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What stopped the "Greatest Show on Turf"? (1 Viewer)
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1999: Total Yards - #1, Total Points - #1, Leading Passer - Warner, Leading Rusher - Faulk, Leading Receiver - Bruce
2000: Total Yards - #1, Total Points - #1, Leading Passer - Warner, Leading Rusher - Faulk, Leading Receiver - Holt
2001: Total Yards - #1, Total Points - #1, Leading Passer - Warner, Leading Rusher - Faulk, Leading Receiver - Holt
2002: Total Yards - #23, Total Points - #13, Leading Passer - Bulger, Leading Rusher - Faulk, Leading Receiver - Holt
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Other teams filming their walk-throughs
Now, Warner played and sucked that year, and Bulger actually played well. But what happened wasn't so much that Kurt Warner was gone. It was that THAT Kurt Warner was gone, replaced by an injury-riddled one that didn't get back to form until late career for whatever reason.
Shutout
Footballguy
Kurt Warner's bad thumb, mainly.
To answer the question more directly, I think the teams that had the most relative success against them were the teams that played a "tampa-two-like" defense. Those teams that bent, didn't break, and forced the Rams to be patient had better overall success. Teams that could generate their own offense and control the clock somewhat did well.
The teams that trotted in acting like they had their own high-scoring offense that could hang with them in a shoot out were usually the ones that got burned at the stake in quick fashion.
To answer the question more directly, I think the teams that had the most relative success against them were the teams that played a "tampa-two-like" defense. Those teams that bent, didn't break, and forced the Rams to be patient had better overall success. Teams that could generate their own offense and control the clock somewhat did well.
The teams that trotted in acting like they had their own high-scoring offense that could hang with them in a shoot out were usually the ones that got burned at the stake in quick fashion.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Warner had a thumb injury that contributed to the so called "donut years" portion of his career.
Also, Martz was a great OC. HC and personnel evaluator? Not so much. A series of brutal, heinous drafts strung together by Martz and the catastrophic, disastrous front office of Zygmunt and Shaw ran the Rams into the ground (remember Trung Canidate, Eric Crouch?).
Also, Martz was a great OC. HC and personnel evaluator? Not so much. A series of brutal, heinous drafts strung together by Martz and the catastrophic, disastrous front office of Zygmunt and Shaw ran the Rams into the ground (remember Trung Canidate, Eric Crouch?).
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fantasycurse42
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bostonfred
Footballguy
He didn't change or disguise his offense, and other coaches incorporated it into their attack. He didn't allow audibles. The timing routes could be disrupted. Screens became easier to identify and defend asmore people ripped them off. With only five men in to protect, you not only needed a qb with good pre snap reads and a lightning quick release, but a great offensive line and receivers who could beat the press.
It was an innovative system, but a lot of its success also came from warner, faulk, holt, Bruce and pace. Five elite players on the field at the same time.
It was an innovative system, but a lot of its success also came from warner, faulk, holt, Bruce and pace. Five elite players on the field at the same time.
If you want to credit another team, I think the NY Giants would be the way to go. Coughlin provided the roadmap that other teams eventually adopted en masse.
NE gets credit for engineering a hell of an upset, but I don't think anyone was tolling a death knell for the GSOT after Warner's 366 or Faulk's 130 in the SB, even if it wasn't their most scintillating performance.
Todem
Footballguy
His thumb injury was in 2000 when they were destroying defenses through 8 games. Then the thumb...and bye bye Rams season.
2001 came, Warner was back and they went to the Super Bowl....where Belecheat showed teams what you need to do.
Be very physical and hit the crap out of their WR's.
Rules all changed after that and when the Pat's would rough house Harrision and Wayne playing the Colts.
The NFL and playing hard nosed physical defense (being able to hit the crap out of QB's and WR's) has not been the same since. Now you have a lot of teams putting up ridiculous yardage against hand cuffed defenses.
2001 came, Warner was back and they went to the Super Bowl....where Belecheat showed teams what you need to do.
Be very physical and hit the crap out of their WR's.
Rules all changed after that and when the Pat's would rough house Harrision and Wayne playing the Colts.
The NFL and playing hard nosed physical defense (being able to hit the crap out of QB's and WR's) has not been the same since. Now you have a lot of teams putting up ridiculous yardage against hand cuffed defenses.
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jurb26
Footballguy
The way NE beat up the St. L WRs gets all the head lines but what really made the difference IMO was their molestation of Faulk as he tried to release on passing routes. He did manage to squirt free a few times but all in all they boxed him in pretty well. It should be noted that it was all legal at the time as well.
Todem
Footballguy
I kinda lumped Faulk in as he was so deadly being used as a receiver out of the backfield. Great point though Jurb.
It was a brilliant game plan. And one that is now not possible with today's rules. So sad how far the NFL defensive game has sunk.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
19 posts and no "ball cancer" references?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
az_prof
Footballguy
Yes. My recollection is that the first blow was Warner's thumb. He never really threw the ball same after he hurt it.
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