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  1. It’s upsetting because we’re jeopardizing any economic recovery before it even gets started. And it seems like non-essential activities that will be the cause. 30 million on unemployment? What happens if we need to lock it down again? Complete economic collapse? Wasn’t the point of re-opening to save the economy? Upsetting because of how irresponsible it is.
  2. You’re doing great work. Curious, are more or fewer people coming through recently? Phase 1 and Phase 2 hopefully get a lot of regional economic activity going so many more people can work. Every bit helps. New Yorkers pride themselves on hard work. Just need the opportunity.
  3. Maine is one of just a handful of states that has a Rt above 1 according to rt.live. I don’t know how they arrive at their statistic. That’s the only metric of theirs I’d be concerned about, 76 fatalities in a state with 1.3 million is decent for this catastrophe. My county has 1.5 million and 1,800 deaths, for comparison.
  4. Correct. Churches should be last, even. After sporting events. At least those have an economic benefit. Opening religious gatherings is probably the worst idea that’s been put into reopening plans. Garzub and the Choir. Google each with coronavirus. Religious ceremonies and group singing are specific super spreader events. So are conferences, for that matter. Do not go inside with a group of people. Do not sing on people. Or chant, or prey, or shake hands. It’s a virus people. It doesn’t care about your rights, or what you usually do, or like to do.
  5. All regions with low cases should have hospitals open for elective surgery and most other functions. Even Nassau County and Suffolk County are open for that now, and each of those counties have more deaths than ~40 states. More generally, the flip side is, those 40 states let’s call it: no more stimulus, no more unemployment checks, etc. Can’t be spared the sickness and have everyone collecting benefits in unaffected states at the same time. It’s consistent with the open up argument. The point of opening up isn’t so you can have fun or get a haircut (these are outcomes, but not the reason). The reason for opening up is so people can get off unemployment. That’s why we’re opening up. So get off unemployment and get back to work if you have low cases. Not opening to party. Opening up to work. I do realize the overlap that exists between people working in entertainment industries and a portion of the unemployment numbers. But 33 million people on unemployment? When a handful of states are taking the hit? Doesn’t make sense.
  6. Not to pile on, but congregating isn’t the move rn. I love my religious brethren of all types. Not now, not yet. It’s really about living. Not getting sick and dying. It’s a virus yo. It doesn’t care.
  7. That is one of the issues with the "7 metrics". The hospital bed % and ICU bed % available shouldn't be a hard stop. The city has 27% of hospital beds available, and 26% of ICU beds. A couple of more days of net hospitalizations decreasing and it's there, or a rise in bed capacity if needed and it's there. "Oh, but 27% isn't 30%?" The truth is the city needs 10 days-two more weeks, Long Island needs another week. But a couple of percentage points is the hold up? That's not going to fly with people soon. "You need 5,000 beds, you only have 4,800 sorry" isn't so logical when hospitalizations are decreasing obviously. The 7 metrics are good guidelines, especially when they first came out, but now it's 3 regions left and 3 metrics left. Let's focus and get this done and not get hung up on being too "perfect" with the data.
  8. Tend to agree. Hospitalizations and fatalities tend to be the "hardest" metrics. Percent of positive tests becomes more important once those two numbers are low and testing capacity is high, IMO.
  9. NY statewide numbers were reasonably positive again today. 373 new hospitalizations, ~5,800 total hospitalizations currently, 106 fatalities reported. The change in hospitalizations has moved in a positive direction for 35 days in a row. It has been a long climb down. It is going to take 3-4 weeks to really stamp things out downstate. If we could be as vigilant for 21 more days as we were at our peak vigilance (Westchester County, NYC, Long Island) we could break this thing. People won't be though, it's been tough and people are getting impatient, livelihoods are at stake, I get that. Northern NJ also needs to be vigilant, it's practically part of downstate NY too and the numbers reflect that.
  10. I absolutely promote mask wearing. Yes, the part of his story where they don’t wear PPE in the hospital is weird. But I can see the overall perspective though with case numbers like that in a county.
  11. TN has around 300K more people on unemployment now then when the shutdowns started. New claims reached their peak in TN on April 4th and have been declining pretty drastically since. But they’re still seeing 30K new claims per week, the pre-pandemic levels were around 3K per week. Nashville does have a busy airport and tourism sector. But they need to figure out how to get 150K back to work safely and cut that unemployment number in half. 290 people died across the state in 8 weeks. It’s the awful new reality. So how do we restore 300K peoples’ livelihood in TN where they dealt with 290 deaths in 8 weeks? Construction, manufacturing, healthcare, office jobs, supermarkets, government safety jobs, half of hospitality jobs? Yes, it is time to say we’re done with this in many places. There aren’t enough benefits to go around to places that weren’t hard hit. No taking advantage. I’m glad we shut down hard, at least where we did shut down hard. But we have to get family income back up and running now. Especially in places where it makes sense based on the data.
  12. Sure, but think about it from their perspective. Victoria County, TX has over 65,000 residents. They have 6 fatalities. 150 or so cases, let’s say 180. The whole time. So if you’re from Victoria, and you have 6 deaths in 8+ weeks, what would you be thinking? Like we should be taking safe precautions and getting back to work, probably. This really has proven to be a regional situation, as many predicted in this thread. Some states have multiple regions, like NY and FL. Some states are a full region, and many states and counties have been doing very well with this. It’s almost a county by county call in some cases, as the N.Y. post above mentions. There are over 3,000 counties in the U.S. Some states have to make tough calls on a few counties. Queens, Kings, New York, Bronx, Suffolk, Nassau, Westchester, Rockland, Cooks County IL, New Orleans Parrish, Miami Dade, Wayne County MI, Bergen County, Sussex County, Passaic County NJ, LA County CA. Unless you live in one of these counties, or a handful of others, things have probably been ok there. Tale of several taking it on the chin while 30 million go on unemployment. Not good, needs to be a more focused approach. This is before even bringing up nursing homes.
  13. It’s tough for bartenders right now. But if we can get manufacturing, construction, hospitals, other healthcare, contractors, office staff and half of bartenders figured out, can we reduce 30 million on unemployment down to 15 million? That’s going to have to be a start. As for the taking advantage part. Any state with fewer than 2K deaths at this point, sorry to be arbitrary, but only like 7 or 8 states have over that many fatalities, with NY and NJ leading that by far, so if you have fewer than 2K deaths by now, nearly everyone should be back to work in those states except for the riskiest of sectors. No taking advantage the economy can’t last like this. Tennessee, which has been mentioned in here, has under 300 fatalities. The whole time. That equals 12 hours of deaths in NY when NY was at its peak. So, with the exception of downtown Nashville let’s say, for argument’s sake, why is anyone in Tennessee on unemployment? That’s true for like 40 states. No more.
  14. Agreed that there are significant numbers of jobs in the entertainment and discretionary income sectors, and that those jobs have been impacted greatly. Just pointing out that in phased openings, people in bars so early (in a place like WI) was disconcerting to see. Not to be dismissive of bartenders, but it would be great to see strong rebounds in healthcare, construction, manufacturing, wholesaling, retailers, contractors, etc. before seeing a group of people breathing all over each other in a crowded dive bar on day 1. On the PMIS (pediatric multi-system inflammatory syndrome) front, it does appear that PMIS is rare and treatable. Thank goodness, but still not the greatest news just because it exists. How experts are approaching classifying, treating and discussing the incidence of PMIS
  15. Disclaimer: Opinion on opening up. For what it’s worth. Watching how the “opening up” of states is unfolding raises the concern that we’re collectively missing the point of “re-opening”. The point is to get people back to work. 30 million unemployed? Not acceptable. We need unemployment to begin falling, so in re-opening we should be wisely opening businesses to get as many people as possible back to earning a living again ASAP. The point of re-opening is not to initiate “happy fun time” again. People need to be focused on getting back to work safely, as many people as possible working, as quickly as possible. Not to run out to some bar to drink, socialize and spread the virus while one bartender gets back to work. Not smart. The point of re-opening is not to head to the beach as quickly as possible, or to go to Disney soon. The point is to get as many people back to work as quickly as possible, safely, go to sleep, and do it again the next day, and the next day. Get off of unemployment, get back to work. Not “party fun time” right now. Stay healthy and safe. Hopefully better times are ahead.