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Yep, QB play held him back.
never won anything - Don't see this as valid. Its a team game and WRs cant do it alone.
Agreed and I am not trying to make the argument that Swann was better than Johnson but you can't compare receiving statistics from the 70s to now. It is a completely different game.
Agreed, but stats are a big determining factor. Besides stats, all you have left is nonsense like "didn't elevate the play of his team".
I know as a Viking's fan, he was the one you would game plan to stop. They has no other talent. None.
Right, which is stupid. No matter what anyone thinks of Johnson, the premise from Swann is dumb.
Neither did Dan Marino, Terrell Owens, Cris Carter and many many others
If Lynn Swann played on any other team in any era, he wouldn't be in the HOF. There is that . . .
#pokethebear
I saw every game Lynn Swann played in the NFL. He was a pretty special receiver playing in an era where the running game was king and defensive backs could play a much more physical game. He also came up big in big games. It is all subjective but a lot of sports writers that saw him play agreed that he was HoF worthy.
I wouldn't worry about TO. Keeping a dude off the first ballot in this case is just a way to scoff at his locker room antics and say eff you. He'll be in next year. No way a guy like him won't get in. Calvin will be in, I have no doubt. Even if he's right on the border, he'll get the benefit of the doubt cause he's been such a stand up guy.
Actually, it is exactly like that.
You're a Steelers fan and I'm sure you know more about Swann than I do so I'll defer that maybe he was special in his own way to warrant the selection but what I was saying/asking if anyone cares to answer: If you saw Swann back then and you can objectively remove him from the benefits he received from being on THOSE Steelers teams, is he the type of player who could have carved out a HOF career/resume had he played on the Niners, the Pats, the Bears, Rams, etc at the time he played? Was he "steve Smith" special in the way that it just doesn't matter...he s going to get his Or is he simply more likely to be a guy that won a lot on great teams and because defenses had other poisons to pick, somebody had to be the benefactor (not saying he was charity case, just asking if he was THE guy on a "regular" team back then, is he still as impressive?).
Nope. Not seeing it.
And that's part of the point too. Longevity has to be considered.
Why does longevity have to be considered? He's played in more games than lots of HOFers. It isn't like he had two good years and called it a career.
I agree with this and I wasn't arguing that Andre Johnson is a HOF-er either.
I still prefer someone who must be accounted for on every play over guys who might post "top 10 All Time" numbers.
If my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon.I already said he has HOF talent. But he didn't have HOF production.Max Power said:
Lolwhut? So if you look purely at season by season stats and never add them up into career numbers, you don't think those season by season numbers represent a great player?
Not HOF great, no.
Agreed.
I think being a WR on the 70s Steelers where they featured the running game and playing along side another HOF receiver hurt Swanns numbers more than it helped.Shutout said:
