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I Bought a Handgun in California Today(gun control opinions, please) (1 Viewer)

Leviathan

Leviathan

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I haven't purchased a firearm in the Golden State for over 20 years. This is the process that I went through to do so. I personally do not have any objections to the requirements.

Looking for opinions regarding whether or not the requirements are enough, or should it be more difficult to do so.

1. Your ID (drivers lisense or state ID) plus proof of your physical address. Vehicle registration, utility bill qualifies.

2. A 30 question test. 10 questions are True or False. The remaining questions are multiple choice.

3. A thumbprint is required, followed by a federal background check.

4. 10 day waiting period.

Is there room for improvement?

 
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Forgot to add that you need to physically display how to load, fire, unload, eject the magazine and render the weapon to be in a safe condition.

 
Are you required to purchase a trigger lock when you purchase a gun?

Does the federal background check just cover criminality or mental health history as well?

 
BoltBacker said:
Are you required to purchase a trigger lock when you purchase a gun?

Does the federal background check just cover criminality or mental health history as well?
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A trigger lock is included with the weapon. As far as I know, the background check focuses on your criminal record. You are required to answer yes or no regarding domestic violence, mental instability issues or whether or not you are addicted to drugs, including marijuana.
 
It seems like most of the mass shooters are frustrated celibate males. Maybe they should require proof that you are getting laid, pics or something. At minimum you should have to show an active tinder account with interactions demonstrating the possibility of getting laid. Sorry Em.

 
What if her boyfriend she broke up with that has abused her physically and mentally and threatened to kill her on more than one occasion breaks in on day one?

 
Leviathan said:
BoltBacker said:
Are you required to purchase a trigger lock when you purchase a gun?

Does the federal background check just cover criminality or mental health history as well?
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A trigger lock is included with the weapon. As far as I know, the background check focuses on your criminal record. You are required to answer yes or no regarding domestic violence, mental instability issues or whether or not you are addicted to drugs, including marijuana.
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That's good since people always answer these questions honestly.

 
Abraham said:
Leviathan said:
BoltBacker said:
Are you required to purchase a trigger lock when you purchase a gun?

Does the federal background check just cover criminality or mental health history as well?
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A trigger lock is included with the weapon. As far as I know, the background check focuses on your criminal record. You are required to answer yes or no regarding domestic violence, mental instability issues or whether or not you are addicted to drugs, including marijuana.
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That's good since people always answer these questions honestly.
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Depends. Your criminal record is your criminal record. The Feds will find out no matter what, so lying in that case is pointless.Not sure how it works with issues regarding mental health. One of the questions on the federal form asks if you have ever been institutionalized. I'm thinking they can find out if they're indeed thorough.

 
Seems fine to me. I'm surprised by the length of the waiting period but I think that's generally a good idea.

 
In Texas, I can buy a handgun, shotgun, bolt action hunting rifle, or an assault rifle in 20 minutes. All I have to do is show proof of identity, and fill out a form. The retailer calls the information in, the authorities run a quick background check, and we are done.

In Mexico, all you need is cash. Cash to buy the gun, and cash to bribe the Border Patrol on your way back.

 
Treynwreck3 said:
In Texas, I can buy a handgun, shotgun, bolt action hunting rifle, or an assault rifle in 20 minutes. All I have to do is show proof of identity, and fill out a form. The retailer calls the information in, the authorities run a quick background check, and we are done.

In Mexico, all you need is cash. Cash to buy the gun, and cash to bribe the Border Patrol on your way back.
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Sounds like California circa 1975. From what I understand, the waiting period in California goes away after your first gun purchase. Not sure if that is indeed a fact. If true, it's news to me. My neighbor, who is a Captain on our local Fire Department, told me that. I'll have to verify to make sure.
 
The test and the demonstration seem like window-dressing to me.

The only ones that matter, really, are the waiting period and the background check. I am a gun owner and I have no objections with those two requirements. But even if those requirements were standardized across the entire country, I am not sure they would make a noticeable difference in terms of some of the random crazy shootings.

The specifics of how the background check really works is another interesting issue. Poor information sharing, clerical errors and balancing the need to report "mental illness" versus medical privacy requirements are all real challenges.

 
RedmondLonghorn said:
The test and the demonstration seem like window-dressing to me.

The only ones that matter, really, are the waiting period and the background check. I am a gun owner and I have no objections with those two requirements. But even if those requirements were standardized across the entire country, I am not sure they would make a noticeable difference in terms of some of the random crazy shootings.

The specifics of how the background check really works is another interesting issue. Poor information sharing, clerical errors and balancing the need to report "mental illness" versus medical privacy requirements are all real challenges.
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Seemed pointless to me as well. In order to take the test, you have to pony up $25. REVENUE!!!
 
Leviathan said:
RedmondLonghorn said:
The test and the demonstration seem like window-dressing to me.

The only ones that matter, really, are the waiting period and the background check. I am a gun owner and I have no objections with those two requirements. But even if those requirements were standardized across the entire country, I am not sure they would make a noticeable difference in terms of some of the random crazy shootings.

The specifics of how the background check really works is another interesting issue. Poor information sharing, clerical errors and balancing the need to report "mental illness" versus medical privacy requirements are all real challenges.
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Seemed pointless to me as well. In order to take the test, you have to pony up $25. REVENUE!!!
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Bingo.

 
chauncey said:
It seems like most of the mass shooters are frustrated celibate males. Maybe they should require proof that you are getting laid, pics or something. At minimum you should have to show an active tinder account with interactions demonstrating the possibility of getting laid. Sorry Em.
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:lmao:
 
Harry Manback said:
True or false, the majority of these shootings involved legally acquired guns?
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False. A recent study in Chicago showed that over 90% of the guns used in shootings in Chiraq were acquired illegally on the street. Not in shops or gun shows. In one of the strictest gun law cities in the country.

 
Harry Manback said:
True or false, the majority of these shootings involved legally acquired guns?
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Good info from MadCow... but here is some national data, albeit a little dated :)

A 1997 Justice Department survey of more than 18,000 state and federal convicts revealed the truth:

• 39.6% of criminals obtained a gun from a friend or family member

• 39.2% of criminals obtained a gun on the street or from an illegal source

• 0.7% of criminals purchased a gun at a gun show

• 1% of criminals purchased a gun at a flea market

• 3.8% of criminals purchased a gun from a pawn shop

• 8.3% of criminals actually bought their guns from retail outlets

Unless you're talking about spree shooters specifically...

 
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Mad Cow said:
Harry Manback said:
True or false, the majority of these shootings involved legally acquired guns?
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False. A recent study in Chicago showed that over 90% of the guns used in shootings in Chiraq were acquired illegally on the street. Not in shops or gun shows. In one of the strictest gun law cities in the country.
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Sometimes I wonder if I'll live to see the day that anti-gun control people become aware of the existence of other places on planet earth beyond the borders of Chicago.

 
1. Your ID (drivers lisense or state ID) plus proof of your physical address. Vehicle registration, utility bill qualifies.

Absolutely nothing wrong with establishing ID.

2. A 30 question test. 10 questions are True or False. The remaining questions are multiple choice.

My guess is that it likely is too easy.

3. A thumbprint is required, followed by a federal background check.

I think the Federal background system can be improved with better/more info uploaded from states.

4. 10 day waiting period.

I think the waiting period is pointless. Allow enough time for the background- more is just trying to look like you are doing something when you are not.

5. Physically display how to load, fire, unload, eject the magazine and render the weapon to be in a safe condition.

Makes sense. Kind of like doing a drivers test before getting your drivers license- show the basic ability to operate the machine.

 
Leviathan said:
RedmondLonghorn said:
The test and the demonstration seem like window-dressing to me.

The only ones that matter, really, are the waiting period and the background check. I am a gun owner and I have no objections with those two requirements. But even if those requirements were standardized across the entire country, I am not sure they would make a noticeable difference in terms of some of the random crazy shootings.

The specifics of how the background check really works is another interesting issue. Poor information sharing, clerical errors and balancing the need to report "mental illness" versus medical privacy requirements are all real challenges.
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Seemed pointless to me as well. In order to take the test, you have to pony up $25. REVENUE!!!
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I thought the same thing. Then realized there are people out there who want to buy a gun for protection and have no clue whatsoever on how to handle one. It may seem basic comon sense to you and me, but if it catches someone loading a gun while the barrel is facing them, then it could and will probably save an accidental shooting death. An acidental shooting that would look bad on responsible gun owners.

i am for more requirements of actual self defense classes and saftey if it meant less gun control.

 
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Leviathan said:
Sinn Fein said:
Why did you buy a gun?

Not opposed to guns, just curious.
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I wanted a new carry weapon. I have a CCW and wanted to upgrade in capacity, less bulk (width to be specific) and power.
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So, does carrying a gun make you feel safer? Did you/do you feel unsafe without a gun?

I guess I have never felt unsafe - to the point where I wanted to carry a weapon. I am trying to understand that mind-set. My FIL has a bunch of guns, and he carries - but that is mostly just because he can. I don't think he does it to feel safer. (If civilization ever came to an end, we'd probably trek down to my in-laws ~20 miles where the guns might be more useful...)

With kids in the house, if I ever did get a gun, I'd be so worried about an accident that I'd keep it locked up all the time - which seems to defeat most of the purpose for having a weapon for security.

 
ATC1 said:
Leviathan said:
RedmondLonghorn said:
The test and the demonstration seem like window-dressing to me.

The only ones that matter, really, are the waiting period and the background check. I am a gun owner and I have no objections with those two requirements. But even if those requirements were standardized across the entire country, I am not sure they would make a noticeable difference in terms of some of the random crazy shootings.

The specifics of how the background check really works is another interesting issue. Poor information sharing, clerical errors and balancing the need to report "mental illness" versus medical privacy requirements are all real challenges.
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Seemed pointless to me as well. In order to take the test, you have to pony up $25. REVENUE!!!
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I thought the same thing. Then realized there are people out there who want to buy a gun for protection and have no clue whatsoever on how to handle one. It may seem basic comon sense to you and me, but if it catches someone loading a gun while the barrel is facing them, then it could and will probably save an accidental shooting death. An acidental shooting that would look bad on responsible gun owners. i am for more requirements of actual self defense classes and saftey if it meant less gun control.
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Valid point. :thumbup: I grew up around firearms, so it is second nature. I can see why a total noob should be required to display proper gun handling. I stand corrected.
 
Sinn Fein said:
Leviathan said:
Sinn Fein said:
Why did you buy a gun?

Not opposed to guns, just curious.
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I wanted a new carry weapon. I have a CCW and wanted to upgrade in capacity, less bulk (width to be specific) and power.
Click to expand...
So, does carrying a gun make you feel safer? Did you/do you feel unsafe without a gun?

I guess I have never felt unsafe - to the point where I wanted to carry a weapon. I am trying to understand that mind-set. My FIL has a bunch of guns, and he carries - but that is mostly just because he can. I don't think he does it to feel safer. (If civilization ever came to an end, we'd probably trek down to my in-laws ~20 miles where the guns might be more useful...)

With kids in the house, if I ever did get a gun, I'd be so worried about an accident that I'd keep it locked up all the time - which seems to defeat most of the purpose for having a weapon for security.
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I don't feel safer. Maybe more aware of the situation. Like sitting facing the entrance of a resturant or other places that I can carry.

As stated before I carry to be the precieved threat. I carry because in doing so a crimminal will consider not commiting a heinous crime in a place where even 1 out of 15 people could be carrying a weapon. I choose to be one of those individuals.

As far as the saftey in the house. Sure the kids are taught to never touch any gun loaded or not, but mine is still locked up in a safe loaded by my bed. I used a GunVault finger lock for quick access.

http://www.gunsafes.com/GunVault-Mini-Standard-GV1000C-STD.html?gdftrk=gdfV21882_a_7c249_a_7c7324_a_7cGV1000C_d_STD&gclid=CL-FzuCVrsgCFdccgQodnNYAyA

Easy to access in the dark and can be really quick with minimal practice.

 
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Sinn Fein said:
Leviathan said:
Sinn Fein said:
Why did you buy a gun?

Not opposed to guns, just curious.
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I wanted a new carry weapon. I have a CCW and wanted to upgrade in capacity, less bulk (width to be specific) and power.
Click to expand...
So, does carrying a gun make you feel safer? Did you/do you feel unsafe without a gun?

I guess I have never felt unsafe - to the point where I wanted to carry a weapon. I am trying to understand that mind-set. My FIL has a bunch of guns, and he carries - but that is mostly just because he can. I don't think he does it to feel safer. (If civilization ever came to an end, we'd probably trek down to my in-laws ~20 miles where the guns might be more useful...)

With kids in the house, if I ever did get a gun, I'd be so worried about an accident that I'd keep it locked up all the time - which seems to defeat most of the purpose for having a weapon for security.
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No to both. It isn't a paranoia thing with me. I've been around firearms since Moby **** was a minnow. I would describe it as always being prepared. I have carried for 20+ years without ever having to draw my weapon. Hoping the next 20 years is the same. :)
 
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:lol: Damn phone!!

ETA: I fixed it! On my phone! This is a huge accomplishment for me! :excited:

 
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[icon] said:
Leviathan said:
Sinn Fein said:
Why did you buy a gun?

Not opposed to guns, just curious.
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I wanted a new carry weapon. I have a CCW and wanted to upgrade in capacity, less bulk (width to be specific) and power.
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Go with a single stack Shield or Glock subcompact?
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Shield in 40 S&W. I would describe the magazine as being a staggered stack. The pistol is less than an inch wide. Huge improvement over what I am currently carrying.
 
Leviathan said:
Shield in 40 S&W. I would describe the magazine as being a staggered stack. The pistol is less than an inch wide. Huge improvement over what I am currently carrying.
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Are you sure you have a M&P shield, as it is definitely a single-stack magazine.

I owned a Shield in 9mm and have shot it in 40cal. Solid little pistol that many really enjoy. For me, just not a fan. In my side by side range time with it, I found it to be less accurate than my G26 in my hands. Also I'm not a fan of the mag release, and I just prefer the trigger pull/release on the Sold mine off. That said... many love it, including a couple buddies.

Enjoy.. definitely a very nice carry piece! :thumbup:

 
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Leviathan said:
[icon] said:
Leviathan said:
Sinn Fein said:
Why did you buy a gun?

Not opposed to guns, just curious.
Click to expand...
I wanted a new carry weapon. I have a CCW and wanted to upgrade in capacity, less bulk (width to be specific) and power.
Click to expand...
Go with a single stack Shield or Glock subcompact?
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Shield in 40 S&W. I would describe the magazine as being a staggered stack. The pistol is less than an inch wide. Huge improvement over what I am currently carrying.
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Apex trigger kit, stat.

 
California sounds 100% identical to Minnesota. I think the background check needs to be much more expansive. Perhaps includong non-family references would be a start.

 
Leviathan said:
I haven't purchased a firearm in the Golden State for over 20 years. This is the process that I went through to do so. I personally do not have any objections to the requirements.

Looking for opinions regarding whether or not the requirements are enough, or should it be more difficult to do so.

1. Your ID (drivers lisense or state ID) plus proof of your physical address. Vehicle registration, utility bill qualifies.

2. A 30 question test. 10 questions are True or False. The remaining questions are multiple choice.

3. A thumbprint is required, followed by a federal background check.

4. 10 day waiting period.

Is there room for improvement?
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Why is the state of California disenfranchising the poor and black communities? They have a right to guns too.

 
I hope you wont take this the wrong way but untrained people carrying a gun don't make me feel safer. Maybe you have had some experience in the military or law enforcement my notebook isn't always great but I don't recall you mentioning it.

If you haven't IMO you have no business carrying with the thought of using a gun in a public stress situation. None. You are far more dangerous to the bystanders than the bad guy if you actually pull it in 99.99% of all situations.

When I was younger I carried because I could but I outgrew it. At least I had military training and under fire experience. And still I recognized that the times when it would be prudent to fire that weapon in public were extremely limited.

Further despite the infotainment drenching us in violence each night the reality is violent crimes are way down nationally from when I did carry.

You want to keep it home to protect the family? Fair enough. Carrying it in public and facing the door just in case? Leave it home.

 
Rayderr said:
Leviathan said:
I haven't purchased a firearm in the Golden State for over 20 years. This is the process that I went through to do so. I personally do not have any objections to the requirements.

Looking for opinions regarding whether or not the requirements are enough, or should it be more difficult to do so.

1. Your ID (drivers lisense or state ID) plus proof of your physical address. Vehicle registration, utility bill qualifies.

2. A 30 question test. 10 questions are True or False. The remaining questions are multiple choice.

3. A thumbprint is required, followed by a federal background check.

4. 10 day waiting period.

Is there room for improvement?
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Why is the state of California disenfranchising the poor and black communities? They have a right to guns too.
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Nah, Democrats only care about ID's when it comes to voting.

 
NCCommish said:
I hope you wont take this the wrong way but untrained people carrying a gun don't make me feel safer. Maybe you have had some experience in the military or law enforcement my notebook isn't always great but I don't recall you mentioning it.

If you haven't IMO you have no business carrying with the thought of using a gun in a public stress situation. None. You are far more dangerous to the bystanders than the bad guy if you actually pull it in 99.99% of all situations.

When I was younger I carried because I could but I outgrew it. At least I had military training and under fire experience. And still I recognized that the times when it would be prudent to fire that weapon in public were extremely limited.

Further despite the infotainment drenching us in violence each night the reality is violent crimes are way down nationally from when I did carry.

You want to keep it home to protect the family? Fair enough. Carrying it in public and facing the door just in case? Leave it home.
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There is access to training outside military and law enforcement.

 
NCCommish said:
I hope you wont take this the wrong way but untrained people carrying a gun don't make me feel safer. Maybe you have had some experience in the military or law enforcement my notebook isn't always great but I don't recall you mentioning it.
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I go shoot with a lot of cops. I'm not sure a random civillian with a dozen or so range hours is as step down.

 
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