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  1. I saw one article called him the Puerto Rican Mike Tyson - I'm pretty interested to see this kid go up against a decent test tonight.
  2. Damn, hate to see the Zombie go out like that. Might be the end of his window here, he looked a step slow all night and took a lot of punishment to add to the many miles already on his odometer. Really nice performance by Ortega, aggressive and technical. Crute also looked pretty good throwing those bombs, will be interesting to see how he develops - I'd like to see him matched up against another human tank at 205 in William Knight and see who comes out on top of that one. Also, KZ's translator not wasting words tonight: - KZ goes back to corner after fourth round, trainer sits down in front of him and says something. - Translator: "This is the last round." -Trainer proceeds to spend entire remainder of time between rounds animatedly talking, pointing and gesticulating. Translator: (long silence) "Need more boxing."
  3. these people are absolutely nuts, just like all the other millions of conspiracy theorists out there on the internet pushing their stupid beliefs. It's amazing to me how often some otherwise normal-seeming person these days will just casually drop into conversation how Tom Hanks is a child rapist, Bill Gates is trying to control us all through vaccines, the Trump administration is actively working to suppress black voters, or Sandy Hook was an inside job. It's crazy how many people seriously buy into stuff like this.
  4. great point Tim - not only do all sides engage in it, the ultra-emotional and always-outraged hive mind echo chamber of social media has and continues to exacerbate that behavior to new lows all the time, and the media complicates that further by continually using quotes from Twitter and Facebook like they're legitimate sources of information. Our president and his Twitter rants, snarky nicknames and absolute disinterest in healing divides or conciliatory, statesman-like language is basically a highly visible embodiment of how the majority of online political discourse happens these days on both the right and left. I've said this before, but ten years ago we all understood that people lie, misrepresent themselves and act completely differently online than they do in real life, and we mostly ignored internet drama. Now today with the all-pervasive ubiquity of social media and a decade's worth of humans conditioning themselves to deliver major portions of their interactions with others online, people mainly treat the internet and its attendant drama like it's real life, despite the fact that nothing has changed (if anything it's gotten worse) as far as the way everyone behaves there. so as a result, debate and discussion - especially political debate - continue to slide further into incivility and worthlessness due to the reductionary, abusive and illogical nature of online interaction becoming more and more the norm for society. I think we have to start realizing - again - that social media discussion does not reflect real life and that it's worthless as a barometer of actual public opinion or meaningful, substantial discourse. People are almost always less civil and empathetic and more entrenched into positions through the internet, they say things online all the time that they don't really mean or haven't actually thought about, their interactions are 90% governed by kneejerk emotional responses or preconceived conspiracy theories, and half the time you're talking to a Russian bot or a Chinese political operative or a seventeen year old kid catfishing through multiple online personalities anyway. TLDR: the sooner we return to ignoring internet drama and social media opinions, the better off we'll be as a nation and as human beings in general.
  5. imo a lot of people need to go sit in a darkened room somewhere with soft music playing and breathe into a paper bag until this election is over.
  6. if this is true then it's an absolutely despicable thing for the White House to do. Trump's sensitivity to criticism and resultant pettiness is ridiculously unbecoming for the office he holds.
  7. interesting - I would categorize myself as a moderate liberal and have never thought of myself as a conservative. Its true that I've become more conservative on some things as I've gotten older, and I absolutely hate the woke authoritarianism that's infiltrated the Democratic party over the last ten years or so. But on the majority of issues like abortion, religion in school/politics, drug policy, etc I believe I'm still pretty solidly on the liberal side. I respect that you've made an honest effort to answer Joe's question - and like rockaction (I think) said, I'm definitely a man without a party right now - but I think trying to label people like this based on your personal perceptions is going to be only as accurate as your own infallibility.
  8. no worries - we agree on most everything. I thought the video was released Sunday evening with the protests going pretty far into Monday morning, but if I have the timeline messed up then mea culpa. and I agree that something like a single dumpster fire is probably relatively minor (unless it was right next to a building or something) and wouldn't warrant shutting everything down. I think once people start breaking windows, looting, or burning cars and buildings that has to have a serious response, though, or not only do the jerks doing that stuff get emboldened to do more destructive acts, the citizens and business owners start getting antsy and scared and bringing guns to try to protect their property.
  9. appreciate the info, g - the second article is informative, and it's tragic that Munoz lost his life. But I still think the immediate angry protests and sometimes violent reaction to this incident - most of which happened after the video was released showing Munoz charging the officer with a knife - demonstrated a serious lack of critical thinking by the people involved and did nothing positive for anyone at all. When people were protesting over the cops killing George Floyd, I was 100% behind it, but when people are taking to the streets in anger and causing riots anytime someone gets shot by the police - even if clear evidence shows that person was actively trying to kill the officer who shot them - then to me things are going off the rails in the wrong direction. I also realize I didn't word my original post very well, either, and that's my bad. I agree with you that only focusing on violence at protests and ignoring the root cause is a terrible strategy. And I agree that releasing the video right away was a great decision that eventually helped to defuse the situation. I feel like police should be required by law to wear cameras everywhere when on duty and that footage should be available to the media and public as soon as possible, anytime they request it. I know the cops usually want to keep it in-house during an investigation, but I think they ought to aim for complete transparency as much as possible and at least release an edited video like they did in this case. but I also think that once any protest, no matter how justified it might be, crosses the line from peaceful to people burning or looting or destroying property, then it's time for the authorities to move in, disperse the crowd as peacefully as possible and temporarily end the demonstration. It seems like the vast majority of the violence and destruction that's been going on the last few months happens at night where it's harder to identify specific individuals in large groups, so shutting things down for the night and letting the protesters cool off and return the next day seems to be the best, safest and most fair course of action for everyone. and as long things stay peaceful and don't get crazy and violent, then I say go for it and protest all day and night, too. I just don't have any sympathy for angry mobs of people who decide to burn and destroy stuff, and I think there needs to be a stronger response to those actions both for immediate control and future deterrence. To me that kind of behavior does nothing to advance a cause, it only serves to entrench and strengthen opposition.
  10. good question, and I don't really know which other countries have similar histories to us in terms of a huge developed country trying to assimilate a large former slave population over a couple of centuries. The only other one I'm aware of that's probably kind of similar is Brazil, but their population is way more economically stratified than ours.
  11. IK, you're a genius and the solution of adding more politics in sporting events is a no brainer - when I watch a basketball game or kick back on Sunday with pro football on the tube, the one thing that's always on my mind there is "this would be so much more enjoyable and edifying if there were more angry people shouting invective and talking points at me the whole time". Plus as we've all seen firsthand, the NBA painting Black Lives Matter all over their courts has made enormous real positive change happen throughout the country rather than being in any way just a desperate ploy to coax their millionaire employees into returning to work. but in non-sports discussion, I totally agree the failed war on drugs has been disastrous for poor and black communities and families (and really for everyone except the American criminal justice system). I think the sooner we end that billion dollar money pit the better - legalize pot and tax the hell out of it and decriminalize possession of small amounts of all other drugs. Stop putting people who just want to get high and aren't hurting anybody but themselves in jail - take their drugs, throw em away and give the person a fine (and invest in more drug education and counseling programs). It'd be bad for a lot of police departments and folks employed in the prison industry, unfortunately, but it needs to happen.
  12. good stuff man, and I appreciate the reasonable back and forth too - I agree we probably are on the same page for the vast majority of it, and I think 90% of the people in this country would be able to find similar common ground with each other if we'd just stop yelling at and dehumanizing anyone with a different opinion. the only thing I'd add to what you said that I think is important is that yes, I agree the right has done crazy stuff too and has been oppressive in some similar ways in the past, and some of this is definitely cyclical. And like I said, if they had the ability to cancel right now, we'd be seeing conservatives acting just as angrily and despicably as the people on the left who are perpetrating this stuff. (edit: also I'm not trying to pick on the left and say they're somehow historically worse than the right - both sides are full of morons and decent people. But there is no doubt that this current phenomenon of cancelling people is almost wholly driven by people who consider themselves members of the American left, that's just an unfortunate fact.) the difference in cancel culture and why it's more insidious to me than anything similar I've seen in my lifetime, and why I think we should take a stand on it and stop enabling it before it gets even bigger is twofold: 1) those other earlier "cancel" and political actions by the right (and to a small extent the left too) were almost exclusively aimed at people in the public eye. Those types of people - by virtue of being celebrities and public figures - put themselves in line for some of that angry response. Whether right or wrong, it's at least an expected part of the deal. Cancel culture not only goes after public figures, but it also goes after a great number of private citizens, and I think that's a very scary and dangerous new aspect of this stuff. 2) you might have faced pushback and angry responses on message boards or from people at the barbershop for your comments on the Iraq war. But you didn't get your home address plastered on the internet for thousands of faceless wackos and you didn't get your job and career taken from you. I don't care about people being mean to each other online or in person over political opinions - that comes with the territory of engaging in a hot button issue like politics with people. But when people you don't even know start creating real world problems for you - serious ones like threats to your family or loss of a job - over differences of opinion or what they perceive as some kind of potentially racist/sexist act (that's not criminal in the least) then I have a major problem with that and think things have gone too far. and like I said, this stuff is just completely against classic liberal principles like tolerance, freedom of expression, healthy debate and the marketplace of ideas that I personally am a strong believer in their value and worth. second edit: What I don't want is for cancel culture to become an accepted fact of life, because if that happens then eventually the right will be doing it too and it's going to get bigger and way worse for all of us. I hope that we can speak out against it and stamp it out to make it unacceptable before it gets to that point. it's all good though man, I'm gonna enjoy the rest of my Friday and I hope you have a great weekend yourself
  13. not trying to be a jerk, but this seems like kind of a willfully obtuse interpretation of what he was trying to say.
  14. yeah, that's a noble idea, and I don't blame anybody that wants to do that.