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  1. C'mon man, that 2006 team was awesome and it was only Ben's motorcycle accident and preseason emergency appendectomy that led to that record in Cowher's last season. The 2004 team went 15-1 and the 2005 team won the Super Bowl. Ben had an awful 2006 as he battled through it all and lost all that weight, but the finish to the season was more indicative of the talent level that Tomlin took over than the overall record. There's a baseline of success that he was going to have based on the talent he had and the HOF QB he inherited, but the culture he created is at least part of why the teams underachieved. The thing about Tomlin is that at no point has he ever been the kind of coach who'll make the team better than the talent level, but he's been blessed with plenty of talent to stay afloat. Maybe few are, but his shortcomings that have held the team back are as relevant as any success he's had.
  2. I think Tomlin is a ridiculously overrated coach. And I don't think this was an especially talented team to start with even before Ben's injury, and it's about to be the 5th missed playoffs in the past 11 seasons. The drama that's overwhelmed the team over the past few years was just as much of a result of the atmosphere he's created than anything else... a lack of discipline and accountability. I'm not saying he's terrible and I'm not saying the Steelers would automatically go out and get someone better. Personally, I wish they'd put him on notice. But he IS terrible at in-game management and his teams show up flat way too often in games that they shouldn't. If the Steelers had failed to make the playoffs this year, Tomlin would've been on the hot seat. Ben's injury will (unfortunately in my opinion) give him a pass for this season. I think having the talent they have on the offensive side of the ball especially has kind of hid his shortcomings as a coach, and once that talent thins out a bit, it's going to make it really clear. Having Ben at QB set him up for the level of success he's had, but I don't see him sustaining it once he doesn't have a HOF QB under center.
  3. I actually wanted to see the Saints win that game because a good friend of mine works in their front office. The stuff about that call is getting way overblown at this point. As bad as that non-call was, there were plenty of missed calls on both sides during that game. The Saints had a 13-0 lead at home in a championship game and lost. They didn't lose because of that play, and had a chance after that play to stop the Rams from tying the game and a chance to win the game in overtime.
  4. 🙂Oops, yeah, my mistake... that was Cowher's team that won the SB as a Wild Card. Brain fart. That sounds right, but I can't verify without looking it up.
  5. Maybe I'm wrong about him and he's the glue that's kept everything together. I just don't see it. I'd actually like to see the pre-season expectations for the Steelers W/L record and then how the team did for the past decade. I don't know where to find that info though. I never said that having a HOF QB is a guarantee of anything, especially winning Super Bowls. While having Ben doesn't mean they should have automatically won a bunch of Super Bowls, that and the rest of the talent on the team and the division they've played in HAS almost guaranteed enough wins every year that the expectation was at least 8 wins, if not more. Even if Ben hasn't been on the truly elite level, he's been a safety net big enough that Tomin has never had to deal with the biggest problem a coach can face - poor QB play. Even at his worst and now in his late 30's, he's still one of the better ones out there and has been surrounded by tons of talent at the skill positions and on the line. I don't think Tomlin is a terrible coach, but I think his reputation is far bigger than his talent. I think he's a very, very average coach with a few glaring weaknesses on gamedays that cost the Steelers every season, and a talented team can win enough during the regular season with a coach like that. But, he won a Super Bowl with a wild card team that got hot in the playoffs shortly after taking over a great team with a great defense, and despite all the regular season wins, they've been to one AFCC in the past 8 years. At some point, the postseason results start mattering too, not just a Super Bowl from a decade ago. And please, no more posting about how he took over an 8-8 team... everyone knows why that team was 8-8 that year after winning the Super Bowl the year before. As I've said before, while it's not a guarantee that someone else would do or would have done better, I don't think he's a coach who'd be very difficult to replace.
  6. I gave it 70% and it might even be higher. Aside from the divisional advantage they've enjoyed and all that stuff, I think they win more because of the culture that he's created, the level of accountability with the players, and the system in place where everyone can be replaced and is utilized the way they should more than any one player, Brady included. I think Brady will go down as the greatest QB of all time, but I don't think he's anywhere near the most talented and I don't think he "made" Belichek. People talk about Brady like he's always been a superstar, but the Patriots won 3 of their Super Bowls before 2007, and before 2007 Brady had only one 4,000 yard passing season and was generally in the 24 to 28 TD pass range. A lot of people considered him a "game manager" before his 50 TDs season. He's smart, accurate, and has all the intangibles, but there are plenty of more purely talented QBs who had all those intangibles and better physical abilities but never won because of a lack of leadership in their organizations. To me, Belichek has been the difference in Brady's career and the Patriots' organization.
  7. Posts like this drive me crazy. How many of those coaches spent their entire coaching careers with a HOF QB leading their team? If you're the head coach of a team that won the Super Bowl two years before you got there (they were 8-8 the year before only because that was the year Ben had his motorcycle accident among other things), and you spend your entire career coaching a team with high end talent including a HOF QB in a division that's basically two teams deep at most almost every year, you SHOULD have a great winning percentage and that kind of track record. The biggest reason coaches fail is the absence of a reliable QB, and he's never had to worry about that, much less develop one. People can justify him however they want. The Steelers have been to one AFCC since 2010 despite the consistent playoff appearances and regular season wins. The team has had plenty of issues and plenty of talent, and it can't be overstated the level of impact losing Shazier has had on the defense recently, but struggling to take advantage of their talent hasn't just been a recent thing. I think Tomlin is the coaching equivalent to a RB who'll get everything that's blocked for him, but can't make extra yards on his own. With talent, he can lead a team to some success unless his lack of coaching ability gets in the way, which it does more often than I wish. He's just not the type of coach who's going to take inferior talent and make it better, and the culture he's allowed to develop doesn't make it any easier. Is that better than plenty of coaches out there? Sure, but that speaks more to the other coaches than it does Tomlin.
  8. That was me somewhere back a few pages.. The stat was that since 2007, road favorites of 10+ points are a combined 60-11 straight up. Mike Tomlin has coached 4 of the 11 losses. That's astounding and it speaks to how well he's historically prepared his team as big road favorites.
  9. Among the 20 or so of my college friends I regularly keep in touch with, all of whom are diehard Steelers fans who I've known for about 25 years now, it's about 50/50 regarding who wants Tomlin to stay vs who wants him to go. I'm on the fence. I don't think he'd be difficult to replace, but with Ben nearing the end and the window likely closing soon, I don't know that now would be the best time to make a change like that and we don't have an assistant coach ready to step in. I don't think Tomlin is a terrible coach, I just think he's terrible at in-game management and clock management, and for a guy who supposedly is such a great motivator it baffles me why the team so often shows up flat and loses teams they should win. I don't think his W-L record is truly indicative of his talent as a head coach. To me, he's like a RB who can get what's blocked for him but can't make his own yards. I think Tomlin can succeed with good players (which he's always had, especially on offense), but I don't think he's a good enough coach to take players and make them exceed expectations because of his own limitations. However, I think that any average NFL head coach could've had the same level of success with the Steelers over the past decade or so, maybe a tiny bit more or a tiny bit less.
  10. It's the only one they've been to since 2010 while having a HOF QB and a relatively weak division during that period. Yes, it is. I don't dispute what his reputation is, and I don't think the Steelers will fire him even as the same problems with his teams present themselves year after year after year. But, as I've said before, I don't think he's nearly as irreplaceable as some people want to believe he is.
  11. Ben thought there was a free play because the Bengals were offsides on the play, so he forced it downfield. Flag wasn't thrown. That play aside, the team looks flat in a must-win home game against a divisional opponent missing it's starting QB, RB, TE, and both WR's.
  12. The Steelers have been to one conference championship game since 2010. Getting to the playoffs more often than not sounds great, but when you've had a Hall of Fame QB for your entire coaching tenure and a relatively weak division for most of the time, that's not really a noteworthy accomplishment. Smart, maybe. But not when it comes to in-game management, and that's kind of important when his head-scratching decisions at big moments have led directly to losses and his teams continually lose games they shouldn't lose year after year. Giving a great interview is meaningless. He speaks well but says nothing better than most. I agree that being a player's coach has led to the team becoming increasingly undisciplined for a while now. Being a "leader" on the competition committee also means nothing when it comes to reasons he should coach the Steelers. It's great that he's won a Super Bowl, primarily with a defense that was left from the team that won it three years earlier. Even that team was a Wild Card team that got red hot at the right time. He took over a team that was 8-8 the year before because of Ben's motorcycle accident and a few other things, but they had gone a combined 26-6 the two years before that. The Steelers won't fire him. Personally, I don't think he'd be as hard to replace as some people would want to believe. There's absolutely nothing special about him as a coach.
  13. If they miss, they miss. I really don't see a win coming in New Orleans and I didn't have high hopes for the team this heading into the year. When in three consecutive weeks you lose to the Broncos, you blow a 23-7 lead at home to the Chargers, and you lose to the Raiders, you simply don't deserve breaks at the end of the year to get into the playoffs. At 7-2-1, this team was in prime position to not only easily make the playoffs, but contend for a bye.