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Official Antonio Andrews Titans RB (1 Viewer)

Dismattle

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Draft analysis:

Compact, well-built, mid-major workhorse with a blend of one-cut and downhill elements. Generally gains what is blocked for him and has a ceiling as a No. 2/tandem back in a man- or zone-blocking scheme. However, he is not a talented enough runner to overlook or tolerate his fumbles and deficient pass protection, and he will have to earn trust before he earns carries.

College Highlights:

Andrews made the 2012 All-Sun Belt Conference Offense First Team, and he had been named the Sun Belt Conference Offensive Player of the Week three times that season. He was also a finalist for the Paul Hornung Award.

For his senior season, Andrews was named to the 2013 CFPA Running Back Trophy Watch List as one of the nation's top 36 running backs. He finished the season with 1,730 rushing yards on 267 carries. For his career, he had 3,674 rushing yards.

Latest news per CBS:

Titans running back Antonio Andrews played a surprisingly prominent role against the Colts on Sunday, leading the Titans with 12 carries for 49 yards and a touchdown. He also added one reception for 12 yards on two targets.

Andrews was projected to do little more than spell Bishop Sankey and Dexter McCluster when they needed rest, but the second-year back ended up playing the lead role in his first appearance of the season.

The Titans have been unhappy with their lack of rushing production thus far in 2015, so it's possible Andrews has propelled himself all the way to the top of the team's muddled running back depth chart, at least in the short term.

Extra Bio info..

Overview

High school quarterback who led his team to a 29-0 record and two state championships while totaling 6,733 yards (passing and rushing) and 106 touchdowns, earning Kentucky's Gatorade Player of the Year award as a senior.

Originally attended Air Force prep school before transferring to WKU in 2010 when he played eight games (one start) and rushed 32 times for 174 yards (5.4-yard average) and two touchdowns with five receptions for 37 yards (7.4) and zero touchdowns.

Backed up Buccaneers RB Bobby Rainey in '11 when he played eight games and carried 15-42-0 (2.8) and caught 2-16-0 (8.0). Missed two games while nursing a high left ankle sprain, and was suspended for two games following a Twitter rant criticizing WKU fans.

Broke out in '12, piling up 304-1,728-11 (5.7) on the ground and 37-432-3 (11.7) receiving in 13 games (12 starts).

Was second on the depth chart to open the season, but started as an injury replacement in Week Two and never relinquished the job.

Led the nation in all-purpose yards for the second consecutive season in '13, amassing 267-1,730-16 rushing and 41-478-0 (11.7) receiving while starting all 12 games. For his career, also returned 42 kickoffs for 1,780 yards (20.9) and 42 punts for 382 yards (9.1), including one touchdown.

Concluded his career with the NCAA record for most all-purpose yards over a two-year span (5,770).

I know what your thinking,, Yeah, but why you like him? I gotta admit "paul horning finalist" catch's my eye.. Hes a bigger back, who might have good hands.

This tweet kinda nailed it. https://twitter.com/Salute2Dat5ive/status/646356651721756672

 
Dismattle said:
tolerate his fumbles and deficient pass protection, and he will have to earn trust before he earns carries.
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He corrected this well, right away, and was singled out for his pass protection at the Senior Bowl. Titans saw it on tape too and as UDFA last year it was pointed out how much he worked on it. This is more important than it would seem because the Titans backs are very bad at pass protection(RB Coach Croom leaving sideline going onto the field in TC to yell at them, type bad) so he stands out.

Sankey is better, but not there yet.

McCluster is meh.

Fluellen is back on the PS probably because he dramatically improved at this-below average runner

Fowler was very good at protection in college and has really struggled w speed and differences of NFL game, better than when he got there though.

Cobb is the worst and it's not close. Zero chance he plays third down.

Mariota was sacked 7 times when Andrews was out. It's not that he played every down or anything, I think it has to do with that they know he's best at it, need to show up better and...has an effect.

The other side is (Andrews is better at GL too) when Sankey improves pass protection, he's got the blue-chip ability and Andrews won't have this edge.

Andrews/Titans were 100% on GL in preseason, so Whisenhunt named him GL back

Fumbles...needs more carries to gauge

 
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Ketamine Dreams said:
Are we thinking long-term majority control of this backfield?
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there's probably a better chance that this backfield is a weeky headache with little clarity or upside. might be worth a shot if you have a bench spot but the chances of any realisitic upside would likely be less than 10% if I had to guess.

 
Unfortunately, he doesn't seem too much under the radar anymore with Sankey's struggles, McCluster he-is-what-he-is, West in the doghouse with fumbles, and Cobb several weeks away from coming back.

But if you look at the RB landscape, he seems to have a good an opportunity as any backup" to take over as a starter. Team brass had a lot of good things to say about him in the preseason, and now that he's healthy, he may be a good stash going forward.

 
Banger said:
there's probably a better chance that this backfield is a weeky headache with little clarity or upside. might be worth a shot if you have a bench spot but the chances of any realisitic upside would likely be less than 10% if I had to guess.
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I'm not so sure. While Sankey may not have totally blown his shot, I don't think the team is content with him as the lead dog and he may become the change of pace if he doesn't pick up his game.

 
I've been talking about him all summer.

He is Mr Everything, yes coach, super athlete(if not football player) type of guy.

Last QB(was Wright), backup LS, backup KR, backup PR, backup FB, played slot and h-back spot this summer too

The "he's a football player" cliche

I think he's special but others think he doesn't do one thing well, just is nice all-around player

Titans should have this stud RB and Andrews is useful utility guy without the opportunity to even show this much. Sankey has underperformed. Fowler was highly drafted for a FB and has some growth development to do. Cobb barely showed up missing time at OTAs and rookie minicamp for hamstring tweak and rookie symposium then got hurt in TC. Although Cobb is 5th round pick people act as if he's a first rounder so I included him. Last year Sankey missed about as much time as Cobb this year. All the while Andrews has been there practicing and in two years only missed 2 weeks for hamstring injury.

Against 3rd stringers in 14 Andrews did better than Sankey in preseason but he should have against third stringers, kinda like Cobb's one good game this summer.

Late last year as Leon Washington was getting the rock a lot, Andrews was supposed to get action at RB but it never happened.

I think he was clearly the best back this summer week in week out while Cobb probably had the best game and Sankey 2nd best, he was good each week.

Whisenhunt has been very vocal about this RBBC. I predicted, Wyatt predicted and others too that Andrews would get it this week. It was Sankey, McCluster, then Andrews. That's like scripted. He said it's going to be about matchups and who they think will help them exploit certain weaknesses.

So from here on out, I guess it's anyone's guess.

McCluster has the best #s

Andrews only played 22 snaps and produced well for just that many

Sankey did not look bad week 1 and I thought he'd be shown a bit more in week 2 like he earned it.

Sankey is best outside, round the corner runner without question. He's putting his shoulder down too this year and looks so good there. Titans have an excellent blocking TE and LT but they don't often run there which makes this frustrating. Whisenhunt insists on runs up the gut. Andrews is best at this and curiously McCluster did real well up the middle in week 2. I bet Chiefs fans were shocked by that.

Maybe also what needs to be stated is Whisenhunt hates zero yard carries. The Titans line was so bad last year, Whisenhunt didn't budge, he wanted success anyway and Sankey to put his head down and bowl thru like he did at Washington. He didn't and hasn't done this well. Andrews has this fight to him where he can get a yard or two on busted plays. How important a RB can do behind a bad OL and how much that matters probably has to do with your impression of the Titans OL in 2015.

 
Bri can comment on this more (HA - right on time, Bri! :thumbup: ), but Andrews was always the most consistent guy of the RBs throughout training camp. It was kind of surprising honestly to watch the games, read the practice reports and coaches commenting on the players, and still see Andrews getting shuffled backwards.

I could see a Zac Stacy type of season if they let him have the volume... but I don't think it's a long-term answer situation. Still, he's got 3-down ability and is their best pass protector and best goal line guy. That's valuable.

 
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Russ Lande

3. Antonio Andrews, Western KentuckyProjection: Fourth Round

One of my favorite small school players in this year's draft, I believe Andrews is also one of the most underrated. Unlike most backs from small schools, Andrews does an outstanding job of riding a blocker's hip and sets up defenders to open the hole. While he lacks the elite speed to out-run angles, he has the burst through the hole to get behind the defense and makes a lot of big plays once in space because of his open field running skills. It always surprises me when an upright runner, like Andrews, is able to easily run through hits and break tackles to gain yards after contact as most high runners struggle with this. In order to continue his after-contact production in the NFL, he will need to do a better job of running with good pad level because defenders in the NFL are much better than he faced at Western Kentucky.

Especially rare for a big back, Andrews excels at running routes, looking comfortable running every route a back is asked to. Possessing soft, natural hands, he not only makes tough catches seem routine, but gets the ball tucked away quickly so that he holds onto it when he gets "plastered" right after the catch. If my breakdown stopped here, then Andrews would likely be a high second round pick, but his fumbling issues and below-average pass blocking are major concerns.

He carries the ball with one arm, swinging it away from his body while he runs and does not pull it high and tight when facing contact, which leads to too many fumbles (he had fumbles on back to back carries against Tennessee). Often, fumbling is enough to keep a back off the field, but when he gives a questionable effort and uses bad technique in pass protection, it can be nearly impossible to earn playing time. Andrews will need to improve greatly in these areas if he is going to become the quality starting three down back that I believe he has the talent to be.

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/71415846/carlos-hyde-jeremy-hill-antonio-andrews-2014-nfl-draft-best-big-running-backs

 
I know someones gonna post his timed speed of something like a 4.82...

Lets just put that out there, but bear in mind:

1) Players can work on this speed test w/ Coachs

2) Its not run in gamepads w/ Luke Kuechly OYS..

(Lets not forget the return yds too)

For reference purposes? Ive had enough of whatever Atlanta is doing w/ Roddy, and added Antonio

 
Dismattle said:
I know someones gonna post his timed speed of something like a 4.82...
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It's probably late 4.5 or 4.6.

Somewhere in the not slow but not fast realm

He reminds me of Derrick Ward and I'd predict a career like that- looking at PFR I guess you gotta add receiving skills to that, still capable big back backup, useful

 
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FWIW Andrews is an odd guy amongst the Titans writers (thus far) some really like him some simply don't. There's no middle ground. I wonder if yesterday changed opinions at all.

 
With this being their bye week, I am going to pass on adding him. I think people that might have considered it, will look to someone else because of the bye.

 
Thanks for the new thread.

The Titans offense has been a muddle for years now. 22 snaps doesn't sound like much.

- eta - I'm guessing they won't be relegating their prime pick Sankey to backup status either. From the Titans thread the snap count % was: McCluster 44%, AA 27%, AA 23%,

 
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Ok right on game day, when Cobb gets back someone will likely sit and it's pretty jammed with a 3-way share right now. McCluster is actually getting the most work right now based on snaps.

 
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Buck Bradcanon said:
When is David Cobb eligible to return? Week 10 correct?
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Yes

Out of 60-70 practices, he made roughly 25. THEN followed that up with missing 10 weeks.

The NFL only allows 12-13 padded in-season practices per season

I've never understood why people treated this 5th rounder like he's a first rounder. (And in round 4 they grabbed a FB and traded into 4th again to get their DL- really cementing his perceived value as a 5th rounder) It could be the frustration or disgust with Sankey, feeling of "no one else" and FF opportunity...he's barely been there.

As I said above, he's terrible at pass protection so 3rd down is not an option at all.

Totally looks like next year for this guy IMO.

Others disagree, many disagree but...that's what I think

 
Bri said:
Buck Bradcanon said:
When is David Cobb eligible to return? Week 10 correct?
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Yes

Out of 60-70 practices, he made roughly 25. THEN followed that up with missing 10 weeks.

The NFL only allows 12-13 padded in-season practices per season

I've never understood why people treated this 5th rounder like he's a first rounder. (And in round 4 they grabbed a FB and traded into 4th again to get their DL- really cementing his perceived value as a 5th rounder) It could be the frustration or disgust with Sankey, feeling of "no one else" and FF opportunity...he's barely been there.

As I said above, he's terrible at pass protection so 3rd down is not an option at all.

Totally looks like next year for this guy IMO.

Others disagree, many disagree but...that's what I think
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Thanks for the thorough post. Appreciate it.

 
The week 4 bye and week 5 matchup vs BUF will cause him to be overlooked a while longer in some leagues. In those, I'd look to grab-and-stash Andrews after week 5 waivers for possible use in weeks 6 thru 9.

 
I'll grab if he clears likely, but I'm not looking to burn a waiver priority on a guy I won't feel I have a clear read on for 3 weeks

 
Andrews had a nice run called back for penalty and a TD called back for penalty. Those count as snaps so if you are rolling with the 22 snap thinking, you might consider making a mental note of those

 
Bri said:
Andrews had a nice run called back for penalty and a TD called back for penalty. Those count as snaps so if you are rolling with the 22 snap thinking, you might consider making a mental note of those
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I thought he looked pretty good. I also noticed the big plays called back. What bothers me is Fowler got the crunch time GL carries. I too wouldn't waste a waiver claim on him especially during his bye week. I would possibly pick him up for free if I had room.

This offense is slowly becoming fairly fertile ground for RB production but with Cobb back, its getting pretty murky at the GL.

 
Titans will be on a running back carousel this year. Would be sweet to see another buckeye in backfield next year.Zeke Elliot would be awesome

Titans still miss Eddie.

 
Last year, Battle played very well. At week 6-8 or so, Whis about benched him and went with single back set.

This hurt Sankey.

He must be much more comfy following a FB.

They go out and draft the top FB, sign the #5 FB

In preseason, they often had a FB in.

Cobb struggled a bit without one. Neighbors got hurt so they signed another.

FB in, they all looked pretty good.

Now onto the regular season and Fowler has only played 24.5% of the snaps. One game he was around 10%

Whatcha doin here Whis?

Add to this that Fowler was drafted high because he's a former RB that can carry the rock and very nice receiver for a FB. He lined up as an h-back type in camp and in the slot. He's had no carries outside the GL that I can recall and I can't think of any passes either.

They could have had a top level FB without drafting one. They looked at him as special but if they're not going to utilize that ability it's somewhat of a wasted pick.

He will matter here, without a doubt.

Andrews and McCluster fine with or without him is significant.

If he takes away carries or catches, it'll affect this too.

They drafted a running QB who hasn't really run and a big WR who can fly that hasn't been sent deep so I do understand their spoon-feeding the offense and "not there yet" but if you're looking for an indicator I would guess it's him.

Wanna get excited of Sankey or Cobb again? Look if he's playing a bunch because they like their FB leading the way.

 
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but with Cobb back, its getting pretty murky at the GL.
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He's not back til week 10. I don't know if you meant this as such. I've seen several people today mistakenly thinking the bye had anything to do with him or the "all healthy" proclamation from Whis.

IR is not active roster. The active players should all be healthy. He is the lone IR spot and he won't be back til at least week 10.

Week 10, he'll show he's capable and hopefully doc clears him and there's a niche he can fill.

 
Interesting flier. Thanks for all the indepth info posted on this topic starting with the OP and Bri and others filling in. Good stuff

 
Bri said:
ourmanflint said:
but with Cobb back, its getting pretty murky at the GL.
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He's not back til week 10. I don't know if you meant this as such. I've seen several people today mistakenly thinking the bye had anything to do with him or the "all healthy" proclamation from Whis.

IR is not active roster. The active players should all be healthy. He is the lone IR spot and he won't be back til at least week 10.

Week 10, he'll show he's capable and hopefully doc clears him and there's a niche he can fill.
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Yep sorry. Something Bloom said in his upgrade/downgrade report on Andrews made me think it was sooner. Andrews could certainly seize the job by then. I was able to pick him up for free on a team I really need RB help. Definitely on board and will be watching closely.

 
My problem with him in PPR is McCluster, and whether even if Andrews becomes the main guy he will be in on passing situations.

 
Bri said:
http://espn.go.com/blog/tennessee-titans/post/_/id/16132/the-fantasy-advice-remains-the-same-steer-clear-of-titans-rbs
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Two very different opinions expressed there and I tend to agree with both.

The guy in the vid says, "Why Not?"... and I agree wholeheartedly... take a swing.

The other guys says you can't rely on him and you don't know what you're gonna get so you should totally avoid. I agree on the first part, but there are a lot of unsure situations, and some that are sure you know you don't want a part of... but at least 50-60% of teams probably have a spot at the end of their roster for a shot on a guy like this.... so, why not!?

 
Dismattle said:
I know someones gonna post his timed speed of something like a 4.82...

Lets just put that out there, but bear in mind:

1) Players can work on this speed test w/ Coachs

2) Its not run in gamepads w/ Luke Kuechly OYS..

(Lets not forget the return yds too)

For reference purposes? Ive had enough of whatever Atlanta is doing w/ Roddy, and added Antonio
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It's not just a slow 40 - Andrews's combine numbers put him as one of the least athletic RBs in the NFL. Terrible 40 (4.82), terrible vertical (29.5"), terrible broad jump (8'10"), bad short shuttle (4.49), bad 3 cone (7.24). Going back to 1999 (the earliest year that combine numbers are available for), Andrews is one of the 15 worst RBs (out of 300-400) in the 40, vertical, and broad jump.

 
ZWK said:
Dismattle said:
I know someones gonna post his timed speed of something like a 4.82...

Lets just put that out there, but bear in mind:

1) Players can work on this speed test w/ Coachs

2) Its not run in gamepads w/ Luke Kuechly OYS..

(Lets not forget the return yds too)

For reference purposes? Ive had enough of whatever Atlanta is doing w/ Roddy, and added Antonio
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It's not just a slow 40 - Andrews's combine numbers put him as one of the least athletic RBs in the NFL. Terrible 40 (4.82), terrible vertical (29.5"), terrible broad jump (8'10"), bad short shuttle (4.49), bad 3 cone (7.24). Going back to 1999 (the earliest year that combine numbers are available for), Andrews is one of the 15 worst RBs (out of 300-400) in the 40, vertical, and broad jump.
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To be fair, his backfield mate is a measurable stud but sucks at real football.

Sankey http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/4597/

40 Yard Dash: 4.49 (72nd %tile)

Vertical Jump: 35½" (60th %tile)

Broad Jump: 126" (93rd %tile)

3 Cone Drill: 6.75 (93rd %tile)

20 Yard Shuttle: 4.00 (97th %tile)

 
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I found it interesting how much Andrews performance and/or "college name" seemed to stir things up this week. Did you notice how many Titans RB articles are out there this week?

It's perfect timing. Very few, if any, think Andrews will run away with the lead RB job but these articles and videos are surely exactly what the Titans need. Now Sankey (and Cobb) and West have to up their games. Stew on that during the bye and come back with some cliched fire in your belly.

The Titans went in a downward spiral last year. Sankey and Battle played less and less and ol Leon was given more and more.

Quite frankly, if I were coach I'd cut West and/or Sankey if they don't show up ready for a fight.

I guarantee you practice squad guy Fluellen will try his hardest if given a chance.

I don't like how Whisenhunt speaks of RBBC explaining it as each opposing team and how they matchup. I haven't found that to be true at all since he joined the Titans. It has always been the hot hand or someone making a dopey mistake and getting pulled.

 
tone1oc said:
ZWK said:
Dismattle said:
I know someones gonna post his timed speed of something like a 4.82...

Lets just put that out there, but bear in mind:

1) Players can work on this speed test w/ Coachs

2) Its not run in gamepads w/ Luke Kuechly OYS..

(Lets not forget the return yds too)

For reference purposes? Ive had enough of whatever Atlanta is doing w/ Roddy, and added Antonio
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It's not just a slow 40 - Andrews's combine numbers put him as one of the least athletic RBs in the NFL. Terrible 40 (4.82), terrible vertical (29.5"), terrible broad jump (8'10"), bad short shuttle (4.49), bad 3 cone (7.24). Going back to 1999 (the earliest year that combine numbers are available for), Andrews is one of the 15 worst RBs (out of 300-400) in the 40, vertical, and broad jump.
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To be fair, his backfield mate is a measurable stud but sucks at real football.

Sankey http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/4597/

40 Yard Dash: 4.49 (72nd %tile)

Vertical Jump: 35½" (60th %tile)

Broad Jump: 126" (93rd %tile)

3 Cone Drill: 6.75 (93rd %tile)

20 Yard Shuttle: 4.00 (97th %tile)
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Athleticism is just one of the ingredients that a player needs in order to be a good RB. There are plenty of RBs with good athleticism who didn't have the skills to be a good RB. There aren't many unathletic players who still managed to succeed at RB.

If you look for RBs who were about as bad as Andrews at the combine, and who ran for 1000+ career yards in the NFL, you get a list of names like Jason Snelling, Reuben Droughns, Adrian Peterson (Chi), Jonathan Dwyer, and Aaron Stecker. And they were all somewhat better than Andrews at the combine.

Name wt 40 vert broad shuttle 3con3

Andrews: 225 lb., 4.82 40, 29.5" vert, 8'10" brd, 4.49 ss, 7.24 3c

Snelling: 230 lb., 4.80 40, 30" vert, 9'3" brd, 4.37 ss, 7.06 3c

Droughns: 215 lb., 4.66 40, 30" vert, 9'7" brd, 4.41 ss, 7.34 3c

Peterson: 214 lb., 4.68 40, 34" vert, 9'11" brd, 4.60 ss, 7.59 3c

Dwyer: 229 lb., 4.64 40, 33" vert, 8'11" brd, 4.67 ss, 7.56 3c

Stecker: 210 lb., 4.84 40, 32.5" vert, 9'5" brd, 4.17 ss, 7.00 3c

 
ZWK said:
tone1oc said:
ZWK said:
Dismattle said:
I know someones gonna post his timed speed of something like a 4.82...

Lets just put that out there, but bear in mind:

1) Players can work on this speed test w/ Coachs

2) Its not run in gamepads w/ Luke Kuechly OYS..

(Lets not forget the return yds too)

For reference purposes? Ive had enough of whatever Atlanta is doing w/ Roddy, and added Antonio
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It's not just a slow 40 - Andrews's combine numbers put him as one of the least athletic RBs in the NFL. Terrible 40 (4.82), terrible vertical (29.5"), terrible broad jump (8'10"), bad short shuttle (4.49), bad 3 cone (7.24). Going back to 1999 (the earliest year that combine numbers are available for), Andrews is one of the 15 worst RBs (out of 300-400) in the 40, vertical, and broad jump.
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To be fair, his backfield mate is a measurable stud but sucks at real football.

Sankey http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/4597/

40 Yard Dash: 4.49 (72nd %tile)

Vertical Jump: 35½" (60th %tile)

Broad Jump: 126" (93rd %tile)

3 Cone Drill: 6.75 (93rd %tile)

20 Yard Shuttle: 4.00 (97th %tile)
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Athleticism is just one of the ingredients that a player needs in order to be a good RB. There are plenty of RBs with good athleticism who didn't have the skills to be a good RB. There aren't many unathletic players who still managed to succeed at RB.

If you look for RBs who were about as bad as Andrews at the combine, and who ran for 1000+ career yards in the NFL, you get a list of names like Jason Snelling, Reuben Droughns, Adrian Peterson (Chi), Jonathan Dwyer, and Aaron Stecker. And they were all somewhat better than Andrews at the combine.

Name wt 40 vert broad shuttle 3con3

Andrews: 225 lb., 4.82 40, 29.5" vert, 8'10" brd, 4.49 ss, 7.24 3c

Snelling: 230 lb., 4.80 40, 30" vert, 9'3" brd, 4.37 ss, 7.06 3c

Droughns: 215 lb., 4.66 40, 30" vert, 9'7" brd, 4.41 ss, 7.34 3c

Peterson: 214 lb., 4.68 40, 34" vert, 9'11" brd, 4.60 ss, 7.59 3c

Dwyer: 229 lb., 4.64 40, 33" vert, 8'11" brd, 4.67 ss, 7.56 3c

Stecker: 210 lb., 4.84 40, 32.5" vert, 9'5" brd, 4.17 ss, 7.00 3c
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Why didn't you include Cobb here?

 
Bri said:
ZWK said:
tone1oc said:
ZWK said:
Dismattle said:
I know someones gonna post his timed speed of something like a 4.82...

Lets just put that out there, but bear in mind:

1) Players can work on this speed test w/ Coachs

2) Its not run in gamepads w/ Luke Kuechly OYS..

(Lets not forget the return yds too)

For reference purposes? Ive had enough of whatever Atlanta is doing w/ Roddy, and added Antonio
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It's not just a slow 40 - Andrews's combine numbers put him as one of the least athletic RBs in the NFL. Terrible 40 (4.82), terrible vertical (29.5"), terrible broad jump (8'10"), bad short shuttle (4.49), bad 3 cone (7.24). Going back to 1999 (the earliest year that combine numbers are available for), Andrews is one of the 15 worst RBs (out of 300-400) in the 40, vertical, and broad jump.
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To be fair, his backfield mate is a measurable stud but sucks at real football.

Sankey http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/4597/

40 Yard Dash: 4.49 (72nd %tile)

Vertical Jump: 35½" (60th %tile)

Broad Jump: 126" (93rd %tile)

3 Cone Drill: 6.75 (93rd %tile)

20 Yard Shuttle: 4.00 (97th %tile)
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Athleticism is just one of the ingredients that a player needs in order to be a good RB. There are plenty of RBs with good athleticism who didn't have the skills to be a good RB. There aren't many unathletic players who still managed to succeed at RB.

If you look for RBs who were about as bad as Andrews at the combine, and who ran for 1000+ career yards in the NFL, you get a list of names like Jason Snelling, Reuben Droughns, Adrian Peterson (Chi), Jonathan Dwyer, and Aaron Stecker. And they were all somewhat better than Andrews at the combine.

Name wt 40 vert broad shuttle 3con3

Andrews: 225 lb., 4.82 40, 29.5" vert, 8'10" brd, 4.49 ss, 7.24 3c

Snelling: 230 lb., 4.80 40, 30" vert, 9'3" brd, 4.37 ss, 7.06 3c

Droughns: 215 lb., 4.66 40, 30" vert, 9'7" brd, 4.41 ss, 7.34 3c

Peterson: 214 lb., 4.68 40, 34" vert, 9'11" brd, 4.60 ss, 7.59 3c

Dwyer: 229 lb., 4.64 40, 33" vert, 8'11" brd, 4.67 ss, 7.56 3c

Stecker: 210 lb., 4.84 40, 32.5" vert, 9'5" brd, 4.17 ss, 7.00 3c
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Why didn't you include Cobb here?
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Because I was only listing 1000-yard (career) rushers who were terrible at the combine. Cobb is neither.

Cobb: 229 lb., 4.81* 40, 38.5" vert, 10'1" brd, 4.55 ss (proday), 7.01 3c (proday)

* got injured mid-run, ran 4.73 at his proday

Bad 40 time, but way better than the rest of this bunch on the jumps. Cobb jumped 9" higher than Andrews, for example, which is larger than the gap between Cobb's vertical Chris Conley's combine-record 45" vertical. Cobb has below-average athleticism for an NFL RB, but Andrews is off the charts (in the wrong direction).

 
Good vision,knowing how to follow your blockers,Having good football smarts can sometimes make up for a lack of athleticism.If he was good enough to run for 49 yards,on 12 touches,have 1 TD and another called back. That's a guy I take a shot at,if I'm looking for RB help! He might not be the next A Foster. No reason why he couldn't turn into a nice RB 2. Plus Andrews has good hands,which could keep him on the field longer,and have McCluster less involved. Having AA on a Bye,is the only chance you'll have to get this guy cheap. Tenn's Offense is much much better than anyone expected,and I want that teams possible starting RB on my team,not someone else's team. Especially if you need RB help. I'd grab this guy if I had the room(short benches)

Don't forget there are guys like C Patterson(1st guy that came to mind),who is an incredible athlete,and did great at the combined,but just doesn't get it! and some players with a lot less athleticism,get it,and have a great understanding of the game. It was only 1 good game for Andrews,but if he has another nice game after the Bye week,good luck getting him cheap!

 
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Crystalsteam99 said:
Good vision,knowing how to follow your blockers,Having good football smarts can sometimes make up for a lack of athleticism.If he was good enough to run for 49 yards,on 12 touches,have 1 TD and another called back. That's a guy I take a shot at,if I'm looking for RB help! He might not be the next A Foster. No reason why he couldn't turn into a nice RB 2. Plus Andrews has good hands,which could keep him on the field longer,and have McCluster less involved. Having AA on a Bye,is the only chance you'll have to get this guy cheap. Tenn's Offense is much much better than anyone expected,and I want that teams possible starting RB on my team,not someone else's team. Especially if you need RB help. I'd grab this guy if I had the room(short benches)

Don't forget there are guys like C Patterson(1st guy that came to mind),who is an incredible athlete,and did great at the combined,but just doesn't get it! and some players with a lot less athleticism,get it,and have a great understanding of the game. It was only 1 good game for Andrews,but if he has another nice game after the Bye week,good luck getting him cheap!
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Nailed it. I'm taking the risk in half my leagues where I do need RB help. The game after the bye will help tell his story but if you wait till then, it'll be too late.

 
"Andrews grew up just over an hour from Nashville in Fort Campbell, KY where he was named Mr. Football for Kentucky during his senior year of high school in 2009. Receiving scholarship offers from multiple schools and initially committing to play for the Air Force Academy, he finally decided to stay closer to home and play his college football in the Sun Belt Conference at Western Kentucky, just over 70 miles from Fort Campbell.

Once given first-team carries at WKU, Andrews wasted no time impressing anyone who watched him play. Over his first two years with the Hilltoppers, he wasn’t given many opportunities to shine in the running game, but starting during the 2012 college football season, Andrews began turning heads with his elite athleticism.

In 2012 during his junior season, Andrews finished with 3,161 all-purpose yards, leading all teams in the FBS as well as finishing with the second highest total ever behind Barry Sanders. In both his junior and senior seasons he rushed for over 1,600 yards and 11 and 16 touchdowns, respectively.

On top of his rushing statistics during his two marquee seasons with WKU, Andrews caught for a total of 910 yards and 78 receptions, as well as returned both kickoffs and punts for a total of 1,412 yards. These are hugely impressive statistics for a 5-foot-10 running back known for his strength more than his speed."

http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2014/08/25/tennessee-titans-must-find-a-place-on-the-roster-for-rookie-rb-antonio-andrews/

 
ZWK said:
tone1oc said:
ZWK said:
Dismattle said:
I know someones gonna post his timed speed of something like a 4.82...

Lets just put that out there, but bear in mind:

1) Players can work on this speed test w/ Coachs

2) Its not run in gamepads w/ Luke Kuechly OYS..

(Lets not forget the return yds too)

For reference purposes? Ive had enough of whatever Atlanta is doing w/ Roddy, and added Antonio
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It's not just a slow 40 - Andrews's combine numbers put him as one of the least athletic RBs in the NFL. Terrible 40 (4.82), terrible vertical (29.5"), terrible broad jump (8'10"), bad short shuttle (4.49), bad 3 cone (7.24). Going back to 1999 (the earliest year that combine numbers are available for), Andrews is one of the 15 worst RBs (out of 300-400) in the 40, vertical, and broad jump.
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To be fair, his backfield mate is a measurable stud but sucks at real football.

Sankey http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/4597/

40 Yard Dash: 4.49 (72nd %tile)

Vertical Jump: 35½" (60th %tile)

Broad Jump: 126" (93rd %tile)

3 Cone Drill: 6.75 (93rd %tile)

20 Yard Shuttle: 4.00 (97th %tile)
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Athleticism is just one of the ingredients that a player needs in order to be a good RB. There are plenty of RBs with good athleticism who didn't have the skills to be a good RB. There aren't many unathletic players who still managed to succeed at RB.

If you look for RBs who were about as bad as Andrews at the combine, and who ran for 1000+ career yards in the NFL, you get a list of names like Jason Snelling, Reuben Droughns, Adrian Peterson (Chi), Jonathan Dwyer, and Aaron Stecker. And they were all somewhat better than Andrews at the combine.

Name wt 40 vert broad shuttle 3con3

Andrews: 225 lb., 4.82 40, 29.5" vert, 8'10" brd, 4.49 ss, 7.24 3c

Snelling: 230 lb., 4.80 40, 30" vert, 9'3" brd, 4.37 ss, 7.06 3c

Droughns: 215 lb., 4.66 40, 30" vert, 9'7" brd, 4.41 ss, 7.34 3c

Peterson: 214 lb., 4.68 40, 34" vert, 9'11" brd, 4.60 ss, 7.59 3c

Dwyer: 229 lb., 4.64 40, 33" vert, 8'11" brd, 4.67 ss, 7.56 3c

Stecker: 210 lb., 4.84 40, 32.5" vert, 9'5" brd, 4.17 ss, 7.00 3c
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Some of those guys, maybe all of them, were occasionally very productive in the NFL. Droughns had two very good 1000+ yard seasons.

 
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