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Scooby1974

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  1. Devil's advocate:That's one play -- show me more ... and sustain it.This is two weeks in the last 3 with a TD. The kid needs time.
  2. that was Pierre ThomasPlease don't bother us with the facts. Some of us are just looking for any chance we can find to stab Ingram in the back. Clearly it's HIS or SOMEONE else's fault we drafted him. I'm pretty sure someone took over my keyboard in round 3.
  3. I see this point brought up quite a bit.I rarely see anyone consider that that one cuts both ways -- Ingram could just as easily get hurt, and lose whatever value he still has. Thats cool too: If you drafted Ingram then you should also have drafted Thomas. In the Saints games I've watched this year, Thomas has outplayed Ingram anyway.I can't imaging a scenario where someone would draft Ingram relatively early and not take Thomas. If your league has short benches then you should have rated Ingram far lower on your draft board. He was never poised to be a #1 guy without an injury to Thomas/Sproles. It was a similar situation to San Diego's tandem of Mathews and Tolbert this offseason. Plan on taking both if you want to draft either one. I haven't seen this, though I see many claim it.If you havent seen it then you havent been watching the games or even reading the basic stats. Thomas is outplaying Ingram per touch, by a large margin.Rushing Statistics Player Att Yds Yds/Att Long TD Mark Ingram 62 216 3.5 17 2 Pierre Thomas 34 154 4.5 21 0 Receiving Statistics Player Rec Yds Yds/Rec Long TD Pierre Thomas 14 133 9.5 19 1 Mark Ingram 6 17 2.8 9 0 If either player goes down, the other one becomes much more valuable. Thomas has looked much better this year, although Ingram is getting more carries. If you don't see that then you aren't watching the games. This is very flawed analysis. I'm one of Pierre's biggest supporters, and he hasn't looked as impressive as Ingram. Ingram has had the bulk of short yardage carries which has his ypc skewed. Defenses have really keyed on him in those situationsNot to mention, Ingram is a rookie and didn't have the normal training camp time to get accustom to the offense (see full and extremely detailed play book, blocking assignments, audibles, etc).
  4. I see this point brought up quite a bit.I rarely see anyone consider that that one cuts both ways -- Ingram could just as easily get hurt, and lose whatever value he still has. Thats cool too: If you drafted Ingram then you should also have drafted Thomas. In the Saints games I've watched this year, Thomas has outplayed Ingram anyway.I can't imaging a scenario where someone would draft Ingram relatively early and not take Thomas. If your league has short benches then you should have rated Ingram far lower on your draft board. He was never poised to be a #1 guy without an injury to Thomas/Sproles. It was a similar situation to San Diego's tandem of Mathews and Tolbert this offseason. Plan on taking both if you want to draft either one. Precisely why I don't get why the "experts" on this site have stubbornly pounded the pavement on Ingram since July. I foolishly listened but figured that they gave me some good ones last year like Nicks and Blount, who helped me win my league. The 3rd RB in a 3 ring Circus was not the RB to hang their hats on this season.Nobody drafted Blount.
  5. I draft guys in the 6th round and later if I expect them to sit on my bench with no chance of contributing for half a season in redraft leagues. Ingram went much higher than that and was a total reach for what his production looks like right now.And for anyone comparing Ingram to Blount's situation, you're dreaming. Caddy was awful, so making the move to Blount made sense. Sproles and Thomas have been tearing it up so far and have put up much better numbers than Ingram. What incentive do the Saints have to increase his workload when everyone else is already doing more with less? If anything, he may see a REDUCTION in his carries going forward. Anyone expecting a lot more from Ingram was dreaming given the circumstances.As for my Blount comparison....help me understand....Was it that Caddy was awful? He wasn't looking awful in the beginning of the year. Did he get hurt? I honestly don't remember. What I do remember is Blount was eased into the running game slowly as he picked things up as a rookie. I agree that Sproles is tearing it up, Thomas has looked decent(not tearing it up though). NO has the luxury of bringing Ingram along more slowly than Blount was. How many games into the season was it that Blount really began to take over? Was it 4? or was it more like 8 or 9? With more time, I don't see Ingram REGRESSING. As things "slow down" for Ingram ( (offensive scheme/pass blocking assignments) I believe (as evidenced by his increased touches) he'll continue to get more and more chances. Will he be a 3 down back with Sproles playing the way he is? Not likely. But I do think he will likely be a RB2 beginning around mid-season barring injury.
  6. Ingram smells of LaGarret Blount circa 2010. No mini-camp. Struggled to pick things up. Passing game came on and opened things up for some rushing. Blount flourished in the 2nd half of the season after realizing his potential. Caddy took a back seat and Blount started hurdling DB's like he was in the Olympics. NO has been meddling offensively instead of getting up comfortably due to some tough/tight matchups with some high powered O's and stingy D's against the run. Ingram needs a few games with some consistent drives to get into a groove so we can see what he's capable of. I do think he'll find his confidence in this run of 5 games ahead. He may not be the ROY, but if you notice, no other rookie RB is exactly taking off after the prize either.
  7. It's pretty telling that Ingram is your bust of the year given how he's being completely destroyed by his fellow crop of 2011 rookie RB's. On another note, are those that drafted Chris Johnson and his 200 total yards and Zero TD's throwing him under the bus yet too?
  8. This + playing from behind (GB & Houston's high powered O's and good D's) + short training camp + rookie = RB2-RB3 this year. The cream will rise to the top, gotta give it time to develop. Anyone that drafted Ingram in a redraft to be a RB1/RB2 was, dare I say it, a bit foolish.Last time I checked they dont play GB or HOU again this yr, and the next 6 weeks are: JAX, CAR, TB, IND, STL, TB. The Saints might not be playing from behind, at any point, in any of those games.Last time I checked, you didn't get my point at all.
  9. This + playing from behind (GB & Houston's high powered O's and good D's) + short training camp + rookie = RB2-RB3 this year. The cream will rise to the top, gotta give it time to develop. Anyone that drafted Ingram in a redraft to be a RB1/RB2 was, dare I say it, a bit foolish.So then you also agree that FBG was, dare I say it, a bit foolish for recommending Ingram as a RB1/RB2 in redraft leagues?My statement would imply that I disagree with RB1 claims but could see him pulling off RB2 #'s, would it not?
  10. This + playing from behind (GB & Houston's high powered O's and good D's) + short training camp + rookie = RB2-RB3 this year. The cream will rise to the top, gotta give it time to develop. Anyone that drafted Ingram in a redraft to be a RB1/RB2 was, dare I say it, a bit foolish.
  11. I noted that the opening drive after halftime was built around Ingram snapping off 5-8 yard runs and marching the Saints down the field. If GB isn't up 2+ TD's I think we would have seen a steady diet of Ingram. As it were they were forced to pass in order to keep up. It was his first game, he looked VERY solid. Made some very quick, shifty, and powerful runs between the tackles. The kid will be fine. Say what you want about PT, he looked good, but was also the beneficiary of coming in in some not-so-obvious running situations.
  12. Let's jump the gun a bit here and ASSuME our #mancrush JT wins the starting TE job in Denver and also that Orton is the QB there. Does anyone want to venture some projections as far as # of receptions/yards/Td's?
  13. In the same vein...doesn't Green have the same chance? Why isn't he standing out against said "staunch Denver Defense"?
  14. I take some solace in the fact that this isn't Cecil's first rodeo and it is him that is pimping JT. Sure he is going up against the Denver D, but the moves it sounds like he is laying down aren't exclusive to bad defenders. I'd love to think I just drafted the starting TE in Denver after Virgil Green was already off the board. Chugga Chugga Chugga Chugga...I'm onboard this train!
  15. You people take yourselves WAY too seriously...
  16. High pass/run ratio? Check. High passing TD to Rushing TD ratio? Check. High percentage of carries going to other backs? Check. If you are in a PPR league, I think the Saints are a plus for him. Otherwise, I think it is neutral and would have much preferred the Dolphins.Ingram's skills and abilities have very likely changed the context. The story has changed, we just don't know what it will look like yet. It would be foolish to assume that the ratios will stay the same and that the percentage of carries will stay split.As for the Dolphins, maybe Ingram could have done well there. Who knows, their context has changed as well. With little threat at QB, everyone stacks the box and Ingram would have to contest with 8 guys in the box knowing that he's coming.Context context context...we'll see.
  17. Might want to take a look at Peyton Manning's rookie year's INT to TD ratio.Report back your talking bout PLAYOFFS? which team was better Ind or Balt?report back... If Peyton had the Ravens D, I dont think he'd lose a game I second that, not only that, did somebody actually tell us to go compare him to Peyton? Flacco is a rookie on a team that is winning strictly bcuz of the D and cuz they pound the ball with McClain. Personally if they had a better QB they might be using Rice or McGahee a little more! But with teams knowing they are gonna run a ton, they need to use the durable big back! Flacco hurts this team more then helps if you ask me, and here is why I think Tennessee wins this week. A Rookie QB against a Tennessee D that is at home in the Playoffs! Lets see if people praise this kid after his 3 TO performance!!! For one, when did the PLAYOFFS get brought into the conversation? The original post said only Flacco sucks because he has almost as many INT as TD's and poor passer rating. That's all it said. So, why wouldn't you compare him to Manning's rookie year? Manning had almost as many INT as TD's, too, and he doesn't suck. The whole "team" performance thing is crazy, point out anywhere in the first post or my post that states anything about how the team ended up. ummm I was pretending to be Jim Mora Manning team sucked when he was a rookie, Joe's does not. Faulk was Manning's leading receiver! Manning had 26 tds and was always playing from behind. Joe sucks and you know it! Another Trent Edwards all over again.... This allegedly awesome Baltimore team Flacco is leading won 4 games last season. Cue the 2007 excuse mongers in 3...2...1... were not talking about last year....for that look what Chad P did with the dolphins then..LMAOyou like apples? how you like them apples! actually, the opposite of that.What are you talking about? Peyton took over a team with 2 Hall of Famers at RB and WR. None of Baltimore's RBs or WRs will sniff the hall (most likely, I guess we can't tell about Rice yet) Peyton made no difference in the W/L column his rookie year. Gotta love these threads I too was thinking that Peyton had much more talent around him than Flacco does. Only time will tell, but if Flacco is treated like Cutler was in Denver he could really develop well. Give him more and more rope as he learns and lets see what happens. Oh, and draft a "Marshall" and "Royal" for Flacco to throw to as well.
  18. What do you guys think of Brandon Jackson? Will he ever turn into something or should we go after another RB sleeper like Ware/ Marcus Thomas/ Parmalee/Lumpkin/?
  19. What do you guys think of Brandon Jackson's dynasty value? Will he ever amount to anything significant? Does he move out of GB and become legit or is he "drop-able" in a 10 team 27 man roster dynasty?
  20. He'll want to know which C. Johnson. Chad or Chris. ETA: ooops beat me too it. ha. or Calvin