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  1. I'm not sure about across the board, but many jurisdictions these days don't allow the woman to drop the case once the state presses charges for this exact reason.
  2. I get the feeling that Pitbull doesn't hire an attorney, one is appointed to him. Lol, if I had attorneys appointed for me I'd still be in prison.
  3. Ok Christo, I suppose the DA could have trumped up a felony robbery charge, but he'd never be convicted of a felony. Not even with a Public Pretender. I always thought shoplifting was something one did surreptitously not brazenly in front of the store owner. I thought shoplifting was sneaking items out of the store through slight of hand. In this instance the robber made no attempt to conceal the item. He took it, looked right at the store owner, shoved the man half his size aside, and when the man objected he came back towards him, threw out his chest in a challenge, and then strolled out of the store. That is a strong arm robbery. The item was taken by force. If one were to have a P.D. try to plead it down a Prosecutor might reduce it to shoplifting or misdemeanor theft with a misdemeanor battery charge as well. I emphasize might.I am going to submit that my opinion on this matter carries some weight given my profession and experience. That's all I was really trying to get at. This case would never even go before a jury. There would have been a plea to lesser charges, the da pads his conviction rate, the kid doesn't end up w a felony on his record. Let's remember the kid is 18, and doesn't have a criminal record, nobody was hurt and it was some cigars. No way he gets a felony. I disagree. If he gets an offer, and if he is smart enough to take the offer, then he gets off with two misdemeanors, likely involving some jail time, but not prison time. If he does not the case goes to trial and it is a slam dunk conviction and he takes a felony. In my experience lots of folks will turn down a plea agreement that involves some jail time, hoping to roll the dice and get off. I place the odd right around 50% that the average kid in his place takes the deal, does 30 days jail with maybe another 150 suspended upon no similar violations for a year.The act is clearly a felony. I guess if I was in the kids position, with the video out there, I'm taking the plea all day long 100% of the time. He'd have to have some real bad advice from someone in his corner to not take the plea. Good kid, first time offender, if it was just shoplifting, which was your initial position, a P.D. would likely get a deferred judgment upon completion of an anti-shoplifting course and some useful public service. I throw a few lines out there and now you are jumping to take two misdemeanor convictions with some jail time. First off I believe you have abandoned your initial position, which was wise. Obviously even you do not believe it was a simply shoplift. Second of all, if you are ever in trouble, hire an attorney. Pretty sure my initial stance, which you quoted, was that yeah the da might trump up some robbery charges but no way the kid ends up w a felony. I never strayed from that./edit: and I'll add, imo, no way the kid gets approved for diversion.
  4. Ok Christo, I suppose the DA could have trumped up a felony robbery charge, but he'd never be convicted of a felony. Not even with a Public Pretender. I always thought shoplifting was something one did surreptitously not brazenly in front of the store owner. I thought shoplifting was sneaking items out of the store through slight of hand. In this instance the robber made no attempt to conceal the item. He took it, looked right at the store owner, shoved the man half his size aside, and when the man objected he came back towards him, threw out his chest in a challenge, and then strolled out of the store. That is a strong arm robbery. The item was taken by force. If one were to have a P.D. try to plead it down a Prosecutor might reduce it to shoplifting or misdemeanor theft with a misdemeanor battery charge as well. I emphasize might.I am going to submit that my opinion on this matter carries some weight given my profession and experience. That's all I was really trying to get at. This case would never even go before a jury. There would have been a plea to lesser charges, the da pads his conviction rate, the kid doesn't end up w a felony on his record. Let's remember the kid is 18, and doesn't have a criminal record, nobody was hurt and it was some cigars. No way he gets a felony. I disagree. If he gets an offer, and if he is smart enough to take the offer, then he gets off with two misdemeanors, likely involving some jail time, but not prison time. If he does not the case goes to trial and it is a slam dunk conviction and he takes a felony. In my experience lots of folks will turn down a plea agreement that involves some jail time, hoping to roll the dice and get off. I place the odd right around 50% that the average kid in his place takes the deal, does 30 days jail with maybe another 150 suspended upon no similar violations for a year.The act is clearly a felony. I guess if I was in the kids position, with the video out there, I'm taking the plea all day long 100% of the time. He'd have to have some real bad advice from someone in his corner to not take the plea.
  5. My wife worked in LP at both Target and BB. They were strictly forbidden to try and apprehend a shoplifter. They were allowed to approach them, and ask them, but not physically apprehend them. This goes back to the 90's. Not sure when you worked in LP, but PitBull is spot on with what he said. I already agreed that Target no longer apprehends shoplifters. They changed their rules sometime in the mid-90's after I left. BB puts their LP at the front desk, they are more of a door greeter than loss prevention. I know there are stores that don't chase or physically apprehend shoplifters any longer. But there are stores that still do. Usually the policy and procedures state they can pursue if the suspect can be apprehended in a quick and safe manner, and within a reasonable distance. If retail stores no longer apprehend shoplifters, then how are people being charged with shoplifting? . Doesn't look like they are using handcuffs either.Canada, and questionable whether those are actually in house LP guys or Undercover Cops. I'm betting on the latter. I'd take that bet. This is common occurrence for LP, especially in a mall setting. Also, the Mall Security guy wouldn't have stepped in at the end, if those were actual off duty cops. No need to worry about stupid criminals that have no regards for LP personnel. Oh look, Canada Again! And, I guarantee if that LP person was employed by a large company he isn't anymore. Again, you miss the point. There are people in this world that will do anything to escape a shoplifting charge Cops. Proof? Who would stab a Loss Prevention Agent? Pretty sure that LP guy doesn't have a job after that one. See my above comment about regard for LP agents. Nobody said they aren't apprehending. I'm saying you are full of #### in general about the risk of your job, or that you are chasing and scuffling with criminals so many times as to need a career change. It ain't happening. You are apprehending people a lot. People who throw their arms up and quit as soon as you meet them at the front door. You aren't apprehending people who put up any kind of fight, because you would lose your job. Please refer to my first post. Yep. Most people will drop what they have if you confront them, and threaten to call the police. If they take off running out the door, you let them go. Try to get a license plate number. They're already on tape. Slap their photo in the local crimestoppers database, or show it on the news. The police will find them. We've all seen the videos of people trying to be parking lot heroes. When that happens, the employee is usually fired like Pitbull said. Bolded depends on the companies policies. Which you two seem to want to throw a blanket statement out that all companies prohibit detention, chasing, and handcuffing.At my current company I don't work in the stores,(although I will be on Black Friday) I work in distribution where I handle internal theft and safety issues. But I was able to look at the LP policy and procedure manual this morning. It states clearly that they are allowed to pursue shoplifters within the boundaries of company property. It also states that they are allowed to use handcuffs when a shoplifter fails to comply with requests to return to the store, or attempts to run. This manual was updated in the last 6 months, so it is current policy. I would guess I have apprehended, or been involved in the apprehension of 500+ shoplifters in my career. Probably, 50-75 of them ran or fought with me. I've tackled, chased, and handcuffed lots of people. Never once in my career have I been written up for my actions. (much less fired) Two Christmases ago, my boss and I tackled a kid outside the mall entrance at JCPenney's. He tried to wear out a leather jacket. When we stopped him, he took off the jacket and started to bolt. We took out a small Christmas tree and metal sign as we tackled him. Not a peep from the Mall, Mall Security, or my bosses boss. Something that you forgot to take into consideration with your reference to technology is that companies see it as a way to have less staff in the LP department. Cameras make it easier for one person to watch an entire store. It doesn't make it easier to apprehend a shoplifter. In the old days, we would have 2 or 3 people walking the floor and available during an apprehension. Being outnumbered was a deterrent for a shoplifter to fight or run. This is part of the reason I feel things are getting worse. If you guys want to keep mucking up this thread, we can. I'm yet to hear any real proof from you guys that confirms I'm full of ####. Ok Mr Super hero. You're so full of #### you actually believe the sperg coming out of your mouth. I'd probably glorify my life to if I was a mail man who also worked mall security.
  6. Ok Christo, I suppose the DA could have trumped up a felony robbery charge, but he'd never be convicted of a felony. Not even with a Public Pretender. I always thought shoplifting was something one did surreptitously not brazenly in front of the store owner. I thought shoplifting was sneaking items out of the store through slight of hand. In this instance the robber made no attempt to conceal the item. He took it, looked right at the store owner, shoved the man half his size aside, and when the man objected he came back towards him, threw out his chest in a challenge, and then strolled out of the store. That is a strong arm robbery. The item was taken by force. If one were to have a P.D. try to plead it down a Prosecutor might reduce it to shoplifting or misdemeanor theft with a misdemeanor battery charge as well. I emphasize might.I am going to submit that my opinion on this matter carries some weight given my profession and experience. That's all I was really trying to get at. This case would never even go before a jury. There would have been a plea to lesser charges, the da pads his conviction rate, the kid doesn't end up w a felony on his record. Let's remember the kid is 18, and doesn't have a criminal record, nobody was hurt and it was some cigars. No way he gets a felony.
  7. You don't need a JD. Wiki is your friend: "Robbery is the crime of taking or attempting to take something of value by force or threat of force or by putting the victim in fear." He robbed that store. The victim handed him the cigars. Watch the video. He did not take or attempt to take anything by force or with threat of force. He asked the guy for the cigars and the guy handed them over. Through the glass. Only when he was leaving without paying and the shopkeep attempted to stop him did he attempt to put the victim in fear. Even a Public Defender could get the guy off with theft and assault mideamenors. I'm not saying the DA wouldn't start out at robbery, but it would be pled down.
  8. They mentioned on CNN some Meat Market store the owner and family were standing outside with rifles and handguns to protect their own store.
  9. Ok Christo, I suppose the DA could have trumped up a felony robbery charge, but he'd never be convicted of a felony. Not even with a Public Pretender.
  10. Youd think the guy would have been a bit more cooperative with the cop since it was just a misdemeanor charge and all...... You can stop trying to hook me into your fishing trip Greggity, it ain't happening. You're a tool.
  11. Question, is there any legal recourse the shop owner can take over the looting that happened last night? The SWAT just stood across the street, never moved in and made 0 arrests....that's ####ed up on every level. If it was my shop I'd have some serious issues with the police right now.
  12. There was no robbery. It would be a shoplifting charge. Misdemeanor theft.
  13. Well now it looks like the DOJ told Feguson Chief not to release that video. And he did it anyway. What a ####tard.
  14. My wife worked in LP at both Target and BB. They were strictly forbidden to try and apprehend a shoplifter. They were allowed to approach them, and ask them, but not physically apprehend them. This goes back to the 90's. Not sure when you worked in LP, but PitBull is spot on with what he said. I already agreed that Target no longer apprehends shoplifters. They changed their rules sometime in the mid-90's after I left. BB puts their LP at the front desk, they are more of a door greeter than loss prevention. I know there are stores that don't chase or physically apprehend shoplifters any longer. But there are stores that still do. Usually the policy and procedures state they can pursue if the suspect can be apprehended in a quick and safe manner, and within a reasonable distance. If retail stores no longer apprehend shoplifters, then how are people being charged with shoplifting? No physical altercation in this video. Doesn't look like they are using handcuffs either. Canada, and questionable whether those are actually in house LP guys or Undercover Cops. I'm betting on the latter. No need to worry about stupid criminals that have no regards for LP personnel. Oh look, Canada Again! And, I guarantee if that LP person was employed by a large company he isn't anymore. Here is another Cops Who would stab a Loss Prevention Agent? Pretty sure that LP guy doesn't have a job after that one. Nobody said they aren't apprehending. I'm saying you are full of #### in general about the risk of your job, or that you are chasing and scuffling with criminals so many times as to need a career change. It ain't happening. You are apprehending people a lot. People who throw their arms up and quit as soon as you meet them at the front door. You aren't apprehending people who put up any kind of fight, because you would lose your job. Please refer to my first post.
  15. There's quite a stretch from numerous, paranoid about being stabbed/shot and once. I never said LP doesn't apprehend shoplifters, nor did I imply it. My stance is that you're full of #### about being assaulted numerous times to the point of being paranoid of being shot/stabbed, scuffling/chasing shop lifters to the point of being threatened "numerous" times. My stance is you may have encountered it once, done it once, MAYBE twice, but not NUMEROUS. No I'm not sold on the fact that you aren't in fact a mail man, which I would believe you had been threatened more than the LP career, I'm just giving you the benefit of the doubt to continue this argument because I find it humorous just how wrong you are about LP, a subject I just happen to know a lot about.