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  1. Do you NEED to franchise him? No. But nobody is saying you do. What we ARE saying is that other suitors have much more to offer by means of stronger teams, better situations, and just as much money. If I'm JG and thinking long term, I'm likely already leaning toward Denver or Jax or even Minny. So Franchising him now costs SF more money but guarantees they get him. It also guarantees they don't need to burn their top pick on a QB. CAN YOU AGREE WITH THIS, Ninja? I wouldn't deny that their odds of winning improves IF HE PLAYS and PLAYS VERY WELL with backup at best starters. He IS FAR better than Beathard. But ASSUMING they put him in their NOW or AT ALL is a HUGE ASSUMPTION. However, even if he goes in there and overcomes all that is set against him (missing OTA's, preseason, practice, chemistry, half a season, new system----I agree with all your points here) I STILL don't think they can win.
  2. If it's weak, and I agree, than let it ride. It's the OTHER bad assumptions you are making that we care most to refute. But you CAN'T LISTEN because you have to be right.
  3. Inexperienced on the game field (playing well when he DID play) but not on the practice quad, YEARS OF TIME with the best QB to sling the ball ever and arguable the best Coach in the modern era. It's likely he'd be (and will be) a starter on 75% of the other 32 teams in the league. Dude drew the short straw backing up Brady if he was expecting ANY playing time. haha
  4. You are the only one arguing money savings, with yourself. Please stop.
  5. Thank you for conceeding something here... Secondly, it is a HUGE ASSUMPTION that you are making by implying that this is an evaluation process starting from near zero. They likely already made up their mind that he's their guy and they are willing to use a tag on him and pay him. Third, you ASSUME SF can win a game. Without OR with him. There is just NO GUARANTEE he even steps on the game field, OR that if he steps on the field that he can throw it to (basically me at WR) and we can win. So many ASSumptions in stinks.
  6. We've been over your bullet points a million times and it seems nobody is buying them, hence the pushback. 1. You assume the "evaluation process" is starting when JG hits the ground in SF when it actually started YEARS AGO. Shanny liked the kid YEARS ago. I'm sure he has watched every bit of tape on him, has spoken with all the people you think he hasn't, it is likely all the "due dilligence" you ASSUME hasn't been done actually HAS been done and the risk of not having a high 2nd round pick has been weighed in light of him being as good as he appears he could be. 2. You ASSUME he is going to play AND WIN with this SF culture/current roster and as you have said no OTA's/preseason/practice/half a season gone---EXTREMELY UNLIKELY. Shanny has eluded to the fact that he may not at all. For all the reasons you mention that it would be dangerous to toss him in there, that may be exactly what SF believes too. So why risk bodily injury on a guy you are 95% sure is YOUR GUY moving forward already? Why win and decrease chances at the top pick? Do you think YOU are the ONLY PERSON to think this? haha. Let him sit and watch Beathard get killed and listen to him break down film, see what he thinks, practice and watch him back up everything you already thought about him. See what he would have done in the situation, etc....then add that to the impression you had of him when you traded a 2nd for him (not two first, a 3rd, and a conditional pick to be named later). You want to talk about ??? Maybe your IQ is just too high for your own good. I know a LOT of really smart people that have very little common sense. You are better than this Ninja. :)
  7. This! And Shanny already eluded to the fact that he may NOT PLAY or may not play MUCH. Frankly, now with Garcon shut down (their best WR)...I'm just not sure how SF will strike any sort of fear in teams they are playing.
  8. Can they AFFORD IT, Yes. But if he looks at the Denver D and the WR core and then looks at SF....and they are both offering similar money...and he wants to WIN NOW...where is more likely to sign?
  9. How about when 4-5 TEAMS back up a dump truck full of money? Seems to me he would have had the choice.....NOW he DOESN'T if they pay him 1 year and lock him down. Come on man...
  10. I realize you are list listing these buys, but. Yeah, I'm sure Brees would just LOVE to come play for the niners. Haha. Brandford is ALWAYS hurt and Teddy is too. One of those two jokers and their balky bodies are going to stay in Minny most likely, unless Minny tosses both and outbids for Cousins or JG.
  11. Wow. Some pretty high expectations for this kid! I just dumped Stills for him and tossed him in my lineup. Week 9 byes are KILLING me.
  12. This would be GREAT. Don't screw up that high draft pick! Spend the next two months grooming, practicing, testing, watching film, etc. If he seems to be worth his salt, commit to signing him to a decent deal and you have a starting QB. Pick a stud or trade the top pick for more lesser pics.
  13. We got 411 pages "saying otherwise". The football savior will be here in 5 weeks!!!!!
  14. And done more yard and TD's than some of them combined.
  15. Of course it was simplistic, it was one sentence. What if he does get injured? You know we can't plan for that. What if I get injured on the way home from work today (assuming I have a job after typing all this dribble at work ). The point isn't that trading the 2nd rounder is FAIL SAFE, the point is that having him for 2+ months helps to greatly reduce the UNKNOWN factors that would come with signing him AFTER the season and taking their chances. Definitely...of course not.....but they'd know a WHOLE LOT MORE about him after 2 months with him than they would without him in the fold. They'd also know much more than they would after a day visit from a top QB in the draft process. It's clearly a calculated risk, no doubt. They'll find out A LOT EARLIER to find out the "exact same thing if they had waited a few months" and BEFORE they sign him to an $80mill/4 year deal. Date the dude for 2+ months and see if you want to marry him...OR...Marry him and THEN SEE if you should have married him. There is clearly much risk in both situations, but less risk in what they are doing IMO.
  16. Not a good week with my NE and Pittsburgh studs on bye... Does he outperform Willie "I suck and don't play anyway" Snead and his ZERO points a game this week?
  17. Option 1: sign him to a 80 mill. for 4 years contract in the off-season having very little info on him and be stuck with him after you find out two months in he's a career backup in his brain + use the #33 pick and have a better chance at the #1 but not being too sure he can be your franchise guy. Option 2: trade the #33-#36, evaluate him holistically (skills, leadership, brains, temperament,etc.) and either cut bait (take a top QB in the draft) or CONFIDENTLY lock him up for 80 mill/4 yrs. and get either A. Stud at the 1-3 pick or B. Trade down for more pics. That's how I am seeing it...and I still take Option 2 with a plan to make sure my team screws up enough to not win any games for the best shot at #1.
  18. YES, totally agree! In lieu of continuing to suck badly and trying to turn it around via the draft ONLY, they appear to be trying to do BOTH get a franchise QB AND a top Player at the top of the draft or secure more pics. IF they can get JG and FEEL CONFIDENT about him (using the pic to buy the chance of really getting to know him in all facets of the game) then they sign him and use the top pic/multiple pics to keep rebuilding. Agreed again, I truly hope they are able to find out what they need in this short time with JG WHILE CONTINUING to lose. Let's start the next "Suck for ___" campaign and be sure to increased the odds of the ideal. (JG working out great AND the top pick) Good stuff, Ninja.
  19. SF could spin their wheels trying to figure that out whether it is JG or not...the same thing would happen if they draft a top QB (none of which am I impressed with so far, but maybe a Wentz comes out of the blue?). Agreed on the two month plus eval....but rather have that than two days of interviews and NE coaches blowing smoke about how great he is.
  20. What is the BEST WAY to figure out IF Jimmy is your guy? Option 1: Wait, pay for him, bring him in and find out. Option 2: Trade for him, interrogate/watch/torture/ask/listen/practice/watch him play/have him break down 2 months plus of film alongside you/etc......THEN, take ALL THAT INFO and make a VERY informed (although not exactly ideal due to circumstances) decision based on INFO and RELATIONSHIP with JG to EITHER Sign him OR pass and lose out on the decent crapshoot of a #33 pick. If my job and the franchise is on the line...I take the chance of losing 1 pick for the good of all involved.
  21. Can JG come in for a two month private workout with the team? No. This isn't a black and white issue that you seem to make it, it is gray. Two months of a holistic view of JG -vs- a few days with a smiley face and no pressure on is NOT CLOSE TO THE SAME type of evaluation that would lead to the same confidence that the guy can help lead a franchise. Right, so "call his buddies" and ask them what they think -vs- SEE FOR YOURSELF. Apples and Oranges. You certainly do trade one pick if it allows you a better shot at passing on a QB at #1 or #2 and turning that into either a handful of MORE VALUABLE pics OR the Best OL or DL in the draft. Again, $$$ is not issue's increasing the odds of SUCCESS an MORE KNOWLEDGE will leverage MORE chance for SUCCESS. They rent him, get to know him and gain EVERY ADVANTAGE we've been talking about (not an advantage in signing him, but advantage in knowing if they WANT TO) We AREN'T saying it will save them money. At least I'm not Sorry to pounce on your posts, Ninja....don't take it personally...I'm just trying to clarify some things on the other side.
  22. NE has to be willing to trade's doubtful they were until now. I HIGHLY DOUBT JG is going to turn this mess around to the point of losing a top pick EVEN IF HE's AMAZING. There is also NOTHING saying they don't keep JG on ice and "suck for Luck" like the Colts did (ironically may be doing all over again) for a few weeks and toss him in when he's further along. Get all you can out of film study, practice time, conversations, etc.
  23. Agreed, the compensatory pick is a good point. It's something. I don't think paying more money is an issue for SF, coupon or no coupon, they are going to spend A LOT of money on a QB so I toss the $$$ savings out. If they want him, they HAVE to pay more than anyone else. If he does play poorly, they will have the major advantage of talking to him, listening, watching practice, watching how he handles the failure or perceived failure, watching how he rallies or doesn't rally his teammates, etc. Again, SF KNOWS they have weak spots that they need to consider. No doubt they consider the same things with Beathard too, but perhaps JG comes in and overcomes SOME of those things and they see him turn some of the tide in 2 months regardless of wins/losses. SF has no issue with money. How in the world does gaining TONS MORE KNOWLEDGE make investing money in him MORE Complicated than taking a near blind guess like like the Texans and Bears did? Agreed that EVERYONE has the same ability to get a potential franchise QB in JG...what this does is it gives the 9ers TONS of KNOWLEDGE and MUCH MORE CONFIDENCE to know if they SHOULD go after him...rather than a blind stab as I mentioned above. Without this trade, they don't have any advantage in Knowledge for the front office to make further personnel moves. Again, $$$ is no issue in I don't think any argument for or against money plays into this JG scenerio at all.
  24. Yes, if they WANT and CAN SIGN sign JG or Cousins.....they've got $$ and cap room for days.