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Are you in favor of deploying a substantial number of American ground (1 Viewer)
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The General
Footballguy
Hell to the No
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
What ####### moron would be in favor of this?
timschochet
Footballguy
Well it's a close vote so far!
DocHolliday
Footballguy
No. No end in sight for this mess.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Otis?
Hoss Style
Footballguy
Without knowing too much about the plus and minuses for this particular situation - No.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
tommyboy
Footballguy
i'm the only yes vote. arghh.
substantial to me would be a few hundred special forces, some air support and maybe 5,000 regular infrantry.
but, unless the pentagon loosens their rules of engagement to allow for more aggressive targetting and actions, then I'd change my vote to zero
substantial to me would be a few hundred special forces, some air support and maybe 5,000 regular infrantry.
but, unless the pentagon loosens their rules of engagement to allow for more aggressive targetting and actions, then I'd change my vote to zero
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
"blow jobs: yay or nay?"
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
skol asylum
Footballguy
Watching CNN coverage. Goes to commercial break and there's an ad for Turkish Airlines.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
tommyboy
Footballguy
ISIS- headquarters in Raqqa.
destroy them completely, seize control of the oil pipelines, end the illicit trade in slaves and antiquities, which would pretty much wipe out most of ISIS source of income.
keep a small force in place for many years to ensure security.
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Yes if we have a coalition of troops and all country's involved send equal number of troops....I want the Russians to go in with us. Also I would like us to throw away the rules of combat that only we fight by and fight dirty ... F everyone of those Jihadist up. I'm talking major overkill. ..What about collateral damage. F collateral damage....war sucks and innocent people die, If we have to clean up other peoples mess because they are incapable that's on them. One more thing, what happens at war stays at war..These people do not understand being humane. You have to cut their **** off and shove it in their ###.
bagger
Footballguy
this. Let's see Saudi Arabia deploy ground troops if it doesn't want it's region de stabilized. I would rather pay $6 per gallon for gas than continue to "help" middle eastern countries only to have it spew more hated via terror cells due to our presence there.It's not our problem.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
roadkill1292
Footballguy
We can't win in situations like the poll is suggesting and neither can anybody else.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
Wondering - If you were living in an apartment in Chicago, and somehow an ISIS cell had gotten embedded in one of the units in your building, and The FBI knew it but didnt know who it was or which apartment it was - would you be OK with them just blowing up the building to be sure they got 'em? Of course you and your family are collateral damage, but that's to be expected, yes?
I'm not saying whether I agree with you or not. I'm just saying it's not as black and white as you make it out to be.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
92/8 sort of just proves the point that a vocal 5-10% can really skew perceptions of a debate.
ETA: I would have thought Otis and his aliases would be more than 8%.
ETA: I would have thought Otis and his aliases would be more than 8%.
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Insein
Footballguy
And who says were at a keyboard? Most of us are probably on phones or tablets at this point.Would you rather I supported OTHER Americans going over there?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Let russia and turkey handle it
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
Heck no. There is no end game there to be had.
FUBAR
Footballguy
The 2nd won't happen, so the first shouldn't either.
Honestly, do you have any clue of which you speak?
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Do I know the ISIS cell is there? Because if I do and my family and I are still living there then yes. See that is our problem, it is black and white for them, only we pay attention to the gray. If we go over there and we have a group of our soldiers in an apartment building mixed in with their innocent people do you think that would stop them from bombing that building.
Clifford
Footballguy
I'm a yes vote, but
Part of an international coalition, not leading
Equal troops from EU countries and MidEast allies that have a more substantial dog in this fight
No nation building - this is simply an extermination of ISIS and a commitment to return in a year or two to exterminate whatever bugs take their place
Absolutely zero restrictions on methods of targeting or combat
Understanding that this will lead to massive civilian casualties in combat zone
Understanding that this will lead to massive military casualties on all sides
OR
We cut off the entire Mideast from the world
Iraq, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Afghanistan, Egypt, and all other Muslim countries outside of Turkey subject to:
No imports
No exports other than oil
No travel to or from under any circumstances
Absolutely no immigration of any kind
Massive, crippling sanctions
No fly zones
Patrolled borders, anyone coming or going across killed on sight
OR
We simply live with Terrorism and never address ISIS or the MidEast
IOW there is no solution we can enact that will be effective. We can either treat the Mideast as an infestation zone that will foster and grow terrorist networks that the rest of the world will have to exterminate every couple of years, or we can isolate the entire region, or we can accept death via terrorism.
There are three options, none of them good. The only that will ever solve terrorism is an internal, societal rejection of the current societal states in the breeding ground countries, which would involve a massive reformation of Islam that would repeal Sharia Law, confer equal rights regardless of gender, nationality, and religion, and divest the ruling families of funds derived from shared resources (oil) and redistribute the revenue to the citizens of each country.
Until then, I think if the rest of the world wants to protect itself, it has to committ itself to a never-ending peacekeeping mission aimed at military removal of terrorist networks regardless of host country.
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Clifford
Footballguy
We made a decision to not destroy the oil pipelines and infrastructure when they gained control. We need to reverse that decision immediately and take it all out. Destroy all infrastructure where they occupy.
ISIS succeeds because they do govern and have infrastructure. Taking it away is the first step.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Syria is a mess. In the current conditions I don't see objectives being met in a clear and concise way.
Deployment to Iraq- yes. We could push Daesh out of Iraq and stabilize that country and it would not be too costly. It would likely have the result of Daesh imploding in Syria as well.
Deployment to Iraq- yes. We could push Daesh out of Iraq and stabilize that country and it would not be too costly. It would likely have the result of Daesh imploding in Syria as well.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Cool. Then you already know we aren't going to "fight dirty" here, at least not publicly with a "substantial amount of ground troops", and what happens at war never really stays at war.
Also that we aren't going to win anything by saying "F collateral damage! bombs away!!!"
Bucky86
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St. Louis Bob
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Buttdickka says: "I want the Russians to go in with us."
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Hey look who arrived at the party..Ms. BuckyHow courageous of you knowing that you'd never actually be in this situation.
The General
Footballguy
Very Trumpian thing to say. The guy just negotiates with people and they do exactly what he wants. Very special that way.Buttdickka says: "I want the Russians to go in with us."
Clifford
Footballguy
We are talking about fighting people who want nothing more than to die in battle. With us. It's hard to win when your goal is to live and preserve your way of life.
ISIS is a massive death cult we have allowed to become far too large. The only way you can beat ISIS is not try and be the good guy. ISIS succeeds because there is no will to stand up to them, and that is because human life simply isn't ascribed the value that it is in Western Countries.
Killing indiscriminately is not even a mental barrier for our enemy. Deliberately killing civilians is not a barrier. Torture is not a barrier.
To truly defeat ISIS you need to change the entire MidEast from the ground up. We can't do that. Only they can do that.
To minimize the damage they inflict on the rest of the world, you need to periodically bust them up when they reach capacity for conducting operations outside the MidEast.
ISIS is a massive death cult we have allowed to become far too large. The only way you can beat ISIS is not try and be the good guy. ISIS succeeds because there is no will to stand up to them, and that is because human life simply isn't ascribed the value that it is in Western Countries.
Killing indiscriminately is not even a mental barrier for our enemy. Deliberately killing civilians is not a barrier. Torture is not a barrier.
To truly defeat ISIS you need to change the entire MidEast from the ground up. We can't do that. Only they can do that.
To minimize the damage they inflict on the rest of the world, you need to periodically bust them up when they reach capacity for conducting operations outside the MidEast.
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