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01/23 - The Walt story will be resolved this season. In future flashbacks, we will get more answers about Jack's past. We will soon know why Hurley hasn't lost any weight. We will get more information about the hatch, what's behind the magnetic wall, what happens when we don't push the button. Source: January 23, Lost Podcast

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Episode 12: Fire + Water[/B]

When Charlie's vividly surreal dreams lead him to believe Claire's baby, Aaron, is in danger, Locke suspects Charlie may be using again. Meanwhile, Sawyer encourages Hurley to act on his attraction to Libby.

Also, the next new episode will be February 8th...

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01/23 - The Walt story will be resolved this season. In future flashbacks, we will get more answers about Jack's past. We will soon know why Hurley hasn't lost any weight. We will get more information about the hatch, what's behind the magnetic wall, what happens when we don't push the button. Source: January 23, Lost Podcast

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general info from spoilerfix.com very interesting...

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Episode 12: Fire + Water[/B]

When Charlie's vividly surreal dreams lead him to believe Claire's baby, Aaron, is in danger, Locke suspects Charlie may be using again. Meanwhile, Sawyer encourages Hurley to act on his attraction to Libby.

Also, the next new episode will be February 8th...

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I thought that we had a string of new episodes? What happened? What is the point of a one-week hiatus, some stupid Bull-Fighting with the Stars special?

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...Bull-Fighting with the Stars...

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...Bull-Fighting with the Stars...

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I'd watch that.:gore:

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Meet Hans Oersted:

Hans O. discovered electromagnetism in 1820.

In 1999 the 'Oersted' satellite was launched with the purpose of charting Earth's magnetic field. The findings led scientists to believe that there might be a polar reversal imminent, the effects of which could be cataclysmic: if Earth were to lose its magnetosphere, it would be vulnerable to massive radiation from the space/sun. The satellite also revealed an anomaly in the magnetic field under South Africa; it is pointing the opposite direction from the rest of the Earth's field and has been growing for hundreds of years. Please Google this info. A similar idea was also used in the film 'The Core'.

Meet Hannes Alfvén:

His contribution to science - mainly in the field of electromagnetism - revolutionized how scientists view the universe, winning a Nobel Prize on the way. He spoke English, German, French, Russian, and some Spanish and Chinese; and studied oriental philosophy and religion. He spent time in the Fiji Islands. He was fascinated by the "green flash" - a phenomenon that sometimes occurs at sunset. By no coincidence (Green Lantern and Flash comic):

He also wrote fiction: The Great Computer: A Vision (1968) telling the story of computers taking over the world. Google "Hannes Alfvén".

Alfvén plus Hans O. equals Alvar Hanso.

The above outlines the reason for - and a means to control - the island...

Scientists, fearing the cataclysmic events of a polar reversal, prepared an environment for the survival of the human race. They either directly or indirectly engineered the kind of people who would make up a community fit for survival and propagation of a new world. In the main, this means characters without father/mother figures; and/or characters with skills for survival: a doctor, an engineer, a survivalist, a mercenary; and characters of sufficiently varied genetic background: african, caucasian, asian, etc. to ensure a healthy gene pool for generations.

Then on an island which already had a massive natural source of electromagnetism, they constructed an artificial magnetosphere, alluded to in Walt's/Hurley's comic,to repel the deadly cosmic rays that Earth's magnetosphere used to repel. The hope was that the community could thrive, grow and, eventually, repopulate/recover the world.

The Dharma Initiative under Alvar Hanso (if both of these thing exist in the Lost reality - much of the Orientation film is red herrings for the 'survivors') used a technology based on remote viewing and electromagnetism to power this magnetosphere and to influence the lives of the future island candidates. As stated in another of my posts: every strange (and a lot of mundane) occurrences in Lost can be attributed to electromagnetism as wielded by the collective consciousness on the island (see "Enlightenment Theory"). When all the candidates were in place, i.e. on the plane, the collective consciousness knocked everyone out, brought it down, cryogenically preserved them, dismantled the plane (placing enough debris in the ocean to ensure an "everybody dead" verdict); years later, some plane debris was placed on the beach with the passengers and the scene was set to give the illusion that they had JUST crashed. Then the collective consciousness woke them up.

The joke/password about the snowmen is an allusion to being cryogenically frozen.

The collective consciousness is that group of scientists that became so totally absorbed into remote viewing and electromagnetism that they now operate on frequencies of electromagnetism (covering everything from light to sound) only. They can read minds as well as manipulate iron and other conductive material. Claire wondered why there was not one comb or hairbrush on the entire plane; the reason: the slight electrostatic charges that hairbrushing creates is interference for the collective consciousness.

Much of the Orientation film and what Desmond says is false and purely to ensure that our heroes press those bloody buttons every 108 minutes. The purpose is threefold: to provide a focus for the community - a reason to go on and something 'meaningful' that goes beyond rational decision-making; secondly, to protect the hatch/power-supply/scientists behind the concrete; and, thirdly, to download the information from the Oersted satellite as it orbits the Earth every 108 minutes (please Google this) to get the latest on the magnetic poles.

Sayid tells Jack that either the compass is wrong or North has moved. In fact, North has moved.

Walt seems to become a knife-throwing expert. He isn't. The metal knife was guided by the collective consciousness in an attempt to bring him closer to Locke, who is the island's most faithful servant.

The presence of this ship is an indication that this island has always been known as a source of great magnetic power (the word "magnet" comes from "Magnesia" the land where the first black rock with powers of attraction was found). The location of this ship is an indication of the island's volcanic past - pushing the island higher - the ship is now inland. (Lava cools to form basalt; at the point basalt solidifies it takes on the same magnetic field as the surrounding location, thus providing information of the magnetic field's past.)

BF Skinner's dubious theories form the basis for the methods used by collective consciousness to socially engineer this 'utopia'. They are the voices in the trees, they are the visions, they are the black fog (metal in a magnetic field), the monster (mechanical, but designed to embody each survivor's personal fear). They use every psychological trick in his books to manipulate the survivors into forming a stable long-lasting community ON the island; and their means to this end are extensive.

The opening shot of most episodes - the eye - establishes that this epsiode's main character will percieve what the collective consciousness wishes to show them. In this episode, Boone has an epiphanous vision courtesy of the collective consciousness and is later murdered with a falling plane!

Locke can walk now. Locke has no feeling in his legs. Locke's ability to walk is based on the collective consciousness' will. It makes him obedient. This level of obediency may be required of all the survivors eventually. His legs move because the collective consciousness allows those tiny electronic impulses from his brain via the spine to get through to muscles in his legs.

[Locke predicts the weather to a minute]

Neither does he need a compass anymore. These are electromagnetic phenomena - the conductivity of the air increases just before precipitation - you can smell rain. His power is a gift from the island...but can be taken back at any time.

Which leads us to: why did the island kill Boone? After freeing him from love of his step sister and making him loyal, the island murders him - why? Possible answer: because Locke, at that time, is the main prize for the island; in his dream he was shown Boone dead - but he still proceeded with the excursion to the plane! The island was testing him and setting him apart from everyone else. By the time they got to the plane, Locke was unable to walk, thus preventing him from climbing to the plane - thus forcing Boone to do it. This was all the collective consciousness' plan.

My guess is that there are two groups of Others: one of scientists still on board with the project (boat), and another of scientists who have gone native (those in rags and no metal or sound). The gone-native group (including Ethan) steals babies; they see the project as insidious and rebel against it; they take babies so that the babies can grow up free - without the collective consciousness in their minds. The other group (boat) took Walt in order to keep people on the island - Michael won't be building a raft again.

Google: B.F. Skinner's novel "Walden Two" in which he describes a group of friends visiting a Skinner-type 'utopian' community. The friends react in different ways to the community's ideology; these reactions outline the viewpoints of the two groups of Others.

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This may be a honda within this thread, but I just found it. (80 pages is to much to search). Below is what someone has termed the "Ultimate Lost Theory". It was fun to read, I definitely think he hit on somethings correct (name of Hanso, electromagnetism) but I don't think the whole thing is right. Great read though, sorry if it is a honda but maybe someone else missed it too.

Meet Hans Oersted:

Hans O. discovered electromagnetism in 1820.

In 1999 the 'Oersted' satellite was launched with the purpose of charting Earth's magnetic field. The findings led scientists to believe that there might be a polar reversal imminent, the effects of which could be cataclysmic: if Earth were to lose its magnetosphere, it would be vulnerable to massive radiation from the space/sun. The satellite also revealed an anomaly in the magnetic field under South Africa; it is pointing the opposite direction from the rest of the Earth's field and has been growing for hundreds of years. Please Google this info. A similar idea was also used in the film 'The Core'.

Meet Hannes Alfvén:

His contribution to science - mainly in the field of electromagnetism - revolutionized how scientists view the universe, winning a Nobel Prize on the way. He spoke English, German, French, Russian, and some Spanish and Chinese; and studied oriental philosophy and religion. He spent time in the Fiji Islands. He was fascinated by the "green flash" - a phenomenon that sometimes occurs at sunset. By no coincidence (Green Lantern and Flash comic):

He also wrote fiction: The Great Computer: A Vision (1968) telling the story of computers taking over the world. Google "Hannes Alfvén".

Alfvén plus Hans O. equals Alvar Hanso.

The above outlines the reason for - and a means to control - the island...

Scientists, fearing the cataclysmic events of a polar reversal, prepared an environment for the survival of the human race. They either directly or indirectly engineered the kind of people who would make up a community fit for survival and propagation of a new world. In the main, this means characters without father/mother figures; and/or characters with skills for survival: a doctor, an engineer, a survivalist, a mercenary; and characters of sufficiently varied genetic background: african, caucasian, asian, etc. to ensure a healthy gene pool for generations.

Then on an island which already had a massive natural source of electromagnetism, they constructed an artificial magnetosphere, alluded to in Walt's/Hurley's comic,to repel the deadly cosmic rays that Earth's magnetosphere used to repel. The hope was that the community could thrive, grow and, eventually, repopulate/recover the world.

The Dharma Initiative under Alvar Hanso (if both of these thing exist in the Lost reality - much of the Orientation film is red herrings for the 'survivors') used a technology based on remote viewing and electromagnetism to power this magnetosphere and to influence the lives of the future island candidates. As stated in another of my posts: every strange (and a lot of mundane) occurrences in Lost can be attributed to electromagnetism as wielded by the collective consciousness on the island (see "Enlightenment Theory"). When all the candidates were in place, i.e. on the plane, the collective consciousness knocked everyone out, brought it down, cryogenically preserved them, dismantled the plane (placing enough debris in the ocean to ensure an "everybody dead" verdict); years later, some plane debris was placed on the beach with the passengers and the scene was set to give the illusion that they had JUST crashed. Then the collective consciousness woke them up.

The joke/password about the snowmen is an allusion to being cryogenically frozen.

The collective consciousness is that group of scientists that became so totally absorbed into remote viewing and electromagnetism that they now operate on frequencies of electromagnetism (covering everything from light to sound) only. They can read minds as well as manipulate iron and other conductive material. Claire wondered why there was not one comb or hairbrush on the entire plane; the reason: the slight electrostatic charges that hairbrushing creates is interference for the collective consciousness.

Much of the Orientation film and what Desmond says is false and purely to ensure that our heroes press those bloody buttons every 108 minutes. The purpose is threefold: to provide a focus for the community - a reason to go on and something 'meaningful' that goes beyond rational decision-making; secondly, to protect the hatch/power-supply/scientists behind the concrete; and, thirdly, to download the information from the Oersted satellite as it orbits the Earth every 108 minutes (please Google this) to get the latest on the magnetic poles.

Sayid tells Jack that either the compass is wrong or North has moved. In fact, North has moved.

Walt seems to become a knife-throwing expert. He isn't. The metal knife was guided by the collective consciousness in an attempt to bring him closer to Locke, who is the island's most faithful servant.

The presence of this ship is an indication that this island has always been known as a source of great magnetic power (the word "magnet" comes from "Magnesia" the land where the first black rock with powers of attraction was found). The location of this ship is an indication of the island's volcanic past - pushing the island higher - the ship is now inland. (Lava cools to form basalt; at the point basalt solidifies it takes on the same magnetic field as the surrounding location, thus providing information of the magnetic field's past.)

BF Skinner's dubious theories form the basis for the methods used by collective consciousness to socially engineer this 'utopia'. They are the voices in the trees, they are the visions, they are the black fog (metal in a magnetic field), the monster (mechanical, but designed to embody each survivor's personal fear). They use every psychological trick in his books to manipulate the survivors into forming a stable long-lasting community ON the island; and their means to this end are extensive.

The opening shot of most episodes - the eye - establishes that this epsiode's main character will percieve what the collective consciousness wishes to show them. In this episode, Boone has an epiphanous vision courtesy of the collective consciousness and is later murdered with a falling plane!

Locke can walk now. Locke has no feeling in his legs. Locke's ability to walk is based on the collective consciousness' will. It makes him obedient. This level of obediency may be required of all the survivors eventually. His legs move because the collective consciousness allows those tiny electronic impulses from his brain via the spine to get through to muscles in his legs.

[Locke predicts the weather to a minute]

Neither does he need a compass anymore. These are electromagnetic phenomena - the conductivity of the air increases just before precipitation - you can smell rain. His power is a gift from the island...but can be taken back at any time.

Which leads us to: why did the island kill Boone? After freeing him from love of his step sister and making him loyal, the island murders him - why? Possible answer: because Locke, at that time, is the main prize for the island; in his dream he was shown Boone dead - but he still proceeded with the excursion to the plane! The island was testing him and setting him apart from everyone else. By the time they got to the plane, Locke was unable to walk, thus preventing him from climbing to the plane - thus forcing Boone to do it. This was all the collective consciousness' plan.

My guess is that there are two groups of Others: one of scientists still on board with the project (boat), and another of scientists who have gone native (those in rags and no metal or sound). The gone-native group (including Ethan) steals babies; they see the project as insidious and rebel against it; they take babies so that the babies can grow up free - without the collective consciousness in their minds. The other group (boat) took Walt in order to keep people on the island - Michael won't be building a raft again.

Google: B.F. Skinner's novel "Walden Two" in which he describes a group of friends visiting a Skinner-type 'utopian' community. The friends react in different ways to the community's ideology; these reactions outline the viewpoints of the two groups of Others.

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When all the candidates were in place, i.e. on the plane, the collective consciousness knocked everyone out, brought it down, cryogenically preserved them, dismantled the plane (placing enough debris in the ocean to ensure an "everybody dead" verdict); years later, some plane debris was placed on the beach with the passengers and the scene was set to give the illusion that they had JUST crashed. Then the collective consciousness woke them up.

The joke/password about the snowmen is an allusion to being cryogenically frozen.

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I also think that stuff is just speculation, and its fine if its not whited out.

I stopped reading halfway through it. I wouldn't pay it too much heed.

I've seen that explanation for Alvar Hanso previously, and I guess that might be a good guess. However, I think a better guess was that the writter were all like, "Hey, whats a cool name for an evil mastermind... Alvar, yeah thats the ticket!".

I also tend to think the "Hanso" is simply because they are Star Wars fans... its only two letters shy of Han Solo.

Anyway, supposedly before this season is over we'll find out exactly why the plane crashed, and then we'll end all of this speculation on that topic.

Ultimately, I think these really complicated theories are just that, too complicated. Its a tv show, we'll get a simpler answer in a nice neat package.

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I've also wondered if the plane didn't crash, and the whole scene was some type of highly advanced Virtual Reality experiment... the children were removed from the experiment because for some reason they aren't seceptable to believing the VR?

Lots of holes, but I can't otherwise explain how Locke can walk after being paralyzed.

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I've also wondered if the plane didn't crash, and the whole scene was some type of highly advanced Virtual Reality experiment... the children were removed from the experiment because for some reason they aren't seceptable to believing the VR?

Lots of holes, but I can't otherwise explain how Locke can walk after being paralyzed.

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I've also wondered if the plane didn't crash, and the whole scene was some type of highly advanced Virtual Reality experiment... the children were removed from the experiment because for some reason they aren't seceptable to believing the VR?

Lots of holes, but I can't otherwise explain how Locke can walk after being paralyzed.

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Simplest solution works for me: We don't yet know why he was paralyzed to begin with. What if he wasn't really paralyzed and it was just a psychosomatic reaction of some kind? For example, (obviously purely hypothetical), what if he said something to his mother about helping con him and she committed suicide. His guilt at being "bad" causes him to lose the use of his legs and embark on some effort to "better" himself. Now he's in the plane crash and the ned to move overcomes the psychosomatic symptoms. When did he have trouble with his legs again? When he was abusing Boone's trust and using him and needed reminded to be "good."

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Is next week already another re-run? The description I see on my TIVO for next week is the episode where Hurley goes after the French lady in the woods but that happened in Season 1. I thought there was supposed to be a run of six new episodes after the re-runs. Anyone know?

Also, speaking of the french lady? Where has she been all season and when does she make her appearance?

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Is next week already another re-run?  The description I see on my TIVO for next week is the episode where Hurley goes after the French lady in the woods but that happened in Season 1.  I thought there was supposed to be a run of six new episodes after the re-runs.  Anyone know?

Also, speaking of the french lady?  Where has she been all season and when does she make her appearance?

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Yes, next week is a rerun. The week after we get a new one.

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Is next week already another re-run? The description I see on my TIVO for next week is the episode where Hurley goes after the French lady in the woods but that happened in Season 1. I thought there was supposed to be a run of six new episodes after the re-runs. Anyone know?

Also, speaking of the french lady? Where has she been all season and when does she make her appearance?

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Yes, next week is a rerun. The week after we get a new one.

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And they are probably showing that particular re-run because she's going to be making another appearance very soon.

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Anyone miss the original [HULK] schtick when he was talking like the Hulk?

yeah, me neither.

just wanted to bump the thread...

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Hulk, are you going to post an entire ep spoiler today?

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Are most of you convinced that Locke lost the use of his legs during the box factory accident?

In one of the ealry episodes when Locke is going all commando someone (Charlie?) asks him what he does for a living. Locke says that he worked in a box factory.

Later in one of Hurley's flashbacks Hurley's financial advisor tells him that his box factory has burned to the ground.

During all of Locke's flashbacks (so far) he has worked in that retail store and has full use of his legs.

Feel free to correct and ridicule me if any of that is wrong.

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Are most of you convinced that Locke lost the use of his legs during the box factory accident?

In one of the ealry episodes when Locke is going all commando someone (Charlie?) asks him what he does for a living. Locke says that he worked in a box factory.

Later in one of Hurley's flashbacks Hurley's financial advisor tells him that his box factory has burned to the ground.

During all of Locke's flashbacks (so far) he has worked in that retail store and has full use of his legs.

Feel free to correct and ridicule me if any of that is wrong.

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Are most of you convinced that Locke lost the use of his legs during the box factory accident?

In one of the ealry episodes when Locke is going all commando someone (Charlie?) asks him what he does for a living.  Locke says that he worked in a box factory.

Later in one of Hurley's flashbacks Hurley's financial advisor tells him that his box factory has burned to the ground.

During all of Locke's flashbacks (so far) he has worked in that retail store and has full use of his legs.

Feel free to correct and ridicule me if any of that is wrong.

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I thought there was an episode where he worked at the box factory. He was playing some war game with another coworker during his break time, and his boss harassed him.FYI, Locke's boss in that scene was also Hurley's former boss. Same actor, same character name.

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didn't Danielle say, in season 1, that the black smoke was bad? Then the next scene cut to smoke billowing amongst some mountains. I hadn't seen that mentioned yet.

It appeared the Eko smoke was different. Which smoke was Danielle referring to?

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Is next week already another re-run? The description I see on my TIVO for next week is the episode where Hurley goes after the French lady in the woods but that happened in Season 1. I thought there was supposed to be a run of six new episodes after the re-runs. Anyone know?

Also, speaking of the french lady? Where has she been all season and when does she make her appearance?

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Yes, next week is a rerun.

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Is next week already another re-run?  The description I see on my TIVO for next week is the episode where Hurley goes after the French lady in the woods but that happened in Season 1.  I thought there was supposed to be a run of six new episodes after the re-runs.  Anyone know?

Also, speaking of the french lady?  Where has she been all season and when does she make her appearance?

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Yes, next week is a rerun.

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If there was ever a show to watch only on DVD this one has to be it.

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That washer/dryer comment from Libby was a nice little jab at all of us nut-jobs!!

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This episode is great!

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"Our boy". I don't trust Locke at all. And now he's moving in.

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God I hope that's enough of Charlie for the next year. That episode was brutal.

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God I hope that's enough of Charlie for the next year. That episode was brutal.

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