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THE Onterrio Smith Saturday night thread (1 Viewer)
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EastBayFunk
Footballguy
That's what I like to hear.
das machina
Footballguy
I agree w/ Jaxbill, he didn't even avg. 3 yards per carry. I don't see how he seperated himself even if the coach saw it, I would of like for him to say why instead of one statement about it.
Just would like to throw my input into the ring. I've been on the "don't get your hopes up on Onterrio" kick for awhile now...but forget almost everything you saw in or heard about in tonight's game because it doesn't matter until Onterrio starts getting reps with the starting O-Line. I've only watched the 1st half of game (plus a few minutes I watched while at work) and didn't see hardly any of Onterrio Smith, meaning not a whole lot. When Onterrio came in, the starting O-Line went out.There is a huge difference between running behind McKinnie-Liewinski-Birk-Dixon-Rosenthal vs. running behind Haayer-Goldberg-Withrow-Lindsay-?.I'm sure he will get a good look with the 1st squad next week, but that miss block is really going to hurt him.It will be RBBC most likely for most of the year...Chappy on 1st and 2nd, Onterrio as a pass receiver, Moe as short yardage/goalline and someone as a blocker, probably Moe.
EastBayFunk
Footballguy
His YPC average was sub par, but from what I understand the blocking was so horrible that he actually did well to achieve the numbers that he did. That is probably why Tice is apparently pleased with his performance.
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das machina
Footballguy
Ah, well I will admit didn't see the game, but just looking at the stats...they don't look good. Just wish Tice would of said more about him, I think he does have the talent to succeed. If the OL was bad then they could easily make his performance not as good as it was from a stat perspective. But besides one TD run I didn't hear much about his actually running.
I would NOT consider Doug Chapman a veteran that "can get the job done"...that is just crazy talk. What has he ever done? He's a mediocre RB at best. O.Smith could be special...I'd draft his upside over Williams or Chapman any day. There's a reason why the Vikes coaching staff said Moe Williams would not be in the running for the starting job even after Bennett went down. Chapman already has hamstring questions and has never been a durable back. I'd be surprised if he was even healthy when the season starts. Larry Ned is a guy who may do well in camp but then you'll never hear from him again.I believe the Vikes are counting on Onterrio Smith to be their main RB this year. Whether he is up to the challenge is yet to be determined, but I'm confident that he will get the best chance. Bringing him along slowly is the right thing to do, but I'd definitely consider drafting him late 5th/early 6th if he was still around.
Twilight
Footballguy
Damn Aaron, you beat me to calling Grid on that line.The amount of venom in this thread toward OSmith is impressive, to say the least.1. This was preseason game #1. The amount the stats are being ripped is funny. I'm sure if he had a great game, it would be attributed to this.2. This is exactly the same amount of venom toward Portis last year. I'm not saying he is the next Portis, but the dismissal of Smith is almost funny in it's similarity, except one of the knocks actually was reasonable. One of the reasons given for Portis failing was being behind 2 former 1000 yard rushers.I'm sorry, but Bennett is the only RB on the roster who should compete for the #1 spot. And I doubt that he will be back this year.Oh well, keep ripping him and, in my later drafts I might be able to wait until the 6th to get him. I wouldn't want him to be my #1, but he is definitely in the mix for a #2.
radballs.
Footballguy
I agree with everything you've said Aaron. However, given where SOD is going and where Chap is going, it seems like there may be a little value if people are drafting early in the fantasy season. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge O. Smith fan, given the fact that he's from my home town, but, Chapman after the 13th or 14th round at this point isn't a bad flyer pick. And, as much as I love Onterrio, it will be difficult to get him at a value position because everyone will be thinking the same thing, and most likely you're going to have to nab him at late 4th or early 5th to get him...... Obviously, this will change substantially over the next 3 weeks. Just another selling point for preseason games as they relate to our obsessive hobby. I'm actually hoping for him to go off in the preseason to "beef" up the first 3 round RB pool so I can get value from other players. If only I can be lucky enough to see a top 3 TE fall to me at 4.10 ....... 
Raiders Fan
The Black Hole
Did I miss something but isn't Bennett due back by then??? I heard they pushed timetable back but I heard end of October.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
I think most people realize that is WISHFUL thinking on the Vikings part, as it's already been pushed back two weeks. Believe it when you see it. But it is just ONE MORE reason you should probably avoid the Minnesota RBs this year... uncertainty.
Big Daddy Kane
Footballguy
That's the problem. Too many of you guys don't even watch the games, just look at stat lines, then go onto fantasy websites acting like you actually know what you are talking about. It's becoming more and more common which is starting to make me take most opinions I read on this board with a grain of salt. You've probably never even seen Onterrio Smith play. You can ramble on about how Onterrio Smith did nothing last night, but I'll put a little more weight into what Mike Tice actually says about Onterrio Smith, and apparently he was pleased.
Pimpin Ain't Easy
Footballguy
Payton was one of the best Blocking Rb's of all time. A master of the cut block.
EastBayFunk
Footballguy
I think it's highly unlikely that Michael Bennett returns this year. To assume he'll be back would certainly be a little foolish.
Some more in depth Mike Tice comments on Onterrio Smith (from vikings.com):
We knew that the running back situation was going to have to sort itself out. I think tonight Onterrio Smith separated himself. I think it was obvious to everybody that was watching that he has some natural elusiveness, some hips, everything you look for in a good back and that was with the second line. So, it will exciting next week to have him work with the first line. Certainly he is going to get more time early in the game and that's an encouraging thing that came out of the game.
We wanted to see what Onterrio (Smith) could do. We put him in one time with first line and I believe we changed the play to a pass. Certainly, I wanted to get him some time in there with the first group but he looked pretty decent. He's got the knack for making positive yardage and that was a hell of a run on the goal line when he put his head down. He wasn't going to be denied.
We knew that the running back situation was going to have to sort itself out. I think tonight Onterrio Smith separated himself. I think it was obvious to everybody that was watching that he has some natural elusiveness, some hips, everything you look for in a good back and that was with the second line. So, it will exciting next week to have him work with the first line. Certainly he is going to get more time early in the game and that's an encouraging thing that came out of the game.
We wanted to see what Onterrio (Smith) could do. We put him in one time with first line and I believe we changed the play to a pass. Certainly, I wanted to get him some time in there with the first group but he looked pretty decent. He's got the knack for making positive yardage and that was a hell of a run on the goal line when he put his head down. He wasn't going to be denied.
Captain Blowhard
Footballguy
I will dispute your claim given this condition: that if equal ability and strong competition are present on a roster, then the nod will go to the guy who can effectively block better (or at the very least that player will eat into the stats considerably). Onterrio Smith isn't a HOF--which is the demographic you use for your analogy. He's no Barry; he's no Emmitt; He's nothing close to the backs you describe.If you think I'm wrong, tell your theory to Kevan Barlow
I'm sure he'd love to hear it.How about you tell your theory to Mike Tice, you know, the one you said about Onterrio not seeing the field until he can block. Mike Tice has openly stated today that he is going to increase Onterrio Smith's playing time with the first unit this upcoming week, and to top it off Mike Tice said he was excited to do so. Your Kevan Barlow analogy is a poor analogy. The Vikings do not have a talented veteran back like Hearst as the do the 49ers.I will dispute your claim given this condition: that if equal ability and strong competition are present on a roster, then the nod will go to the guy who can effectively block better (or at the very least that player will eat into the stats considerably). Onterrio Smith isn't a HOF--which is the demographic you use for your analogy. He's no Barry; he's no Emmitt; He's nothing close to the backs you describe.If you think I'm wrong, tell your theory to Kevan Barlow
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along w/ gridiron assassin i hope some schmuck in my league oozes for smith and takes him early. his blocking was horrific. he did NOT run the ball @ all IMO. anyone can't see this situation has RBBC written all over it deserves smith. steal of the draft? inflated ego. maybe if this kid develops into a well-rounded player we will see him starting. :rotflmao:
EastBayFunk
Footballguy
Did you actually watch the game? I think it's starting to look like O. Smith's job to lose. Tice talked him up a bit and here is what some Viking fans said about the game:
"Who was that guy!?! THAT WAS THE BEST RUN ALL DAY... #32... #32... #32... ONTERRIO SMITH!
Really though, Smith has some great talent. I really think he could replace Bennett... the ways he found the 2nd and 3rd holes were phenomenal. Im sooo used to Bennett running into the back of a lineman, that when Onterrio was headed toward the lineman, i put my head down... the annoucer calls "Gain of 5 yards..." that was a great cut back. Kinda reminded me of a Barry Sanders or a Charlie Garner type play. He has the ability in my mind, to be a 1000 yard back his rookie year. He made WAY too many people miss... hope to see him up there with the 1st team next week..."
"Onterrio Smith showcased his skills well. He was a mover and a shaker as advertised, but i didnt know he could pound the ball in like THAT... the big thing that impressed me was that he showcased all of this by finding his own holes. Id like to see what he could do if he learned the system, flows of plays, and ran with the first team... If he can become a 1000+ runner, he should take Bennetts spot... you may think im nuts, but its like the Kicker/Punter situation. Smith could actually save us a roster spot... if he can be continuous in the redzone and goal line, there is no need for Moe Williams..."
"After watching Onterrio Smith last night.........
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I would say he is the front runner for the starting job.
Next week he will play with the 1st team offense, I think he has started to seperate himself from the rest.
He showed that he has the most talent of our backs last night, I like the way he runs through the hole, juking and trying to make people miss. "
"onterrio smith: i was very impressed with his feet they are awsome . he is still kind of raw be a very good back with some time. consistently made something out of nothing and his touchdown was beautiful he just blew threw two linebackers."
"I THINK SMITH WILL BE OUR STARTING RB BY THE START OF THE REGULAR SEASON!"
"I'm with bruce, I can't even begin to describe how bad our backup offensive line is. Here's all you need to know:
Jacksonville gets called for pass interference in the end zone, so the Vikings get first and goal from the 1. All the offensive line has to do is get a bit of a push, and Ned can get into the end zone. Instead Ned runs into a wall of Jags, and gets dropped for a 3 yard loss.
I saw it at the scrimmage last week when the backup offense couldn't convert a goalline situation for its life.
The fact that Smith was able to gain 33 yards behind that o-line is a freaking miracle. He had to make people miss on almost every play. Oh, there was another dandy of a play where Smith had to make an unblocked Jag miss right as he got the ball. He gained 2 yards and a first down on what should have been a 3 yard loss. "
"Which poster was saying its "Onterrio or bust"...
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Boy, is that turning out to be true. Its obvious that Onterrio Smith is the best back we have and our best opportunity to max this offense. Somebody had some foresight....
Edited by: LordViking at: 8/10/03 3:46:14 pm"
So there you have it. Only a few of the fans who posted on that board thought Chapman should be the starter. The general consensus is that Smith played well and is on his way to winning the job. If you don't take chances in FF you will never win. The early signs on backs like Canidate and Hambrick are discouraging so I think it would be foolish not to consider Smith as a viable RB option in your drafts. I took him in all 3 of the drafts I've done this summer and I'm really hoping he makes his doubters eat crow.
"Who was that guy!?! THAT WAS THE BEST RUN ALL DAY... #32... #32... #32... ONTERRIO SMITH!
Really though, Smith has some great talent. I really think he could replace Bennett... the ways he found the 2nd and 3rd holes were phenomenal. Im sooo used to Bennett running into the back of a lineman, that when Onterrio was headed toward the lineman, i put my head down... the annoucer calls "Gain of 5 yards..." that was a great cut back. Kinda reminded me of a Barry Sanders or a Charlie Garner type play. He has the ability in my mind, to be a 1000 yard back his rookie year. He made WAY too many people miss... hope to see him up there with the 1st team next week..."
"Onterrio Smith showcased his skills well. He was a mover and a shaker as advertised, but i didnt know he could pound the ball in like THAT... the big thing that impressed me was that he showcased all of this by finding his own holes. Id like to see what he could do if he learned the system, flows of plays, and ran with the first team... If he can become a 1000+ runner, he should take Bennetts spot... you may think im nuts, but its like the Kicker/Punter situation. Smith could actually save us a roster spot... if he can be continuous in the redzone and goal line, there is no need for Moe Williams..."
"After watching Onterrio Smith last night.........
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I would say he is the front runner for the starting job.
Next week he will play with the 1st team offense, I think he has started to seperate himself from the rest.
He showed that he has the most talent of our backs last night, I like the way he runs through the hole, juking and trying to make people miss. "
"onterrio smith: i was very impressed with his feet they are awsome . he is still kind of raw be a very good back with some time. consistently made something out of nothing and his touchdown was beautiful he just blew threw two linebackers."
"I THINK SMITH WILL BE OUR STARTING RB BY THE START OF THE REGULAR SEASON!"
"I'm with bruce, I can't even begin to describe how bad our backup offensive line is. Here's all you need to know:
Jacksonville gets called for pass interference in the end zone, so the Vikings get first and goal from the 1. All the offensive line has to do is get a bit of a push, and Ned can get into the end zone. Instead Ned runs into a wall of Jags, and gets dropped for a 3 yard loss.
I saw it at the scrimmage last week when the backup offense couldn't convert a goalline situation for its life.
The fact that Smith was able to gain 33 yards behind that o-line is a freaking miracle. He had to make people miss on almost every play. Oh, there was another dandy of a play where Smith had to make an unblocked Jag miss right as he got the ball. He gained 2 yards and a first down on what should have been a 3 yard loss. "
"Which poster was saying its "Onterrio or bust"...
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Boy, is that turning out to be true. Its obvious that Onterrio Smith is the best back we have and our best opportunity to max this offense. Somebody had some foresight....
Edited by: LordViking at: 8/10/03 3:46:14 pm"
So there you have it. Only a few of the fans who posted on that board thought Chapman should be the starter. The general consensus is that Smith played well and is on his way to winning the job. If you don't take chances in FF you will never win. The early signs on backs like Canidate and Hambrick are discouraging so I think it would be foolish not to consider Smith as a viable RB option in your drafts. I took him in all 3 of the drafts I've done this summer and I'm really hoping he makes his doubters eat crow.
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Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
Finally, someone who gets it, aside from the Tice comments. Never trust anything a coach says.
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Captain Blowhard
Footballguy
Slash:You've obviously already talked yourself into taking Smith (or already have) and probably paid a nice premium for him. That's cool. To each his own.Smith will get playing time, and he's in the mix, but as I asserted in my other post you can't compare Smith or his situation to the HOFers you mention. Impossible. Smith is going to fight for playing time with Chapman and Williams. Even Bennett's value last year was greatly diminished by Chapman and Williams vulturing stuff (and Bennett's rookie year might be a more realistic gauge of what to expect from Onterrio this year).
There are too many factors to truly evaluate Onterrio...mainly that he was running behind the 2nd string offensive line who was blocking the 2nd string defensive line. Tice might have been really impressed with Onterrio, but until he is running against the same lines that his direct competition are, there is no way to compare them.Did you ever think that Ned got demoted because he lost the game on his fumble? Oh and Tice said that Onterrio would get carries behind the first string O-Line this week, but he didn't because he got "benched" for missing that block.Watching the 2nd half now, Onterrio is looking pretty good, but like I said, you can't tell until he gets carries behind the 1st string O-Line. Chapman and Moe were equally impressive to me.
Latest quotes from Tice:After Saturday's game, however, the Vikings had grown increasingly convinced rookie Onterrio Smith will contribute significantly this season. He rushed for 33 yards and a touchdown against Jacksonville's defensive reserves, and while he might not be a gamebreaker, he displayed the rushing instincts that had him ranked among the top college runners last year.Chapman likely will start Saturday against Kansas City, but Tice reiterated Sunday that Smith had leapfrogged Larry Ned and essentially is now competing directly with Chapman for the starting job. Smith will see "a whole lot of time" with the Vikings' first-team offense Saturday, Tice said."I thought Smith took a lot of strides toward that running back position," Tice added. "This is a battle to where someone has to show me they can be the guy. Chapman didn't hurt his chances, but I think this thing is defining itself as a two-man battle."
Ever Present Lurker
Footballguy
Smith has nice upside, but I've seen him go as low as the late 3rd round, which is ridiculous IMO. If you can get him later on, then he's definitley worth a look. FWIW, I just selected him in the late 7th, and he is worth that roll of the dice, in my opion. I wouldn't want him as anything more than an RB4 and if he turns into a Portis, great. If not, then you weren't counting on him anyway.
Posted on Aug 11 2003, 07:22 AM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Smith has nice upside, but I've seen him go as low as the late 3rd round, which is ridiculous IMO. If you can get him later on, then he's definitley worth a look. FWIW, I just selected him in the late 7th, and he is worth that roll of the dice, in my opion. I wouldn't want him as anything more than an RB4 and if he turns into a Portis, great. If not, then you weren't counting on him anywayIt all depends. I recently drafted O. Smith with my 4.10 pick in a 14 team league, and think he was well worth the risk. I drafted him as my RB2 behind Portis. I have Thomas/Peterson as my RB3, and feel that I am fine at RB this year. I know O. Smith may not be the starter against Green Bay, but I do think he will see a bunch of carries, and WILL be the starter by week 3.
By the way, why does so many people feel that Chapman is the guaranteed starter here? We're talking about a guy with only 2 years experience, 75 carries total, and a 3.7 average per carry. Why is it such a "far-fetched" possibility that O. Smith could overtake Chapman for the starting job?
Ever Present Lurker
Footballguy
I have no doubt he WILL be the starting RB in Minnesota. I think Chapman will get some carries - especially early on. Moe Williams is the man who worries me. The combination of Chapman/Williams and the fact that he is a rookie make me devalue him from where Michael Bennet would have been. I do think he is one of those players who could be a pleasant surprise this year.
ratpfink
This looks like a job for You-Know and Who!
The fact is that Onterrio was in for one play with the 1st string line, it reportedly got changed to a pass, he missed his block and Frerotte was sacked. Onterrio came out of the game and didn't reappear until the 2nd half. If missing that block really didn't matter, wouldn't we have seen more of Onterrio with the 1st team?
switz
Footballguy
Actually I found a quote:
whole storyI just hate when people make statements without backup.Regardless, most rooks can't block for squat. He'll learn.This has to be the most telling quote IMO:
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Goat Herders
Footballguy
In my opinion, the question in Minnesota has more to do with "Will it be a RBBC or will Onterrio be the guy?" It seems like all of the discussion is about whether or not Onterrio will be on the field at all, which I think is short-sighted.Do the Vikings RBs need to make protecting Culpepper a top priority? ABSOLUTELY.Does that mean Onterrio is going to sit on the bench forever until he learns to block? I doubt it.The best way to learn to block for a RB is to get into a game and block. And Block some more. And Block some more. Onterrio missed his first block? It happens to every RB. He'll learn.Its not as if the Vikings O-line is porous or Culpepper is small and needs all the help he can get (see, 49ers, San Fransisco).I'm not glowing about O-Smith, but its foolish to think they'll keep him off the field b/c he missed a block in a preseason game. Its not his fault he ran with the 2nd team. What matters is he made the most of it. Its hardly the same thing, but last year in the preseason, Portis couldn't hang on to the ball. They worked on it and he ended up getting a couple carries in the regular season, if memory serves me correct. Don't worry about whether Smith picks up blocks in the next week or two. Worry about if he's on the field in increasing amounts up until Week 1. If he is, that means he's making PROGRESS and as long as he's making progress, they'll keep increasing his opportunities because the coaches realize he is a much more viable long term answer then anyone else on the roster.I don't care if he's the starter in Week 1. I care if he's the starter in Week 16.HERD
Don't worry about whether Smith picks up blocks in the next week or two. Worry about if he's on the field in increasing amounts up until Week 1. If he is, that means he's making PROGRESS and as long as he's making progress, they'll keep increasing his opportunities because the coaches realize he is a much more viable long term answer then anyone else on the roster.I don't care if he's the starter in Week 1. I care if he's the starter in Week 16.HERDFull agreement here. OSmith will slowly learn blocking schemes, which may keep Chapman in the race for a while - maybe even into a splitting time situation during the early part of the season, but it is telling to me that the coach stated straight up "it's a two-man race" that tells me three very big things - first, Tice is open to OSmith taking the starting job from Chapman, two, he wants a "starter" and not a commitee type siutuation, and, most importantly, three, MOe Williams is not being considered for the starter's role - if there's a RBBC it'll be between the Chapman/Smith winner and Moe Williams, with the loser of the first battle being a pure backup.
I agree completely. Though, Michael Bennett will be the starter in week 16.Do recall that Bennett was rated pretty high this season, probably a 2nd rounder in most leagues who had a strong end of the season last year. You seriously believe that he will fly off the radar in an instant after he recovers from a 'not all that serious' injury?O. Smith will RBBC a bit in the beggining of the year, if he does well he'll have some games in the middle of the year where he'll be the #1 guy and toward the end of the year it will be (at best) RBBC again with Bennett. To me, that's not worth pushing the 3/4/5th round to risk. Let someone else reach, I'd think about throwing a risk pick out there in the 6th after some solid choices 1-5. Still, there's better choices to take flyers on in my opinion. For instance, I'd take Correll Buckhalter in a heartbeat before I'd take O.Smith.F
I think you need to research Bennett's injury again. Although it doesn't sound that serious at first, his timetable has already been pushed back a couple weeks. I don't even think Tice expects to have him back at all this year. A foot injury to a runningback, especially an injury that is not healing well, is a serious thing.
switz
Footballguy
Michael Bennett will probably not play at all this year.Bennett had a great year last season, no doubt, but he does not have the intangibles, or natural ability that Smith has. Bennett is all speed, and way too upright of a runner to last long in the NFL. In my opinion, Smith will take the job and leave Bennett as only a distant memory. He's an all around back, he can catch, he can score TDs near the goalline. Obviously the Vikes would be better off with one full time RB than RBBC in most people'd opinions.Buckalter is more embroiled in RBBC than Smith will be.
Goat Herders
Footballguy
I'm not sold on Bennett playing a viable roll this year either, and here is why...Scenario 1: The Vikings are in a playoff race late when Bennett returns. In this scenario, the team would have been experiencing some success with the RBs they have. Working Bennett in would be enough of a threat to team chemistry that it would be unlikely. Tice may not be brilliant, but he's not a complete idiot.Scenario 2: The Vikings are way low in the standings and have no shot at the playoffs when Bennett returns. In this scenario, the RBs on board clearly aren't working. Why bother rushing your only viable RB-of-the-future back and risk future injury when the season is lost?Scenario 3: The Vikings have a situation like San Fran last year where their division title and playoff seed are locked up with 3 or 4 games to go.In this scenario, Bennett would probably see A LITTLE actionI don't think Scenario Three is remotely possible. He's not playing this year.HERD
Oh really?The timetable for bennett's return has been pushed back to mid october. OCTOBER!!!It's not a knee injury, it's not a torn muscle or ligament/tendon, it's not neck trauma or nerve damage, it's not concussions. It's a non-joint bone injury... bone injuries are (from a football perspective) the best of the injury bug. They take time to heal, but when they are healed, they are healed.You people talk as if Bennett is done for the year, absolutely, written in stone, and even if he isn't... he'll never be the same back as he was before. Which is completely and untterly, not true.THEN you talk of O. Smith as the next Barry Sanders. All of the news on Bennett I have read says his doctors are still very confident he will return to the field this year. So what, a pro-bowl back who will 'most likely' return to the field the later part of the mid-season is going to lose his job? C'mon people. 1) I still see nothing that says to me that Moe Williams will not continue to be the goal line back (other then ONE pre-season goal line carry against the second team Jax defense)2) I stilll see RBBC with Doug Chapman in the immerging future (if for no other reason until the kid figures out blocking schemes)3) I still see Michael Bennett having an impact on his carries down the stretch and into the ff playoffs. To just throw him out for the season is unwise.4) I still see some bad intangibles from O. Smith, he's a holdout that didn't make Tice happy, he's injury prone and then some from his college daysIt just screams RISK! So. If he's so good, where do you pick him?? 3? 4? 5? 6+? You know someone is going to push on him, the hype machine is rolling. RISK RISK RISK. Too much for me, have fun with him. For every Clinton Portis there's 10 Blair Thomas's.It just feels like the hype machine is working overtime to legitmacize the reach. I still don't buy it.F
Faede - on advice of counsel, look before you leap. Read this Aug. 7 article (thank you Blogger!!):
Bennett May Not Play This Year
Says Bennett may not play this year and won't be back the game after the team's bye on Oct 12 as hoped. That pushes his return to early November at the earliest, and then he has to get worked into the running game again - he is not likely to come back from this and start the first week he is back.
Here's a quote:'
As a precaution, the Vikings have pushed back the timetable on Michael Bennett's return this season. That's if the team's starting running back returns at all this season. With that possibility looming large, the team has delayed the removal of the cast on his left foot, which will delay his rehabilitation. The Vikings originally wanted the cast removed next week; instead it will be closer to the end of the month.
Coach Mike Tice said the best-case scenario is the end of October
Bennett May Not Play This Year
Says Bennett may not play this year and won't be back the game after the team's bye on Oct 12 as hoped. That pushes his return to early November at the earliest, and then he has to get worked into the running game again - he is not likely to come back from this and start the first week he is back.
Here's a quote:'
As a precaution, the Vikings have pushed back the timetable on Michael Bennett's return this season. That's if the team's starting running back returns at all this season. With that possibility looming large, the team has delayed the removal of the cast on his left foot, which will delay his rehabilitation. The Vikings originally wanted the cast removed next week; instead it will be closer to the end of the month.
Coach Mike Tice said the best-case scenario is the end of October
switz
Footballguy
Right... AFTER needing surgery because it didn't heal properly.
See above. Obviously if it's not healing properly already, it's not likely to heal up quickly.
Actually, ankle and foot injuries are especially prone to recurrance. The foot has small bones, and when bones heal, they are bigger, and sometimes can cause pain. Especially in a runningback whose whole game is speed, I would be very concerned.
Tice seems to have forgotten the holdout, so there goes that theory. He has two injureis in college. That doesn't make him injury prone.
Considering most people haven't drafted yet, I don't think anyone is legitimizing anything.
ALL ROOKIES ARE RISKS!
Bottom line is that Smith has the talent, and the opportunity to break out and be a solid contributor for your fantasy squad. Every day that seems more likely.
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I saw that link thanks. I 'm still not buying Bennett out for the season, but if you want to go on that assumption, good luck!I'm still waiting to hear when you O.Smith fans will pick the guy? 3rd round? 4th? 5th? I doubt seriously that with all the crazy hype he'll fall any further then that aside from small leagues. I think at that point you get a ton more value out of a solid WR. He's risky as all hell, and putting a 3-5th round price on a risk like that is not smart Fantasy Football.I agree. Every injury is a concern, especially a foot injury, but, of all the injuries a bone injury is the least of them, medically speaking. Do a little research and you'll find a ton of quality backs that have come back easily and effectively from a bone break in the foot or toes. I'd be MUCH more worried if it was an ankle break.Comparitively, O.Smith has had a chronic shoulder injury that has plagued him throughout his college years and he missed 3 games this past season with the dreaded knee injury.No coach will just ignore a hold - out. It's human nature. Rule 1. Never trust coach-speak.And you're right, not many have drafted yet, but some are and some will be shortly. The key is... if you drafted today, what would you do? And what advice would you give to someone from this forum that is drafting today?In my opinion, the hype is so inflated you cannot possibly get any real value from picking O.Smith. He's a risk pick and more risk then a 3rd/4th should have. He's not Clinton Portis.F
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Chronic shoulder injury? Are you sure you're not talking about Lee Suggs? Onterrio had a knee injury, that's it...injuries?
You may think you can get more value, that's fine.
Same negatives were said about Portis. That he had a bad attitude. He was too small to be an everydown back. Not many thought Portis was going to do what he did. I clearly remember touting Portis and many on this board saying "He's no ..."
Check out this draft profile... hereNah, suggs has had all sorts of problems.Smith had re-occuring shoulder problems at O.state or so the papers said. Not a real big issue for an RB though, so who really cares about that. Never caused missed work, really.Still haven't heard when you guys would pick him. In most 12-14 team leagues I lay money he goes 3rd to early 4th... you think that's a good value for him?Portis also had a denver offensive line that led to Olandis Gary and Mike Anderson 1000 yard seasons... now the viking O-line is pretty good, but, I doubt they are that good.What do you think is a good value round for him? Seriously. I really want to know how far you guys would reach.
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O.Smith is good value in the mid to late 5th round, IMO. His upside is huge...Moe Williams is not in the running for the starting job, Ned just fumbled it away, and Doug Chapman is just not likely to become a quality NFL RB. If O.Smith wins the starting job and does well, he could become an everydown back for the team that led the league in rushing last year (at least I think they did). Michael Bennett had a good year, but he's not exactly a fully established star RB that will get his job back as soon as he's healthy. If O.Smith does well, there will be no reason to rush Bennett's recovery.Obviously, there is risk involved with any pick. That risk will scare some owners away and allow Smith to be a good value once he reaches the middle of the 5th round. Most of the RBs ranked lower than 20 are risky picks this year, IMO. At least Smith is a bit of an unknown commodity and could be the 1 rookie RB that has a huge year this year. As for the holdout, didn't he only holdout for like 1 day? Hardly something I expect Tice to hold a grudge about.Nobody thought Clinton Portis was going to be Clinton Portis 1 year ago today.
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Ahhh! I see now. Now I feel better about the whole conversation.Mid 5th I could handle, though I doubt very very much that in a 12 team league he'll still be there mid 5th. The hype is too much and the ghosts of the 'Clinton Portis draft' are too recent. Someone will reach way too high.Thanks for restoring my faith in the knowledge pool.
Late 4th/early 5th, right where some "as risky" picks should go. Bennett will not be back anytime before November one, and the "best case" scenario is at that time. So, you were factually incorrect with your "pushed back to mid-Oct. return date."I have one more question - I saw OSmith run in college. Did you? He has great vision and burst. He certainly can beat Chapman out, and might run as well as the 2nd round pro-bowl Bennett, menaing by this third/fourth game he could be as valuable as Bennett and have been a 5th round draft choice.
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