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  1. Good posting. But it won't be recognized as such because people are convinced that the jury has returned and Ingram is guilty of sucking and is sentenced to watching Pierre Thomas steal his touches every week. I've never been able to land Ingram before for a price I thought acceptable, but count me in as a buyer this year if more "fluff" keeps coming out and all the haters ignore it and keep his price suppressed. Ummm, sorry, but he is guilty of sucking so far. A 1st round RB finishing 45th and 35th in non-PPR (far, far worse in PPR, which I play in all 3 leagues) is sucking. For those of us who play PPR, his floor is way worse than a RB3/flex play. That said, he should do better this year, because Ivory won't get 200+ yards like he has the past two years. On the other side, I don't think that Mark Ingram is a talented NFL runner so far. 3.9 ypc when D's are 100% focusing on Brees is not good. Thomas has averaged 4.8ypc with the Saints and Sproles averaged 6.9 ypc in 2011 and 5.1 ypc in 2012. Brees has averaged around 8ypa with the Saints, so with those two RBs ypc and Brees' ypa, why would they put more of a focus on Ingram? I sure don't think some of the 1000 yard 8-9 TD projections are even close. One quick question for everyone, is anyone worried about Sproles getting more carries? He was brought in by Payton just like Ingram was drafted by Payton. Sproles had twice as many carries in 2011 as he did in 2012. Maybe Payton will get back to given more carries to Sproles. It has been mentioned many times that Ingram's carries have primarily been on short yardage/goal line carries. In those cases, the D is NOT focused 100% on Brees, they are focused on stopping Ingram from picking up the first down. This significantly lowers Ingram's YPC numbers. Feel free to post those. He has almost 280 carries in the past two years and posts above it says that Ingram had 7 carries inside the 5 yard line. Are you saying those 7 carries are really the reason why his ypc aren't that great? Sproles has 17 TDs and Graham has 20 TDs the last two years. Both of them get more opportunities at the goal line than Ingram has, so even in short yardage teams are focusing on Brees as much as they are on Ingram. Hmmm, let's think about the D-Coordinator. Should we focus on Brees, who averages around 3 TDs passes a game or Ingram, who averages 0.3 TDs per game. Sorry, but unless you can show me that he averages well over 4 ypc on all his non-short yardage carries, I don't believe his ypc is affected when the guy has 7 goal line carries in 280 carries. I wouldn't even say that 7 goal line carries in 2 years qualifies as a short yardage back. Are there sources that will break down how many short yardage chances NO has had total in the last two years as a team? 7 chances inside the 5 is fine, but how many did he have outside the 5? Where does NO's Oline rank when it comes to run blocking the past two years? How healthy has Ingram been the past two years? How close to 100% was he playing? Why do I specifically remember reading on many occasion about NO's unimaginative play calling and the Defenses basically knowing that when Ingram is in the game they run the majority of the time? So whether that is short yardage or not, Ingram was keyed on. In Short yardage the line is still going to be stacked with 8 or 9 in the box whether its a run or a pass. There are simply too many variable for me to simply say the guy sucks.Will he light the world on fire this year and turn into Ray Rice? No. But can he very realistically produce like a Ridley/BGGE did in NE and put up 1100 and 10 TD's? I think it is very possible.
  2. Good posting. But it won't be recognized as such because people are convinced that the jury has returned and Ingram is guilty of sucking and is sentenced to watching Pierre Thomas steal his touches every week. I've never been able to land Ingram before for a price I thought acceptable, but count me in as a buyer this year if more "fluff" keeps coming out and all the haters ignore it and keep his price suppressed. Ummm, sorry, but he is guilty of sucking so far. A 1st round RB finishing 45th and 35th in non-PPR (far, far worse in PPR, which I play in all 3 leagues) is sucking. For those of us who play PPR, his floor is way worse than a RB3/flex play. That said, he should do better this year, because Ivory won't get 200+ yards like he has the past two years. On the other side, I don't think that Mark Ingram is a talented NFL runner so far. 3.9 ypc when D's are 100% focusing on Brees is not good. Thomas has averaged 4.8ypc with the Saints and Sproles averaged 6.9 ypc in 2011 and 5.1 ypc in 2012. Brees has averaged around 8ypa with the Saints, so with those two RBs ypc and Brees' ypa, why would they put more of a focus on Ingram? I sure don't think some of the 1000 yard 8-9 TD projections are even close. One quick question for everyone, is anyone worried about Sproles getting more carries? He was brought in by Payton just like Ingram was drafted by Payton. Sproles had twice as many carries in 2011 as he did in 2012. Maybe Payton will get back to given more carries to Sproles. It has been mentioned many times that Ingram's carries have primarily been on short yardage/goal line carries. In those cases, the D is NOT focused 100% on Brees, they are focused on stopping Ingram from picking up the first down. This significantly lowers Ingram's YPC numbers.
  3. everyone looks strong and fast during the first week of training camp Jordy Nelson underwent knee surgery Monday and he will be out for the rest of training camp. Eddie Lacy (hamstring) is a "concern" for Friday's preseason opener after missing his second consecutive practice Thursday. Second opinion confirms Bulaga done for year Just busting your stones...
  4. Is Ingram's situation really that much different from Ridley's in NE? Why couldn't a healthy Ingram put up 1100 and 10 td's on a juggernaut offense? I think Humpback hits the nail right on the head when he brings up the time of possession stat. NO cannot win unless they get ahead and STAY there. As good as Brees is, he doesn't exactly have Green Bay's WR's to throw to. Jimmy Graham is great, but outside of him, NO is average at best at WR. I think that we'll see NO work harder at getting ahead with more Sproles than Ingram...then once ahead, we are likely to see more Ingram than Sproles to try and grind out the clock so their putrid Defense can get some rest. My fear though is that with 2 of NO's pass rushers getting hurt already, that D won't be able to get pressure on opposing QB's and NO could find themselves constantly trying to get ahead like they did last year. Only time will tell, but I actually like what I'm hearing from Payton and the news out of camp that Ingram is running with the 1's and looking healthy/quick/strong.
  5. You lost me at arguing with Rude Classless Thugs and thinking you'd get far. I'm just playing. The jury is out on Vereen though. He should get more chances, so if you are a believer than you hold him. If you aren't, talk up the Woodhead and bye bye Welker and see if you can get a late first/second rounder.
  6. Agreed. Washington is more a return guy at this point."at this point"? What point? Is he too slow to be a running back, but fast enough to be a return guy? What skills have diminished? Just because one team used a guy one way doesn't mean he can't be utilized in a different way on a different team.I like Vereen, but I think it is silly to write Washington off. I'd be wary of him. I don't have a strong gut reaction one way or another, but I think the dismissive attitude of Vereen owners is a bit short sighted. I'll be buying if the price is right, but I'm not going to lose any sleep if I miss out on Vereen. This is a very murky situation.It is possible for Washington to get some carries. But keep in mind too that he was outplayed at RB on 3rd downs in Seattle by a rookie in Robert Turbin. Can Washington block? Why could he not beat out a rookie?FYI, Turbin would have beaten out Vereen, too.Possibly. I see Washington as being more of a special team guy than a quality RB or even a COP guy.
  7. Agreed. Washington is more a return guy at this point."at this point"? What point? Is he too slow to be a running back, but fast enough to be a return guy? What skills have diminished? Just because one team used a guy one way doesn't mean he can't be utilized in a different way on a different team.I like Vereen, but I think it is silly to write Washington off. I'd be wary of him. I don't have a strong gut reaction one way or another, but I think the dismissive attitude of Vereen owners is a bit short sighted. I'll be buying if the price is right, but I'm not going to lose any sleep if I miss out on Vereen. This is a very murky situation.It is possible for Washington to get some carries. But keep in mind too that he was outplayed at RB on 3rd downs in Seattle by a rookie in Robert Turbin. Can Washington block? Why could he not beat out a rookie?
  8. He's a good blocker, and that's about it. He has hands of stone.
  9. let's not forget the main reason the pats run so many plays isn't some kind of crazy fast break offense, it's because they successfully convert a lot of plays and string them together for long drives.will kelly be able to replicate that with what he has in philly?No, they will have a ton of 3 & Outs and the defense is going to be on the field a really long time. They don't have Brady.....huge difference.Brady is a huge difference, no doubt. Having a decent OL along with McCoy and Brown should be a decent start. And our division is crap.Since when has Philly had a decent OL? I realize they had some injuries this year, but their line has been PUTRID the past 2 years. With Vick's head the equivalent of applesauce in both physical form and the ability to read Defenses...the pressure will be on Foles. He's a tall, lanky, goon of a kid that will have no business trying to run a read-option offense.
  10. I don't think the playbook was designed to really do much more than what Tarvaris Jackson was asked to do in 2011: somewhere between 220-260 yards. They might change that up in the offseason, but the truth is the Seahawks are a ball control team and we'd rather run the ball than pass.I honestly don't see Wilson's stats changing much these first couple of years. Maybe if the fundamental makeup on the team shifts I could see a change, but we're not trying to quickly score a la the Falcons. As a matter of fact, I see ball control as a large part of why the defense looks so good this year.I know the Seahawks are a ball control team, at least they have been. Hard to see them getting too far from it. However, with Wilson's talent, and the amount of fun Seattle is having, why not open the playbook up? If Wilson can handle it, let him turn the gas on a little more like they have the last 3rd of the season. If Seattle adds a WR weapon and continues to develop that offense, they won't have to worry about winning close games. Sure, that puts more pressure on the D...but that D has an attitude and I think they might just thrive on that challenge.
  11. Unlike the past 3 pages...I HAVE very much enjoyed watching Wilson develop this season. All he has done is come in, work hard, encourage his fellow players, say the right things, do the right things and earn the respect of his coaches and the fans. Pete Carol has modeled for the league (a strong RB and Def helped)how to protect and ease a talented QB into the position. I am especially enjoying Carol unleash Wilson and let him win games now, rather than trying to keep him from not losing them. Perhaps the breaks could have come off earlier? Maybe Wilson was more ready to assume the reigns in the earlier part of the season? As evidence by what he was doing in pre-season and after Carol let him loose, I think he could have put up much bigger and better numbers that despite being in Seattle and on the West coast, would be pushing him even closer to consideration for the O-ROY.What do you guys think Wilson's numbers would have looked like had he been given the full on green light from the beginning like Luck and RG3 were given?
  12. He's backed himself into a corner. If he goes back to Smith now, he'll look wishy-washy as hell.As a 9er fan, I'm just afraid Harbaugh has two average QB's on his hands.
  13. I gotcha. The popcorn was me waiting for a response is all. My bad. Kaep had good rushing numbers, that is what saved his fake football day.
  14. or 16 ptsScored 19 in my league(Without a single td)Curious, if Kaep can put up 19 with no TD's...what kind of points do the QB's that actually SCORE TD's and don't turn the ball over put up?Huh?Not sure how to make the question any clearer, Jed. Clear as mud. 19 points with no TD's scored is nothing but spectacular, I'm guessing you just don't want to admit it?I'll try again, since apparently you are rather defensive over me asking Shady a simple question. Kaep scored 19 with no TD's in his league, while scoring less than 8 in my leagues....I'm simply curious what other QB's put up stat wise. Simple as that.Kaep...7.5 pointsBrady...9Stafford 17Cutler 19Luck 29Rodgers 11Ryan 9.5Cam 27.5Wilson 23
  15. or 16 ptsScored 19 in my league(Without a single td)Curious, if Kaep can put up 19 with no TD's...what kind of points do the QB's that actually SCORE TD's and don't turn the ball over put up?Huh?Not sure how to make the question any clearer, Jed.
  16. No. He's damn good though.Then who?Take a wild guess.The other rookie QB with 4 TD's...and 3 interceptions...that had to come from behind to beat a craptastic Detroit D? Yeah, the "coming from behind" part had nothing to do with his defense giving up 8,000 yards. And Wilson has All-Pro receivers akin to Reggie Wayne to throw to? Last year's Colts team was 2-14 because they had the Scientist at QB rather than Peyton Manning. That team last year struggled, but looked FAR WORSE than they are on offense with a bad QB. A BAD D only serves up more opportunity for Luck to HAVE to put up more numbers. I'd guess Luck wins ROY as well, so I'm not trying to rail on you too bad. Just pointing out that each one is held back/pushed forward by the situation dealt to them by their team.
  17. or 16 ptsScored 19 in my league(Without a single td)Curious, if Kaep can put up 19 with no TD's...what kind of points do the QB's that actually SCORE TD's and don't turn the ball over put up?This was a very disappointing loss. Is this what happens when average D's have a week to game plan against him?
  18. No. He's damn good though.Then who?Take a wild guess.The other rookie QB with 4 TD's...and 3 interceptions...that had to come from behind to beat a craptastic Detroit D?
  19. The OP, or someone else a few pages back, saying that Wilson will end up as a top 2 rookie QB from this class, or that he will be better than RG3. You just said both of those are wrong.So one fan (and a delusional one at that) is the basis of your argument? Ok. I've lost count of how many times I've tried to tell people that Scientist is a blind homer. We all have them. Every team. He's over the top. If you want direct an argument at him, please direct it at him. There's a much larger fan base that would have a rational discourse with you. I guess my "argument" is that Wilson will not make a great FF QB, and you guys are making my argument for me. When you have a "dominate defense" and a great running game....if that's your team's "mindset", then you will continue to have low scoring games where your QB doesn't have to put up big numbers for your team to have "success" (wins). As this is a RW bandwagon thread, I thought the discussion would be about RW, and not about the Seattle Seahawks, though. When you look at the top FF QBs so far this year, you do see some similar traits, though....poor defense and poor running game. As such, as long as this "mindset" you talk about continues, RW will not be a great or likely even good FF QB (which is the argument this thread should be about).Houston has a top D and arguably the best RB in the league. The running game holds back Schaub's numbers in a BIG way. He has proven that he has the ability to put the ball in the air, yet Kubiak's game plan continues to be run first, run second, in spite of having a very good QB and a Pro-Bowl WR in AJ. Russell is a rookie and is not being forced to put the team on his back like Luck/RG3/Tannehill is. I personally think that as Wilson develops and Seattle finds Wilson his "Andre Johnson and Owen Daniels", he'll be a very good QB. I think Wilson COULD become the QB that Philly wants Mike Vick to be.
  20. FYI----The Cardinals Defense gave up the 5th-fewest TD passes in 2011. An underrated group facing a rookie QB with 1 above average WR. I tend to agree that it may have been wiser to let Flynn start the season and let Wilson develop without the pressure. But if you run things the way Carrol has you lose your leverage.
  21. What can be done when he clearly outperformed and out-prepared Flynn by all accounts?Its not as if Flynn fell on his face. Flynn had a good preseason himself. I think it was safe to say that after today it is looking like Flynn may have been the better play. Did you actually watch the game? Wilson was running for his life out there. Flynn would ahve been sacked at least 3 more times than Wilson was. The o-line is to blame for the loss and rushed throws. Wilson played well and if you go to any Seahawks board, they all echo that statement. They actually watched the game.I watched plenty of the game. There was some bad O line play for sure. Wilson did do a nice job at times of escaping some of that pressure. There were also times when that pressure was shown well before the snap. I am not sure if Wilson could have audibled, threw to a hot read etc. The Cardinals were blizting a lot. They showed little respect for Wilson as they left man coverage outside often and there were so many opportunites for big plays in this game. Wilson is more athletic than Flynn for sure, but there are other ways that QB's can avoid taking sacks. Carroll was defending Wilson's play and many of Wilson's fans will as well. However, at some point if this play continues (it was not very good) and the Seahawks continue to lose than Flynn has to be inserted to perhaps salvage the season. Bad protection. Some bad throws. Plenty of dropped balls and coverage sacks despite Wilson getting to his 3rd/4th reads. Some play calling that left Seattle in obvious passing downs with mediocre at best WR play (even still, Seattle had 3 balls that should have been TD catches in that last drive). I think Seattle's conservatism (see wanting to protect Wilson and not ask him to do too much right away) left them predictable and Russell didn't get a lot of help with guys making plays on the receiving end. I think there is criticism to be handed out to EVERYONE, not just to Wilson and not everyone but him. If people were thinking Wilson was going to come in and have a top 5 QB performance this week then they believed too much hype and were greatly disappointed (and they look bad now). If anyone was expecting a complete flop on his face, you too were disappointed because that was far from a flop. Despite some average play overall, Wilson drove his team down and delivered the ball when and where it needed to be to win. Unfortunately though, he couldn't both pass AND catch his own pass. As for Flynn not starting, I wonder how much of a choice Carrol had when it was all said and done. Sure, he's the coach...but he promised that the best performer would win the competition...Wilson won by a good margin. Not only did Wilson win the performance issue, but I think he hands down DESTROYED Flynn in the leadership department. The camera showed Wilson coaching up and encouraging his line during the game. Not yelling at them, but encouraging...and every one of the guys were shown slapping hands with Wilson. Sure you couldn't hear what he was saying, but it was clear that he was in the trenches firing his guys up. Wilson has influence and leadership in this team already that likely undercut Flynn's influence and would have left Flynn looking over his shoulder.
  22. I appreciate your homerism but please don't try to convince us that the Seahawks were a run-first team today. They ran over 40 pass plays, compared to less than 30 running plays.First, I'm not a Seahawks fan. Secondly, they are absolutely a Run First team with Lynch, and have been a run first team for as long as I can remember. When has Seattle ever been a PASSING team? As for running over 40 pass plays----the box score says 34 (only 7 short of almost over 40....the box score also says 33 rushing plays---which is 4 more than less than 30. I'm not very good with math. How many pass plays did Seattle run by quarter today? (a link would be nice...I don't trust your math) You forgot to count th plays where Wilson dropped back and ended up running. So, the Math is correct.Also forgot to count the sacks. That makes more sense, thanks for the clarification. Just got to the bottom of this thread. I agree that the NFL is a pass first league if we are talking %'s of rush-vs-pass...but you won't confuse the Seahawks O with the Pats/Packers when it comes to attempts/yards/TD's is all I'm trying to get at.
  23. I appreciate your homerism but please don't try to convince us that the Seahawks were a run-first team today. They ran over 40 pass plays, compared to less than 30 running plays.First, I'm not a Seahawks fan. Secondly, they are absolutely a Run First team with Lynch, and have been a run first team for as long as I can remember. When has Seattle ever been a PASSING team? As for running over 40 pass plays----the box score says 34 (only 7 short of almost over 40....the box score also says 33 rushing plays---which is 4 more than less than 30. I'm not very good with math. Just got to the bottom of this thread. I agree that the NFL is a pass first league if we are talking %'s of rush-vs-pass...but you won't confuse the Seahawks O with the Pats/Packers when it comes to attempts/yards/TD's is all I'm trying to get at.
  24. Fortunately for you, Sidney Rice is 7'-8" and hauled in that throw for a TD.Keep tryin', guy.Don't have to. I just let these guys play do the legwork. Then I come in and say I told ya so.13 penalties. Braylon Edwards at WR. Dropped passes left and right. Constant blitzing, WR's covered like blankets. Seattle was clearly run first, second, and if Lynch didn't get the first down then Wilson was stuck in obvious passing downs and blitzed. He definitely sailed some balls and made a bad .2 second judgement call on the play deemed a fumble because he threw it behind the line of scrimmage. The kid showed moxie and poise and the clear trust of his team and coach. I think if Pete intends to win, he's going to have to give Wilson some more rope and let him play.To simply look at stats outside of context is foolish, and to express them definitively just leaves you looking ignorant. I would concur if we were talking about Tebow. But I'd have a VERY difficult time comparing Tebow with Russel (I've actually never heard that comparison) when it comes to being able to be a successful QB in the NFL. Tebow won football games in College...but I'd never try to hold his passing up to Wilson's (accuracy, TD/Int ratio, poise in the pocket/presence, release point/throwing motion,etc).Truth is, you aren't really talking to me...you are hoping the jackwagons saying Wilson is the 2nd coming of Cam Newton and is better than Luck and RB3 put together will show up in here. I'm not in that camp. I've never been in Tebow's camp from a QB standpoint. I'm not claiming is Drew Brees. Nor is he Mike Vick. I don't think we know who Russell will really compare to without a string of games as evidence. It felt like Seattle was holding Wilson back and trying to protect him unnecessarily with Lynch and the running game today. When it came down to it though, the passing game was exposed due to mediocre receivers, blitzing, getting stuck in obvious passing downs,etc...I just didn't get that same sense with Tebow, who I believe Denver had to protect because he was an option QB that couldn't throw.I don't have a dog in this fight, but I'm pulling for Russell to get his shot because I like what I see and think the kid could be a top 10-12 QB if Seattle can improve their WR's.
  25. Fortunately for you, Sidney Rice is 7'-8" and hauled in that throw for a TD.Keep tryin', guy.Don't have to. I just let these guys play do the legwork. Then I come in and say I told ya so.13 penalties. Braylon Edwards at WR. Dropped passes left and right. Constant blitzing, WR's covered like blankets. Seattle was clearly run first, second, and if Lynch didn't get the first down then Wilson was stuck in obvious passing downs and blitzed. He definitely sailed some balls and made a bad .2 second judgement call on the play deemed a fumble because he threw it behind the line of scrimmage. The kid showed moxie and poise and the clear trust of his team and coach. I think if Pete intends to win, he's going to have to give Wilson some more rope and let him play.To simply look at stats outside of context is foolish, and to express them definitively just leaves you looking ignorant.