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  1. I know people who wouldn't sell Dez for that.IMO those people are idiots haha Agreed(well, i dont think they are idots), i would take Green straight up for Dez.I would take all 3 of them over Dez. I assumed that was James Jones, if thats Julio, I agree I would take each one of them over Bryant. That would also make that an even more ridiculous offer.
  2. Reggie Wayne was WR3 last season and is 32. Andre Johnson was WR7 and is 30. Does this offer really belong in this thread?The question was the worst trade you have ever been offered. That trade isn't fair so it could qualify.What would it take along with Reggie Wayne for you to trade Andre Johnson? I would require something significant. AJ is a top 3 dynasty WR, Wayne isn't in the top 15.
  3. I know people who wouldn't sell Dez for that.IMO those people are idiots haha Agreed(well, i dont think they are idots), i would take Green straight up for Dez.
  4. Its not a good offer, but I would do it without CJ in a second.
  5. So, do you think it increased or decreased White's value? My first thought was that it would help because he would see less coverage. Apparently F&L sees it as a big hit to White putting it number 2 on his list of draft losers. From his Rotoworld article, here: http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/38028/59/?pg=12. Roddy White - It's no secret that wide receiver fantasy success directly corresponds to consistently high target numbers, but White is an extreme case. A true volume receiver, White has racked up 18 more targets than any other NFL wideout over the past two seasons. While he earns plenty of credit for an ability to get open against stacked coverage, White has been force-fed the ball with no semblance of a threat on the opposite side. His counting stats have gone up, but only at the expense of his per-play effectiveness. Enter Julio Jones, hand-picked to draw attention -- and valuable targets -- away from Matt Ryan's go-to receiver. White is entering his age-30 season, which means the downslope is coming soon for a player who isn't quite Hall of Fame caliber. Within 2-3 years, I expect Jones to be outproducing White as Ryan's top target. Ultimately, I think the biggest winner will probably be the RB in that offense. I could see the addition of Jones helping White, but as a White owner I'm afraid it will hurt more than help. White is a great WR no doubt, but part of what makes him a top 5 fantasy WR is the amount of targets he gets. When all is said and done though, I dont expect a drastic change either way. A few less targets but a little more room to work.Oh, and I think the biggest winner is easily Matt Ryan....especially with Turner another year older. The Falcons didn't burn all those picks on a WR to continue to be a run first team.
  6. The only problem with trying to acquire Foster is that his owners think he's the 2nd coming of Adrian Peterson... I'm exaggerating a bit, but Jesus, these guys want #1 RB value in return. You have Slaton, and then Houston spent a 2nd round pick on Ben Tate..... I'm not a Tate fan, but most organizations don't draft guys in the 2nd round to sit the bench. I view Foster as RB depth with decent upside to be a #2 Fantasy back, not a #1.Just curious, what type of value have you been seeing? From what I'm seeing, it goes both ways- there is a market for Foster, but no one is willing to give up much (mid 2nd round rookie pick type value is what I've been seeing). Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather take a chance on Foster than a 4th or 5th tier rookie WR. Most likely neither will pan out, but the upside of Foster is worth more than that type of a pick IMO.I agree. I don't want to get into specifics, but I'll use F & L rankings to give you an idea. I started with offering an early to mid 2nd to one guy. He wanted a top 12 RB who is younger than Foster in return. I've made a few other offers where I give Tier 4/5 WR's... added a 3rd round pick to one offer. One owner kind of blasted me for my initial offer. I said ok, please take a look at my roster, and let me know who you're interested in. He continued to ##### about my initial offer. I certainly don't blame the Foster owners for declining my initial offers, but they were reasonable offers IMO. Asking for a younger top 12 RB and/or pulling out the soap-box over a trade offers for a guy like Foster is a bit much IMO. ETA: The WR's I offered are in line to start and are between 23 and 26 years of age according to F & L's information. Thats the thing with guys like Foster. They get talked about here by guys who are looking to make a "bold prediction". Next thing you know, the player becomes overhyped, and his perceived value far outweighs his actual value. Assuming Slatons neck is OK, Foster is the 3rd string RB, no matter how many fluff peices people post in here about him.Looks like that 3rd string RB from Houston is now the #1 overall dynasty pick in a lot of new dynasty start ups.Wow, again? How many things did you skip over that I got right to get to that? Where are your predictions from last season? Dont answer, for my sake anyway, I wont be able to see it.
  7. I agree with most of the things said in here. Goodfellas is better, but Casino is awfully close. I always thought it was possible that if Casino came out first, it would be considered better. Sharon Stone did a terrific job. People are confusing their hatred for the Character as bad acting. The fact that you hated her means she did a great job. Heat and Donnie Brasco were OK movies, but they dont touch either of these. Not sure if True Romance has a lot in common with these movies, while Deniro or Pacino werent in the movie, it is mob related. Its as good as Casino, and maybe even Goodfellas. The Walken/Hopper scene was the best scene in any movie...ever. Agree with whoever said you wont think to put the DVD in, but will watch it every time it comes on TV. Although i do that with alot of movies. I just thought it was because i was lazy, but its almost like winning something when you flick through the channels and find a great movie on. Its always more fun to win something then to just get it. The scene at the end of Casino is one of the hardest to watch. when Nicky has to watch his brother get beaten to death with a bat. I have to turn away when Pesci begs to stop hitting him, he is still breathing. Godfather 1-2(they are just one long movie to me at this point) is still the best movie ever.
  8. This is idiotic. Nothing bad can come of making offers to a guy. Nothing. If he has a player you like, or who you think is gonna break out, it costs you absolutely nothing to send an offer. If your time is actually worth that much more elsewhere for the somewhere between 30 seconds and 2 minutes it takes to make a trade offer, then you shouldn't be playing Fantasy Football in the first place.In a couple of my longer term leagues, I have guys that a couple times a years we will exchange offers for some reason or another with pleasant enough conversation and quite honestly we absolutely never make a trade. We value players/picks so differently that there is never reasonable middle ground. I play nice just in case, but honestly it really is waste of time, not even because they are bad players/guys.I think this is beneficial to trading. I have a probelm trading when me and the other guy value players the same.
  9. This is idiotic. Nothing bad can come of making offers to a guy. Nothing. If he has a player you like, or who you think is gonna break out, it costs you absolutely nothing to send an offer. If your time is actually worth that much more elsewhere for the somewhere between 30 seconds and 2 minutes it takes to make a trade offer, then you shouldn't be playing Fantasy Football in the first place.This makes sense, im officially retiring from fantasy football. Whatever I can do to help!I think never trading with the guy ever again is a bit extreme, but I think I might start to spend less time knocking on his door, then again, if he had someone I really wanted I might be pretty persistent. I might adjust my expectations of making a deal downwards of course. Sometimes, I'll see who has last been active on MFL. The guy who hasn't been on in 12 days, well likely he/she may not be the guy/gal who's breathing football 24/7. Some owners are hard to trade with, I take it almost as a challenge to get a deal done, on the flip side, I don't want to pester people to the point of annoyance. Delicate balance. Once people say no thanks, I'm good, or I'll say we can put the conversation on pause, leave the door open that kind of thing. No use burning bridges, who knows if down the road you might have their handcuff. ... I must admit, the complete non-answer drives me more bananas, then any bad trade offer. Honestly. There my worst trade offer, .... reasonable offer... complete silence in return. I made him two offers in the past that he never responded to. Plus, i didnt say i wouldnt trade with the guy, im just not going to send him offers. Although i would bet we never make a trade. Another thing is the only trade he ever made(That i remember) was with his brother, and his brother dropped out the following year(this past season). This was it, during last season. [*]New Orleans Saints gave up Kolb, Kevin PHI QB;McCoy, LeSean PHI RB;LaFell, Brandon CAR WR;Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR [*]Chicago Bears gave up Orton, Kyle DEN QB;Turner, Michael ATL RB;Clayton, Mark STL WR
  10. This is idiotic. Nothing bad can come of making offers to a guy. Nothing. If he has a player you like, or who you think is gonna break out, it costs you absolutely nothing to send an offer. If your time is actually worth that much more elsewhere for the somewhere between 30 seconds and 2 minutes it takes to make a trade offer, then you shouldn't be playing Fantasy Football in the first place.This makes sense, im officially retiring from fantasy football.
  11. I like your first offer, at least if it was offered to me, I'd have to weigh the pros and cons of it. I guess that's what I don't get out of any of these trade offers... if I put the shoe on the other foot, is there a chance in heck, I would accept it? If the answer is yes, then I've made a reasonable offer with a chance of success. I wonder if the ridiculous counter-offer, is a strong way of saying "NO" or is a negotiating stance, putting the burden of coming up with the reasonable offer on you. (ie he's hoping to find a mid way point between your 1st offer and his counter-offer.) All I know is typically I start out on a pretty fair footing, some people might just like to reject right away, like passing on the 1st pitch in baseball. It's good, and part of the process, but I think the crazy offer just wastes everyone's time. On the other hand, seeing who they reject or counter with, can tell you who they want to buy or who they want to sell, so it's still valuable information. I think you and i have a very similat approach when it comes to trading. I wont send an offer that i wouldnt at least consider if i were on the other end. I dont think this guy was countering as a negotiation tactic. After i sent him the first offer, he rejected and replied "why would i trade two tier one players for one tier one player"? I responded with "Gates is probably more of as tier one player than Romo". That seemed to be the end of that, until a few days later he emailed me telling me he would trade Romo, just not for the offer i sent. I asked him what did he have in mind, and a couple days later i got that offer. I just think some people dont trade unless they are clearly getting the better end. I have never traded with him before, and i will never send him an offer again. Its just not worth trying to trade with people like that.
  12. I just received my worst one of 2011. Zealots I offered a guy in my league Andre Johnson, Joe Flacco, Antonio Gates for Hakeem Nicks, Tony Romo, Carlos Dunlap. He has Vick, my best QB is Big Ben. Along with Gates i have Finley, and i dont remember who his TE is, but he isnt very good. Maybe this offer is weighted towrds my side, but its close. He comes back with Romo, 2012 2nd, 3rd for Andre Johnson, Mathew Stafford, 2012 1st. Im not the crazy one here...or am i?
  13. Obviously, not an offer you would be too inclined to accept. However, given team needs and value of waivers its not a horribly unfair offer.Two potential backup RBs (and in time shares in best case scenario) and a better shot at landing a waiver wire player in exchange for a top 5 WR isn't a bad offer? I disagree.Might not have been terrible if it was offered before the NFL draft, but the Patriots and Redskins didnt draft 2 RB's each because they were happy with their current starters. This offer is horrible unless you can get top 20 RB's or WR's with bid bucks.
  14. Nice job with the Qb rankings. Romo and Fitzpatrick are low and Vick, Freeman are too high, but thats all i really see.
  15. The Falcons had maybe the worst #2 WR(s) in the league. Not only did they get an upgrade at the postition, its a huge upgrade. The biggest factor is what a WR like that does for the rest of the offense, especially Roddy White.