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  1. Here are the stats:http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/4221Hendricks also had Octagon control and was the aggressor all three rounds. I just don't see how you could score that a draw. Not saying that it wasn't the best fight I've seen in a long time and I don't have any doubt Condit would have gotten the finish had it been 5 rounds.Hendricks deserves the title shot, he has for a while. A draw would have screwed that up. Ellenberger vs Maia needs to happen to determine the next in line.ETA: I don't disagree about needing more 10-10 rounds. But the takedowns in this fight should have been scored accordingly.Significant strikesRound 1 22-25Round 2 26-24Round 3 21-45I don't think takedowns are necessarily octagon control. Condit got up 4 times. Other than being on top, I don't think Hendricks controlled Condit when inside of Condit's guard.
  2. I wasn't paying really close attention, but I had Hendrick-Condit as a 29-29 draw, but I personally think a lot of rounds should be scored 10-10. I think GSP is too long for Hendricks. GSP would keep the fight outside of Hendricks' range. Takedown attempts would start from so far away that GSP would have time to stuff them. Lunging left hooks would give GSP openings for takedowns. Plus Hendricks offense seems so limited, I'm pretty confident that GSP's team would have him very prepared.
  3. Vs Hendricks, I'm pretty confident that GSP controls distance way better than Condit was able to. Condit lacks enough punching power to make Hendricks fearful of just lunging in winging his left. GSP probably keeps him at range and jabs at him until Hendricks charges with a left hook. After GSP times it, I'd expect him to take Hendricks down as he comes in. Hendricks' power gives him a shot clearly, but I'd take GSP comfortably at -250.
  4. Outside of a lucky shot, Diaz's main avenue to victory is to get GSP fighting at a pace too quick for GSP to sustain. Either through taunting or just being really aggressive, Diaz has to get GSP gassed out. Only then could Diaz beat on GSP standing or catch him in a sub. I could possibly see the fight going like Sonnen-Silva 1 with GSP playing Sonnen and having a lapse in concentration for going at such a pace for 20+ minutes.
  5. Kobe is and has been a very good player, all-star level guy for all but his first few seasons in the league. He seems to be incredibly hard working and should be commended for his commitment in the off season to improving. That is going to be the lasting effect on his legacy, that there is no off season for him. The guys who played on the Olympic teams probably learned a lot from his regarding his commitment to improving. However, he's never been a top 3 player in the league. He's quite overrated by the media (not his fault obviously) as his defensive awards and 1st teams show. He's not a top 10 player of all time. He's been a key player on some very good teams and a lot of success because of this. Sorry if it's "hating" to point this out.Look, I hate the guy, and do not think he belongs in the conversation for the best player of all-time. His terrible shot selection alone hurts him tremendously. But he absolutely has been a top 3 player (for multiple seasons) in the league. And saying that he's simply a key player on very good teams is a drastic understatement.Which seasons?Lets go with 05-06 & 06-07.Duncan, Garnett, LeBron, Wade, Shaq, Nash probably had better years during that span.
  6. The one "chink in the armor" with Jordan is that he never faced a quality big man in the finals. He got Kareem at the end of his career and owned Ewing, who was a little overrated. He lost to shaq and never has to deal with Hakeem. Just saying ...So we are defining 'Big Man' as something that doesn't include Karl Malone, obviously.Or Charles Barkley or Shawn Kemp in his prime. As for the East playoffs, it also doesn't include Alonzo Mourning whose Hornets/Heat faced them 3 years in a row. Or perennial All-Star Daugherty for those Cavs teams.Don't make me laugh. During Kobe's 5 championships, he had to face 3 extremely good teams: the Sacramento Kings of the early 2000s, the San Antonio Spurs of the 2000s, and the Boston Celtics of the late 2000s. As good as the Bulls were, they never faced a team as good as those 3. The best team the Bulls faced was the Utah Jazz, and the Jazz weren't as good as any of the teams I just mentioned.You are outside your mind. The suns, jazz, and sonics would annihilate the teams you referenced.I agree with Tim regarding the teams he mentioned vs. the teams you mentioned. The 2000s Spurs teams have multiple championships to attest to their greatness. The Celtics won a championship with a Big Three (plus Rondo) that was a better than any foursome on those 90s teams, and those Kings teams were very competitive and deep. I'm one of the many who believe the Kings got screwed by the refs out of a trip to the Finals.The Jazz had two of the best players ever and played great team ball, but when you look at the rest of the pieces around Stockton and Mslone and they weren't that great. Ditto for the Sonics around Kemp and Payton, and Kemp wasn't as rounded a player as other superstars. The Suns team was loaded with talent but couldn't get it done.EDIT: As someone pointed out Jordan had to get over very good Pistons teams in the East.Detlef Schrempf was a really good player.And teams in Bryant's era were probably better than in Jordan's because there were a similar number of teams, but many international players added to the player pool that really weren't there when Jordan played.
  7. Kobe is and has been a very good player, all-star level guy for all but his first few seasons in the league. He seems to be incredibly hard working and should be commended for his commitment in the off season to improving. That is going to be the lasting effect on his legacy, that there is no off season for him. The guys who played on the Olympic teams probably learned a lot from his regarding his commitment to improving. However, he's never been a top 3 player in the league. He's quite overrated by the media (not his fault obviously) as his defensive awards and 1st teams show. He's not a top 10 player of all time. He's been a key player on some very good teams and a lot of success because of this. Sorry if it's "hating" to point this out.Look, I hate the guy, and do not think he belongs in the conversation for the best player of all-time. His terrible shot selection alone hurts him tremendously. But he absolutely has been a top 3 player (for multiple seasons) in the league. And saying that he's simply a key player on very good teams is a drastic understatement.Which seasons?
  8. Kobe is and has been a very good player, all-star level guy for all but his first few seasons in the league. He seems to be incredibly hard working and should be commended for his commitment in the off season to improving. That is going to be the lasting effect on his legacy, that there is no off season for him. The guys who played on the Olympic teams probably learned a lot from his regarding his commitment to improving. However, he's never been a top 3 player in the league. He's quite overrated by the media (not his fault obviously) as his defensive awards and 1st teams show. He's not a top 10 player of all time. He's been a key player on some very good teams and a lot of success because of this. Sorry if it's "hating" to point this out.I believe the all defensive teams are voted on by the head coaches in the league, not the media.A couple years ago JR Smith got multiple votes. If you can't see that all the award voting in the NBA is a joke, I'm not sure what to tell you.I didn't express an opinion on the quality of the selections. I'm just pointing out that it isn't the media that decides that all defensive team as the poster I replied to asserted. I do trust the coaches more than random internet message board guys though.Fine, the coaches who vote for Kobe regularly as a member of the all defensive team clearly overrate him.
  9. Kobe is and has been a very good player, all-star level guy for all but his first few seasons in the league. He seems to be incredibly hard working and should be commended for his commitment in the off season to improving. That is going to be the lasting effect on his legacy, that there is no off season for him. The guys who played on the Olympic teams probably learned a lot from his regarding his commitment to improving. However, he's never been a top 3 player in the league. He's quite overrated by the media (not his fault obviously) as his defensive awards and 1st teams show. He's not a top 10 player of all time. He's been a key player on some very good teams and a lot of success because of this. Sorry if it's "hating" to point this out.
  10. I have no idea how that fight could have been scored for Henderson. Nor do I see what Machida could do given his style. Henderson is much stronger than him, so he can't get into exchanges, but Dan's 1.5 round endurance and covering up style doesn't really provide any openings for guys.
  11. Gustaffson, Glover, Cormier, Henderson and Davis are all more worthy candidates who haven't had a shot yet.I think you guys are off on this one. There are times in MMA that we can relax and take it for some enjoyment, a la Silva-Bonner. I don't think anybody will think seeing Chael and Jones bicker on TV won't be fun to watch.As for your list, i will argue with a few. Cormier needs to get to LHW first, and fight his first fight in the UFC I think before we push him into a title fight. Davis got destroyed by Rashad a fight ago, and beating Prado is a long way from a title shot. Henderson is possible, but I am not sure the status of his knee and how he is doing health wise. You can argue Glover and Gustaffson, but I think that would be a big mistake. You have 2 future title contenders there, let them come along at a good pace (like they did with Jones and didn't rush him in). Throwing those guys in too fast could throw a wrench in their long-term career and I am glad they don't need to do it, unless they are forced into it (like Jones was when Rashad got hurt).And it is stretching it, but i think an argument can be made for Chael. his last 2 fights were against the pound-for-pound best fighter (notice how no longer questionable, i think he has to be considered #1 at this point), and he was less than a minute away fro winning the first fight. Not saying Chael has a chance against Jones, but i would rather see Glover take on 2 big names like Rampage and somebody else before he gets in there. i also think the #1 contender needs to be Machida, but i think he and Hendo are getting a slap on the wrist for not taking the jones fight when it was offered to them. Actually, i think it was Shogun, not Hendo, but i think all 3 are in the dog house. I also think Dana getting Jones on TUF is him providing the champ a venue to get some fans and convince people he is a good guy and not a d-bag. Not sure he will be successful, but that is an easy way to try and do itI agree that most of the guys listed are not really ready for a title shot but they are the next best fighters who would not be a rematch. I would put Shogun and Machida ahead of all of them (if Shogun beats Gustafsson). Glover isn't getting any younger (32). And he could easily get another fight (like against Rampage) in before an April title fight. That would have built his name up sufficiently to be able to sell a title fightt.re: Gustaffson. They are already throwing him in against Shogun. The next step up after Shogun is a title shot. If they were going to bring him along slow, he should be fighting someone else.Hendo has more months before an April fight. I`d think his knee would be okay by then.White is just selling tickets and getting away from everything he preaches. In no way should a middleweight washout, who in most peoples opinion lost to Michael freaking Bisping, be getting a title shot.ETA: And there is a big difference between Silva vs Bonnar and Jones vs Sonnen.The champ was stepping up in weight to fight a bigger man albeit not a very talented one. Not fighting middleweight. Silva stepped up to `save` the card. He did the UFC a big favor. Jones vs Sonnen is 7+ months away!I know I'm a little behind on this, but Sonnen seems to be as legit of a contender the guy who was supposed to be the #1 contender in Machida. Sonnen is anywhere from a +475 to +605 for his upcoming fight vs Jones. Machida was +420 to +445 at fight time vs Jones in Dec. 2011. It was Jones' 2nd title defense. After that, Jones has run off 2 more wins, not including his win vs Machida. So I can't image the odds for a Machida rematch being too much different than the current odds on Sonnen vs. Jones. Whether or not Sonnen is deserving is another story, but from the standpoint of competitive matchmaking, Sonnen isn't that much worse than seemingly anyone else in the LHW division, aside from Anderson.
  12. I just don't agree. He had a bad game against what possibly might be the best defense in the NFL. Look at what happened to Luck last week. These guys are only rookies. Come on! If you're at least going to say things like this, give some insight as to why you feel this way. It's only opinion....not fact.He's had several questionable games. People are just blinded when he has a good game. He throws into the crowd as many times as he throws to a WR. He isnt ready.As I said, he's a rookie.Yes he is. Also the reason I am sure many are sick of me saying this, but Flynn should have been the day 1 starter. 5 of 7 games less than 160 yards passing. Twice already in 6 games he has throw for 130 yards and less. that's true, but you can always pull out whichever stat supports your view.his ypa on the season, prior to tonight I assume, is 7.3.who else has a 7.3 ypa....?aaron rodgers drew breesmatt ryan beats all those guys out at 7.4they don't have him throwing the ball all that much.he's probably last in the league in att/game, so crucifying him on total yardage is pretty pointless.This is a nice number for sure, but you can throw that stat out the window when it is 3rd down and Wilson is not getting it done.I remembering having this long argument a couple of year ago with you JustWinBaby when it came to YPA. I was aruging that it is a nice stat but not everything. You were arguing up and down that because Rivers had a better YPA that it was more important stat when comparing him to Peyton Manning. I said give me the guy who can move the chains consistently and get first downs even if his YPA was not as good like Mannings that year. This year Rivers has been awful but he has a 7.9 ypa.They put a stat up last night about Seattle being 4 for 21 or something when it is 3rd and longer than 5. When you neeed to make throws you need to make them. Right now Wilson is not getting it done on 3rd downs, and Seattle offense is not getting it done in general. I get they are being conservative and have had moderate success this year (4 and 3 record) with what they are doing.The problem is they had moderate success last year as a .500 team, however this year they have an even better defense and they are one game above .500 even though they were gifted one of those wins.Furthermore, you could argue that Wilson's YPA could/would come down if he attempted more passes. I just don't think that Wilson is ready yet.compare YPA AND success rate.and for Wilson, what I don't understand is that Carroll coaching as if he doesn't trust Wilson to play QB well, but he won't bench him for Flynn. give the kid a shot or don't, seattle's margin of error playing this style is razor thin AND they have to get lucky.
  13. GSP has a similar reach to Silva and would be probably the quickest opponent Silva has faced. Sonnen was very effective vs Silva for 5 of 7 rounds and the logic is that GSP could replicate that. GSP probably doesn't have the strength of Sonnen and he's probably an inferior wrestler, but he's better at everything else than Sonnen. Better cardio, better striker, better grappler, more explosive better GnP, and he's a much better tactical fighter. I tend to think Greg Jackson and co are overrated in their gameplans, but I'd be curious as to what they come up with vs Silva. would guess that GSP would probably be a +200 in that fight, if he looks impressive vs Condit, so he'd be comparable to Sonnen.
  14. The OP, or someone else a few pages back, saying that Wilson will end up as a top 2 rookie QB from this class, or that he will be better than RG3. You just said both of those are wrong.So one fan (and a delusional one at that) is the basis of your argument? Ok. I've lost count of how many times I've tried to tell people that Scientist is a blind homer. We all have them. Every team. He's over the top. If you want direct an argument at him, please direct it at him. There's a much larger fan base that would have a rational discourse with you. I guess my "argument" is that Wilson will not make a great FF QB, and you guys are making my argument for me. When you have a "dominate defense" and a great running game....if that's your team's "mindset", then you will continue to have low scoring games where your QB doesn't have to put up big numbers for your team to have "success" (wins). As this is a RW bandwagon thread, I thought the discussion would be about RW, and not about the Seattle Seahawks, though. When you look at the top FF QBs so far this year, you do see some similar traits, though....poor defense and poor running game. As such, as long as this "mindset" you talk about continues, RW will not be a great or likely even good FF QB (which is the argument this thread should be about).Houston has a top D and arguably the best RB in the league. The running game holds back Schaub's numbers in a BIG way. He has proven that he has the ability to put the ball in the air, yet Kubiak's game plan continues to be run first, run second, in spite of having a very good QB and a Pro-Bowl WR in AJ. Russell is a rookie and is not being forced to put the team on his back like Luck/RG3/Tannehill is. I personally think that as Wilson develops and Seattle finds Wilson his "Andre Johnson and Owen Daniels", he'll be a very good QB. I think Wilson COULD become the QB that Philly wants Mike Vick to be.Schaub is incredibly efficient in his limited attempts. His career per pass stats rival those of Brady, Manning, Brees, etc. Wilson's per pass play numbers have him looking up at guys like Bradford, Weeden, Sanchez, and Cassell. Maybe he can turn it around, but so far he's been terrible.
  15. Flynn was the starter in how many of those games? Thus, he has not won more games than Wilson.Why does being the starter matter?
  16. You are anything but the voice of reason. The Seahawks win. Wilson gives them steady QB play with a chance to explode. They win. He is not putting up 5000/50 anytime soon but he does not need to do that to win. Control the ball, move the ball, score. Simple.He's on pace for 1900 yards passing and 16 touchdowns. So I think you meant to say he's not putting up 2500 yards passing / 20 touchdowns anytime soon. The only stat that matters is a "W". And, if he gets 10+ of those "W's", he might be a keeper.But Flynn has more career "W's" than Wilson.No he doesn't. Wilson is 3-2 as a starter; Flynn is 1-1. WTF are you talking about? http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-11/2011-green-bay-packers-football-schedule.php Flynn was member of teams that won more games. Winner!Flynn played in how many of those games? You must be confused with how this works.I must be. Both guys had their teams carry them to victories. What is the difference.
  17. You are anything but the voice of reason. The Seahawks win. Wilson gives them steady QB play with a chance to explode. They win. He is not putting up 5000/50 anytime soon but he does not need to do that to win. Control the ball, move the ball, score. Simple.He's on pace for 1900 yards passing and 16 touchdowns. So I think you meant to say he's not putting up 2500 yards passing / 20 touchdowns anytime soon. The only stat that matters is a "W". And, if he gets 10+ of those "W's", he might be a keeper.But Flynn has more career "W's" than Wilson.No he doesn't. Wilson is 3-2 as a starter; Flynn is 1-1. WTF are you talking about? http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-11/2011-green-bay-packers-football-schedule.php Flynn was member of teams that won more games. Winner!
  18. You are anything but the voice of reason. The Seahawks win. Wilson gives them steady QB play with a chance to explode. They win. He is not putting up 5000/50 anytime soon but he does not need to do that to win. Control the ball, move the ball, score. Simple.He's on pace for 1900 yards passing and 16 touchdowns. So I think you meant to say he's not putting up 2500 yards passing / 20 touchdowns anytime soon. The only stat that matters is a "W". And, if he gets 10+ of those "W's", he might be a keeper.But Flynn has more career "W's" than Wilson.No he doesn't. Wilson is 3-2 as a starter; Flynn is 1-1. WTF are you talking about? http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-11/2011-green-bay-packers-football-schedule.php
  19. You are anything but the voice of reason. The Seahawks win. Wilson gives them steady QB play with a chance to explode. They win. He is not putting up 5000/50 anytime soon but he does not need to do that to win. Control the ball, move the ball, score. Simple.He's on pace for 1900 yards passing and 16 touchdowns. So I think you meant to say he's not putting up 2500 yards passing / 20 touchdowns anytime soon. The only stat that matters is a "W". And, if he gets 10+ of those "W's", he might be a keeper.But Flynn has more career "W's" than Wilson.
  20. Seattle really needs to give Flynn a shot. RW is awful.
  21. Yes, you are crazy. I can't even give Bonnar a punchers chance since he is so slow and has so little power. Silva will dummy him. Is it three or five rounds? I could possibly see Bonnar holding him down long enough to eek out a decision in a three round fight. Not a chance in five rounds.Main event, 5 rounds.My reasoning is that I put a ton of weight into a fighter's reach, and Bonnar is the first person Anderson has fought where Anderson is at a reach disadvantage. If Bonnar's reach gives him a chance at distance and he can clinch with Anderson whenever they get close, he's got a small chance to get lucky.
  22. I am crazy giving Bonnar even a small chance and for thinking +817 is a good bet? But I think it'll around +900 by fight time,
  23. I wonder if knowing then what he knows now, if Dana would still offer fighters injury insurance.The UFC needs to put penalties for fighters missing fights due to injury into their contracts. Fighters and fight camps need to do much better job of taking care of themselves.