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At one point FanDuel had a maximum entry for a given week. Do they still?

In the last week every $1 & $2 league with a 10 team or less league has the same person in every league (I have looked at least 300 leagues in the last week with the same person in it).

Looking at RotoGrinders last year seems to be this person's first year in DFS football and had over 4,500 NFL wins and is ranked pretty high on RotoGrinders. In the last 2 weeks of last year he had won some $5,300 entries, a dozen or more $1,065/ $535 entries. Approximately 300 wins in same 2 week span of $25 entry or higher.

How much do you look at your opponents?

Do you put yourself in leagues with players like the one discussed above if you are only in the lower $$ bankroll?

 
I do tend to look at opponents in anything with say 20 or less opponents. I just try to avoid names I recognize. It's also dependent on how much time I have too. Especially if entering a 2-5 person game, I do try to "duck" certain people.

On a tangent, I know last year in DK, you could easily unjoin a certain game before it fills. I played a little preseason this week and couldn't figure out how to do that. I'm assuming there's still a way? Also, anyone know a way to look at the people already signed up for a certain game? That would be a lot easier than joining and the unjoining if I didn't like the look of it.

 
For FD go to the Contest you want to enter. Click. Then, click on the Entries tab. Shows everyone in the contest.

 
The Milk Man said:
I do tend to look at opponents in anything with say 20 or less opponents. I just try to avoid names I recognize. It's also dependent on how much time I have too. Especially if entering a 2-5 person game, I do try to "duck" certain people.

On a tangent, I know last year in DK, you could easily unjoin a certain game before it fills. I played a little preseason this week and couldn't figure out how to do that. I'm assuming there's still a way? Also, anyone know a way to look at the people already signed up for a certain game? That would be a lot easier than joining and the unjoining if I didn't like the look of it.
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On Dk, you can. Click "My Contests", "Edit", and a green "withdraw entry" is on the top right under the clock.

 
Jeff Pasquino said:
The Milk Man said:
I do tend to look at opponents in anything with say 20 or less opponents. I just try to avoid names I recognize. It's also dependent on how much time I have too. Especially if entering a 2-5 person game, I do try to "duck" certain people.

On a tangent, I know last year in DK, you could easily unjoin a certain game before it fills. I played a little preseason this week and couldn't figure out how to do that. I'm assuming there's still a way? Also, anyone know a way to look at the people already signed up for a certain game? That would be a lot easier than joining and the unjoining if I didn't like the look of it.
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On Dk, you can. Click "My Contests", "Edit", and a green "withdraw entry" is on the top right under the clock.
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Just a point of clarification, once a contest is filled, you can no longer withdraw an entry from it (to my knowledge).

Why? Imagine you post a bunch of H2H contests and a shark takes them all; you might then withdraw all of those entries, which would be commonplace across the site. H2H action would largely die if it were allowed, so most sites consider a H2H contest locked once two parties are involved. [*NOTE: DraftKings has a multiple-matchup blocker to limit the number of times an opponent can play you in a H2H format; FanDuel has no such tool/policy]

For GPP's, a similar scenario could unfold. Imagine a 100-entry $50 GPP, where a shark decides to buy 40 entries (out of 100). With 30 seconds left, that person could withdraw from 35 of those entries, leaving him left to play with 5 entries against 60 other competitors for the full prize pool, which the site would be responsible for paying out.

 
On Fanduel anyway, not sure about DraftKings you can cancel an entry. Im only in a few $1 CF Thursday events, but canceled one just to see if I could. Reading the fine print on the site:
"There are a variety of behaviors that are detrimental to FanDuel and other players on the Service. Engaging in those behaviors may result in suspension of some or all functions associated with your account. Suspended players are expected to respect the disciplinary actions imposed on their accounts and all communication regarding restoration of your account should take place via the support@fanduel.com email account."
I would imagine any action like that is going to trigger an alert in the system and Fanduel would just suspend the account midgame avoiding the liability.

Heads up is an exception though, they cant be cancelled

 
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Starting to look at some head 2 heads and the vast majority of them right now are people with thousands or tens of thousands of NFL wins. I'm assuming I want to avoid these, right? Is there any easy way to filter these professional guys out?

What about vets who create new accounts to lure newbies into their matches? Any easy way to spot these?

So far I entered 2 H2Hs against an account created in 2014 and zero total wins. Seems ok, but I'm probably still getting suckered somehow.

 
I don't even look at H2Hs in NFL anymore.

I took a quick look at the H2Hs for CFB at FanDuel yesterday -- and the listings were completely dominated by big-name pros.

I just wouldn't play H2Hs at all. Even if you can beat maxdulary, empiremake2, csuram88, or assani :bye: more than half of the time, you're not going to beat them the ~56% of the time necessary to break even against the rake.

 
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When looking for head to head I avoid anyone with lots of matchups set out. Figured those are more likely than not to be good players. I also try to track who Ive played in the past.

 
If you're playing H2H on FanDuel and using the Chrome browser, there's a great browser plugin that will color code all the available H2H opponents based on experience.

 
Walking Boot said:
I'm brand new to this this season. Not easy to figure out who's an expert and who's an easy opponent. I did notice who had tons of open games and tried to stay away from them in H2H. Like, a $1000 game, a couple $500 games, couple hundred $5 games, etc. Tried entering some names on Rotogrinders but none of the ones I was thinking of going against were listed there.

However, last night I noticed that one of the guys I'm playing against put PIT WR Marcus Wheaton in his lineup in the "flex" spot. That's, like, bad lineup construction, right? Takes away the ability to use the flex later if someone's injured and is a late scratch Sunday.

So I figure I should keep an eye out for this opponent in the future and hammer whatever he's offering in H2H.
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The experts are the ones who have tons of NFL wins on their profiles. I suppose a pro could always make a new account to fool people into playing them but I read that they were trying to curb that somehow.

What I dont know what to do with are the guys who show tons of NBA and MLB wins but zero NFL wins. I'm avoiding those as well.

I'd suggest going for 50/50s. The newb/expert ratio in those seems to be in our favor.

 
Scoresman said:
Walking Boot said:
I'm brand new to this this season. Not easy to figure out who's an expert and who's an easy opponent. I did notice who had tons of open games and tried to stay away from them in H2H. Like, a $1000 game, a couple $500 games, couple hundred $5 games, etc. Tried entering some names on Rotogrinders but none of the ones I was thinking of going against were listed there.

However, last night I noticed that one of the guys I'm playing against put PIT WR Marcus Wheaton in his lineup in the "flex" spot. That's, like, bad lineup construction, right? Takes away the ability to use the flex later if someone's injured and is a late scratch Sunday.

So I figure I should keep an eye out for this opponent in the future and hammer whatever he's offering in H2H.
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The experts are the ones who have tons of NFL wins on their profiles. I suppose a pro could always make a new account to fool people into playing them but I read that they were trying to curb that somehow.

What I dont know what to do with are the guys who show tons of NBA and MLB wins but zero NFL wins. I'm avoiding those as well.

I'd suggest going for 50/50s. The newb/expert ratio in those seems to be in our favor.
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I'm moving away from H2H as well this year. Last year my cash games was split about 50/50 between H2H and double ups and 50/50s. This year I think the split may be more like 75/25 with the H2H being the 25.

 
Does anyone play in small leagues?

I like the idea of choosing a small 10 man leagues with all or mostly newbs.

Edit: Sorry, meant leagues.

 
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In my H2H's I always create/host the games. I betting that most of the easy money or lower bankrollers are out there entering H2Hs and not creating the H2H's. Also doubt many of the pros are manually going through and entering a bunch of $1-$2-$5-$10 H2H games.

In the smaller leagues, I may take a quick peak, but that's the only time I ever look.

 
Why would you play H2H at all unless it's against what looks like a total newbie?

Just play 50/50s and double-ups with the largest fields you can and you don't have to worry about being sharked.

 
17seconds said:
Why would you play H2H at all unless it's against what looks like a total newbie?

Just play 50/50s and double-ups with the largest fields you can and you don't have to worry about being sharked.
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I play with only one lineup per week in cash games and play H2H in conjunction with 50/50s to spread out the risk.

 
What's the consensus on exactly when to enter the cheap 50/50s or double ups to get the best advantage?

- Early in the week, hoping people set lineups once and dont update later?

- Really close to gametime on Sunday hoping to get the newbies who havent done any research?

 
Scoresman said:
What's the consensus on exactly when to enter the cheap 50/50s or double ups to get the best advantage?

- Early in the week, hoping people set lineups once and dont update later?

- Really close to gametime on Sunday hoping to get the newbies who havent done any research?
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nastynate said:
In my H2H's I always create/host the games. I betting that most of the easy money or lower bankrollers are out there entering H2Hs and not creating the H2H's. Also doubt many of the pros are manually going through and entering a bunch of $1-$2-$5-$10 H2H games.

In the smaller leagues, I may take a quick peak, but that's the only time I ever look.
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Just an observation this year on Fanduel. I have about 1000 wins. I am having a field day on H2Hs this year by creating the contests. My opponents are below 50 wins in 95% of my contests. On the other hand, my best friend started this year, and as a test we both put out 5 H2Hs at the same time. His filled in seconds and all his opponents had wins in the thousands. Mine took 30 mins and were all new players.

This week he tried joining H2Hs with opponents under 100 wins who created games. I stayed with creating the contests. We both had about 30 H2Hs each, split between $2 and $5 contests. My average opponent score was 124 for the week. His was 146.

I know this is small sample size but I think players creating are in general going to be better prepared than those joining H2Hs. I also think I'm in the sweet spot for creating by way of # of wins. Enough to keep the BOTs off of me, but not so many as to run off the new players searching for opponents. My advice to my buddy was just stay with Double ups and 50/50s for $1-$2 until his win total gets high enough to keep the BOTs away.

 
i just hit over 1,000 wins. I usually play a lot of 50/50 games and cherry pick H2H. I really did not look at much prior to last year and learned the hard way if you post games with only a few wins they tend to get swallowed up by sharks.

I am thinking now with 1,000+ wins they won't get taken as easy by sharks. 70% win rate since week 4 last year but playing conservative hand picking H2H and 3-5 player leagues with mostly 50/50 games. At this point if I post 50 games in a $1or$2 league are they taken by mostly random newbies?

 
Pantherz said:
nastynate said:
In my H2H's I always create/host the games. I betting that most of the easy money or lower bankrollers are out there entering H2Hs and not creating the H2H's. Also doubt many of the pros are manually going through and entering a bunch of $1-$2-$5-$10 H2H games.

In the smaller leagues, I may take a quick peak, but that's the only time I ever look.
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Just an observation this year on Fanduel. I have about 1000 wins. I am having a field day on H2Hs this year by creating the contests. My opponents are below 50 wins in 95% of my contests. On the other hand, my best friend started this year, and as a test we both put out 5 H2Hs at the same time. His filled in seconds and all his opponents had wins in the thousands. Mine took 30 mins and were all new players.

This week he tried joining H2Hs with opponents under 100 wins who created games. I stayed with creating the contests. We both had about 30 H2Hs each, split between $2 and $5 contests. My average opponent score was 124 for the week. His was 146.

I know this is small sample size but I think players creating are in general going to be better prepared than those joining H2Hs. I also think I'm in the sweet spot for creating by way of # of wins. Enough to keep the BOTs off of me, but not so many as to run off the new players searching for opponents. My advice to my buddy was just stay with Double ups and 50/50s for $1-$2 until his win total gets high enough to keep the BOTs away.
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I have found this to be the case with every sport. Once you have a decent number of wins, your best bet is to post your games.

 
topman said:
i just hit over 1,000 wins. I usually play a lot of 50/50 games and cherry pick H2H. I really did not look at much prior to last year and learned the hard way if you post games with only a few wins they tend to get swallowed up by sharks.

I am thinking now with 1,000+ wins they won't get taken as easy by sharks. 70% win rate since week 4 last year but playing conservative hand picking H2H and 3-5 player leagues with mostly 50/50 games. At this point if I post 50 games in a $1or$2 league are they taken by mostly random newbies?
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I usually don't put out too many at one time. I know that when I was looking for H2Hs I would avoid guys laying out a huge number of games, even if their wins were pretty low. I put 6-9 games out and let them fill, rinse and repeat until I get how many I want. It may not be necessary, but that's what I do.

 
topman said:
i just hit over 1,000 wins. I usually play a lot of 50/50 games and cherry pick H2H. I really did not look at much prior to last year and learned the hard way if you post games with only a few wins they tend to get swallowed up by sharks.

I am thinking now with 1,000+ wins they won't get taken as easy by sharks. 70% win rate since week 4 last year but playing conservative hand picking H2H and 3-5 player leagues with mostly 50/50 games. At this point if I post 50 games in a $1or$2 league are they taken by mostly random newbies?
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So how are you picking them on DK? I've just been looking up the person on RG and if they aren't there aren't high on the leader board I'll pick it up. For Fanduel I got the Chrome plug-in that does that for me and I try to grab some of the h2hs with a lower number of wins.

I still can't understand why they let guys like csuram , make it rain, and assani make $1 h2hs when they have posted $1000 h2hs

 
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freeannyong said:
topman said:
i just hit over 1,000 wins. I usually play a lot of 50/50 games and cherry pick H2H. I really did not look at much prior to last year and learned the hard way if you post games with only a few wins they tend to get swallowed up by sharks.

I am thinking now with 1,000+ wins they won't get taken as easy by sharks. 70% win rate since week 4 last year but playing conservative hand picking H2H and 3-5 player leagues with mostly 50/50 games. At this point if I post 50 games in a $1or$2 league are they taken by mostly random newbies?
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So how are you picking them on DK? I've just been looking up the person on RG and if they aren't there aren't high on the leader board I'll pick it up.For Fanduel I got the Chrome plug-in that does that for me and I try to grab some of the h2hs with a lower number of wins.

I still can't understand why they let guys like csuram , make it rain, and assani make $1 h2hs when they have posted $1000 h2hs
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I do not play on Draft Kings. I agree you can look it up on Roto grinders but have not put in the extra time going back and forth. It is too easy to pick out the games on Fanduel that I feel I have a better chance of winning. It is not like there have been an absence of games. I have picked over 120 for tonight with very little effort and shortly before the game starts the last few weeks there are usually dozens of games with players with very few wins.

 
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