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  1. Do you what you know you are supposed to do immediately. Procrastination is unneccessary gambling and leads to lost opportunities and frustration. Also, never pass up an opportunity to travel, see something new, try something new or experience a different culture. The world is huge and we waste too much time in our own little bubbles.
  2. Newsflash, most people don't want to die or lose their loved ones. It is devastating to those that remain and downright terrifying to some people, even old and feeble people.
  3. Civilized in that less people die, but I sure wouldn't want to be one of the guys getting beat to death with a rock, or be the guy doing the beating for that matter.
  4. I forgot to mention that this has been the norm in the region by mutual agreement of the countries. They aren't agreeing not to fight over the area or attack each other, just that they won't be using any guns when it does happen.
  5. I searched for a thread, but couldn't find sorry if Honda. But seriously, out of all of the news stories I've heard this year, this one has to be the most bizarre of them all. Basically a bunch of Indian and Chinese soldiers clashed in a disputed border area at like 14,000 feet above sea level in the Himilayas. The catch was that none of them had any firearms or weapons to speak of, but ended up fighting with "sticks and rocks". Not only did they fight, but many soldiers actually died. India reported 20 dead soldiers and China hasn't stated anything, but Indian soldiers claimed there were definitely some Chinese casualties as well. One article I read said some of the deaths were due to soldiers ending up in the Galwan River and succumbing to the frigid temperatures of the water. There were also some who died from a combination of injuries and the harsh environment. Latest thing I read was that China is now sending several martial arts experts to the region. For two countries with the largest world's population who both possess nuclear weapons to be resorting to hand to hand combat is one of the most insane things I've ever heard of. I'm still baffled and fascinated by the entire event and its aftermath. Also, this was the first altercation with casualties in a long standing border dispute in like 50 years and there have been some negotiations taking place between diplomats of the two countries over the last week.
  6. I live in Springfield, MO area (metro pop of about 500k). Very conservative area, but not a lot of crowding, we like our space here. Total confirmed cases are 424 and total deaths around 12. I don't know a single person who has had it and only a handful who have been tested. Very few people are going to continue social distancing and wearing masks when almost no one has any experience with it and are taking their cues from conservative media outlets. I would imagine that on a given day PRE-COVID, that I probably averaged no more than a dozen close contacts a day outside of my family. Since the precautions have been enacted, That number is probably no more than 2-3 people per week. People in large metro areas probably don't realize the amount of natural social distancing that exists in "flyover country". I just don't see how the virus would ever explode here unless people just took zero precautions, and we still have some moderate legal restrictions in place as well as many people being responsible as individuals. Probably the only real risky area, IMO is if schools were to just open in the fall with no precautionary measures...which is not happening.
  7. Normally I don't like it when the thread title stays the same for a long time, but I still smile every time I read this current one. One of the best of all time, IMO.
  8. Here are your super official NBA-TEAMS Category Rankings My objective criteria included wins, playoff win%, HOFers, avg margin of victory, net rating and online rankings. Comparing overall team success across eras was difficult, so I leaned heavily on research articles and online rankings I could find. The best teams not selected would include the 90-91 Bulls and the 13-14 Spurs. Without actually plugging them in, I'm sure they both would have finished at least above the bottom tier. From least to best: Tier 6 - Participation Trophies #16 (1 pt) - 89/90 Detroit Pistons - I love the Bad Boys, but similar to Joe Dumars in the Guards category, this team just doesn't belong anywhere near a top 16 of all time ranking. They had the 2nd fewest wins on the list, 3rd worst Net Rating and weren't even on any of the online rankings I used (two top 25 and one top 20). They won with ugly basketball and were not a dominant squad even in this season, much less of all time. #15 (2 pts) - 69/70 NY Knicks - Another team I love but really doesn't belong here either. They at least cracked the bottom of the top 25 lists, but had the worst playoff win % (had 2 of their 3 series go to 7 games) and had only one more regular season win than the 89/90 Pistons. I am a huge fan of this team and Frazier and Reed, but when it comes to all time teams, they aren't even in the top 20. Tier 5 - All-Stars - Really Good, but with flaws #14 (3 pts) - 88/89 Detroit Pistons - Now this team at least belongs on this list. They cracked the top 25 lists and won 63 games and only lost 2 playoff games. However, their net rating was the 2nd lowest and, again, they won in ugly fashion. I like a good hard-nosed team and this is as tough as they get. Thomas, Laimbeer, Dumars and Mahorn were the core of the team. Rodman still came off the bench and they had a mid-season trade of Dantley for Aguirre, but this team was finally able to get over the hump of the Celtics, handled the Bulls and swept the Lakers in the Finals. Had they clicked a little earlier in the season, they likely would have been higher on the list. #13 (4 pts) - 00/01 LA Lakers - The peak Shaq/Kobe team coasted a bit during the regular season, but blew through the playoffs, losing only one game and was the best team of their decade. All of the rankings had them in the 15-17 range and it was likely some combination of missed games, lazy Shaq and immature Kobe that keep them this low. When they were at full strength and wanted to turn it on, they were easily the best team in the league, but they weren't consistent and as a result had the lowest win total and net rating on the list. #12 (5 pts) - 64/65 Boston Celtics - This team boasted 5 hall of famers and one of the greatest coaches of all time. The 60's teams had much lower O and D ratings, and this team was the lowest in both categories (which would lend itself to saying they had the best defense but worst offense...which likely isn't perfectly accurate, but probably close). Anchored by 30 year old Bill Russell, this was the 2nd to last squad in the midst of an 8-peat. They had to defeat Wilt and the 76ers in 7 games, but then won the Championship over Jerry West in 5 games, which gave them a low playoff winning %. Also, no rankings lists had them inside the top 12, so I really didn't feel like I could justify moving them up any higher. I believe the lack of competition in their era may have contributed to that (but that didn't seem to matter much to the team just 2 years later). Tier 4 - 3rd Team All-NBA - parts of dynasties (but not the peak) #11 (6 pts) - 91/92 Chicago Bulls - Won 67 games with a net rating of 10.0, but had to battle through the playoffs, losing 7 games in the last 3 series. They did become only the 4th franchise to win back to back titles here and were a dominant force. All of the online rankings I used had them at either #11 or #12. This was the best team of the first three peat with all cylinders firing and Jordan becoming the universal icon that would sweep the world the following summer in Barcelona. If it wasn't for the greatness of the next three peat, this team may have ranked higher...likely suffers from some Bulls fatigue in rankings (similar to MJ's MVP trophies). #10 (7 pts) - 84/85 LA Lakers - Not quite the peak of showtime, but a close second. This team had your standard cast of Hall of Famers with Magic, Kareem (at 37) and Worthy and included Bob McAdoo averaging 10.5 ppg off the bench. Their regular season was good, but not great. However, they did win an epic 6 game finals against a peak Bird/McHale/Parish Celtics squad by winning game 6 in Boston. Magic was on a mission to avenge the loss of the season before and solidified what was the defining rivalry of the NBA in the 80's and probably one of the greatest rivalries in all of sports. Tier 3 - 2nd Team All-NBA - great teams, but not quite the best of their decade #9 (8 pts) - 82/83 Philadelphia 76ers - "Fo, Fo, Fo"....well, almost. Had Malone's prediction of 3 sweeps come to fruition, it would have been the single greatest playoff run in NBA history. Due to a ECF loss to the Bucks, they must share that designation with 2 other teams on this list. But this team was great, featuring a prime Moses Malone (MVP that year), a still effective Dr J, HOF PG Mo Cheeks in his prime and a couple of key role players, including all-star Andrew Toney (19.5 ppg) and HOF Bobby Jones off the bench. They had won 65 regular season games with a net rating of 7.4. One of my personally favorite NBA teams of all-time and an easy inclusion in the top 10. #8 (9 pts) - 86/87 LA Lakers - Just two spots higher than the '85 squad, this is mostly considered the greatest team of the Showtime era Lakers. They also had to defeat the Celtics in the Finals, which was highlighted by Magic's running baby hook game winner in game 4. They won 65 games that year with a net rating of 9.1 and only lost 3 games total in the playoffs. One ranking had them as high as #4 all time. They were truly a great squad and the defining team of the Lakers in the 80's and put them over the top of the Celtics in their straight up matchups of NBA Finals. #7 (10 pts) - 70/71 Milwaukee Bucks - Before Showtime era Kareem, there was Lew Alcindor. He won league MVP in 1971, his second year in the league, and was the most dominant force in the NBA for the entire decade. But it was his first run with Oscar Robertson that slightly outranks his run with the Lakers. The Bucks won 66 games that year with a net rating of 10.8 with a lot of solid contributions from the role players as well, most notably from Bob Dandridge. The team rallied around their leader, the Big O, to get him his lone championship and the lone Bucks championship (so far). This team was ranked consistently at either #7 or #8 in all of the lists I used. #6 (11 pts) - 96/97 Chicago Bulls - 69 wins and a net rating of 12.0 both rank second of the teams in this draft, only behind another very similar team. Again, this squad likely suffers a bit from Bulls fatigue. Their online rankings ranged from #4 all the way down to #12. They did lose 4 playoff games, including 2 to the Jazz in the Finals. Sandwiched in between one of the greatest of all time and the "Last Dance" was the '97 Champs and they were very, very good. Tier 2 - 1st Team All-NBA - best teams of their respective decades #5 (12 pts) - 66/67 Philadelphia 76ers - It takes a great team to end a dynasty and this squad finally ended the Celtics run of 8 straight championships by defeating them in 5 games in the ECF and going on to win the championship over Rick Barry and the SF Warriors in 6 games. They won what was then a record of 68 games. Wilt Chamberlain was finally able to get his first ring after another MVP season where he averaged 24/24/8 per game. However, this team was hardly a one man band and featured 3 other HOFers and 6 players averaged over 12ppg including Hal Greer and a 23 year old Kangaroo Kid (Billy Cunningham). They didn't quite face the same competition as the teams above them in this list, but it may not have mattered as they were a truly dominant squad through the entire season and the playoffs. #4 (13 pts) - 71/72 LA Lakers - Before Shaq/Kobe, before Magic/Kareem, there was the 1971-72 Lakers team. Led by the Logo, Jerry West, and including some aging but still great players in Wilt and Baylor, they won a then record 69 games with an average margin of 12.3 pts. 6 players averaged over 11 ppg, including another Hall of Famer, Gail Goodrich who averaged 25.9 ppg as West's backcourt running mate. West had lost a lot of NBA Finals before finally defeating a good Knicks squad in 5 games for his first and only ring and getting Wilt his 2nd and final one. They dominated like no one had before them and had to defeat the two previous champions in the playoffs (both teams on this list) to get there. #3 (14 pts) - 86/86 Boston Celtics - Larry Legend at his peak was a dominant force and he was the league MVP and Finals MVP this season while leading the Celtics in points, rebounds, assists and steals per game. On top of that, was a solid starting 5 with McHale at his peak, Parish, DJ & Danny Ainge all playing great basketball and averaging in double figures and Bill Walton off the bench. They defeated a very good Rockets team in 6 games in the Finals with their twin towers of Hakeem and Sampson who had spoiled another Lakers/Celtics matchup. Their statistics were dominant, their record was dominant and they are universally considered a top 5 team of all time across every list I saw, usually at #3 or #4. Tier 1 - MVPs - the debate over the GOATs was a tough one (I seriously flip flopped a few times here)... #2 (15 pts) - 16/17 Golden State Warriors - This is recent enough not to have to rehash story lines. I honestly didn't let the lameness of Durant's move or my hatred of Draymond influence this ranking. Their run through the playoffs at 16-1 is the greatest of all time. They boast 3 likely HOFers and maybe a 4th. Curry is the greatest shooter of all time (IMO). Durant is one of the greatest scorers of all time, Klay is a great 2-way guard and Draymond is a great defender. They had almost no flaws, but since it was their first run with Durant, it took a couple of months to fire on all cylinders, otherwise they would likely would have had the regular season record and stats to take the #1 spot. As is, they are just slightly behind the GOAT. #1 (16 pts) - 95/96 Chicago Bulls - MJ, Pippen and Rodman on a mission to destroy the NBA. It was the most dominant season wire to wire of all time. Only slight hiccup is 3 losses in the playoffs but their regular season of 72 wins and 13.4 net rating are both the top of the list. They were #1 in 2 out of the 3 online lists I used and they controlled every aspect of nearly every game they played for the entire season with great offense, defense and rebounding (were #1 in both ORtg & DRtg). This team is truly the GOAT.
  9. I had hoped to get through both the coaches and teams write ups today, but I got interrupted about five times today trying to get it done. I'm going to be out of pocket for a few days, so the NBA teams rankings will have to wait until after Wednesday at least. Good luck and good night.
  10. Here are your super official NBA-COACHES Category Rankings My objective criteria included rings, Coach of the Year awards, Win%, Total wins, Post-season appearances, PS Win% and online rankings. Don't know that I really overly weighted or discounted any category as I think it takes a number of factors to determine success as a coach. Longevity, regular season success and post season success are all factors of equal value, IMO and general perception among the pundits helps with all of this. I also through in a little bit of subjectivity from their strategies, innovations and general impact on the league. Top coaches not selected - Rudy Tomjanovich, Rick Adelman and George Karl. Not sure if they would have finished above anyone in the draft or not as they were right around that 12-20 range in most online rankings I read. As always, from bottom to top: Tier 4 - The really good (but not quite great) #16 (1 pt) - Tommy Heinsohn - Coached for only 8 years, all with Boston and Red Auerbach as the GM. Won two rings with 3 HOF's and did win one COY award. His total wins ranked #15 on this list and he was never ranked above #20 on any of the all-time lists I found online and had the fewest postseason appearances with six. Basically he had a short career with a good team for a great franchise. He performed well, but few coaches have been set up as well so it wasn't enough to get him out of the cellar here. #15 (2 pts) - Bill Fitch - 2x COY and 1 win shy of 1,000 total wins for his career for five different franchises. Won a ring with the Bird led Celtics in 1981. Ranked as high as 12th by one pundit. However, he is the only guy on this list whose career regular season win percentage is below .500 (.460) and had a losing season 14 out of 25 years. I liked his longevity, postseason and COY awards, but that win percentage was a huge detractor. I just don't see how a guy can be considered an all time great if he was generally unsuccessful for most of his career. #14 (3 pts) - KC Jones - Won two rings (both with Bird-led Boston....I'm seeing a trend here). However, he never had one losing season in 9 full seasons as an NBA head coach and made the playoffs every year. He was fired 36 games into the 91-92 season by Seattle with a .500 record (who eventually were coached by George Karl and made the playoffs with 47 wins). Definitely worthy to be selected, but still not good enough to get out of this tier. #13 (4 pts) - Billy Cunningham - He coached for only 8 years, all with Philly. He won one ring with 4 HOF's and no COY awards. However, those 8 years were stellar, with postseason appearances every year (including 3 finals appearances) and he posted the 2nd best regular season win% and the 3rd best playoff win% on this list. And this was mostly in an era of the Bird-Celtics and the Magic-Lakers. The only thing that really kept him so low on the list was the shortened nature of his tenure. Tier 3 - The almost or sometimes greats #12 (5 pts) - John Kundla - He was the coach of the first dynasty in the NBA. Coached Mikan and the Minneapolis Lakers to 4 out of the first 5 NBA titles. He had 10 NBA seasons and one BAA season (the precursor to the NBA) where he won that title. Over those 10 years, he made the playoffs 9 times and has the 2nd highest postseason win% on this list. He was also known as a players coach and developed the position of power forward by pairing Vern Mikkelsen with Mikan down low. Before the guys at the top of this list came along, it was Big John followed by everyone else. However, I just can't justify putting a guy that coached against such limited competition with a stacked team in such an early era any higher. #11 (6 pts) - Dr. Jack Ramsay - If this contest were about which coach was the most impressive human, Ramsay would probably win it hands down. The man was beloved and had a career in basketball that spanned well beyond the NBA. But his NBA career is worthy of many accolades as well. He won a title with Portland and finished his career with 16 postseason appearances in 20 full seasons (he resigned in 1988 from the Pacers after starting out 0-7). He was fanatical about his players being in shape and he was overly emotional with wins and losses, but was regarded as an innovator and master motivator. His numbers aren't as high as some of the guys below him, but his impact across the NBA was a great one and he retired from coaching with 908 total wins. #10 (7 pts) - Red Holzman - He won one COY and two titles with the Knicks. I am too young to have seen those teams play, but I am somewhat fascinated by the Reed-Frazier led Knicks teams and their slew of HOFers. He was the first to utilize pressure defense for the entire game and one of the first to use film for scouting and study with his coaching staff and players. He was also known for how well he handled the pressure of NYC (the mecca of basketball). Those Knicks were a cultural phenomenon, a basketball revelation and a big part of NBA history and Red was at the helm. #9 (8 pts) - Jerry Sloan - 20 postseason appearances in 26 seasons including a streak of 15 straight. He ran the pick and roll before it was cool and was known as one of the meanest, toughest SOB's to coach in the league. He never won a COY or a title (thanks to MJ), but amassed 1,319 total wins and had a career regular season win% over 600. He may have been a red ### and never got to the top, but the length of his career combined with consistent success makes him a top 10 coach of all time. #8 (9 pts) - Lenny Wilkens - He has the 2nd most regular season wins and the 2nd most total wins in NBA history and had 20 postseason appearances in 32 seasons. He won a title with Seattle and won a COY award. He was a master at crafting teams that performed better than the sum of their parts and he never coached a HOF player in their prime. While we can speculate what he may have done with more talent, what he did do with what he had was great enough to be firmly placed inside the top ten of all time. #7 (10 pts) - Don Nelson - Nellie is the true mastermind behind today's "small ball" and inventor of the "point forward". He also is the clubhouse leader in regular season wins and won 3 COY awards (although no titles). He had 18 playoff appearances in 31 years but never made the finals. However, his 8th seeded Warriors squad upset the #1 seed Mavericks in 2007, which is one of the most memorable upsets in NBA history. He also has been reportedly smoking pot since he retired, which is irrelevant to this analysis but notable nonetheless. #6 (11 pts) - Larry Brown - LB easily leads this list in number of coaching stops in his career and led eight different NBA teams into the postseason. His career was tumultuous and not without controversies but the numbers do not lie, he could coach. He coached the AI-Philly team to the Finals in 2001 and then led the Pistons to back to back finals in 2004 & 2005, winning it in 2004. He had 18 total postseason appearances in 27 seasons, had 100 postseason wins and 1,098 regular season wins. He was in the top 8 of every online list and is the only coach to win both an NCAA title and an NBA title. He may have been a nomad, but it seems as though he thrived in change and embraced multiple styles throughout his coaching career, but always emphasized simplicity and "playing the right way". #5 (12 pts) - Chuck Daly - This is probably the one coach who got the most benefit of subjective treatment. Sure he won 2 titles, made the playoffs in 12 out of 13 full seasons and had regular season and playoff win%s of nearly 600. But he was also one of the most gifted communicators and collaborators in NBA history. He turned the offensive minded, fast breaking (and losing) Pistons into the defense first Bad Boys. He made Dennis Rodman a DPOY. He coached the Dream Team and received rave reviews from the team's stars for his coaching and managing style. And, oh yeah, he had style the whole time. Tailored suits, perfect hair and all he did was win. His total win numbers are lower than most of the coaches around him in these rankings, but he also didn't get his first head coaching job until age 51. What he did with the time he did have was remarkable and worthy of this spot. Tier 2 - The truly great ones #4 (13 pts) - Pat Riley - The hair was what I remembered most about Riley watching him coach the Lakers when I was a kid. I didn't know I was watching a master of strategy and motivation. Showtime basketball predated Riley, but he brought the defense up to a level that won them four championships. He led the Knicks to the Finals in 1994 where they lost to the Rockets and finally won a 5th ring in 2006 with the Wade/Shaq led Heat. He coached great defense throughout his career and made the playoffs in 21 of his 24 seasons as a head coach. The longevity and variation of styles with which he won is remarkable and he is one of the few NBA people to have had great success at multiple levels of the NBA (player, coach and executive). #3 (14 pts) - Red Auerbach - His NBA coaching career began with the Tri-City Blackhawks in 1949 where his team went 28-29. The next year he joined the Boston Celtics and that was his lone losing season in 17 seasons of coaching in the NBA. At the end of that 17 years, he stepped back from coaching after raising up their 8th consecutive NBA championship banner and 9th in 10 years. He emphasized teamwork and took a personalized approach to each player. He is also credited with helping to break the color barrier in the NBA by drafting the first black player and then by utilizing the first all-black starting five. For almost 40 years, he was considered the greatest coach of all time. Most pundits still rank him as #2, but the landscape of the NBA was not as difficult to navigate in the 1950's and 60's as it has been for the past 20 years. #2 (15 pts) - Gregg Popovich - A player's coach who is more demanding of his players than almost any other coach. He is almost as renown as a wine and food critic as he is a basketball coach. If there is one coach on this list I'd most like to have a conversation with, it is Pop. But all that complexity aside, all he does is win. He has more total wins than anyone in NBA history and more postseason appearances as well. 5 rings, 3 COY awards, a record 22 straight postseason appearances and he still isn't done. Most lists have him as #3 behind Red, but I don't see it. The only thing Red has over Pop is rings, and as I mentioned earlier, his era was much simpler than the NBA of the past 20 years. No one has embraced the international players as well as Popovich and his shift from the slow grind out defensive battles of his early years to the beautiful ball movement of these later seasons was revolutionary to the game. Rumors abound of his eminent retirement and he was about to have only his second losing season in 24 years before this season was cut off. He is 71, so who knows, but I hope the ride doesn't end here. Tier 1 - the GOAT #1 (16 pts) - Phil Jackson - I thought it would be closer than it was but after my research it really wasn't close, hence the one man tier. Sure he coached the greatest player of all time in MJ, but so did a couple of other guys. He also wasn't Kobe's only coach or Shaq's. But he went 20/20 in postseason appearances and won 11 titles. He won his only coach of the year award during the record setting season in 95-96. He has the highest win% in both regular season and postseason and was the unanimous #1 in every list I found online. Few coaches have had the kind of talent to work with that Phil had, but none were able to match his success. The Zen-master is truly the GOAT of NBA coaches.
  11. As I'm getting ready to drop my coaches analysis, I wanted to note that I don't just use a statistical analysis and let it decide for me. I use it to get a general ranking order and then I adjusted up or down based upon my personal thoughts on the players (and soon to be coaches and teams). There is definitely some subjectivity to my rankings, as I feel every good ranking should have...but it is easier to get things organized with some stats, which can also lead me to places I wouldn't have gone mentally with some players. My personal experience/memory is too easily influenced and incomplete to trust it alone. Plus for anything pre-late-80's, I can only rely on replays and articles I've read. I believe objective analysis is necessary to provide a framework for rankings, and then go from there.
  12. Shaq was better in every single advanced statistic category I used and had a few more all-NBA teams, All-Stars and 2 more rings. The defensive accolades that Hakeem got almost made up that difference, but Shaq was a 3 time all-D selection himself. And Duncan's numbers are superior to Hakeem by even wider margins.
  13. As far as including rings in my analysis, they were given a 0.5 multiplier, while MVPs were given a 3x and advanced stats a 2x. In other words, rings helped, but not a whole lot.
  14. The Saint is a good movie with a great soundtrack.
  15. Arthur 2: On The Rocks is comedy gold.
  16. To be fair, Nash was the toughest guy for me to rank so far in either of my categories. I had him as high as 6 and as low as 11 during multiple tweakings. I just re-read my post and am happy with where I put him.
  17. Here are your super official NBA-CENTERS Category Rankings Similar to the guards, my objective criteria included rings, MVPs, All-NBA's, All-D's, DPOY, All-star games and advanced stats. I most heavily weighted MVP's, All-NBA selections and advanced stats. All-star rankings were given minor consideration, but I gave defensive awards a bit more weight with the centers to help differentiate as the bottom tiers were really a quagmire. ***Note, I had not been using ABA stats and awards at all and this GREATLY effects one player in this ranking. I'm sorry, but I had done the guards and was 80% done with the centers when I realized what an effect it would have and the category is named "NBA Centers". As far as honorable mentions that would have ranked at least 15 or above: Dwight Howard (would have ranked #12), Dikembe Mutombo (#14), Alonzo Mourning & Bill Walton (either at #15) Without further ado (in 4 tiers from worst to first)... Tier 4 - each had major detractions and would have been bumped had my honorable mentions been chosen instead #16 (1 pt) - Artis Gilmore - This is the guy who got screwed by the majority of his accomplishments being in the ABA. He just didn't do much by the time he was in the NBA and is really "just a guy" when you take out his ABA MVP and other accolades and stats. #15 (2 pts) - Robert Parish - Even though I am a Celtics fan, I give this guy less credit than most. He lasted and played a really long time, won 4 rings and compiled some big career stats, but he isn't much more than an all-star level guy at his best and had few other individual accolades. Only 2 all-NBA selections, no first teams, no hints of an MVP and no all-Defensive teams. Just not a lot there other than longevity and this is an all-time greats list. #14 (3 pts) - Wes Unseld - His one MVP and one ring got him this high, because he really didn't do much else in his career (only one all-NBA selection). His advanced stats are lower than the two guys below him and all of my honorable mentions. He is basically the NBA version of Vanilla Ice, 2 hits and that's it...but everybody knows the lyrics to Ice, Ice Baby, so he's got that going for him, which is nice. Tier 3 - These guys are great, but.... #13 (4 pts) - Bob McAdoo - He has two rings and an MVP and 2 all-NBA selections and his advanced stats were good. He was a great scorer early on in his career and led the league for 3 years straight. However, the lack of all-NBA teams, only making 5 all-star teams and no all-defensive teams makes him look unfavorable in comparison to his contemporaries. He missed a lot of games in his 30's from injury and got traded a lot. He's good and was worthy to be drafted here but he just doesn't have enough to move above this spot. #12 (5 pts) - Dave Cowens - His accolades are almost identical to McAdoo, but with more all-star games and 3 all-D selections. His advanced stats weren't as good, but it wasn't enough to flip spots. He also was a lifelong Celtic until a two year retirement at age 31 and then a 40 game return at age 34 with the Bucks and then retirement for good. #11 (6 pts) - George Mikan - He was the best player during his era and won 5 rings. Unfortunately, it was all before the Civil War. OK, not quite that far back, but he played only 7 seasons and retired for good in 1956 (the first year the MVP award was issued). He was dominant, making 6 all-NBA 1st teams in his first six years but the talent pool was very weak. He is still a good selection just based on the fact that he would have likely won several MVPs and was really the first star of the NBA. #10 (7 pts) - Patrick Ewing - He had a great, long career. But never won MVP, never won a ring and never won DPOY. His longevity was there (11 all-star games) and he was 6 time all-NBA and 3 time all-Defensive. There is a lot of substance to his career, he just never reached the top. #9 (8 pts) - Willis Reed - The Captain was a 2 time champion, an MVP and had a good run of 7 straight all-star games. He played in an earlier era with incomplete stats, so his advanced stats look good, but aren't really the full picture. He was a great part of basketball history, but didn't have as many all-NBAs and defensive accolades as all of the guys in the next tier. Tier 2 - Legit superstars and all-time NBA greats #8 (9 pts) - Moses Malone - I really, really wanted to put him higher, but his advanced stats were a real detriment to that effort. His game started and ended with rebounding, including his offense. But 3 MVP's is no joke. That is rare air in the likes of Bird and Magic. However, having only 1 ring also kept him down. All in all, he belongs in this tier as the king of offensive rebounding and tenacity, but I can't put him any higher. #7 (10 pts) - David Robinson - The Admiral was one of the best in an era with a lot of talent at the position. He could do everything well. He won two rings at the end of his career (thanks to another player to be mentioned soon), but had an MVP and a DPOY award under his belt by then. His career started late after serving in the Navy for two years, but he was named ROY at age 24 and took off from there with 10 All-NBA selections and 8 All-defensive teams. #6 (11 pts) - Hakeem Olajuwon - The Dream was the greatest player in the NBA while MJ played baseball, winning two rings and an MVP in that time. He also had an extinguished and long career and may be the best defensive player on this list with 2 DPOY awards and 9 all-defensive selections. However, he was a true 2-way player and outplayed his contemporaries in the same era as Robinson and Ewing. #5 (12 pts) - Shaquille O'Neal - The Diesel was a force to be reckoned with throughout his long and successful career. He is still the most physically dominant player the world has ever seen at 7-1 and pushing 300 lbs throughout his career. 4 rings, an MVP and 14 all-NBA teams make him one of the most decorated as well. On top of all that, I think he is hilarious and love his work on TNT's broadcasts. #4 (13 pts) - Tim Duncan - let the controversy begin. First of all, is he even a center? It is debatable, but my Magic 8 ball said "Sings point to yes" so we will run with it. However, I do believe he had a slight advantage being considered a forward for a time because that allowed for more spots on All-NBA teams, All-star games and All-Defensive teams. I wasn't going to put anyone above the next tier guys anyway and even if I discount 25% of his accolades, he still finishes over Shaq. That aside, let me point out some things about one of my all time favorite NBA players. He has 5 rings and 15 each of all-NBA teams, all-star teams and all-defensive teams. His longevity of success is second to none in the history of the league and he was dominant for parts of 3 decades. And for the record (although I'm not judging the category) I have him as the #3 forward. Tier 1 - the MVP collectors #3 (14 pts) - Bill Russell - Eleven. Freaking. Rings. All as his team's best player (although they were very good teams). He made the all-star game every season but his last and had 11 all-NBA selections. He won five MVPs and would have likely added a few DPOYs had the award existed during his career. His career is unparalleled in its success. He didn't have the scoring stats, but everything else was done at an elite level. #2 (15 pts) - Wilt Chamberlin - Was the most dominant physical presence the world had seen prior to Shaq. He controlled the paint and they changed some rules simply because of him. He could be a bit of a red ### which is why he was traded a couple of times and never had the team success of his rival and he only won two rings. However, his statistical achievements will never be equaled. 100 point game, averaged 50 ppg for a season, 22 rebounds/game for his career and even led the league in assists for a year, just because he could. He also may hold the record for women bagged, but that is unofficial. #1 (16 pts) - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (Lew Alcindor) - Cap was the most unstoppable scorer of all time and has the record to prove it. He also has six rings and a league record six MVPs and 19 all-star games. I still have him as my #2 all time over LeBron. He was also a great defender with 11 all-defensive selections and is 3rd all-time in blocks. He started his career with a ring and was still a force at age 40 when he won his sixth and started every playoff game, playing almost 30 minutes per game. His ranking wasn't as much of a no-brainer as with MJ and the guards, but I really never doubted that I would put him on top of this list.
  18. Here are your super official NBA-GUARDS Category Rankings My objective criteria included rings, MVPs, All-NBA's, All-D's, DPOY, All-star games and advanced stats. I figured for just 16 guys, this would give me enough information to rank them. I also took into account a couple of subjective criteria where I adjusted for the era in which they played and if they are still active (insofar as they haven't had the downward trend at the end of their careers in their advanced stats). I most heavily weighted MVP's, All-NBA selections and advanced stats. All-star rankings were given minor consideration as were All-D selections. Side notes on other NBA guards not included - Oscar would have been around #4 or #5 (used in NCAA), Chris Paul would have been better than at least 3 or 4 at the bottom and Allen Iverson would have been about a spot or two behind him. From least to best: Tier 5 - Doesn't belong here #16 (1 pt) - Joe Dumars - Don't get me wrong, I love the guy's game and am a fan of the Bad Boys. But under no criteria could I rank him above last in this category and he even gets his own special tier. This was almost as easy as my top selection was. His defense was strong, but not "top 20 of all time" good and his offense just wasn't anything spectacular. Again, he is a great player and HOF caliber guy and was a great teammate on a great team, but this is the cream of the crop here. Tier 4 - Hall of Famers without longtime dominance or individual greatness #15 (2 pts) - Clyde Drexler - His one ring was as a clear cut #2 guy on the team. Only one 1st team All-NBA selection was a huge knock with no MVP's. He was really really good for a long time and his advanced stats are decent which is why he is in this tier, but the lack of accolades compared to his peers was just too much to overcome for his final ranking. #14 (3 pts) - George Gervin - the Iceman could fill up the bucket. He was #2 in MVP voting twice and #3 once, but never got the award. He also never won a championship, but 5 1st team All-NBA selections were enough to get him out of the cellar here. #13 (4 pts) - Walt Frazier - Clyde was a great leader and New York City has 2 NBA championships thanks to his efforts. His advanced stats are incomplete due to his era not having enough statistical data, but he was a 4 time all-NBA 1st teamer and a 7 time all-defensive selection. His defensive accolades and 2 rings brought him up to here, but could get him no further. #12 (5 pts) - Isiah Thomas - Zeke was similar to Frazier, but with greater longevity and in a much more difficult era. Based on my objective measures, Frazier was ranked better, but I moved him down because Isiah was sandwiched in with a lot of guys at the top of this list making his run a bit more impressive, IMO. Tier 3 - Some top notch superstars that were hard as F to rank (seriously, I struggled with this group and changed my mind like 100 times) #11 (6 pts) - Jason Kidd - He is very high on the all time assists, steals and 3-pt lists. Has a ring (as the #2), 5 1st-team all-NBA and a 9 time All-D selection. I feel like he gets forgotten about often in these kinds of lists, but he was a great point guard for a very long time. He was clearly above everyone in tier 4, but ended up last out of this tier due to never being named MVP and never being the lead dog on an NBA championship team. His longevity is his greatest attribute, but he never shined as bright as those above him. #10 (7 pts) - James Harden - This is probably my most controversial ranking, but the Beard is unguardable. He won an MVP already, was in the running this year and has been in the conversation for the past 4 years (finishing 2nd twice). His advanced stats come in at #4 (although without an end-of-career decline) and he is a 5-time NBA 1st team selection. His game isn't pretty and I'm personally shocked that I have him this high already, but the fact is, he belongs in the top 12 of guards all-time already and still has a lot left in the tank. I doubt he cracks the top 5, but he could still move up the ladder a bit, especially with a ring or another MVP under his belt. #9 (8 pts) - Bob Cousy - Based on the objective data, the Houdini of the Hardwood should be a lot higher. However, his advanced stats are incomplete due to playing in such an early era and what we do have is below this tier. He also played with one of the greatest centers of all time and for one of the greatest coaches of all time against a fairly limited pool of players compared to today's game. All that said, he still is in the top 10 due to the greatness with which he played the PG position. He has an MVP, 6 rings and was a 10 time All-NBA 1st teamer. #8 (9 pts) - Dwayne Wade - 3 rings and a boatload of All-stars, All-NBA teams and All-D selections. Plus, he may have the hottest wife in the group, which should count for something (but doesn't). His advanced stats are decent and he received MVP votes in 8 seasons (closest was 3rd). He had longevity and some peak success as the best player on the 05-06 championship team. I used to be more down on him than the pundits, but after looking closer, he truly is one of the all-time great shooting guards. #7 (10 pts) - Steve Nash - As I said at the beginning, I value MVP's a lot and he has 2 of them. He played against some great teams and never had the all-time running mate he needed (early Dirk just wasn't there yet) to get deep in the playoffs. But for a brief while, his Phoenix Suns offense under D'Antonio was a thing of beauty and he ran it to perfection. He was a member of the 50/40/90 club 4 times (the most ever) and a masterful passer. I had him all over the place in my rankings, but for a 3 year window, he was the best point guard in the game and it wasn't even close. #6 (11 pts) - Jerry West - the logo was number 2 for almost his entire career. 4 times he finished #2 in MVP voting (never winning) and lost in the finals EIGHT TIMES (finally winning a ring in 1972). Only those near misses keep him out of the top tier. His incomplete advanced stats were pretty high and he was a 10 time all-NBA first teamer and a 5 time All-D selection. He was one of the greatest guards to ever lace them up, but the aforementioned lack of rings & MVP's plus his era keeps him down the list. #5 (12 pts) - John Stockton - Another guy I used to be down on, having never won an MVP or a ring, but it took a pretty good player to beat him twice in the Finals and he is the all time leader in assists and steals. The main reason I rank him at #5? His advanced stats are phenomenal where I have him tied with the penultimate player in this category. He was a great player for a very long time who just happened to run into the GOAT a couple of times during his peak. Tier 2 - These guys all have multiple accolades and rings as their team's #1 guy and were clearly the best guards of their respective eras. #4 (13 pts) - Steph Curry - I don't care what anyone says, this is where he belongs already. 3 rings, 2 MVPs, great advanced stats, 6 time all-NBA, 6 time all-star and the greatest shooter I've ever seen. He is a member of the 50-40-90 club while taking shots that would get most players benched for even thinking of attempting. I hated the Warriors for the last few years after Durant joined them and I'm tired of seeing him laugh at the refs while chewing on his mouthpiece. However, this guy is easily one of the greatest guards of all time and will solidify his spot here (although I don't know if he'll get any higher). #3 (14 pts) - Kobe Bryant - The Black Mamba is not my favorite player and his single MVP is a bit of a blip, but he finished in the top 5 eleven times. 5 rings, a record 18 all-stars, 12 time all-D and 11 1st team All-NBA are tops on this list. His advanced stats aren't as dominant because he was an inefficient volume shooter (especially toward the end), but when at his peak, few were ever better. Probably the most MJ like player besides his Airness, Kobe was a clutch player when it mattered and could play some mean defense when he wanted to. #2 (15 pts) - Magic Johnson - An easy pick as a 3 time MVP and 5 time champion. His advanced stats are tied for second (with the aforementioned Stockton) and while his career greatness wasn't as prolonged as Kobe's, it was still impressive. He is at the top of every single greatest point guard list you will see and is easily the #2 guy on this list. Tier 1 - The GOAT (and not just among guards) #1 (16 pts) - Michael Jordan - MJ is the man. He is salty and bitter and a #### to his teammates, but on the court there has never been anyone better in the history of the game. He has as many rings as Cousy (6), 2 more MVPs than Magic (5) and is the only guy on this list to have a DPOY award. His advanced stats were leaps and bounds better than everyone else. He is both the best offensive and defensive player on this list. No ranking will be easier in this draft.
  19. It is not a category I am grading, but a huge miss in the NBA Moments category is the Cavs coming back from down 3-1 to beat the 73 win Warriors. It was the most incredible/improbable thing I've seen in the NBA in my lifetime.
  20. That used to be the case for me up until about three years ago.
  21. I will say, this kid's Twitter profile is the first up under Google images, so he has got that going for him, which is nice.