you know", so many, you know, times.

 
Sweet J said:
Koya said:
Sweet J said:
squistion said:
Wells did not want to see Brady's phone or all of his messages. Told the agent Yee that he (Yee) could go through the phone records and then only had to provide those that were relevant to the investigation and that he would trust that the agent would turn over all that was relevant. There was no danger that of Tom's personal calls/texts would be seen by Wells, let alone the public.
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Read that somewhere the other day. Was wondering if it was true. If so, makes Brady look pretty bad.
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Huh? How do you trust the investigatee to just give the smoking gun to the investigator?
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I know this isn't a court of law, but that's how it works. You serve "document requests," and you trust the other side (the other side's attorney, really) to give up all the relevant documents. So yes, *if* this is true, Wells would be trusting Yee's integrity, not Brady's. (theoretically, Yee's integrity is worth more to him than it would be worth to hide relevant information).
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I find it a bit questionable. I'm not sure why Brady would say no. I'd be interested if Yee confirms this.

 
TheIronSheik said:
The General said:
TheIronSheik said:
IvanKaramazov said:
The General said:
Sweet J said:
My posts may be influenced by the fact that I heard Wells interviewed this morning, and he came across as a grade-A jackhole.
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Everyone involved with this has come across pretty bad. Kraft sounds like a huge ****, Brady seems squirrely and not believable, Goddell just seems like himself sanctimonious and full of crap. Didn't hear the Wells interview just read parts that seemed reasonable to me.

Honestly Belichick, who is usually about as likable as a sore throat, came across the best to me in his science report press conference.
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FWIW, I had the same reaction to Wells as Sweet J. In writing, everything from him reads completely fine. He's not very well-spoken though.

And I agree with you completely on Belichick. He's carried himself remarkably well during this little episode.
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I want to start off by again saying I'm not a Brady fan. That said, I don't think he's come off bad. I mean, I know people are saying he has, but everything I've seen with him has been fine to me. :shrug:
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In the press conference and the interview with Costas are the two times I've seen him talking about this and he seemed to be completely unbelievable to me especially with the info we have from this report.
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I didn't see the Costas interview, but in the press conference he came across as a guy who couldn't believe he was being investigated for something like this. If he's innocent, I don't think his demeanor comes off as bad at all.
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Knowing that this had been going on for at least a season (guy being called the deflator and those texts) and that other players, and teams could tell the balls were squishy I'm just not buying that Brady couldn't tell the balls were low this which was the line he was selling in the press conference.

During Costas interview he was just dodgy and wouldn't answer questions directly.

Those equipment guys are about to meet the underside of the bus.

 
Tom Servo said:
By the way, I :lmao: at those Pats fans playing the "you're jealous" card. Here's a short list of team who probably aren't jealous of the Patriots:

Steelers

49ers

Cowboys

Packers

Giants

I'm sure there might be others...
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2 of these teams haven't won a Super Bowl in the lifetime of many of their fans.

 
Every time someone reposts the Costas interview. It makes it pretty clear people are more upset that he didn't say what people wanted to hear, than what he may have actually done.

Its kind of, like you know, a complete joke.

People want him to say he did or didn't do it. He makes it abundantly clear before, during and after this interview that he doesn't care what you think.

And that bothers people more than whether he tarnished the integrity of the league.

 
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The General said:
Knowing that this had been going on for at least a season (guy being called the deflator and those texts) and that other players, and teams could tell the balls were squishy I'm just not buying that Brady couldn't tell the balls were low this which was the line he was selling in the press conference.During Costas interview he was just dodgy and wouldn't answer questions directly.

Those equipment guys are about to meet the underside of the bus.
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Just to be clear, I'm not saying everyone should feel how I do. And I totally understand why people don't feel the same way I do. I think it all comes down to what you believe and what you don't.

 
Run It Up said:
People want him to say he did or didn't do it. He makes it abundantly clear before, during and after this interview that he doesn't care what you think.

And that bothers people more than whether he tarnished the integrity of the league.
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Probably because it suggests that he doesn't care about tarnishing the integrity of the league.

 
TheIronSheik said:
The General said:
Knowing that this had been going on for at least a season (guy being called the deflator and those texts) and that other players, and teams could tell the balls were squishy I'm just not buying that Brady couldn't tell the balls were low this which was the line he was selling in the press conference.

During Costas interview he was just dodgy and wouldn't answer questions directly.

Those equipment guys are about to meet the underside of the bus.
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Just to be clear, I'm not saying everyone should feel how I do. And I totally understand why people don't feel the same way I do. I think it all comes down to what you believe and what you don't.
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Yup. Agreed.
 
There was also the interview where he was asked directly if Tom Brady is a cheater, and said "I don't think so." Who the hell answers that question that way if he thinks he's innocent of any wrongdoing?

 
IvanKaramazov said:
The General said:
Sweet J said:
My posts may be influenced by the fact that I heard Wells interviewed this morning, and he came across as a grade-A jackhole.
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Everyone involved with this has come across pretty bad. Kraft sounds like a huge ****, Brady seems squirrely and not believable, Goddell just seems like himself sanctimonious and full of crap. Didn't hear the Wells interview just read parts that seemed reasonable to me.

Honestly Belichick, who is usually about as likable as a sore throat, came across the best to me in his science report press conference.
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FWIW, I had the same reaction to Wells as Sweet J. In writing, everything from him reads completely fine. He's not very well-spoken though.

And I agree with you completely on Belichick. He's carried himself remarkably well during this little episode.
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The problem is that Wells comes across as super aggressive and angry. Almost on the attack.

This is really stupid. If he has solid facts behind him, then let the facts stand on their own. His whole appeal is that he is supposed to be an "impartial investigator." I.e., he doesn't have a dog in the fight, he's just searching for the truth.

I get that he's angry that his report is under attack, but by attacking back it just gives the impression that he's not "impartial" after all, and that this is personal. Just bad form.

 
Tom Servo said:
Niles Standish said:
Tom Servo said:
By the way, I :lmao: at those Pats fans playing the "you're jealous" card. Here's a short list of team who probably aren't jealous of the Patriots:

Steelers

49ers

Cowboys

Packers

Giants

I'm sure there might be others...
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2 of these teams haven't won a Super Bowl in the lifetime of many of their fans.
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The Cowboys and 49ers have teenage fans?
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20+ years for SF 19+ for Dallas. Getting to be a bit of a drought.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
There was also the interview where he was asked directly if Tom Brady is a cheater, and said "I don't think so." Who the hell answers that question that way if he thinks he's innocent of any wrongdoing?
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if he found out he had played with illegal balls, but didn't know it at the time, then "I don't think so" is a reasonable answer
 
Sweet J said:
OK, I haven't read the report, but I heard Wells interviewed this morning. Maybe someone can clarify for me:

Wells said that a big factor in his decision was the fact that one of the text messages from the equipment guy, he called himself "the Deflator."

So my questions:

1) Isn't it perfectly ok for the equipment guy to deflate the balls (hence, the "Deflator" name), as long as he was deflating them within the spectrum that is allowable? So, deflating the balls from 14 psi to 12:5 psi. Basically, if Tom wanted the balls deflated to JUST within the limits. So I don't see how this text on its own proves anything. Are there other texts that haven't been reported or I haven't seen?

2) When I think about handing over the phone, I think back to the Richie Incognito thing. He handed over his phone, only to see horribly, horribly embarrassing texts broadcast to all of the free world. When he handed over his phone, did he know that the contents of ALL of his texts would be publicized? So, let's say Tom was texting girls not named Giselle, or he was texting buddies ragging on Bellechic or Kraft or even teamates. Did Brady have any guarantee that those wouldn't be broadcast to the known world?
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"Deflator" could mean that he can deflate Tom's rating with watermelons.

 
squistion said:
Sweet J said:
TheIronSheik said:
Sweet J said:
OK, I haven't read the report, but I heard Wells interviewed this morning. Maybe someone can clarify for me: Wells said that a big factor in his decision was the fact that one of the text messages from the equipment guy, he called himself "the Deflator." So my questions: 1) Isn't it perfectly ok for the equipment guy to deflate the balls (hence, the "Deflator" name), as long as he was deflating them within the spectrum that is allowable? So, deflating the balls from 14 psi to 12:5 psi. Basically, if Tom wanted the balls deflated to JUST within the limits. So I don't see how this text on its own proves anything. Are there other texts that haven't been reported or I haven't seen? 2) When I think about handing over the phone, I think back to the Richie Incognito thing. He handed over his phone, only to see horribly, horribly embarrassing texts broadcast to all of the free world. When he handed over his phone, did he know that the contents of ALL of his texts would be publicized? So, let's say Tom was texting girls not named Giselle, or he was texting buddies ragging on Bellechic or Kraft or even teamates. Did Brady have any guarantee that those wouldn't be broadcast to the known world?
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Good points. I just don't see handing a phone over to anyone nowadays. There is so much personal info on a phone these days, from pictures to credit card info to banking info. No way anyone should hand over their phone.
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Now, a perfectly acceptable compromise, if I was Wells, would be to say: "OK, Tom, I get it. But I need to get to some truth. Why don't you come in here, and we will look through your phone records together. You get to keep everything in your hand (destroy copies, etc. etc.), and I'll be the only person who lays eyes on them. That way it serves your need for privacy and it serves my need to get to the truth." For the life of me, I don't know how this got so effed up. Actually, I do know: Both sides have HUGE egos. Which gets in the way of collaboration. So Brady looks bad, and Wells looks bad. (Which is probably the result we should have.)
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Wells did not want to see Brady's phone or all of his messages. Told the agent Yee that he (Yee) could go through the phone records and then only had to provide those that were relevant to the investigation and that he would trust that the agent would turn over all that was relevant. There was no danger that of Tom's personal calls/texts would be seen by Wells, let alone the public.
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If someone asks to go over my text messages and get printouts of "only what the think is relevant", I would worry about things getting taken out of context. If I were in Tom's place, I would just say, let me talk to my lawyer first.

I don't think any of the lawyers in FFA has chimed in yet...

 
randall146 said:
IvanKaramazov said:
There was also the interview where he was asked directly if Tom Brady is a cheater, and said "I don't think so." Who the hell answers that question that way if he thinks he's innocent of any wrongdoing?
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if he found out he had played with illegal balls, but didn't know it at the time, then "I don't think so" is a reasonable answer
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He seems to be pretty faithful to Gisele but one never knows...

 
Niles Standish said:
Tom Servo said:
Niles Standish said:
Tom Servo said:
By the way, I :lmao: at those Pats fans playing the "you're jealous" card. Here's a short list of team who probably aren't jealous of the Patriots:

Steelers

49ers

Cowboys

Packers

Giants

I'm sure there might be others...
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2 of these teams haven't won a Super Bowl in the lifetime of many of their fans.
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The Cowboys and 49ers have teenage fans?
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20+ years for SF 19+ for Dallas. Getting to be a bit of a drought.
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Tom Brady was draft pick #199. We're so lucky.

 
So, I hear the Pats may sue the NFL.

Two thoughts:

First - Pats vs Goodell is the worst matchup since, well, Pats vs Seahawks.

Second - NOW I see the end game. Goodell has a BS vague report and uses it to show the NFL won't stand for this. The Pats sue and have the report thrown out or something.

Everyone (ie Fans) lose.

 
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