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August 28th MFL Designation Changes (1 Viewer)

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The following player position changes will be made on Friday, Aug 28th, to bring our player database up-to-date with the Rotoworld.com depth charts:

  • ARI: Rodney Gunter from DE to DT
  • ARI: Ed Stinson from DT to DE
  • BUF: Red Bryant from DE to DT
  • BUF: IK Enemkpali from LB to DE
  • BUF: Kyle Williams from DE to DT
  • CHI: Jay Ratliff from DE to DT
  • CHI: Ego Ferguson from DT to DE
  • CLE: Armonty Bryant from DE to LB
  • KC : Mike Catapano from LB to DE
  • MIA: Tony Lippett from WR to CB
  • NO : Hau'oli Kikaha from LB to DE
  • NO : Parys Haralson from LB to DE
  • NO : Kevin Williams from DE to DT
  • NYJ: Darrin Walls from CB to S
  • OAK: Justin Ellis from DT to DE
  • OAK: C.J. Wilson from DT to DE
  • OAK: Stacy McGee from DT to DE
  • OAK: Benson Mayowa from DE to LB
  • OAK: Max Valles from DE to LB
  • PHI: Jaylen Watkins from S to CB
 
Kikaha with a DL designation is interesting if he still plays strong side Linebacker.

Still no Khalil Mack change.

 
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Kikaha with a DL designation is interesting if he still plays strong side Linebacker.

Still no Khalil Mack change.
I haven't seen any games but was he playing DE in them?

Khalil Mack has been practicing "a ton" at defensive end in new coach Jack Del Rio's scheme.
Per beat writer Scott Bair, Mack has worked at end "in the base defense, sub packages, and even during individual drills." Mack primarily aligned at Sam linebacker as a rookie, finishing third in Defensive ROY voting. A Rotoworld depth-chart change could be in order if Mack plays defensive end for a sustained stretch in the preseason and/or early in regular season.
 
I think Kikaha will be playing both LB and DE, I certainly don't see him challenging the top DE's but I think this will put him top 10-15 due to tackles. How many DE's are getting 40+ tackles a season? 9 DE's in my league were credited with 40+ tackles last year. I think if he does stay on the field and go between the 2 positions he will have a good fantasy season. Throw in a 5-8 sacks with 40ish tackles, maybe more, you got yourself a nice scoring DE, I think he will get some sacks just off of hustle and his relentless motor. I grabbed him in the last round of one of my rookie drafts, I wasn't excited about his LB designation but I am a lot happier now that he is listed as a DE.

Guess we will see how it shakes out, but I like his chances at being a good weekly contributor as a DE.

 
I think Kikaha will be playing both LB and DE, I certainly don't see him challenging the top DE's but I think this will put him top 10-15 due to tackles. How many DE's are getting 40+ tackles a season? 9 DE's in my league were credited with 40+ tackles last year. I think if he does stay on the field and go between the 2 positions he will have a good fantasy season. Throw in a 5-8 sacks with 40ish tackles, maybe more, you got yourself a nice scoring DE, I think he will get some sacks just off of hustle and his relentless motor. I grabbed him in the last round of one of my rookie drafts, I wasn't excited about his LB designation but I am a lot happier now that he is listed as a DE.

Guess we will see how it shakes out, but I like his chances at being a good weekly contributor as a DE.
i expect him to replicate Junior's numbers really. Galette had 33 tackles with 10 sacks. He might not get the sacks but he's going to get opportunities.

 
Mack is a DL as of today on NFL.com fantasy, for what it's worth.
I contacted rtsports, and they are keeping Mack at LB even though the Raiders site has him listed as DE on depth chart, but LB on roster page(or the other way around, I cant remember).

I wont take him at LB, especially now, but would love him at DE.

 
The following player position changes will be made on Friday, Aug 28th, to bring our player database up-to-date with the Rotoworld.com depth charts:

  • OAK: Justin Ellis from DT to DE
  • OAK: C.J. Wilson from DT to DE
  • OAK: Stacy McGee from DT to DE
  • OAK: Benson Mayowa from DE to LB
  • OAK: Max Valles from DE to LB
So basically they are calling Oakland a 3-4.

 
The following player position changes will be made on Friday, Aug 28th, to bring our player database up-to-date with the Rotoworld.com depth charts:

  • OAK: Justin Ellis from DT to DE
  • OAK: C.J. Wilson from DT to DE
  • OAK: Stacy McGee from DT to DE
  • OAK: Benson Mayowa from DE to LB
  • OAK: Max Valles from DE to LB
So basically they are calling Oakland a 3-4.
Yah, rotoworld shouldn't let the official depth chart on the teams own website get in the way.

 
Can likely put a Mack reclassification to rest:

jmb4028 ‏@jmb4028 8m8 minutes ago
@MyFantasyLeague will MFL be doing any final player position updates prior to the season? noticed that rotoworld has Mack as a DL now.



MyFantasyLeague.com ‏@MyFantasyLeague 5m5 minutes ago
@jmb4028 Still a LB on their depth chart: http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/depth-charts/nfl.aspx …


jmb4028 ‏@jmb4028 3m3 minutes ago

@MyFantasyLeague Had assume that his player page (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9373/khalil-mack …) matched chart. If they update it, will MFL still do another run?


MyFantasyLeague.com ‏@MyFantasyLeague 53s54 seconds ago

@jmb4028 Everything is based off depth charts. Unlikely to see another run before season starts.


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The following player position changes will be made on Monday, Sept 7th, to bring our player database up-to-date with the Rotoworld.com depth charts:

  • DEN: Bradley Roby from S to CB
  • HOU: Christian Covington from DE to DT
  • HOU: Dre Hal from CB to S
  • IND: Zach Kerr from DE to DT
  • JAX: Ryan Davis from DT to DE
  • JAX: Tyson Alualu from DE to DT
  • NE : Khyri Thornton from DE to DT
  • NO : Bobby Richardson from DT to DE
  • NO : Hau'oli Kikaha from DE to LB
  • NO : Damian Swann from S to CB
  • NYG: Cullen Jenkins from DT to DE
  • OAK: Benson Mayowa from LB to DE
  • OAK: Stacy McGee from DE to DT
  • PHI: E.J. Biggers from S to CB
  • PIT: Cam Thomas from DE to DT
  • SEA: B.J. Daniels from QB to WR
  • SF : Quinton Dial from DT to DE
  • SF : Jimmie Ward from CB to S
  • TEN: David Bass from DE to LB
 
Mother :censored: .

Now they switch Kikaha... after just switching him to DL. And he is playing DL on some downs. MFL is the worst.

 
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Mother :censored: .

Now they switch Kikaha... after just switching him to DL. And he is playing DL on some downs. MFL is the worst.
Why not establish a deadline within your league rules that lock a players position? I'm surprised how many leagues complain about this problem. Even if MFL changes the player position, your league commish can change it back. Problem solved.

 
MFL simply uses the Rotoworld official depth charts. No reason to get mad at MFL, get mad at Rotoworld/the NFL for being wishy/washy on what position Kikaha really plays.

By the way, the Saints official web site now lists him as a LB. :)

Rotoworld still lists Mack as a LB, thus MFL still does. And the Raiders official web site also still list him as a LB.

So this isn't some conspiracy by MFL. Go yell at the NFL and the teams if you don't like the position designation of a player. :ph34r:

 
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That Ryan Davis change pisses me off as well, I was hoping to hold him at DT and get some sacks outta my DT, but oh well.

 
MFL simply uses the Rotoworld official depth charts. No reason to get mad at MFL, get mad at Rotoworld/the NFL for being wishy/washy on what position Kikaha really plays.

By the way, the Saints official web site now lists him as a LB. :)

Rotoworld still lists Mack as a LB, thus MFL still does. And the Raiders official web site also still list him as a LB.

So this isn't some conspiracy by MFL. Go yell at the NFL and the teams if you don't like the position designation of a player. :ph34r:
Sure there is. They could do their own work. Its their site that runs leagues.

 
MFL simply uses the Rotoworld official depth charts. No reason to get mad at MFL, get mad at Rotoworld/the NFL for being wishy/washy on what position Kikaha really plays.

By the way, the Saints official web site now lists him as a LB. :)

Rotoworld still lists Mack as a LB, thus MFL still does. And the Raiders official web site also still list him as a LB.

So this isn't some conspiracy by MFL. Go yell at the NFL and the teams if you don't like the position designation of a player. :ph34r:
Sure there is. They could do their own work. Its their site that runs leagues.
Not quite sure what you're getting at. If the NFL teams themselves designate them as a LB right now and are listed as such on official NFL depth charts, why would MFL go against that? They aren't Yahoo and just make stuff up. :loco:

If your league doesn't agree then you can manually change their position.

 
MFL simply uses the Rotoworld official depth charts. No reason to get mad at MFL, get mad at Rotoworld/the NFL for being wishy/washy on what position Kikaha really plays.

By the way, the Saints official web site now lists him as a LB. :)

Rotoworld still lists Mack as a LB, thus MFL still does. And the Raiders official web site also still list him as a LB.

So this isn't some conspiracy by MFL. Go yell at the NFL and the teams if you don't like the position designation of a player. :ph34r:
Sure there is. They could do their own work. Its their site that runs leagues.
Not quite sure what you're getting at. If the NFL teams themselves designate them as a LB right now and are listed as such on official NFL depth charts, why would MFL go against that? They aren't Yahoo and just make stuff up. :loco:

If your league doesn't agree then you can manually change their position.
Then they should have never switched him before the weekend prior to kickoff... then switched him back 7 days later. That's pure garbage.

 
MFL simply uses the Rotoworld official depth charts. No reason to get mad at MFL, get mad at Rotoworld/the NFL for being wishy/washy on what position Kikaha really plays.

By the way, the Saints official web site now lists him as a LB. :)

Rotoworld still lists Mack as a LB, thus MFL still does. And the Raiders official web site also still list him as a LB.

So this isn't some conspiracy by MFL. Go yell at the NFL and the teams if you don't like the position designation of a player. :ph34r:
Sure there is. They could do their own work. Its their site that runs leagues.
Not quite sure what you're getting at. If the NFL teams themselves designate them as a LB right now and are listed as such on official NFL depth charts, why would MFL go against that? They aren't Yahoo and just make stuff up. :loco:

If your league doesn't agree then you can manually change their position.
Then they should have never switched him before the weekend prior to kickoff... then switched him back 7 days later. That's pure garbage.
Ahhh, well that's because the team switched him early pre-season thus MFL followed suit in the end of August update. Now the team switched him back and because MFL did a final update he got switched back. MFL loads up position updates end of each month during the summer bringing them in line with official depth charts and usually do an additional one a few days before the season starts if there is time and this year the season starts late so they got one final one in. Just so happened they were a week apart this year. Oh well.

With Mack the Raiders never did change him officially to a DE and MFL stayed right in line with him as a LB.

 
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MFL simply uses the Rotoworld official depth charts. No reason to get mad at MFL, get mad at Rotoworld/the NFL for being wishy/washy on what position Kikaha really plays.

By the way, the Saints official web site now lists him as a LB. :)

Rotoworld still lists Mack as a LB, thus MFL still does. And the Raiders official web site also still list him as a LB.

So this isn't some conspiracy by MFL. Go yell at the NFL and the teams if you don't like the position designation of a player. :ph34r:
Sure there is. They could do their own work. Its their site that runs leagues.
Not quite sure what you're getting at. If the NFL teams themselves designate them as a LB right now and are listed as such on official NFL depth charts, why would MFL go against that? They aren't Yahoo and just make stuff up. :loco:

If your league doesn't agree then you can manually change their position.
Then they should have never switched him before the weekend prior to kickoff... then switched him back 7 days later. That's pure garbage.
Ahhh, well that's because the team switched him early pre-season thus MFL followed suit in the end of August update. Now the team switched him back and because MFL did a final update he got switched back. MFL loads up position updates end of each month during the summer bringing them in line with official depth charts and usually do an additional one a few days before the season starts if there is time and this year the season starts late so they got one final one in. Just so happened they were a week apart this year. Oh well.

With Mack the Raiders never did change him officially to a DE and MFL stayed right in line with him as a LB.
MFL's positional designations have NOTHING to do with the NFL.com position listings. MFL bases theirs strictly on Rotoworld's depth charts.And there is nothing 'official' about the NFL.com position listings. The team websites are simply content for fans.

The odd scenario is Mack. Rotoworld DID change his position to DE but haven't made the switch on their depth chart yet, and as a result, MFL didn't make the switch.

UPDATE: Rotoworld has since switched Mack back to LB (he was always a LB on their depth chart). They flip-flopped positions on him and Kikaha twice in just over a week's time. Crazy.

 
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MFL simply uses the Rotoworld official depth charts. No reason to get mad at MFL, get mad at Rotoworld/the NFL for being wishy/washy on what position Kikaha really plays.

By the way, the Saints official web site now lists him as a LB. :)

Rotoworld still lists Mack as a LB, thus MFL still does. And the Raiders official web site also still list him as a LB.

So this isn't some conspiracy by MFL. Go yell at the NFL and the teams if you don't like the position designation of a player. :ph34r:
Sure there is. They could do their own work. Its their site that runs leagues.
Not quite sure what you're getting at. If the NFL teams themselves designate them as a LB right now and are listed as such on official NFL depth charts, why would MFL go against that? They aren't Yahoo and just make stuff up. :loco:

If your league doesn't agree then you can manually change their position.
Because NFL teams have a financial stake in designating positions. Designating a player as a LB may cost them less than a DE would when it comes time to negotiate a new contract. Same with the S/CB difference.

Difficult to measure which position a tweener plays until we see how use and scheme shakes out in the regular season. Rotoworld is as good as anyone at making their best guess - and like everyone else they'll make a few mistakes until the regular season is underway. By that time it's too late for FF

 
The Claymaker said:
That Ryan Davis change pisses me off as well, I was hoping to hold him at DT and get some sacks outta my DT, but oh well.
Agreed.

WTF has changed that they would now change his position now? The answer is, not a damn thing. He's still going to line up just as he did all of last season and all of preseason, both inside and outside depending on down and distance.

Simply random reordering.

 
Well I don't think the answer is fussing at Bonscott on the FBG forums. He is just trying to answer the questions, I know he does so on MFL message boards as well as he has helped me many times, but I don't think he works for MFL.

 
Well I don't think the answer is fussing at Bonscott on the FBG forums. He is just trying to answer the questions, I know he does so on MFL message boards as well as he has helped me many times, but I don't think he works for MFL.
I can't speak for anyone else, and thankfully I wasn't affected by any of the position switches so no 'fussing' or frustration on my part... But Bonscott was simply inaccurate about MFL following the NFL.com position designations. Everyone is welcome to their opinion on this topic or any other, and I don't ask for much, but if Bonscott was going to present something as factual, I just ask that he have the facts straight.

 
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Well I don't think the answer is fussing at Bonscott on the FBG forums. He is just trying to answer the questions, I know he does so on MFL message boards as well as he has helped me many times, but I don't think he works for MFL.
I can't speak for anyone else, and thankfully I wasn't affected by any of the position switches so no 'fussing' or frustration on my part... But Bonscott was simply inaccurate about MFL following the NFL.com position designations. Everyone is welcome to their opinion on this topic or any other, and I don't ask for much, but if Bonscott was going to present something as factual, I just ask that he have the facts straight.
Agreed. To me it read as if he was just making excuses. Unacceptable as they are. Which is what I find MFL to be doing.

 
Well I don't think the answer is fussing at Bonscott on the FBG forums. He is just trying to answer the questions, I know he does so on MFL message boards as well as he has helped me many times, but I don't think he works for MFL.
I can't speak for anyone else, and thankfully I wasn't affected by any of the position switches so no 'fussing' or frustration on my part... But Bonscott was simply inaccurate about MFL following the NFL.com position designations. Everyone is welcome to their opinion on this topic or any other, and I don't ask for much, but if Bonscott was going to present something as factual, I just ask that he have the facts straight.
Agreed. To me it read as if he was just making excuses. Unacceptable as they are. Which is what I find MFL to be doing.
People can fuss at me, that's fine. Perhaps I mis-spoke which I can from time to time when typing in a hurry.

Honestly there really is no true official depth chart/roster list. MFL syncs up to Rotoworld depth charts, whatever they may be. I believe they are about as accurate as any other site but certainly an argument can be made.

NFL and team sites are certainly not "official" either. However, what I was pointing out here was with both players the overwhelming evidence in almost any depth chart or roster listing you can find and MFL is matching that. Right or wrong.

Suggs was the poster child of this in years back. Is he a LB or DE? After a big contract he was actually listed by the NFL as "LB/DE" as per his contract so that he could get more money. But obviously fantasy sites need to choose one or the other. I don't recall the year but he was listed as a LB by most sites including Rotoworld. The guys here at FBG (Brammel, Bloom and such if I remember correctly) actually got with both Rotoworld and MFL and reviewed game tape and found he played about 60% of his snaps with his hand down, as a lineman would. And thus they switched him to a DE for many years while other sites stuck with the LB designation. That all changed of course a couple years ago when the Ravens changed their base defense and he's been a LB with no question ever since.

In today's world of so many hybrid defenses it becomes more and more difficult to tell with some players, are they a DL or LB? And now many teams are shifting to a 4-3 after many years of the 3-4 ruling the roost that it's becoming an issue again as so many teams transition. We are all at the mercy of this of course.

My leagues make this really, really simple: Whatever MFL says is a players position that is what it is, period. You have to have a "bible" of some sort. And knowing the NFL.com and team sites like to play games with a players position certainly doesn't make them reliable in any way. So you have to go with something so why not go with the simplest which is usually not a problem anyway. But here's the thing...MFL allows you to manually change up a players position. So if you or your league don't agree with something then simply change it. No harm, no foul. In my leagues we don't open that can of worms and there are never any complaints. In fact the owner of Kikaha dropped him now that he's a LB and didn't complain at all about it.

As for MFL excuses...not really sure what you want them to do when they are just following what most sites list the guys at. I would certainly never look to Yahoo, ESPN or CBS as any kind of authority for anything fantasy. MFL goes to Rotoworld, Rotowire and Elias (who do the official NFL stats each week) for their info. Much of this we don't even have access to, unless you have a few tens of thousands of bucks to pay for the data. :)

 
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Mother :censored: .

Now they switch Kikaha... after just switching him to DL. And he is playing DL on some downs. MFL is the worst.
Why not establish a deadline within your league rules that lock a players position? I'm surprised how many leagues complain about this problem. Even if MFL changes the player position, your league commish can change it back. Problem solved.
That's a ton of work for commisioners. Most full IDP leagues are 40-45 rosters.

 
As for MFL excuses...not really sure what you want them to do
Some work.

So they don't switch guys before the biggest draft weekend and then switch them back right after.

Understanding that these guys are often to close (Suggs, Kikaha, Mack) that what they do has big consequences.

They should never multi switch them like that. They should leave it, once they set it.

Only way is if those players changed dramatically in the day since changing... which none of them ever do.

Garbage.

 
Mother :censored: .

Now they switch Kikaha... after just switching him to DL. And he is playing DL on some downs. MFL is the worst.
Why not establish a deadline within your league rules that lock a players position? I'm surprised how many leagues complain about this problem. Even if MFL changes the player position, your league commish can change it back. Problem solved.
That's a ton of work for commisioners. Most full IDP leagues are 40-45 rosters.
Not really. There are roughly 40 players that have had their position change in the last month. Of those 40 how many are actually on an IDP roster? We carry 55 players up until the Monday after the last preseason game, then we cut down to 50.

Of the 19 players that had their positions change on September 7th, only four were on rosters in my league. You could argue 5 players, since the cut of Thornton could be contributed to the upcoming position change. Is it really that tough for a commish to alter 5 players? Just set up the rules that MFL roster changes will not effect players that are already on a roster. If a team picks up a player after the position change, then MFL designation can't be changed.

 
I have Mack, Suggs, R. Davis, Kikaha and K. Williams on my team. I've been going crazy trying to field a starting lineup! I just wish they would make up their minds and leave it be. I keep making roster moves only to have the position designation change AGAIN! And my league differentiates DT and DE. I went from having 4 DT's on my roster to just 1. It would have been nice if they would have made the final changes at least a week before the start of the season. It's cost me draft picks, FAB$, and valuable free agents. I'm not wanting to harsh anyone or levy accusations but it has been frustrating.

 
What is really stupid is that Suggs is listed as a DE, but Babin (Brought in to play the same role) is listed as a LB.
Suggs was listed as LB on my MFL roster. Not that it matters now.
Not mine, he was just added to the IR is why I looked at him and the same guy picked up Babin. Suggs is a DE and Babin is a LB. I just went back and looked again to be sure I wasn't missing something. Doesn't matter now for Suggs, but I may have picked up Babin had he been listed as a DE.

 
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Suggs is definitely listed as a LB on MFL.

If he is listed as a DE in a MFL league it is because the commissioner has made the switch manually.

 
Suggs was the poster child of this in years back. Is he a LB or DE? After a big contract he was actually listed by the NFL as "LB/DE" as per his contract so that he could get more money. But obviously fantasy sites need to choose one or the other.
I don't understand why sites cant do both... my baseball leagues have players that are listed as 2B, 3B, OF or whatever, based on previous year and current year. If a player doesn't play that position in the current year it is taken away the following year, but never in season... that seems like a very fair way to handle things. Players like Dexter McCluster have had RB/WR on some sites, I don't know why they can't with IDP's.

Changing player eligibility mid season is perhaps the most maddening thing that could happen in my dynasty leagues where we bid on and sign players to contracts. I don't want to be bidding $3M on Mario Williams only to find out he got switched to LB in the fantasy playoffs because he played 51% of the snaps with his hand up.

I suspect MFL's reasoning is that changing the database to include more than one position would be a PITA and not worth it for them, but that's just a guess on my end.

 
As for MFL excuses...not really sure what you want them to do
Some work.

So they don't switch guys before the biggest draft weekend and then switch them back right after.

Understanding that these guys are often to close (Suggs, Kikaha, Mack) that what they do has big consequences.

They should never multi switch them like that. They should leave it, once they set it.

Only way is if those players changed dramatically in the day since changing... which none of them ever do.

Garbage.
Agreed, drafted Kikaha as a DE, reclassified as a LB after the draft...great. Kikaha was a LB until.......https://twitter.com/Mike_Woellert/status/640582544849809408Thanks!

 
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Suggs is definitely listed as a LB on MFL.

If he is listed as a DE in a MFL league it is because the commissioner has made the switch manually.
Yep. Suggs has been a LB for a number of years now when the Ravens changed their base defense. If he's a DE in your league it's because the commish made the change manually, perhaps several years ago, and never changed it back to default when Suggs went to LB full time. Thus a major problem with manually changing positions, but the option is there for leagues that want to use it.

 
KiddLattimer said:
Changing player eligibility mid season is perhaps the most maddening thing that could happen in my dynasty leagues where we bid on and sign players to contracts. I don't want to be bidding $3M on Mario Williams only to find out he got switched to LB in the fantasy playoffs because he played 51% of the snaps with his hand up.
Doesn't happen. Player positions are locked after the last pre-season update for the entire season. Changes don't happen mid-season.

 

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