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ONNTTEERRRIIIOOOOOOO! (1 Viewer)
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Neon Deion
Footballguy
And some people were dropping SOD this week to pick up Tatum Bell. :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
packersfan
Footballguy
According to CBS, his hearing could get pushed back until October. A conspiracy buff would wonder why his hearing is being pushed back and why his suspension will likely occur when Bennett returns as opposed to the start of the season as it was first expected to happen.
LivingTheDream
Footballguy
Onto is better
packersfan
Footballguy
That's the worst-case scenario, but there's nothing to indicate Bennett will lose any carries when he returns. The Vikings' plan all along was to give Bennett the majority of the carries. They planned this knowing full well how talented Smith was, so even if Onterrio rips off a bunch of big games, it's wishful thinking by the pro-Smith crowd (and for the record, I'm a Smith owner too and I don't have Bennett) to think Tice will go back on his original plan. And, of course, Smith was rather impressive last season when he filled in, but the second Bennett returned he got his starting job back. There's nothing to indicate that won't happen again this season.
Neon Deion
Footballguy
He showed great patience and vision today and used his blockers well.....something Bennett NEVER does. If I were SOD I'd send a tape of the TD reception to Bennett, so that he can get an idea of where the endzone is located. 
Seattle Hokie
Footballguy
Practice SAT question....George Jefferson is to William Green as Switz is to _________________
Da Masses
Footballguy
He has a point.Either a) The NFL is waiting for Minn to give them the go ahead that Bennett is okay, then they will hand out the suspension. or b) They really don't have a case against Smith and don't want to admit it.I'm starting to think it's more b) than a) and as a Bennett/Moe Owner I'm concerned.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
What did Onterrio do today that Bennett can't?Run for 5 YPC? Bennett can do that too.Catch a pass while wide open and sprint thru nothing but open field? Lots of backs can do that, Bennett among them.
packersfan
Footballguy
Agreed. Outside of the big TD, Smith didn't have a spectacular day by any means. He ran well and was productive, but it's not like we were watching Priest Holmes or even Quentin Griffin. Everything Smith did today were things Bennett could easily have done. One thing I did notice today. The Vikings worked in camp with a formation that utilizes Bennett as a receiver split out wide. Unless I am mistaken, I didn't see them do that with Smith (or Williams) today. It seems clear the Vikings are coming up with as many ways as possible to get Bennett's hands on the ball this season.Assuming he can stay healthy, of course.
LivingTheDream
Footballguy
Bennett is so soft
packersfan
Footballguy
switz's credibility card on the Smith/Bennett issue left the building a long time ago.Seriously swits, this is out of hand.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
This is true. Probably because Bennett didn't play against top run Ds last season. The best was Green Bay (#10). That was Bennett's first game back, and he ran 8 times for 43 yards (over 5 YPC).In 2002, Bennett ran for 114 yards on 10 carries against Tampa Bay, the #1 overall defense and #5 against the run.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Someday these guys will learn Switz, I'm with you. Onterrio is clearly superior to Bennett.
Culpepper had an interesting quote tonight stating that he hoped SOD wouldn't miss ANY games at all. Why would he say that unless there is actually some sliver of hope out there that the public is not aware of? Hmmm. . . ."Hoping for SmithThe Vikings hope running back Onterrio Smith will be with the team for two more games -- and that the NFL will not rule on his anticipated drug suspension until the October bye week.Quarterback Daunte Culpepper's aspirations for Smith's availability go heyond that.'Onterrio is a great player, and I love playing with him,' Culpepper said. 'Hopefully, everything works out and he'll be with us every game.'Smith went 63 yards with the first of Culpepper's five touchdown passes Sunday. He also was the game's leading rusher with 76 yards on 15 carries."Link
cstu
Footballguy
Well, the NFL doesn't want one of the league's favorite teams to miss the playoffs (AGAIN) does it?According to CBS, his hearing could get pushed back until October. A conspiracy buff would wonder why his hearing is being pushed back and why his suspension will likely occur when Bennett returns as opposed to the start of the season as it was first expected to happen.
Phlash
Footballguy
Everyone on the team realizes how great of a RB the kid is... he is a player. He can catch/run/move, is fast, strong, and can dominate games. He's a playmaker. And Tice drafted him.
Poor people who drafted Bennet though... no way he goes to Arizona, even Emmitt Smith is looking solid This might take the cake as the stupidest post of all-time. If you really believe the NFL cares about the Vikings' situation, you are sadly mistaken. I think it is a little bit of B but more to the point, I think the NFL is making sure it has everything in order to hit the guy with the suspension. I don't think it's a matter of IF he gets suspended. Just a matter of WHEN.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
No, it didn't. Yours did.switz's credibility card on the Smith/Bennett issue left the building a long time ago.Seriously swits, this is out of hand.
packersfan
Footballguy
Stop trolling. Weren't you going to ignore me from now on? Why don't you show some stones and be a man of your word? Should be easy to do. I'm not so sure how my credibility is gone on this issue since at no point have I ever said Smith wasn't a talented RB. Like switz, I have a strong belief about which of these two RBs is superior at this point in time. Unlike switz, I don't blind myself to the talent of the RB who I think is No. 2 on the list. I've always praised Smith's talent and have always been extremely open-minded about his potential. But the main thing I have done here is pay very close attention to the facts and to past evidence which have spelled out the conclusion in this scenario without any confusion whatsoever.No, it didn't. Yours did.switz's credibility card on the Smith/Bennett issue left the building a long time ago.Seriously swits, this is out of hand.
And the conclusion has always been that Michael Bennett is the Minnesota Vikings starting RB and the guy Mike Tice prefers to have on the field.
Think this is just me gushing over a former Badger. Only an idiot would come up with something that lame since it has no connection to reality. As I told switz in another thread, I drafted Smith late and passed on Bennett (in favor of Curtis Martin, a move I'm quite happy with at the moment
) in the fourth round of my draft last week. If I was so filled with Bennett love as you idiotically protest, surely I would have taken him no matter what. But I didn't. So you see, I don't make decisions based on "crushes" or other asinine beliefs. I look at the facts and then formulate an opinion to the best of my ability.So again, stop trolling if you want your arguments to carry any weight.
The facts are clear here:
1. Bennett and Smith are both talented RBs. Whether you or switz or any of the other Onterrio lovers want to believe this irrelevent. Obviously Mike Tice does and his opinion is the only one that matters at this present time.
2. Bennett is clearly the starting RB. The only people who have even questioned this are the strident-Onterrio fans. Everyone else can see this situation for what it is. As Hineazer said when switz wondered what Bennett will have to do to keep his job ... he just has to be active. Case closed.
As a Smith owner, I would love to see Onterrio get the starting job. As I've said many times the starting RB in this offense has huge fantasy potential. So if that was Smith, I'd take that and be thrilled, especially given where I drafted him (14:1). But while I may be a Smith owner and while I may be hoping for the best for one of my players, that doesn't mean I'm going to blind myself to the clear realities of this situation. And the reality here is Michael Bennett is the team's starting RB. As long as he's healthy (and obviously that's the main question with Bennett) the job will be his. What the strident Smith fans continue to ignore is Bennett has done nothing from a performance standpoint to lose his job. He's been hurt, but when he's been on the field he's clearly been productive. When you look at what he did last season on a badly injured foot, it speaks volumes. Or at least it should if you were paying any attention at all.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
Stop trolling. Weren't you going to ignore me from now on? Why don't you show some stones and be a man of your word? Should be easy to do. I'm not so sure how my credibility is gone on this issue since at no point have I ever said Smith wasn't a talented RB. Like switz, I have a strong belief about which of these two RBs is superior at this point in time. Unlike switz, I don't blind myself to the talent of the RB who I think is No. 2 on the list. I've always praised Smith's talent and have always been extremely open-minded about his potential. But the main thing I have done here is pay very close attention to the facts and to past evidence which have spelled out the conclusion in this scenario without any confusion whatsoever.No, it didn't. Yours did.switz's credibility card on the Smith/Bennett issue left the building a long time ago.Seriously swits, this is out of hand.
And the conclusion has always been that Michael Bennett is the Minnesota Vikings starting RB and the guy Mike Tice prefers to have on the field.
Think this is just me gushing over a former Badger. Only an idiot would come up with something that lame since it has no connection to reality. As I told switz in another thread, I drafted Smith late and passed on Bennett (in favor of Curtis Martin, a move I'm quite happy with at the moment
So again, stop trolling if you want your arguments to carry any weight.
The facts are clear here:
1. Bennett and Smith are both talented RBs. Whether you or switz or any of the other Onterrio lovers want to believe this irrelevent. Obviously Mike Tice does and his opinion is the only one that matters at this present time.
2. Bennett is clearly the starting RB. The only people who have even questioned this are the strident-Onterrio fans. Everyone else can see this situation for what it is. As Hineazer said when switz wondered what Bennett will have to do to keep his job ... he just has to be active. Case closed.
As a Smith owner, I would love to see Onterrio get the starting job. As I've said many times the starting RB in this offense has huge fantasy potential. So if that was Smith, I'd take that and be thrilled, especially given where I drafted him (14:1). But while I may be a Smith owner and while I may be hoping for the best for one of my players, that doesn't mean I'm going to blind myself to the clear realities of this situation. And the reality here is Michael Bennett is the team's starting RB. As long as he's healthy (and obviously that's the main question with Bennett) the job will be his. What the strident Smith fans continue to ignore is Bennett has done nothing from a performance standpoint to lose his job. He's been hurt, but when he's been on the field he's clearly been productive. When you look at what he did last season on a badly injured foot, it speaks volumes. Or at least it should if you were paying any attention at all.
switz
Footballguy
Early in the season I was turning around to share the opinion posted here...But you know, I'm beginning to think Tice has changed his mind. In his two years as head coach, Bennett has already missed how many games?
Not only that, but what Onterrio has done when given the full load has been on par if not better than Bennett. Those are really the facts.
Tice went out of his way to promote Onterrio this week, and Onterrio delivered, even though Moe and Moore stole 10 potential carries from him. He blew away the Dallas D, the top ranked D from last season, with the same unit intact.
The team has spoken up about how valuable Smith is to the offense, not a peep about Bennett being out that I've seen.
Most people realize that Onterrio is the better runner, Bennett is simply faster. I think Tice has begun to realize that all that speed does Bennett no good when he can't stay healthy. Remember he was just asw upset about Bennett being injured as he was about Smith's possible suspension.
In the next few weeks, I believe O has a golden opportunity to cement himself into the starter's role.
EDIT: didn't know where to add this, but I thought this was some good stuff about Smith
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packersfan
Footballguy
Thank you for proving my point conclusively.Stop trolling. Weren't you going to ignore me from now on? Why don't you show some stones and be a man of your word? Should be easy to do. I'm not so sure how my credibility is gone on this issue since at no point have I ever said Smith wasn't a talented RB. Like switz, I have a strong belief about which of these two RBs is superior at this point in time. Unlike switz, I don't blind myself to the talent of the RB who I think is No. 2 on the list. I've always praised Smith's talent and have always been extremely open-minded about his potential. But the main thing I have done here is pay very close attention to the facts and to past evidence which have spelled out the conclusion in this scenario without any confusion whatsoever.No, it didn't. Yours did.switz's credibility card on the Smith/Bennett issue left the building a long time ago.Seriously swits, this is out of hand.
And the conclusion has always been that Michael Bennett is the Minnesota Vikings starting RB and the guy Mike Tice prefers to have on the field.
Think this is just me gushing over a former Badger. Only an idiot would come up with something that lame since it has no connection to reality. As I told switz in another thread, I drafted Smith late and passed on Bennett (in favor of Curtis Martin, a move I'm quite happy with at the moment
So again, stop trolling if you want your arguments to carry any weight.
The facts are clear here:
1. Bennett and Smith are both talented RBs. Whether you or switz or any of the other Onterrio lovers want to believe this irrelevent. Obviously Mike Tice does and his opinion is the only one that matters at this present time.
2. Bennett is clearly the starting RB. The only people who have even questioned this are the strident-Onterrio fans. Everyone else can see this situation for what it is. As Hineazer said when switz wondered what Bennett will have to do to keep his job ... he just has to be active. Case closed.
As a Smith owner, I would love to see Onterrio get the starting job. As I've said many times the starting RB in this offense has huge fantasy potential. So if that was Smith, I'd take that and be thrilled, especially given where I drafted him (14:1). But while I may be a Smith owner and while I may be hoping for the best for one of my players, that doesn't mean I'm going to blind myself to the clear realities of this situation. And the reality here is Michael Bennett is the team's starting RB. As long as he's healthy (and obviously that's the main question with Bennett) the job will be his. What the strident Smith fans continue to ignore is Bennett has done nothing from a performance standpoint to lose his job. He's been hurt, but when he's been on the field he's clearly been productive. When you look at what he did last season on a badly injured foot, it speaks volumes. Or at least it should if you were paying any attention at all.
tenacious_b
Footballguy
Hmmm...let me think...stay healthy for more than one game.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
It's only a matter of time until Smith supplants Bennett. He's simply a better runningback than the track star.
packersfan
Footballguy
It's certainly not out of the question. Smith is obviously talented. That isn't in doubt. However, I truly doubt Tice is going to turn the running game over to someone who faces a possible suspension. Also, I reiterate the point that Bennett has done nothing to lose this job from a performance standpoint. I don't think it's a fact to say "most people realize that Onterrio is the better runner." That's an opinion and there's nothing that indicates Tice or the Vikings' coaches share that sentiment. I'm sorry switz, but that's the truth. The Vikings clearly like Bennett too. Tice did not hesitate to name him the starter well before the start of camp and all of the stories coming out of Minnesota were how the coaches were excited to get the real Bennett back and how they wanted to keep him on the field, give the ball to him more etc. Did the injury throw a monkey wrench into all of that? Possibly, but personally (and yes this is just my opinion so we're clear) I doubt it. If Bennett returns healthy, why take him out of the starting lineup when so much of what you were doing during the pre-season and camp revolved around giving him the ball more and doing more things with him? That makes no sense at all. Now if Bennett returns and gets hurt again and Onterrio goes off, then Tice may decide he simply can't stick with Bennett and seek an alternative plan.
But that's a bridge that has yet to be crossed and if I were a betting man I'd bet Bennett keeps his starting job once he returns from his injury. I have seen nothing, not quotes from Tice or any reporter who covers the team, or anything from Smith in terms of his performance that would lead me to believe Bennett is in any danger of losing his starting job.
tenacious_b
Footballguy
Well, since Bennett is injured all the time this statement is completely irrelevant.
tenacious_b
Footballguy
Well, since Bennett is injured all the time this statement is completely irrelevant.
packersfan
Footballguy
At this time it isn't. In fact at this time it's one of the strongest pieces of evidence that should be used when trying to decipher and project the Vikings' RB situation.Now as I said if Bennett returns and gets hurt again then yes I would say the chances of Smith taking over permanently increase significantly. But once again, we've yet to cross that bridge and while it's certainly possible Bennett may get hurt again given his past history it's just as possible he stays healthy for the remainder of the season and remains Minnesota's starting RB.
Raiders Fan
The Black Hole
What I don't get is if Smith was better then Bennett why the hell would Tice give the ball to Bennett?? Why would he stress that?? You SOD pimpers need to get a clue.. He is obviously 2nd fiddle to Bennett cause thats how Tice feels.. Since you guys are not an NFL coach I think you need to leave the arm chair stuff at home.. Is SOD a capable fill in.. Sure... A better RB well I doubt it...
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
For what it was worth, I was VERY interested to read that John Clayton told Jason Wood that the Vikings front office believes Onterrio is the most purely talented RB they have. Their concern about him is obviously his personal issues, but if he can get those under control, there's no way Bennett will be able to keep Onterrio off the field.
Exactly. It will be RBBC at best for Bennett in games where Smith is available. There are two reasons for this: (1) Smith has high-end talent; (2) MIN will want to make sure Bennett is not overworked given his penchant to get injured. All that crap about Bennett being groomed for goal-line carries and getting more than 2/3 of the carries over the season no longer applies in light of Bennett's new injury. Bennett may get the majority of carries, but he is not going to be the second round stud that everybody was talking about when O. Smith's suspension was announced.
As a MN homer... I didn't take either in FF because I didn't want to take both. They are both talented, but Tice will give Bennett the ball UNTIL Onterrio can stop taking what Tice refers to as "vacations".
It is very obvious, when listening to Tice talk about SOD, that they like his talent... but it's just as obvious that they hate his personal issues. How can you hand over the offense to a guy who is one toke away from sitting out a year? You cannot, therefore, both guys will be in the mix, period.
BTW, the reason the suspension hasn't come down, is that the appeals board meets at the end of pre-season, then doesn't meet again until October. Onterrio's agent knew this, and waited to appeal until they had left. It was a pretty good strategic maneuver on their part. A loop hole I assume the NFL will close next year.
It is very obvious, when listening to Tice talk about SOD, that they like his talent... but it's just as obvious that they hate his personal issues. How can you hand over the offense to a guy who is one toke away from sitting out a year? You cannot, therefore, both guys will be in the mix, period.
BTW, the reason the suspension hasn't come down, is that the appeals board meets at the end of pre-season, then doesn't meet again until October. Onterrio's agent knew this, and waited to appeal until they had left. It was a pretty good strategic maneuver on their part. A loop hole I assume the NFL will close next year.
Bristol
Footballguy
Please tell me what drugs you are on. IT must be some really good stuff for you to be this delusional.If you think for one minute that Smith with take over Bennett's STARTING spot, then you are crazy. Why would Tice hand over the reigns to a running back that keeps getting into trouble? What happens next time Smith decides to take a toke?Can't wait to bump this thread all year long. Idiot!!
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
A few things.It's much easier for the coach to anoint the veteran over the near-rookie at the beginning of the season, regardless of who they think is better (unless it's a dramatic difference). Warner/Manning is only one example. Warner/Bulger is another. Brees/Rivers is another. Green/Suggs may be another (but the injury and Davis' historic incompetence clouds the picture). Part of the problem is that in this case it's not a fading vet vs. a very talented newcomer, it's a very talented vet vs. a very very talented newcomer, and barring injury the very talented vet usually wins out in those.At this point, I think Onterrio has earned himself at least 10 carries in every game this year as long as he's not suspended. I also think that every game Bennett misses, either due to this injury or the next injury or the one after that, Onterrio starts, gets 20+ attempts, and begins to cement himself as the starter.A lot of this is just inertia. Nobody wants to bench Bennett because he is a vet and a pro-bowler. But if Onterrio manages to keep racking up starts and big games, it becomes more and more thinkable to anoint him the starter.Simply put, Bennett is still the starter, but the race just got a lot closer. And I still like Onterrio to win out eventually.
switz
Footballguy
Bump it all you want. Tice has alredy said he feels Smith is the most purely talented runner on the team. He didn't hold him out despite the looming suspension. He's said he's rooting for him.The ONLY reason Bennett got the starting nod was SPEED... and how much speed will he have after two foot injuries?He's not as good a receiver as Smith. He's not as good a blocker as Smith. He's not as good a runner as Smith.Before he was even hurt Tice was saying Smith would see alot of playing time. It was only on these boards that Bennett fans were saying he'd get the majority of the work, th eGl, the 3d downs etc.Stop listening to the Bennett hype, and start learning how to evaluate players.
