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Dynasty & Redraft: WR Brandon Coleman, Saints (1 Viewer)

Rotoworld:

ESPN Saints reporter Mike Triplett reports WR Brandon Coleman is "playing faster and more at ease" this summer after struggling as a rookie.
Coleman had a tough time adjusting to the speed of the NFL as a priority UDFA last year, dropping passes on a daily basis. He was part of the Saints' final cuts and spent his entire rookie year on the practice squad. Coleman is competing with Joe Morgan, Josh Morgan and Seantavius Jones for two roster spots. Triplett calls Coleman a player "on the rise" who could become a red-zone threat.

Source: ESPN.com
Jul 28 - 8:42 PM
Saints WRs Brandon Coleman and Seantavius Jones have been "used a lot with the ones" in OTAs.

ESPN Saints reporter Mike Triplett has called Coleman and Jones players to "(keep) on your radar screen." Coleman is a massive 6-foot-6, 225 pounds, and ran a 4.56 40-yard dash at last year's Combine. Targets are there for the taking after Kenny Stills and Jimmy Graham were sent packing.

May 28 - 1:42 PM
Source: Larry Holder on Twitter
ESPN Saints reporter Mike Triplett considers second-year WR Brandon Coleman a player to keep an eye on for 2015.

A 2014 undrafted free agent out of Rutgers, Coleman stands in at a towering 6-foot-6, 225 pounds. He ran a competent 4.56 40-yard dash at last year's Combine, and caught five passes for 50 yards last preseason. With the Saints passing on drafting a receiver, the depth chart is wide open behind Brandin Cooks and Marques Colston.

May 4 - 3:02 PM
Source: ESPN.com
 
Rotoworld:

Saints WR Brandon Coleman has seen "a lot of throws" early in training camp, while mixing in with both the starters and backups.

Beat writer Mike Triplett hints Coleman has pulled ahead of Seantavius Jones in their battle for snaps. Coleman still needs to gain ground on Nick Toon and/or Marques Colston to become a 2015 fantasy factor, however. Coming out of Rutgers in 2014, Coleman ran a 4.56 forty at 6-foot-6 and 225 pounds.

Source: Mike Triplett on Twitter
 
Rotoworld:

Saints second-year WR Brandon Coleman has "consistently looked good" early in camp, and is reportedly "separating himself from the pack."

The "pack" consists of Seantavius Jones, Josh Morgan, Joe Morgan, and others. A mammoth target at 6-foot-6, 225, Coleman has been likened to Marques Colston by coach Sean Payton. Colston is being eased into training camp, so Coleman has handled some first-team reps. We'll be keeping an eye on Coleman and whether he's able to challenge Nick Toon for the No. 3 receiver job.

Source: Baton Rouge Advocate

Aug 1 - 8:55 PM
 
Can you talk about Brandon Coleman's development?

"I've said this, both he and Seantavius Jones had a year on the practice squad. Those guys are in real good shape. They were very consistent last year in their work that they gave the defense. They're both big. Brandon is smart. He knows what to do. This confidence kind of comes through reps, comes through getting reps in practice and ultimately it comes through game experience where in a game setting that matters but I thought his offseason has been very good and he is definitely in the hunt. He is performing and he is in shape. He knows what to do. I've made comparisons to Marques (Colston) maybe his rookie year but I think Brandon is doing a real good job. He is stronger now. He is healthy. When we got him he was coming off a rehab from his knee. You can see the strength in his lower body when it comes to the breaks he is making and the cuts he is making."
 
Rotoworld:

ESPN Saints reporter Mike Triplett expects WR Brandon Coleman to make the 53-man roster.

Coleman needs to translate his impressive practices to preseason games, but it's appearing increasingly likely he'll be among Sean Payton's 53. That means the question becomes if he'll beat out Nick Toon for No. 3 duties. It will be a battle to watch during exhibition action.

Source: ESPN.com
Aug 4 - 6:10 PM
 
Rotoworld:

Coach Sean Payton insisted WR Brandon Coleman was not disciplined during the Saints' preseason opener.

After tearing up training camp practices, Coleman was curiously absent from the Saints' offense, instead playing strictly on special teams. "He's doing a good job," Payton said of Coleman. Coleman should get more run in the Saints' second and third preseason games as he vies for the No. 3 wideout role.

Source: Mike Triplett on Twitter
 
Rotoworld:

Brandon Coleman - WR - Saints

Brandon Coleman, Brandin Cooks, and Marques Colston worked as the Saints' first-team three-receiver package at Saturday's practice.

It's notable that Coleman ran with the ones after he was relegated to special teams in New Orleans' preseason opener. It's also notable in that Coleman may have passed Nick Toon, something beat writers have been alluding to possibly happening. Coleman is in prime position to become a fantasy sleeper. Colston is running out of gas and Cooks -- while talented -- is unproven.

Source: Larry Holder on Twitter

Aug 15 - 7:17 PM
 
Rotoworld:

The New Orleans Times-Picayune believes Brandon Coleman is locked in as the Saints' No. 3 receiver.

Per reporter Larry Holder, Coleman has been a mainstay with Marques Colston and Brandin Cooks in three-receiver sets, and there's "no reason to believe" that will change. Coleman spent surprisingly little time with the first-team offense in last weekend's preseason opener, but coach Sean Payton has promised that will change against the Patriots on Saturday. Having left Nick Toon in the dust, Coleman is an interesting WR5 flier in re-draft leagues.

Related: Nick Toon

Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune
Aug 18 - 3:23 PM
 
Coleman is interesting because he has upside if he can become a bigger threat than Marques. Marques is getting old and Coleman has great size at 6'6 with 4.45.

 
Saints coach Sean Payton singled out second-year WR Brandon Coleman as the player who's impressed him most in training camp.It's to the point where Coleman is worth owning in pretty much every league. He has big-league size (6'6/225), adequate speed (4.56), and a place in three-receiver sets in a Drew Brees-quarterbacked offense that has lost well over 300 passing-game targets from 2014. With Jimmy Graham gone to Seattle, Coleman's target competition consists of diminutive Brandin Cooks, declining 32-year-old Marques Colston, 34-year-old Ben Watson, and injured C.J. Spiller.

Source: Britt McHenry on Twitter

Aug 19 - 8:29 PM
Color me intrigued if this guy isn't even getting drafted. Can't find a reason not to like this as a late round flyer. Going to follow the Saints games next week or two to take a closer look here.

 
he's eligible in my rookie draft as I don't think he has ever played a single regular season snap I the NFL yet.

The question is, where do you draft a guy like him? His physical attributes and his situation make him very appealing.

But is he worth a first round pick? What wrs in this class would you take him over?

Dorian green Beckham? Devante Parker? Where do you slot him?

 
Just got him off waivers after hearing the hype... Had the 6th waiver pick and luckily no one else acted on him

Know nothing about him, but now I'm intrigued

 
Wide receivers (5 or 6)

Locks: Brandin Cooks, Marques Colston

Good bet: Brandon Coleman

On the fence: Joe Morgan, Josh Morgan, Seantavius Jones, Nick Toon, Willie Snead

Long shots: Jalen Saunders, R.J. Harris, Lance Lewis

Overview: At the top of the depth chart Cooks appears to on the verge of becoming one of the more dangerous wide receivers in the NFL and Colston should continue to be Colston. The Saints are hoping Coleman can lock down the No. 3 spot, and while he’s looked the part in practices, it’s yet to translate to games.

Everything else is up for grabs.

Joe Morgan has long been a favorite of coach Sean Payton, and he was brought back this offseason after being suspended and released last season. He has good chemistry with Brees on deep passes and his ability as a blocker is somewhat underrated. Josh Morgan is also a capable blocker and brings a different set of skills to the group, as he’s more of a possession receiver than anyone else on the roster.

Jones has faded throughout camp. He could be kept around as a developmental player, but another year on the practice squad would not be a surprise. Despite a strong camp, Willie Snead is going to need to finish strong if he wants to make the roster.

Toon had the inside edge on the No. 3 receiver spot entering camp, but he failed to shut the door and is now reportedly battling an ankle injury.
 
Just got him off waivers after hearing the hype... Had the 6th waiver pick and luckily no one else acted on him

Know nothing about him, but now I'm intrigued
FWIW, Coleman had his hands on a TD pass from Brees last Saturday vs the Pats, but Devin McCourty made a great play to punch the ball out of Coleman's hands at the very last second. Some fans are upset that Coleman didn't hang on, and feel it reflected poorly on him. Others think McCourty made an awesome play on the ball, and that Coleman couldn't have done much about it.

 
Just got him off waivers after hearing the hype... Had the 6th waiver pick and luckily no one else acted on him

Know nothing about him, but now I'm intrigued
FWIW, Coleman had his hands on a TD pass from Brees last Saturday vs the Pats, but Devin McCourty made a great play to punch the ball out of Coleman's hands at the very last second. Some fans are upset that Coleman didn't hang on, and feel it reflected poorly on him. Others think McCourty made an awesome play on the ball, and that Coleman couldn't have done much about it.
It was a little bit of both. It was a great play by the DB and very few WRs would've hung on to that one given the exact same circumstance. The problem was it was a realistically catchable ball with a little bit better technique (keep the ball up high/use that 6'6" frame to your advantage....like a basketball big man taught not to bring the ball down for guys to knock it away) and just the god given vice grip type of mitts that once it's locked in there nobody is moving it anywhere.

So, one could technically say he lacked proper technique or doesn't have the special gifts to make him a great WR. Fair or not, that's how that one play is talking to people who speak negatively about it.

From my point of view, it was simply a great play by the DB and them how the ball breaks sometimes. I'm not downgrading Coleman for it.

 
Just picked him up off waivers, so wanted to get this thread in my marked thread. Will contribute more than just the "." in so doing.

Here are his measureables...http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/4348/

Very similar in height, weight, and speed to Colston who can be linked on the same page. With Colston slowing down, and Graham (the other big body) gone, the opportunity is definitely there for Coleman. Cooks is a little guy, Colston is an old guy, and Ben Watson/Josh Hill are sub par. There is a role there for the taking.

 
Just got him off waivers after hearing the hype... Had the 6th waiver pick and luckily no one else acted on him

Know nothing about him, but now I'm intrigued
FWIW, Coleman had his hands on a TD pass from Brees last Saturday vs the Pats, but Devin McCourty made a great play to punch the ball out of Coleman's hands at the very last second. Some fans are upset that Coleman didn't hang on, and feel it reflected poorly on him. Others think McCourty made an awesome play on the ball, and that Coleman couldn't have done much about it.
It was a little bit of both. It was a great play by the DB and very few WRs would've hung on to that one given the exact same circumstance. The problem was it was a realistically catchable ball with a little bit better technique (keep the ball up high/use that 6'6" frame to your advantage....like a basketball big man taught not to bring the ball down for guys to knock it away) and just the god given vice grip type of mitts that once it's locked in there nobody is moving it anywhere.

So, one could technically say he lacked proper technique or doesn't have the special gifts to make him a great WR. Fair or not, that's how that one play is talking to people who speak negatively about it.

From my point of view, it was simply a great play by the DB and them how the ball breaks sometimes. I'm not downgrading Coleman for it.
If people are willing to downgrade a rookie sleeper because he drops one pass in a preseason game, I want to be in a league with those people!

 
I own him a bunch of places, just in case. But I have to wonder, this guy is getting hype as the potential WR3 in NO right now, and a potential Colston replacement down the road.

But he hasn't even caught a ball in preseason, despite the training camp hype. Isn't that worrisome?

 
I own him a bunch of places, just in case. But I have to wonder, this guy is getting hype as the potential WR3 in NO right now, and a potential Colston replacement down the road.

But he hasn't even caught a ball in preseason, despite the training camp hype. Isn't that worrisome?
I'm an owner of both Coleman and Seantavius Jones in various leagues. Jones has actually made plays in the preseason but the team seems to favor Coleman as the #3 because he practices well. I suppose Coleman could keep the #3 job even without preseason catches (assuming they are happy with his play).

 
Just got him off waivers after hearing the hype... Had the 6th waiver pick and luckily no one else acted on him

Know nothing about him, but now I'm intrigued
FWIW, Coleman had his hands on a TD pass from Brees last Saturday vs the Pats, but Devin McCourty made a great play to punch the ball out of Coleman's hands at the very last second. Some fans are upset that Coleman didn't hang on, and feel it reflected poorly on him. Others think McCourty made an awesome play on the ball, and that Coleman couldn't have done much about it.
It was a little bit of both. It was a great play by the DB and very few WRs would've hung on to that one given the exact same circumstance. The problem was it was a realistically catchable ball with a little bit better technique (keep the ball up high/use that 6'6" frame to your advantage....like a basketball big man taught not to bring the ball down for guys to knock it away) and just the god given vice grip type of mitts that once it's locked in there nobody is moving it anywhere.So, one could technically say he lacked proper technique or doesn't have the special gifts to make him a great WR. Fair or not, that's how that one play is talking to people who speak negatively about it.

From my point of view, it was simply a great play by the DB and them how the ball breaks sometimes. I'm not downgrading Coleman for it.
If people are willing to downgrade a rookie sleeper because he drops one pass in a preseason game, I want to be in a league with those people!
He's not a rookie, 2nd yr. Spent most of last season on practice squad. Active roster last couple of games and saw some action. Just FYI.

 
Just got him off waivers after hearing the hype... Had the 6th waiver pick and luckily no one else acted on him

Know nothing about him, but now I'm intrigued
FWIW, Coleman had his hands on a TD pass from Brees last Saturday vs the Pats, but Devin McCourty made a great play to punch the ball out of Coleman's hands at the very last second. Some fans are upset that Coleman didn't hang on, and feel it reflected poorly on him. Others think McCourty made an awesome play on the ball, and that Coleman couldn't have done much about it.
It was a little bit of both. It was a great play by the DB and very few WRs would've hung on to that one given the exact same circumstance. The problem was it was a realistically catchable ball with a little bit better technique (keep the ball up high/use that 6'6" frame to your advantage....like a basketball big man taught not to bring the ball down for guys to knock it away) and just the god given vice grip type of mitts that once it's locked in there nobody is moving it anywhere.

So, one could technically say he lacked proper technique or doesn't have the special gifts to make him a great WR. Fair or not, that's how that one play is talking to people who speak negatively about it.

From my point of view, it was simply a great play by the DB and them how the ball breaks sometimes. I'm not downgrading Coleman for it.
If people are willing to downgrade a rookie sleeper because he drops one pass in a preseason game, I want to be in a league with those people!
Thing is Coleman had the rep in college and then he did it again last year in preseason, and then he had it happen again. McCourty is obviously a good player an made the play on the ball but a ball punched out is a ball that could have been held on to. And the Saints had a lot of those oooh just by the mere inch did he drop the ball plays last year, it all added up, so I was disappointed to see it happen.

However the good is the Saints from last year in PS to this preseason are throwing to him in the end zone and he gets open.

 
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Rotoworld:

Brandon Coleman caught one pass for 27 yards in the Saints' third preseason game.

Coleman ran with the Saints' first-team offense in two-wide sets, playing ahead of Marques Colston, who entered for three-wide packages at slot receiver. Coleman's lowlight was a drop on a pass from Luke McCown. His highlight was a 27-yard second-quarter gain on a deep crosser. Coleman is a legitimate threat to Colston's playing time, but his snap share remains somewhat unclear, and Coleman's lack of preseason production is a slight concern. He has one catch on four targets through three exhibition games.

Aug 30 - 6:30 PM
 
He looked really good on the catch & run. If i am thinking of the right play the throw from MCown was a rocket but he was again well covered. Thing is QBs trust receivers who catch the ones they could be excused for dropping. That guy right now is Willie Sneed. They did throw to Coleman on a broken play in the back of the end zone - bad throw. Coleman makes too much sense as a no 3 wr, problem is as RW indicates he needs a good game where catches everything and they trust him with targets.

 
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Thing is Coleman had the rep in college and then he did it again last year in preseason, and then he had it happen again. McCourty is obviously a good player an made the play on the ball but a ball punched out is a ball that could have been held on to. And the Saints had a lot of those oooh just by the mere inch did he drop the ball plays last year, it all added up, so I was disappointed to see it happen.

However the good is the Saints from last year in PS to this preseason are throwing to him in the end zone and he gets open.
You saw on that catch the potential he has. However, he's still a work in progress. Will be interesting to see how much his PT increases as the season goes along.

 
Took him in the 14th in my 1/2 PPR league draft over the weekend. Certainly seemed worth the price at that point. Sounds like Payton really likes him.

 
Saints beat writer seems to think the Saints are just limiting Colston's snaps in the preseason due to age and wear & tear.

 
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Colston's athleticism is all but gone at this point but I've also noticed that he isn't nearly as sure-handed anymore. I noticed it last year and also in a recent preseason game where he had a gimme in the end zone but just let it slip through his hands.

Here are his most recent catch rates percentages..

2011 - 75%

2012 - 64%

2013 - 68%

2014 - 60%

Not coincidentally, his RZ efficiency has seen a similar decline..

2011 - 13 RZ targets, 10 reception (77%), 4 TDs

2012 - 23 RZ targets, 17 receptions (74%), 10 TDs

2013 - 16 RZ targets, 8 receptions (50%), 3 TDs

2014 - 13 RZ targets, 6 receptions (46%), 3 TDs

I think Colston is rapidly approaching the cliff and I'm left wondering how targets are going to be distributed this year, especially at the beginning of the season if Spiller misses time. Graham specifically accounted for 26% (on average) of NO's RZ targets during his tenure and I highly doubt those all go to Watson/Hill.

Coleman is a big dude, fast for his size (similar to Benjamin) and will potentially find himself in a great situation this year. Due to the upside he's one of my favorite late round grabs this year.

 
So does anyone else have reservations here? As a flyer, sure... but this is an undrafted guy who spent all of last season on the practice squad. No other NFL team tried to sign him at any point. He's obviously had a strong camp, but is anyone else skeptical that this turns out well?

 
So does anyone else have reservations here? As a flyer, sure... but this is an undrafted guy who spent all of last season on the practice squad. No other NFL team tried to sign him at any point. He's obviously had a strong camp, but is anyone else skeptical that this turns out well?
you've described exactly what a flier is

 
So does anyone else have reservations here? As a flyer, sure... but this is an undrafted guy who spent all of last season on the practice squad. No other NFL team tried to sign him at any point. He's obviously had a strong camp, but is anyone else skeptical that this turns out well?
you've described exactly what a flier is
Touche. I have Coleman in one league... not really tied to him though. I wonder what else is there for New Orleans though. If Coleman busts, who's stepping up in that offense?

 
So does anyone else have reservations here? As a flyer, sure... but this is an undrafted guy who spent all of last season on the practice squad. No other NFL team tried to sign him at any point. He's obviously had a strong camp, but is anyone else skeptical that this turns out well?
you've described exactly what a flier is
Touche. I have Coleman in one league... not really tied to him though. I wonder what else is there for New Orleans though. If Coleman busts, who's stepping up in that offense?
Snead.

 

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