Brisco54

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  1. This ups both his redraft and dynasty value in my eyes. For redraft, you always want players in a contract year... for dynasty, the two complaints about Sammy have been injuries and offense... injuries are still a concern but as far as offense, either they find a way to make things work in Buff to justify a franchise tag OR he gets to move to a team that will be able to use him. Win win to me..
  2. I am operating with the idea that he will start at some point in 2017 because he is a 1st round draft pick and they spent a lot to trade up to get him. The last 1st round QB to not start a game his rookie year? Brady Quinn and that was ten drafts ago in 2007. In the last ten drafts there have been 26 QBs selected in the first round. All but Quinn started at least one game, and of the remaining 25, only Lynch, Manziel, Locker, and Tebow were not the "starter" (rather than backup who is starting) for their team before the end of their rookie year. Jake Locker is the only QB of the last ten drafts to be selected in the top 20 picks overall and not be named the team's 'starter' at some point during their rookie year. I think history says its pretty safe to believe he will be a starter in 2017.
  3. I get the injury risk, but do you have numbers that show Allen is below average in points per target?
  4. All: During the draft it seems like most of us are focused on our favorite NFL teams (front page of the forum was all team pages). I thought we could use a thread to still talk fantasy on a collective basis. In a few days we will start seeing the fantasy experts writing articles about which players were helped or hurt the most by the draft. Also the initial rookie ranking will start talking about the best and worst landing slots. Why wait? Round one is over. What vets had the biggest change in market value based on the results? Which rookies were helped or hurt the most by their landing spots? I am gonna go way out on a limb and say Trubiskie (sp) got the biggest bump up in my eyes. He was expected to go top five overall by many draftniks, but the ransom the Bears paid may hurt the team but help the player for fantasy purposes. He is going to start in 2017 and he is going to be playing from way behind most of the year... I see a possible king of garbage time points. Plus, he is going to have a ton of opportunity to build rapport with a core of young players. As far as vets hurt by the draft... All the JAX rbs just became handcuffs at best and while Rivers is loving life, there are only do many balls to go around... The rest of the Chargers passing attack goes down a little bit in my eyes. Brisco54
  5. I think you may want to look up the meaning of "market value" because I am not sure you understand the term. I think you intend to say that his actual value is less than his market value. My guess is that every person who has participated in any of the polls has disagreed with the results in the majority of them. These polls were unique in seeking public consensus on a slot by slot basis (for the first 48 players/picks as it turns out). If you have a better tool for objectively determining market value I look forward to hearing it. For everyone else, I have been out of the country for a while and participation was really lagging so it seemed like a good time to let these die. I agree that we can start over, probably at the start of training camps, now that we have actual players instead of picks for 2017. However, since we are talking dynasty, even then we will include picks, though we will be looking at 2018 picks instead.
  6. Your comment is about two months late. The community selected Sammy in the poll held on February 17th. He garnered 25 of 102 votes for that slot. You can view that poll here: https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/754214-player-15-community-dynasty-rankings/ The purpose of these polls is not to declare a ranking but to show the current market value of each player/pick. 1 in 4 participants of the poll in February thought Watkins was the 15th best player overall for dynasty. That means in most leagues you will find at least two owners willing to pay that much for him.
  7. Hmmm... it seems like the tier approach is getting even less interest/activity than the single voting.
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  9. Oz, Great suggestion. I am going to close out this poll with the four players that are tied as the first Tier of Round 5 and then start the next poll for Round 5 tier 2 with allowing multiple suggestions. Thsi poll is now closed with a 4 way tie Hunter Henry, Martavis Bryant, Tevin Coleman, and Tyler Eifert each got 8 of 58 votes. The next poll (which allows for multiple selections for the tier based approach) is available here: https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/755160-round-5-tier-1-community-dynasty-rankings/
  10. I am trying something different with this poll based upon Oz's suggestion. This is a tier based approach starting the 5th round. Select each player or players that you would put on the same exact tier. You can vote for more than one candidate. To be on the same tier means that you see no difference in fantasy value between the two (or more) players... that you would have no problem swapping one for the other. You can still add players by the "other" button, but ONLY ONE player can be added per user. I do not know how this will work, but I thought it was worth a try. There as a 4 way tie for Poll #49 with Hunter Henry, Martavis Bryant, Tevin Coleman, Tyler Eifert each garnering 8 of 58 votes. Since votes were getting consistently close, we decided to try a tier based system allowing multiple votes. Time to pick Tier 2 of the 5th round. Standings 1.1. Odell Beckham 1.2. Ezekiel Elliot 1.3. Mike Evans 1.4. David Johnson 1.5. LeVeon Bell 1.6. Antonio Brown 1.7. Julio Jones 1.8. Amari Cooper 1.9. AJ Green 1.10. (Tie) Deandre Hopkins & Rookie Pick 1.1 1.12. Todd Gurley Round 2 2.1 Rookie Pick 1.2 2.2 Allen Robinson 2.3 Sammy Watkins 2.4 TY Hilton 2.5 Michael Thomas 2.6 Rob Gronkowski 2.7 Dez Bryant 2.8 Devonta Freeman 2.9 Brandin Cooks 2.10 Jordan Howard 2.11 Melvin Gordon 2.12 Keenan Allen 3.1 Andrew Luck 3.2 Alshon Jeffrey 3.3 Aaron Rodgers 3.4 Rookie Pick 1.3 3.5 Jarvis Landry 3.6 Rookie Pick 1.4 3.7 Travis Kelce 3.8 Jay Ajayi 3.9 Carlos Hyde 3.10 (Tie) Davante Adams Jordan Reed 3.12 (tie) Demaryius Thomas Derrick Henry 4.2 Rookie Pick 1.5 4.3 Stefon Diggs 4.4 Lamar Miller 4.5 Corey Coleman 4.6 (Tie) Doug Baldwin Rookie Pick 1.6 4.8 LeSean McCoy 4.9 Donte Moncreif 4.10 Jordy Nelson 4.11 Kelvin Benjamin 4.12 Tyreek Hill The rankings switched to a tier based approach after the first 4 rounds. 5.1 (Round 5 tier 1): Hunter Henry, Martavis Bryant, Tevin Coleman, Tyler Eifert
  11. Bump to see if we clear up the tie or further muddy the waters.
  12. This one is moving faster... just need a few more votes. Rookie pick 1.7 is interesting in that it seems to have a very consistent 6-7 votes for the last 5 or 6 polls I think. Henry and Bryant have shot from the being ne additions to the top of the polls very quickly. Meanwhile, names like Coleman, Crabtree, Tate, Wilson and Pryor seem to be stagnating a bit and Mark Ingram looks to challenge Jordy Nelson for time on the polls without being selected.
  13. The poll is now closed. Tyreek Hill wins with 8 of 57 total votes. The next poll is available at https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/755119-player49-community-dynasty-rankings/
  14. Tyreek Hill is the 48th pick overall closing out the 4th round with 8 of 57 votes beating pick 1.7 and Hunter Henry by a single vote. Every other player received at least one vote. That poll/thread can be viewed here: https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/755078-player-48-community-dynasty-rankings/ HOW TO ADD PLAYERS TO THE LIST First, you can add a name to the current poll by clicking Other and telling me who you think is better than all players on the current list. (Please tell me that you clicked the other button in the reply... not just the name of your nominee) Second, in rounds where no one has clicked the other button to add a player, I will add a single player nominated in the comments. This will be the player with the most support to be added in the comments (total users nominating that player)... in the event of a tie, it will go to the player first nominated in the comments. I have the following outstanding nominations: Marcus Mariotta - 2 Derek Carr was added by the other button so no other additions this round. Time to pick #49 Standings 1.1. Odell Beckham 1.2. Ezekiel Elliot 1.3. Mike Evans 1.4. David Johnson 1.5. LeVeon Bell 1.6. Antonio Brown 1.7. Julio Jones 1.8. Amari Cooper 1.9. AJ Green 1.10. (Tie) Deandre Hopkins & Rookie Pick 1.1 1.12. Todd Gurley Round 2 2.1 Rookie Pick 1.2 2.2 Allen Robinson 2.3 Sammy Watkins 2.4 TY Hilton 2.5 Michael Thomas 2.6 Rob Gronkowski 2.7 Dez Bryant 2.8 Devonta Freeman 2.9 Brandin Cooks 2.10 Jordan Howard 2.11 Melvin Gordon 2.12 Keenan Allen 3.1 Andrew Luck 3.2 Alshon Jeffrey 3.3 Aaron Rodgers 3.4 Rookie Pick 1.3 3.5 Jarvis Landry 3.6 Rookie Pick 1.4 3.7 Travis Kelce 3.8 Jay Ajayi 3.9 Carlos Hyde 3.10 (Tie) Davante Adams Jordan Reed 3.12 (tie) Demaryius Thomas Derrick Henry 4.2 Rookie Pick 1.5 4.3 Stefon Diggs 4.4 Lamar Miller 4.5 Corey Coleman 4.6 (Tie) Doug Baldwin Rookie Pick 1.6 4.8 LeSean McCoy 4.9 Donte Moncreif 4.10 Jordy Nelson 4.11 Kelvin Benjamin 4.12 Tyreek Hill