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Todd Andrews

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In Topic: How To Get To Heaven When You Die

Today, 07:02 PM

 

 

 

 

I remember not too long ago on this board arguing with Politician Spock (and a few others) over some of these same things he is posting today.  Quite a turnaround for you since you attended Seminary, PSpock.  Christians get so hung up on inerrancy and, imo, miss the greater point of scripture. 
 
A good read on Paul that you might be interested in: 
 
The Fabricated Paul by German NT scholar Hermann Detering.  It can be borrowed for free if you are an Amazon Prime member. 
 
Detering makes a compelling argument regarding how Paul's theology of grace against the law came to be and how his letters were used/redacted by competing Christian sects.  He demonstrates the glaring differences of the Paul we see in Acts vs the Paul of the epistles.


Yes, I know full well what goes on in the head of a Christian who does not want to let go of Pauline doctrine. It is a life changing decision. Family and friends now look down on me. And while they don't directly call me a heretic, their eyes of heresy are impossible to ignore. It very much is just like waking up from a cult and having to walk away from all of it, but in this case it means pretty much walking away from your entire life.

I'm fortunate that my wife seems okay with it. I know she's not sure what to think. She can't deny that what I've learned is true, but she's nowhere near ready and willing to take a stand and be rejected by our world like I have been.

I don't regret it at all. If the cult was harmless, then I wouldn't have any reason to take a stand. But Christianity is anything but harmless. Slavery, women's suffrage, anti-semitism, etc, etc... have all used Paul's doctrines to support their social injustices. The hatred of gays is only the latest of Christian crimes against humanity, and non of it was actually taught by Jesus. It's all from Paul.

 

Why would any Christian commit such heresy?  Paul is the Apostle of the Gentiles.  The other Books were written to the Jews under the Law and the Gospel of the Kingdom.  Even Peter affirmed Paul's writings. 

 

 

The truth is heretical in the eyes of orthodox Christianity. As such, I am no longer a Christian, as the truth is more important to me than conforming to the religious cult that I built my life around for three decades. 

 

Paul is a false apostle, recognized by the Church in Ephesus (Revelation 2:1-2) and all the churches in Asia that Revelation was written to (Revelation 1:4 & 2 Timothy 1:15). There are 12 apostles. No more (Revelation 21:14).

 

The authenticity of Peter being the real author of 2 Peter was not only questioned back in the fourth century when the cannon was being decided, today it's readily accepted by modern scholars to be a forgery.

 

If you really want to know what Jesus taught, ignore Paul. He doesn't even need to be rejected. Just ignore him, and see what God reveals to you. 

 

 

 

If there is a God that has inspired a book that has been distributed more widely and in more languages than any other book out there, I'd imagine that He wouldn't allow a fraudulent writer to be able to take up such a large amount of the book (especially of the NT).

 

 

And yet that God lets babies be slaughtered.

Your primitive anthropomorphism of the divine is interesting. You really think GOD is worried about how much space an exaggerator and prevaricator takes up in a book about him that the orthodox Catholic bishops organized?


In Topic: How To Get To Heaven When You Die

Today, 06:57 PM

 

 

Christians get so hung up on inerrancy and, imo, miss the greater point of scripture. 

 

 

I agree with you that inerrancy is silly, but I'm curious to hear what you think the greater point of scripture is

 

 

That the Bible is not a book that a person can read from front to back in an attempt to gain understanding of a story someone is telling.  It is a library that spans many years across the many understandings of various writers interested in sharing their points of view to an audience that makes up their own communities. 

 

Of the gospels, I believe Mark was written first and it was not his intent to pen a historical biography of the life of Jesus of Nazareth.  I believe this sets the tone for the rest of the gospels and Acts.  Marks shows that the disciples were dull and really didn't grasp what "Christ" actually was or meant.  Jesus is found/foretold in the Hebrew scriptures and the disciples (and the nation of Israel) didn't understand his role/mission.  Matthew comes along and has a slightly different point to make.  He corrects some of the 'mistakes' that he feels Mark made here and there.  Ditto Luke.  By the time John's gospel is written, the nature of Jesus has changed (at least in the author's eyes).  He is now God himself in the flesh.  His point is different yet again from Mark and the others. 

Trying to harmonize events from these different gospels often causes, imo, readers to miss the point each writer is making with his version of who Christ really is.  It's a library of stories and teachings of Christ told from different points of view.  Inerrancy is counter-productive because the apologist is more concerned with showing how 100% of the details of a story match perfectly with the same details of another story in the gospels than he is with the actual understanding of the story itself. 

 

So what's the greater point of scripture?  To me it is the telling of the good news of the kingdom of God and the offer of salvation.  It is a direct reflection of why there were so many varying sects of believers.  Different points of view.  Is every story true?  of course not.  If it has to all be historically accurate and true then you might as well believe it is inerrant as well. 

 

I believe Paul had a different view of Jesus, certainly, than say, Matthew, or the book of James.  But I feel that it is all beneficial and the sum of the Bible is greater than its individual parts. 

 

 

The Gospels are Jewish midrash.

 

Paul Hellenized Jesus and his "story" to move it away from Judaism, and the truth, in my opinion.


In Topic: What happened in Cincinnati Saturday night?

Today, 06:35 PM

 

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How old are you Todd? I hope to God you're some clueless teenager who hasn't grown up yet. Either that or some really bad industrial accident.

 

 

I am 7, why?

 

My turn for a question: Why do you have Mandingo on the brain constantly?


In Topic: What happened in Cincinnati Saturday night?

Today, 06:28 PM

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In Topic: What happened in Cincinnati Saturday night?

Today, 06:24 PM

Here's a bunch of white people doing the exact same thing.

It's just a stupid fight. Dumb white guy should have walked away in each video, but had to show everyone that he was a tough guy and got a beat down.

 

THE HOORRRORRRR!!!!!!!!