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  1. I don't think ps represents all liberals. I don't think there's ever a point that you tax the last dollar 100 percent. I always want the most productive people to have rewards they can strive for. But the current system is not working. The top people are getting paid more, rewarding each other more, they can invest a greater percentage of their earnings, they gobble up a lot of the highest rates of return, and they pay a lower tax rate on their capital gains than the little guy pays in income tax so the supposedly progressive tax isn't actually progressive at all. When a downturn happens, they get to write off losses but are still liquid enough to take maximum advantage when things bounce back, while the rest of us lose our limited savings. When the market bounces back, wealth gets redistributed from the middle class to the rich while the middle class says oh thank goodness the stock market is up I made back my losses. The rules are written by the rich, for the rich, and if the rules don't favor the rich today they can wait until the next election cycle and buy politicians who will write more favorable rules. Any real reform will have to be structural. And that's what's supposedly great about the "fair" tax. But even that doesn't solve things - the dollars you already earned and paid taxes on get double taxed once it goes into effect. The dollar gets devalued overnight because it costs you $130 to buy $100 worth of stuff, but in the short term it would be even worse because people who own dollars will be looking to dump then in the exchange markets as soon as the government seriously considers it because their value will go down. World markets would be in absolute turmoil if that ever went into effect. It's not a simple thing to fix, and the people who can fix it have too much power to let it happen.
  2. I think the purpose of government is to provide people freedom and the best possible opportunity to pursue it. The government should provide protections through the law through regulations and through civil and criminal law, should ensure that we have a good infrastructure but not prevent private interests from improving on it. The government exists for the people, not the other way around - the government has no right to your labor. The government should provide citizens with a minimum standard of living that continues to improve over time, but should be structured in such a way that people are rewarded for work. The government should support labor because organizations have a natural advantage over individuals. The government should not support generational wealth or overly reward the excessive collection of individual wealth. Any government that interacts with other governments should do so in a way that promotes peace and increases prosperity for all parties unless there is a zero sum game and/or fixed resources. The government should also maintain a defense that protects that peace. The government should use the best information possible to make decisions, and should share that information freely with its citizens. The government should invest in science and education where the free market does not. In general, the government should defer all other decisions to the free market, and intervene minimally until other options are exhausted.
  3. I'd like to explore this more. This seems very different from what I expected from you. Can you give some examples?
  4. I posted the preamble because it is a good starting point, but I am looking for general principles of how you personally perceive the role/purpose of government and how it shapes your opinions on specific political topics. For example, when a liberal says we should have single payer healthcare and a conservative says no, government is too big already, there's no reconciling those views. But if a liberal says "the purpose of government is to promote the general welfare, and I believe that includes healthcare", and a conservative said "the individual mandate is not exactly a Blessing of Liberty", we have a starting point for a productive conversation.
  5. As an example - health care was mentioned frequently when we had the "what do you actually want" threads. Is the purpose of government to provide healthcare? To support the free markets indiscriminately whether they provide healthcare or not? Something else?
  6. As an example - health care was mentioned frequently when we had the "what do you actually want" threads. Is the purpose of government to provide healthcare? To support the free markets indiscriminately whether they provide healthcare or not? Something else?
  7. From the preamble to the constitution "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity" What does this mean to you? How does this shape your view of specific policies? As usual, please don't use this thread to argue against how somebody else sees things. This is a thread for the conservative viewpoint. There is a separate thread for the liberals.
  8. From the preamble to the constitution "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity" What does this mean to you? How does this shape your view of specific policies? As usual, please don't use this thread to argue against how somebody else sees things. This is a thread for the liberal/ progressive viewpoint. There is a separate thread for the conservatives.
  9. I know it's hard for people to hear positive things said about Trump, but I've asked repeatedly to keep this thread on topic and a few of you seem to just want to fight. Stop. This is not a thread to debate with Trump supporters. This is a thread where Trump supporters can speak their mind. Many of them have. Let them.
  10. I'll ask again. This is not the thread to argue against Trump supporters.
  11. Please don't do this here
  12. I've seen a lot of people defending Trump and his policies. I understand that he's undone a lot of what Obama did and that he's enacted some Republican measures, plus the supreme court. So I get that there's a certain satisfaction with his job so far because he's doing things you wanted him to do. My questions for people who currently support him 1) do you feel like his accomplishments and future potential outweigh the alleged corruption, or do you feel like there really is no corruption? 2) do you feel like he's permanently damaged the country's relationships with allies like NATO? Or improved them? 3) is there anything he could do that would be too much? as examples - if we withdrew from NATO? - if he created tariffs that enriched himself and his family? - if stone cold evidence came out of him colluding with Russia on the election? -if Putin admitted it? 4) There have been some other cases where Trump allegedly did things that republicans were livid with the Clintons for doing - like hosting his emails on a private server, or "pay to play" politics. Do you believe Trump has done similar things? If so, does it bother you? Please note that this thread is intended for Trump supporters only. I appreciate that there are a lot of people here who don't like Trump, but I'd ask that you hold your comments for other threads.
  13. Bell in his prime > roethlisberger at this stage. Ben is maybe the fifth best quarterback of his generation. Bell has guys who have played on his level at times, but not year after year like he does.
  14. Interesting. I think I'm just higher on him than consensus. Thanks for the reality check.