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  1. I had respected and appreciated Maddow, left as she is, until that stunt. She has all but been dead to me since. You either come correct and straight or you don't. Confidence, once lost, is thrice fold harder to regain. In her case, it was lost, probably forever. Stoop once to be Hannity and forever be remembered, as such. Thanks Rachel - we could have looked to you, as a nation, as an alternative. You choose to become another option - of the same.
  2. I usually dvr morning joe and chris mathews. Get the news in the morning and then the end of day. Rarely watch Maddow unless it's a particularly juicy news day.
  3. A little something also - and maybe Maddow references this I dunno... Trump had that bizarre statement about how (Oh!) The Young & The Beautiful had been slayed by the terrible Mueller monster just as they were embarking on a noble career in Washington DC. And it occurred to me that hey, maybe he's thinking of pardoning Papadopoulas, or Van Der Zwaan, or Hope Hicks, who knows, but nonetheless Bob can still file his Bill of Information for each. There's going to be a doozy this month with Papadopoulas I suspect.
  4. Maddow has a very interesting segment last night. A few days after Trumps attorneys delivered the letter to Mueller (and was leaked by Trump over the weekend) that discussed his stance on unlimited pardon power Murller then dropped the indictment of 13 Russians and 3 Russian companies out of nowhere a few days later. The timing seemed weird and out of nowhere at the time but her thought was many from Trumps orbit would be added to the indictment as part of a conspiracy with those Russians and the only way to pardon anyone involved with the crime would also need to be pardon EVERYONE involved in that conspiracy including the 13 Russians.
  5. Okay, first of all he wrote book released a couple days ago talking about his tenure including the opening of the investigation and why. He saw all the disruptions and interference and concluded that there was more than enough to swing the election. In being interviewed by Maddow, she quoted those portions of the book and asked, "So interference cost 80,000 votes" or something like that, the threshold number for the election to have swung. Next day newspapers run a story saying Clapper claimed 80,000 votes were changes. Well technically yes, but if you,look at everything and the context, it makes sense and was not an inappropriate guess by the author, nor was it really what he said.
  6. Rove explained what you were talking about. Now I understand. I have no opinion on that. If Clapper lies before Congress he ought to be indicted, and punished. The fact that nothing has happened to him is suggestive to me that he in fact did not lie, but I don’t know for sure. Nor is it relevant to what he said on Maddow. Like several other members of the intelligent community, Clapper has made arguments critical of Trump. Either those arguments resonate with you or they don’t. I happen to find them compelling.
  7. Clapper on Maddow was interesting. If you haven’t been brainwashed, you see the valor of career military and intelligence professionals. And to see the thought process of one of these professionals as American values (real ones, not the racist, xenophobic substitutes) are assaulted is heartbreaking and enlightening.
  8. Avenatti killing it on Maddow. Somebody get this guy a show.
  9. I don't know if this was posted in here but it could end up being a huge story...Maddow did a great story on it the other night.. cliff notes...Ukraine was working with Mueller and had 4 open investigations on Mueller, Manafort's partner is a Russian spy and was in Ukraine and was likely back channel to Russia via Manafort, Ukraine wants missiles, Ukraine doesn't want to upset US so they close Manafort investigations and send Russian spy to Russia and cutoff Mueller communication, Ukraine gets their missiles. Coincidence?
  10. exactly...and Hannity has said nothing about "legal advice" he got. Maddow read the court transcripts about how it all went down yesterday and it was very clear that they were doing their best to conceal Hannity's name and Hannity requested to have his name remain concealed. Why? If it's a completely normal attorney client relationship why should it be kept hidden? Makes no sense.
  11. why not a Fox spin on Anderson Cooper and Maddow colluding with HRC & Obama?????
  12. Of course, first Maddow would have had to spend a month or two on air defending the attorney's reputation.
  13. I k ow this can be said about so many issues with Trump. But...Imagine Obama’s lawyer being raided in a similar situation and his three clients were Obama, Soros, and Maddow. The right, Trump, and Hannity would lose their collective ####.
  14. Yep. Was looking forward to Maddow talking about the dossier
  15. Maddow or O’Donnell one last night said his main residence is getting remodeled right now.
  16. I was literally laughing out loud last night during Maddow’s segment last night on the President and his legal team. Apparently, Trump, the master negotiator, hired DiGenova WITHOUT EVER MEETING HIM. So he’s so tone deaf or just doesn’t care about his relationship with Dowd that I’m sure he gave no heads up that Trump was hiring another lawyer do Dowd smartly says screw this I’m out of here. So Dowd walks out the door leaving Trump with DiGenova. Then he comes to the WH and apparently Trump thought DiGenova looked discheveled and didn’t hit it off so he doesn’t hire him. Now he’s blown up his legal team and can’t get anyone to fill that spot. Again, he hired a guy based solely on his TV appearances. Now He’s asked at least half a dozen top firms and no one wants any part of him. So here we have a President who involved in the biggest potential scandal in the history of our country and he can’t even find a lawyer who will represent him. I just couldn’t help laughing at how unbelievably inept this guy is and yet a significant percentage of the country someone’s thinks he’s great and has some kind of plan. I manage my dynasty fantasy football team a hundred times better than Trump handles his own real life legal team. Just amazing. Hes got more more and better lawyers for his Stormy legal team than he does his Russia legal team.
  17. As the Russia story gains traction, Hannity loses viewers while Maddow gains them.
  18. MSNBC and CNN colluded with Russia? I was wondering how that could have happened given that Maddow was the first major cable host covering the Russia/Trump campaign connection/collusion story and MSNBC has not been particularly Russia friendly. After reading it, it turns out, the article claims that MSNBC and CNN were unwitting participants in colluding with Russia and Vladimir Putin, by covering the pro-Trump, anti-Hillary rally that the Russians organized. The claim is that the networks gave the rally 4-5 hours of coverage (I doubt that number) and accomplished Russia's goal to sow discord in the American society. Um, I don't think it is possible from a legal standpoint to unknowingly and unwittingly enter into collusion with another party. If the claim is the networks got played by the Russians, OK, but that isn't collusion.
  19. Maybe I'm just becoming jaded, but the more analyses I read of the Russia investigation as it goes on, the more seemingly wishful thinking gets interjected regarding people's motivations, who are associated with Trump, that somehow they're going to do the right thing under pressure. One thing has been constant under Trump is that folks associated with him in any way will consistently do the wrong thing. They will protect Trump, even if it requires them to take heat. They'll cover up for him (see all the latest folks covering up for his ####hole comments) at their own expense. They'll engage in obstruction of justice from within congress with impunity. They'll incorrectly report interactions with Russians repeatedly, with impunity. I'd love to see a list of folks who previously were involved with Trump who have publicly turned and done the right thing? The best we have been able to hope for is that they just shut up. Where is Chris Christie? Rudy Guiliani? Those are conspicuous silent folks. Mooch still has Trump's back. Bannon was set to apologize to Trump, and has gone on to call him a great man and carry more water for him. Where's Preibus? What about any of the folks in congress who have at one point or another stood up to Trump, but now carry water for him? There are simply no good players in this saga at this time. Perhaps some of them are cooperating behind the scenes, without us knowing. But what has become incredibly clear is that anyone, in any way involved with Trump right now is in deep enabling him and his team to continue to corrupt our country, squander our influence, piss off our allies, and obstruct justice internally with impunity. So for all the folks analyzing the situation, from the early Maddow conjecture about Preet going to go public with what he knew after being fired, to Seth Abramsom's guesses about how folks will be flipped and compelled to help Mueller...I just don't see it absent them being backed into a corner and given absolutely no way out. There seem to be no good actors in this saga. Jeff Flake seems to be one of the few who can express more than a disappointment with phrasing that we're used to seeing from folks like Ryan and other congressional folks. Trump doesn't seem to have had any significant cognitive decline from my perspective...he's the same vapid, short fused, ignoramus he's always been, yet folks want to believe he's exhibiting a decline. Things are bad here for two main reasons: Trump is simply a terrible person and president, and he's surrounded on almost all sides by people who enable him for a variety of likely self-serving reasons. Neither of those things are going to change...barring specific rock-solid charges from the Mueller investigation, which I'm growing increasingly pessimistic that we'll see. The moment we start seeing indictments for important figures, i'll change my tune. My hope is that Mueller has been keeping things close to his chest, but to be honest, my hopes are founded as much in biased thinking toward an outcome I'd love to see happen as many others who assume Mueller is working with Trump to unearth deep state corruption. It's pretty pessimistic when day after day, Trump takes our country to new lows, and there is always a wiling cadre of folks beside him to carry his water or defend the indefensible, all the while Mueller is silently plodding away in what we hope is something that can bring Trump down but to be honest...if it's sufficiently prolonged, it may not matter. Trump is doing such damage to our country that no indictments will be able to overturn. What's worse is that he's being aided and abetted by many in congress, and many in the american public are cheering them on. These are dark moments for our country, and make me extremely pessimistic. And all the while the stock market is going's like witnessing a murder inside a carnival where everyone seems to be cheering and having fun. It's somewhat maddening.
  20. new statement from Fusion GPS...
  21. He linked Rachel Maddow and Evan McMuffin the other day. ETA: I do appreciate that he provides links to back up his thoughts, even if the links and sources are sometimes misguided/propaganda. I also appreciate that Maurile has thicker skin than most in this forum and doesn't report/ban people under the guise of "abusive language" just because they disagree with him. Maurile and Dodds have done a good job of making the political forum a better place.
  22. Let's be real here: The end goal of the left is Trump. Not Manafort. Not Flynn. It always has been. That's all the left has been calling for since Day 1. THEY made it about Trump. We have DNC propaganda networks (MSNBC) dedicating entire shows (Maddow) to the Russian hysteria. SOMETHING would have leaked by now if it were Trump. Instead, every day we have a new GOT 'EEM!, only to be revised and backtracked on the next day to "Well, not really". Of course, we all realize the narrative is changing now that it looks like this is a wild goose chase and witch hunt. Gotta' save face, I guess, and make it sound like catching anyone is the justice the left was always looking for. But it's not. Anything less than Trump is a catastrophic failure.