Dr. van Nostrand
4 8 15 16 23 42
I havent bought the sickness or the timer either. Just Dharma manipulation.Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
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I havent bought the sickness or the timer either. Just Dharma manipulation.Dr. van Nostrand
4 8 15 16 23 42
How many Others have we seen injected with the "serum"? And, no, Desmond doesnt count.Why didnt Rousseau get sick?
Why havent we seen a single person get sick?
Why didnt the orientation film mention the serum?
A few of my opinions, so might not be correct:- We have barely seen the others so of course we haven't seen them inject themselves. As Cappy alludes to something similar above, if Ethan knew Claire was going to get whacked, he really had no reason to lie to her when he said that they had enough serum for Aaron but not her. I think Ethan was really getting to like Claire, or at least drugged up Claire. Remember, bad guys always tell the truth about their plans/situations when they think the good guys are going to die.
- Rousseau didn't get sick because she shot the rest of her crew before she got sick. We have no idea how people even get sick or whether it is contagious. Anyway, as I have mentioned various times before, I really do believe Rousseau is telling the truth. I may be wrong, but I think if Rousseau was an Other, they would have shown us (the fans) her meeting with them, etc. Everything they have shown backs up the theory that she was in the exact same position as the 815 folks, had her daughter kidnapped and has survived for 16 years trying to find her daughter. She told Sayid that Henry would lie about everything, so methinks that she has had more run ins with the Others than we know.
- Why would the orientation film mention the serum? Since we saw that it was Dharma Theatrical Glue, it seems pretty apparent to me that the orientation film was put together by the same folks that are the Others. Not every Other is Dharma employee (like Alex and the other kids), but Zeke probably works in the same team as the guy in the film. I think Desmond got duped and the hatch he was in is all part of the setup.
P.S. my list above was just opinion as well, we still don't know all the answers, just trying to lay out that last night really did lay out a lot of detail. Whether or not everything we saw was in fact true, who knows.
By the way, do you still hate Claire so much or do you tolerate her more now that she helped us learn a lot more?I have to say that I will pat my self on the back for partially defending a Claire centric episode a few pages back because I knew that since she was kidnapped for sometime by the Others her show would have more answers than any survivor except maybe Rousseau.
atonbackover:Hey just in case any Lost writers are reading, a few episode Rousseau back story would be pretty cool.
How so? What exactly are you referring to in this case. I know I have seen in this thread a few cases where things have popped up this season that were tied directly to events in the first season.Or are you just upset that the whole Purgatory idea just got another big dagger in the back?This show has become so lame. It plays out like a 'choose your own adventure' book.
Personally, I still love the show. I think it is by far the best TV drama that I have ever watched. It seems really well thought out and to me it feels like the writers do still have their original ending planned out. I also like the fact that it is a long single story, versus a CSI which is a 1 episode start to end story. Don't get me wrong, CSI is a great show, but I have always been a big movie fan who likes good character development and watching things unfold.
Also, I am one of the fans that actually likes the back stories and I really would like to know exactly what did happen to Rousseau and her crew/kid.
Oh well, I am really tired now, and there isn't a new episode for a while so adios for a bit.
Dr. van Nostrand
4 8 15 16 23 42
A few of my opinions, so might not be correct:
- We have barely seen the others so of course we haven't seen them inject themselves. As Cappy alludes to something similar above, if Ethan knew Claire was going to get whacked, he really had no reason to lie to her when he said that they had enough serum for Aaron but not her. I think Ethan was really getting to like Claire, or at least drugged up Claire. Remember, bad guys always tell the truth about their plans/situations when they think the good guys are going to die.
Just because Claire was drugged doesnt mean she was euphoric all the time. She didnt react too well to Alex's actions, did she? Ethan may have been telling her what he thought she wanted to hear. Regardless, his line is far from proof that the sickness is real; Alex made it pretty clear that Claire was going to die.
- Rousseau didn't get sick because she shot the rest of her crew before she got sick. We have no idea how people even get sick or whether it is contagious. Anyway, as I have mentioned various times before, I really do believe Rousseau is telling the truth. I may be wrong, but I think if Rousseau was an Other, they would have shown us (the fans) her meeting with them, etc. Everything they have shown backs up the theory that she was in the exact same position as the 815 folks, had her daughter kidnapped and has survived for 16 years trying to find her daughter. She told Sayid that Henry would lie about everything, so methinks that she has had more run ins with the Others than we know.
Rousseau has never described what the sickness was, not to mention the fact that she has already lied to the survivors. The fact that she said they got sick is not proof that there is a illness on the island.
- Why would the orientation film mention the serum? Since we saw that it was Dharma Theatrical Glue, it seems pretty apparent to me that the orientation film was put together by the same folks that are the Others. Not every Other is Dharma employee (like Alex and the other kids), but Zeke probably works in the same team as the guy in the film. I think Desmond got duped and the hatch he was in is all part of the setup.
Thanks for making my point. If Desmond was manipulated into pressing the button, why couldnt he been manipulated into believing there is an illness?
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Galileo
Footballguy
Perhaps this is the overall goal of the writers...a seemingly never ending twist of suspenseful plots that leads the audience down one trail after another but in the end the viewer is simply left "LOST" in all the story lines. While that may be a dissappointing "end game", they could squeeze out many many successful seasons without ever having an actual "end" in mind.
Capella
Footballguy
I still don't like Claire, but enjoyed the episode.By the way, do you still hate Claire so much or do you tolerate her more now that she helped us learn a lot more?I have to say that I will pat my self on the back for partially defending a Claire centric episode a few pages back because I knew that since she was kidnapped for sometime by the Others her show would have more answers than any survivor except maybe Rousseau.
Hey just in case any Lost writers are reading, a few episode Rousseau back story would be pretty cool.
cstu
Footballguy
So because you don't know what is going on you don't think the writers do either? They already know what is going to happen or do you really think ABC just hands over cash for a show to writers who are going to "wing it"?This show has become so lame. It plays out like a 'choose your own adventure' book.
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Dr. van Nostrand
4 8 15 16 23 42
The logos arent the same. Desmond's were from the Swan station and had a swan logo. Ethan's were from the medicinal bunker and had the caduceus logo.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Some random stuff I was thinking about...
Regarding the orientation film and the serum....after we saw the film when Locke and Jack watched it, didn't you have the feeling that there were other films that were unique to each hatch? Yet when Locke spliced missing parts from Eko into the original film, those two films seemed the same. They lined up.
You would think that the serum/illness might be mentioned on a medical hatch film.
Do you think there is just one overall film, with at minimum two copies produced? The copies were for people like Desmond, not the Others?
Could that mean there was a timer (possibly destroyed or just not found) in the Tailies hatch? Interesting that Locke or anyone else has not wanted to see the other hatch, unless he was told the journey is too dangerous per the Tailies/Sawyer/Jin/Michael and that it was abandoned.
Regarding the orientation film and the serum....after we saw the film when Locke and Jack watched it, didn't you have the feeling that there were other films that were unique to each hatch? Yet when Locke spliced missing parts from Eko into the original film, those two films seemed the same. They lined up.
You would think that the serum/illness might be mentioned on a medical hatch film.
Do you think there is just one overall film, with at minimum two copies produced? The copies were for people like Desmond, not the Others?
Could that mean there was a timer (possibly destroyed or just not found) in the Tailies hatch? Interesting that Locke or anyone else has not wanted to see the other hatch, unless he was told the journey is too dangerous per the Tailies/Sawyer/Jin/Michael and that it was abandoned.
Verbal Kint
Footballguy
There's something that continues to gnaw at me the more I watch this show. I couldn't put my finger on it until Jack and Locke really had it out earlier this season and now I know what it is. The conflicts seem to closely parallel the Lord of the Flies. Its getting to the point where I keep expecting someone to say "I have the conch!".
Jack from Lost = Ralph (leader of the group)Locke = Jack from the book (Jack/Ralph's antogonist)Hurley = Piggy (fat boy dispensing wisdom)The beast = the beast (unknown thing in the middle of the island)Both examine the breakdown of social order in the absence of authority. I think they were even both set in the Pacific. Its been a while since I read the book, but it seems like there are alot of similiarities.
Buckychudd
Footballguy
I've been kicking this theory around for a while and although I don't think it will be the answer to the island (too many inconsistencies), I think it's interesting anyhow.
What if the island were an experiment to determine which effects your inherent "goodness" more, your soul or your collection of experiences?
So you take people who are inherently good or bad, erase their experiences (memories) and give them new conflicting ones (where they used to be "good" their memories now tell them they are "bad"). Then you put them on the island add a little stress and see which dominates their actions, the soul or the experience.
Like I said, it probably doesn't bear out, but I thought I'd throw it out there anyhow.
What if the island were an experiment to determine which effects your inherent "goodness" more, your soul or your collection of experiences?
So you take people who are inherently good or bad, erase their experiences (memories) and give them new conflicting ones (where they used to be "good" their memories now tell them they are "bad"). Then you put them on the island add a little stress and see which dominates their actions, the soul or the experience.
Like I said, it probably doesn't bear out, but I thought I'd throw it out there anyhow.
cstu
Footballguy
Caduceus or Staff of Asclepius?Would be interesting if were the the Caduceus design (with 2 snakes and wings) that is mostly used in America rather than the "correct" Staff of Asclepius design (one snake, no wings) that most of the world uses.
I thought last week's ep more or less said that there is "civilized" life on the island - not that everyone is living in the wild. Factor in that as the suriviors were driving deeper into the jungle, Zeke and crew show up and make everybody turn back - as if they were getting too close ot something, like a factory building or some other type of facility that could support civilized life.
Considering that and the theatrical glue, I'm guessing our crew isn't in as remote a location as we are lead to believe. For instance, imagine crashing in the wild of Australia and being confined to a certain area - you would likely assume that you are on a small deserted island in some remote area of the world.
Considering that and the theatrical glue, I'm guessing our crew isn't in as remote a location as we are lead to believe. For instance, imagine crashing in the wild of Australia and being confined to a certain area - you would likely assume that you are on a small deserted island in some remote area of the world.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Then stop watching itThis show has become so lame. It plays out like a 'choose your own adventure' book.
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
1. How many episodes have been shown so far this year? I have the last 2 new episodes on my DVR and will tape the remaining ones.
2. Short of downloading on watching on my computer, DOES ANYONE HAVE THE SEASON 2 EPISODES up to this point on tape/dvdr that I can borrow or a week or so?
Just started watching the season 1 dvd about 3 weeks ago and we are finished. Need to get the first 1/2 of season 2.
TIA, and I'll make it worth your while.
2. Short of downloading on watching on my computer, DOES ANYONE HAVE THE SEASON 2 EPISODES up to this point on tape/dvdr that I can borrow or a week or so?
Just started watching the season 1 dvd about 3 weeks ago and we are finished. Need to get the first 1/2 of season 2.
TIA, and I'll make it worth your while.
Dr. van Nostrand
4 8 15 16 23 42
1. 152. iTunes
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
Download for a day maybe less and watch them on your puter... cant go wrong there.
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
iTunes and this -- ok. However, I'll have to watch FIFTEEN episodes on my computer instead of my 50" Sony. THAT is what I'm trying to accomplish.
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
You are not going to get a high quality video file from anywhere right now unless people taped them and most likely most people have it on DVR instead. Therefore your only true options are to download them and watch them via computer. If you want to pay for them go through iTunes, if you want to only watch them once or twice then go through ISOHUNT.
I think that my opinions making your point is a stretch. You are trying to say that there is no illness and that it is all a manipulation, correct?I agree that Desmond may have been manipulated into pressing the button, but I am not 100% on that. I also agree, that the Others are manipulating the survivors and that is pretty much proven.A few of my opinions, so might not be correct:
- We have barely seen the others so of course we haven't seen them inject themselves. As Cappy alludes to something similar above, if Ethan knew Claire was going to get whacked, he really had no reason to lie to her when he said that they had enough serum for Aaron but not her. I think Ethan was really getting to like Claire, or at least drugged up Claire. Remember, bad guys always tell the truth about their plans/situations when they think the good guys are going to die.
Just because Claire was drugged doesnt mean she was euphoric all the time. She didnt react too well to Alex's actions, did she? Ethan may have been telling her what he thought she wanted to hear. Regardless, his line is far from proof that the sickness is real; Alex made it pretty clear that Claire was going to die.
- Rousseau didn't get sick because she shot the rest of her crew before she got sick. We have no idea how people even get sick or whether it is contagious. Anyway, as I have mentioned various times before, I really do believe Rousseau is telling the truth. I may be wrong, but I think if Rousseau was an Other, they would have shown us (the fans) her meeting with them, etc. Everything they have shown backs up the theory that she was in the exact same position as the 815 folks, had her daughter kidnapped and has survived for 16 years trying to find her daughter. She told Sayid that Henry would lie about everything, so methinks that she has had more run ins with the Others than we know.
Rousseau has never described what the sickness was, not to mention the fact that she has already lied to the survivors. The fact that she said they got sick is not proof that there is a illness on the island.
- Why would the orientation film mention the serum? Since we saw that it was Dharma Theatrical Glue, it seems pretty apparent to me that the orientation film was put together by the same folks that are the Others. Not every Other is Dharma employee (like Alex and the other kids), but Zeke probably works in the same team as the guy in the film. I think Desmond got duped and the hatch he was in is all part of the setup.
Thanks for making my point. If Desmond was manipulated into pressing the button, why couldnt he been manipulated into believing there is an illness?
I do not agree that because there has been manipulation that the illness is a made up story. Like I said above, I do actually believe Rousseau's back story, and if I believe her, then I have to believe that there is some sort of sickness. I also don't think Ethan had any reason to lie to Claire if Alex was correct and they were going to kill her after having the baby. If you believe Alex, why wouldn't you believe Ethan?
Anyway, this really is just a difference in opinion not a discussion of proof (which obviously does not exist at this point either way), because we have not seen any illness so far and we have also not seen that Rousseau is lying either. There may be an illness and there may not, no one knows for certain.
Dr. van Nostrand
4 8 15 16 23 42
I agree about the lack of evidence, but I guess I feel that Ive seen nothing to make me believe the sickness is real. The stuff Ethan was injecting in Claire seemed to put her in that "tipsy" state. Not to mention the fact that he seemed to be poking her randomly, not using an ultrasound to actually inject Aaron.
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I may not be a Juliard trained dermatologist, but my sister is a doctor, which I think trumps the fact that I never played one on TV or stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.That said, did Ethan have to inject Aaron directly or could he be putting the serum into the amniotic fluid? Again, not knowing anything real about the illness/serum makes any discussion moot, but I guess I could live with the notion that Ethan didn't have to inject the serum directly into Aaron, but into Claire in a spot that would more easily get absorbed by Aaron.
Anyway, I know that there is no proof either way, but at this point, I guess I am still willing to give Rousseau the benefit of the doubt. At first, I might have lumped her in as a possible Other, but now I do believe her and her story. After the past few episodes, I believe her story even more and I think her line about killing Aaron if they had to was said with 100% conviction.
Tonight's episode is a repeat from season 1...
Whatever the Case May Be
Jack, Kate and Sawyer fight over possession of a newly discovered locked metal briefcase which might contain insights into Kate's mysterious past. Meanwhile, Sayid asks a reluctant Shannon to translate notes he took from the French woman. A rising tide threatens to engulf the fuselage and the entire beach encampment, and Rose and a grieving Charlie tentatively bond over Claire's baffling kidnapping.
Whatever the Case May Be
Jack, Kate and Sawyer fight over possession of a newly discovered locked metal briefcase which might contain insights into Kate's mysterious past. Meanwhile, Sayid asks a reluctant Shannon to translate notes he took from the French woman. A rising tide threatens to engulf the fuselage and the entire beach encampment, and Rose and a grieving Charlie tentatively bond over Claire's baffling kidnapping.
Mike Crimes
Footballguy
NERD ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!
This show is for losers!!!!
Anybody who sacrifices this much of their life into something so fake needs to just pull the trigger no!!!
Go outside look around you, explore your own life. LOSERS!!!!!!
This show is for losers!!!!
Anybody who sacrifices this much of their life into something so fake needs to just pull the trigger no!!!
Go outside look around you, explore your own life. LOSERS!!!!!!
shamrock84
Footballguy
Stupid question and slight hijack... how do you get video from your DVR to your computer? Or do you have a stand-alone dvd recorder?I probably could have hooked this up, but my DVR crapped out and I just had it replaced 2 weeks ago, so I lost all my season 2 episodes.
shamrock84
Footballguy
NERD ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!
This show is for losers!!!!
Anybody who sacrifices this much of their life into something so fake needs to just pull the trigger no!!!
Go outside look around you, explore your own life. LOSERS!!!!!!
Remember that you too are posting on a fantasy football internet message board.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
During the off season.NERD ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!
This show is for losers!!!!
Anybody who sacrifices this much of their life into something so fake needs to just pull the trigger no!!!
Go outside look around you, explore your own life. LOSERS!!!!!!
Blackhawk 69
Mr. C.
Talk about losers your member# 19994. Loser, at 20000 you could have won semi-valuable prizes.NERD ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!
This show is for losers!!!!
Anybody who sacrifices this much of their life into something so fake needs to just pull the trigger no!!!
Go outside look around you, explore your own life. LOSERS!!!!!!
I was going to say the same thing.NERD ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!
This show is for losers!!!!
Anybody who sacrifices this much of their life into something so fake needs to just pull the trigger no!!!
Go outside look around you, explore your own life. LOSERS!!!!!!
(HULK)
(Smash)
Bump for tonight's repeat from season 1...
House of the Rising Sun
Walt and the others are shocked when Michael is brutally beaten, but only the non-English-speaking Jin and Sun know the truth behind the attack. Meanwhile Kate, Jack, Sawyer and Sayid argue about where the survivors should camp -- on the beach, where they're more likely to be seen, or in a remote inland valley where fresh water abounds; and Locke discovers Charlie's secret.
New episodes start next week...
House of the Rising Sun
Walt and the others are shocked when Michael is brutally beaten, but only the non-English-speaking Jin and Sun know the truth behind the attack. Meanwhile Kate, Jack, Sawyer and Sayid argue about where the survivors should camp -- on the beach, where they're more likely to be seen, or in a remote inland valley where fresh water abounds; and Locke discovers Charlie's secret.
New episodes start next week...
True. By the way, put the Quote box around your white text as it will hide your spoiler text. The white text is still visible in the light blue. You have to actually read it, so don't worry about it, but just in the future.Right now, I doubt very many people are even checking the thread. I saw Hulk posting so I figured there may be a juicy tidbit to get me through one more rerun.
Oh and my reply to yours:
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Repeat 2night?
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