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  1. E - Dangerous dog law that covers all dogs and all dog owners and holds said owners responsible for the actions of their dog, regardless of breed.
  2. No worries. I'm very clear about how people feel about my dogs, trust me. Good or bad, people are often generous with sharing their opinions. I've had all kinds of reactions. But I have to tell you, just my own experience, I get more compliments then I do complaints or nasty looks. And I've had more than one occasion where I was able to introduce my dogs to people who were apprehensive and have them walking away pleasantly surprised.I understand that some people are afraid. That's a shame, but I don't completely blame them, given what they see media wise. If they give me the opportunity, I show them the other side with my dogs. If not, I go on my merry way and I try not to inconvenience anyone else in the process.Like I said, my goal isn't to convince people that pits are the greatest dogs in the world, even though I personally believe that. My point is that I would like all municipalities to have strong dangerous dog laws. Not leash laws, not some basic licensing laws (even though those are fine), but strong dangerous dog laws that protect everyone from all dangerous dogs, regardless of breed. It's the only thing that makes sense to me.
  3. We've been over this stuff earlier, but I'll go one more time.There are a number of reasons I own the breed. They are the most loyal dog I've ever seen. Smart, athletic and a ton of fun to play with. They are absolute clowns and lap dogs. I love having them around. I've never once used my dogs to try to intimidate or inspire fear. Everywhere I bring them, I introduce them to people who are interested in meeting them.I've been around pits all my life. My wife is a vet nurse and given the fact that pits are over running shelters, it's not uncommon for people in that field to be sensitive to how many are being laid down. Both mine are rescues. I wanted a dog, had great experiences with pits historically and think it's senseless that they are being rounded up and put down. So, I went to the shelter and rescued one. Later, I rescued another. They are curled up on the couch with me right now and I couldn't be happier to have them.I don't argue that many people get this breed to look tough. It's unfortunate. They make the rest of us look bad. If you don't get it, that's fine. I'm not asking you to get one. I'm just asking you to leave me to have mine. I'll hold up my end of the bargain.Fair enough. Let's say for the sake of argument we charged people with criminal behavior if their dog killed someone. What do you think that would do to the ownership of pits?Eventually, I think you would have far fewer people getting them for the wrong reasons and more getting them for the right reasons.My hope is that we would eventually have a population that was well cared for. Right now, and this gets back to the numbers argument, there is a glut of pits, at least in my estimation. There are a ton of them. Every wanna be thug is a backyard breeder. The shelters are over run with them. I feel the majority are neglected or outright abused. The disgusting practice of dog fighting is still prevalent in many places. I firmly believe that there is not a more neglected and mistreated breed out there than pits.I'm much rather see a smaller population of well cared for and loved dogs than what we have now.
  4. Good lord, you guys are relentless. I guess I'm asking for it by replying, tho.Yes, sometimes I let the dog on the one couch where I crash when I'm watching TV. They have their own beds and they have to be invited onto the couch. They are trained just fine.
  5. I think that probably says it all. You've got your point of view and it won't be changed.He's is just on the other side of the coin as you. It was a response to you ignoring post #984 and the truth of it.I don't feel like I'm some sort of pro-pit zealot. All I'm advocating is that all owners be held responsible for their dog, including myself. I'm not sure how that is all that extreme.I felt like I did address post #984 in saying that there is absolutely no way to know how many there are of any dog. I also feel like I've addressed the numbers game earlier in the thread.This is obviously an issue where people don't get swayed. I'm not trying at all to convince people they should adopt a pit. All I'm saying is that people should be held responsible for their dogs, regardless of what kind of dog it is.Are you the one that lets his Pit Bull play with his kids? I think you're nuts.I don't have kids. But I was around them plenty when I was a kid. Survived without a scratch, somehow.
  6. We've been over this stuff earlier, but I'll go one more time.There are a number of reasons I own the breed. They are the most loyal dog I've ever seen. Smart, athletic and a ton of fun to play with. They are absolute clowns and lap dogs. I love having them around. I've never once used my dogs to try to intimidate or inspire fear. Everywhere I bring them, I introduce them to people who are interested in meeting them.I've been around pits all my life. My wife is a vet nurse and given the fact that pits are over running shelters, it's not uncommon for people in that field to be sensitive to how many are being laid down. Both mine are rescues. I wanted a dog, had great experiences with pits historically and think it's senseless that they are being rounded up and put down. So, I went to the shelter and rescued one. Later, I rescued another. They are curled up on the couch with me right now and I couldn't be happier to have them.I don't argue that many people get this breed to look tough. It's unfortunate. They make the rest of us look bad. If you don't get it, that's fine. I'm not asking you to get one. I'm just asking you to leave me to have mine. I'll hold up my end of the bargain.
  7. I think that probably says it all. You've got your point of view and it won't be changed.He's is just on the other side of the coin as you. It was a response to you ignoring post #984 and the truth of it.I don't feel like I'm some sort of pro-pit zealot. All I'm advocating is that all owners be held responsible for their dog, including myself. I'm not sure how that is all that extreme.I felt like I did address post #984 in saying that there is absolutely no way to know how many there are of any dog. I also feel like I've addressed the numbers game earlier in the thread.This is obviously an issue where people don't get swayed. I'm not trying at all to convince people they should adopt a pit. All I'm saying is that people should be held responsible for their dogs, regardless of what kind of dog it is.
  8. I think that probably says it all. You've got your point of view and it won't be changed.
  9. There is no advantage to creating a law where only one type of dog owner has to be responsible for keeping their dog under control. Just make a law where all owners are responsible for keeping control of their dog.These laws already exist. Doesn't stop pitbulls from killing at a very frequent rate.Not really, no. As mentioned more than once in this thread, many, many municipalities have no dangerous dog laws on the books.They have dog laws. I've never lived anywhere that you could walk your dog around without a leash legally. But these laws aren't stopping pitbulls from maiming and killing people far more frequently than all other dogs combined, despite them making up a very small percentage of the dog population.If you want to go to one anti-pit bull site and buy the questionable "studies" that they have there, that's up to you. But anyone who is paying attention knows that pits do not make up a very small percentage of the population. It's virtually impossible to tell how many there are of any breed of dog. It's not even known for sure how many dogs there are period.
  10. There is no advantage to creating a law where only one type of dog owner has to be responsible for keeping their dog under control. Just make a law where all owners are responsible for keeping control of their dog.These laws already exist. Doesn't stop pitbulls from killing at a very frequent rate.Not really, no. As mentioned more than once in this thread, many, many municipalities have no dangerous dog laws on the books.
  11. There is no advantage to creating a law where only one type of dog owner has to be responsible for keeping their dog under control. Just make a law where all owners are responsible for keeping control of their dog.Yes there is, an advantage of human safety.Even if you believe that pits are inherently dangerous, what possible advantage would there be in saying that only pits need to be treated a special way. There are plenty of breeds of dogs that can hurt people. Why on earth would we single only one breed out?
  12. There is no advantage to creating a law where only one type of dog owner has to be responsible for keeping their dog under control. Just make a law where all owners are responsible for keeping control of their dog.
  13. Because swimming pools just jump out of nowhere and drown 7 year olds on the sidewalks?Horrible analogy.Just because you call it a horrible analogy does not make it so. Isn't all this pitbull hysteria ultimately about preventable causes of death? What difference does it make if that preventable death jumps out and kills you or you fall into it? The answer is "none" it makes no difference. The only true distinction is that the anti pitbull crowd is scared of pitbulls and not scared of swimming pools even though swimming pools are far more dangerous.Pretty sure most cities have laws requiring a fence around swimming pools at all times. They even have height and material requirements. Actually pretty darn good analogy Chaka.I'd be willing to force pit owners to keep their dogs behind fences at all times as a compromise rather than punching them in the face. Dog gets out, it's legal to shoot it down.Why not all dogs? Although its better than dying, I don't want a few stitches from a schnauzer attack either.Because pits are unusually dangerous. You've been following the thread, right?So, if a kid gets mauled by a Rottie, that's cool?No, but that's less likely than a dog that was bred specifically to tear other creature's faces off.How likely does it need to be for all owners to be responsible for their dogs?
  14. Because swimming pools just jump out of nowhere and drown 7 year olds on the sidewalks?Horrible analogy.Just because you call it a horrible analogy does not make it so. Isn't all this pitbull hysteria ultimately about preventable causes of death? What difference does it make if that preventable death jumps out and kills you or you fall into it? The answer is "none" it makes no difference. The only true distinction is that the anti pitbull crowd is scared of pitbulls and not scared of swimming pools even though swimming pools are far more dangerous.Pretty sure most cities have laws requiring a fence around swimming pools at all times. They even have height and material requirements. Actually pretty darn good analogy Chaka.I'd be willing to force pit owners to keep their dogs behind fences at all times as a compromise rather than punching them in the face. Dog gets out, it's legal to shoot it down.Why not all dogs? Although its better than dying, I don't want a few stitches from a schnauzer attack either.Because pits are unusually dangerous. You've been following the thread, right?So, if a kid gets mauled by a Rottie, that's cool?
  15. This is the type of stuff I'm talking about. Could we get more unscientific in data collection then by going by newspaper reports?I'm familiar with Merritt Clifton's work. He's an anti-pit bull guy. His magazine, Animal People, isn't exactly hard hitting journalism.The data really lacks context because we have no idea what the dog population make up is. How many dogs are out there? 100 million? 200? Stuff like this report doesn't advance the conversation, it only clouds the issue.