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If I played Pat in the future, I would make sure to fire a small river bluff if I saw him shut down after a scare card. If you put 600 into a 3000 pot and he folds bottom set just because there were three clubs out, you only have to win one out of six times for it to be even money, and if you do that consistently, you're more likely to get paid off when you do hit.

Bear in mind that these guys are probably taking note of the fact that you make monster laydowns, too.

 
re: plo chopped pot

i think it's completely inexcusable to chop the pot after squeezing the 3rd guy out.

i was going to write a lot more, but bostonfred hit the nail on the head.

 
bostonfred said:
If I played Pat in the future, I would make sure to fire a small river bluff if I saw him shut down after a scare card. If you put 600 into a 3000 pot and he folds bottom set just because there were three clubs out, you only have to win one out of six times for it to be even money, and if you do that consistently, you're more likely to get paid off when you do hit. Bear in mind that these guys are probably taking note of the fact that you make monster laydowns, too.
But you're totally ignoring the fact that it was a $600 bet into a dry side pot in which the all in guy could easily have the nuts judging by how he played the hand. Trust me, I've played with Pat quite a few times and I don't think hes a guy that you should try to post oak bluff.Agree with your last sentence, and I think its very important for me to constantly evaluate how I'm viewed in the eyes of others, especially the regulars. Btw, Pat and Steve both sat at $5/10 tonight despite there being a $10/20 game open....guess they needed to regroup a bit.
 
re: plo chopped poti think it's completely inexcusable to chop the pot after squeezing the 3rd guy out. i was going to write a lot more, but bostonfred hit the nail on the head.
Do you disagree that this happens all the time on high stakes poker? I've also seen it happen quite often in person. Obviously if collusion is a concern then it must be addressed, but imo if there is no apparent collusion then it should be allowed.
 
Just getting in at 6:00AM now. Sat at $10/20 tonight. Posted my BB and SB, then folded 4 or 5 hands, then had this hand.......

Hand of the Day

Villian in this hand is Grant. Grant is a semi-regular. I think he plays at a few other card rooms in town as well. Not sure if he is a pro or not. He buys in for a little over $10K usually. I've heard some people say that they respect his game a lot, but to be completely honest I don't think hes that good. I think hes far too loose and over-values his hands. He can be tricky though, which is always cause for concern. My favorite opponents to play against are the loose but straight forward ones and Grant is definitely not that. The one hand that I had played against him that I had mentioned in the past was this one:

Hand of the Day #1

Villian seems average to me. He claims to have played very high stakes in the past. Not overly aggressive, but a normal TAG I guess. We're 4 handed and I have QQ in the SB. Villian limps on button(strange move), I raise to $100, SB calls, villian calls on button. Flop comes 962 rainbow. I bet $240, SB folds, Villian calls. Turn is a 3, I think theres a flush draw out now. I bet $600. Villian thinks for about 30 seconds and calls. River is an 8, not completing any flush draws. Your move.

What I did

I checked, he checked, I showed QQ, he mucked.

What I think I should've done

Obviously when I saw him muck I was wishing that I had bet. He either put me on a big pocket pair of two high cards probably, so I'm thinking that a bet of $1500 may have looked like a bluff and perhaps he would've called. But the 8 on the river did make hands like 89 or 68 two pair. And with his hesitation I thought that he was either slowplaying a huge hand or really did have a very tough time calling my $600. I hate firing out a small bet like another $600 because I think its not going to get a worse hand to call(looks like I want a call) and it looks weak so it invites a bluff raise. Not really sure how I feel here.
Anyway, I pick up 33 in EP and limp with it. Several other limpers including Grant in LP. Flop comes 369 with 2 hearts. Checked to me, I bet $100, folded to Grant, Grant raises to $300, folded back to me. Your move.What I did

I reraised to $900

What I think I should've done

This is an interesting spot. On one hand, he could most definitely have a draw and be trying to get a free card on the next street. He could even have a straight and flush draw, which is a favorite over most non-set hands. But he could obviously also have a higher set(although I think that sometimes he will raise with 99 preflop if theres many limpers). Flat calling and then leading out on a non-heart turn or checking a heart turn is an option, but I don't mind my play here especially since we're deepstacked and its essential that I define my hand somewhat.

He called. The turn is the ace of hearts. I checked, he bet $1400. Whats your move and whats your plan for the river?

What I did

I called after thinking for a while. The river was a ten non-hearts. I checked, he checked. He had A9 and I took it down.

What I think I should've done

His bet really wasn't that huge considering the pot size. Moreover, this was a very read dependant play. Against an opponent who will most likely have the flush there and who won't pay me off if the board pairs, I can consider a fold here especially if he had bet more than $1400. I was very concerned about him having a higher set though and me drawing to one out. I do think its a tough spot, but as I said it came down to playing the player here imo. I think it was the right play, but its tough to not be results oriented here so I'm hopeful that I am looking at this completely objectively. If the river was another heart that would've been another issue. I was prepared to call any reasonable bet he made on the river I think, although to be honest I was pretty glad to see him check so I can't say that for sure.

Boy poker is great when you win $2500 within 10 minutes of sitting at the table. I won a bit more throughout the night, then switched to a shorthanded $10/10 PLO game before I left.....ended up running great in it and winning $1000 or so more. Won over $4200 overall on the night....what a fabulous start to the Wynn Classic. May take tomorrow off to go see some mixed martial arts(IFC) at the Orleans Arena and then go out and party afterwards.

One slight downside to tonight....I flopped quads(had 22 and flop came 229) in one hand and for the first time in a long long while I got extremely nervous while playing. I think that if an opponent was watching me it may have been evident....heart started beating really fast and I got that "holding your breath" type of feeling......I don't like that at all....yes quads is exciting, but I should be used to things like that by now. I don't think anyone picked up on it as I did get paid off $300(by Grant btw) on the river, but still I don't like the fact that I was a bit rattled and excited. But whatever.....obviously very happy to have won $10K+ in the first two days of the Wynn Classic.

 
Hi Assani, I am curious. Do you know how much you actually made last year from playing.. winnings minus losses?? Do you keep track?
Nah, I've kept very poor records in the past, but I'm keeping complete records since I moved to Vegas so I'll have my numbers for 2008 completely.
You might not want to post that (your income when you calculate) either, never know which FBG works for the IRS.
 
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Hi Assani, I am curious. Do you know how much you actually made last year from playing.. winnings minus losses?? Do you keep track?
Nah, I've kept very poor records in the past, but I'm keeping complete records since I moved to Vegas so I'll have my numbers for 2008 completely.
You might not want to post that (your income when you calculate) either, never know which FBG works for the IRS.
I could be wrong, but I don't think anything posted on an online message board where anyone could sign up as "Assani Fisher" could ever be used against me. Any tax or law guys know for sure?
 
Using it as evidence may be a stretch, but lets say you piss off some random FBG - just having your real name, city and state you live in, could be enough to get an audit done. If you document all of your winnings via IRS then you would have nothing to worry about, but that's a lot :yes: taxes

 
Using it as evidence may be a stretch, but lets say you piss off some random FBG - just having your real name, city and state you live in, could be enough to get an audit done. If you document all of your winnings via IRS then you would have nothing to worry about, but that's a lot :yes: taxes
I document everything that I win online. Money I win in the casino just sits in my deposit box at the casino and never touches a bank. Also I never cash out for more than $3000 in one day to avoid having to provide my name and SS#. I'm fairly sure that money is completely untraceable.
 
Oh and btw, I'm completely addicted to massages while playing poker now.....just so easy to justify spending $50 on a massage when its "just one preflop raise and then fold when you see the flop". Probably should be saving that money though.

 
Assani, this is a great thread, and THANK YOU for taking the time to do this. I think there are many people out there that enjoy playing poker and, as one of them, I really enjoy hearing about your run of success and attempt to live the dream and be a pro.

You inspired me to try playing online again. I actually had 3 bucks left in an account on Ultimate Bet, and they have these little .55 cent sit n gos. I pretty much SUCK at Hold Em (unless I am veerrrrrrry tight and patient), but I have had some decent runs playing Omaha hi/low. Well, in 3 days about a month back I turned that 3 bucks into just short of 800. Won some sit n go's, then took a chance and played a $10 buy in tourn (1st prize about $285), and then kept making LOTS of final tables in their Omaha hi/lo tourns.

Then (of course) I lost it all in a span of about 2 days. I was playing waaaaay over my head in 1-2 pot limit ring games and went on tilt one night.

OOPS.

Well, there's better news: Redeposited $100, and then won two tournaments this week. After winning last night, I decided to take a little break and requested a $1500 payout which I will use to fund my spring break vacation. I figure with the way I'm playing in the low $ tourneys, I can still have fun and cash every now and then.

BTW, I have never heard of you mentioning Ultimate Bet. They have recently added two weekly Omaha tourneys with 10K guaranteed prize pool, and you only have to wade through about 100 other donks to cash out. I was in 3rd place in Thursday night's tourn. with about 60 players left (1 hour in), and got busted by #2 who, IMO, made a HORRIBLE play calling 8K chips all in on the turn with just top pair and 2nd low. But of course I got counterfeited on the river, and his top pair was still good, so BYE BYE my chance at a $4000 first prize. That may not seem like a lot of money for a poker pro dragging $5900 10/20 wins, but for ME, the 50-100 dollar depositor, that seemed like all the money in the WORLD.

Anyway, just thought I'd post something for once here.

Assani, looking forward to the WSOP?

 
I believe I witnessed Mr. Icy Pots himself, looking resplendent in a Washington Redskins t-shirt, sitting pretty deep in a 10/20 NL game at the Wynn like 5 or 6 nights ago.

I would have said hi, but it feels kind of awkward to walk up to a stranger and go "are you Assani Fisher? It's Big Sug from your nerdy fantasy football message board."

Perhaps next time.

 
Assani, this is a great thread, and THANK YOU for taking the time to do this. I think there are many people out there that enjoy playing poker and, as one of them, I really enjoy hearing about your run of success and attempt to live the dream and be a pro.You inspired me to try playing online again. I actually had 3 bucks left in an account on Ultimate Bet, and they have these little .55 cent sit n gos. I pretty much SUCK at Hold Em (unless I am veerrrrrrry tight and patient), but I have had some decent runs playing Omaha hi/low. Well, in 3 days about a month back I turned that 3 bucks into just short of 800. Won some sit n go's, then took a chance and played a $10 buy in tourn (1st prize about $285), and then kept making LOTS of final tables in their Omaha hi/lo tourns.Then (of course) I lost it all in a span of about 2 days. I was playing waaaaay over my head in 1-2 pot limit ring games and went on tilt one night.OOPS.Well, there's better news: Redeposited $100, and then won two tournaments this week. After winning last night, I decided to take a little break and requested a $1500 payout which I will use to fund my spring break vacation. I figure with the way I'm playing in the low $ tourneys, I can still have fun and cash every now and then.BTW, I have never heard of you mentioning Ultimate Bet. They have recently added two weekly Omaha tourneys with 10K guaranteed prize pool, and you only have to wade through about 100 other donks to cash out. I was in 3rd place in Thursday night's tourn. with about 60 players left (1 hour in), and got busted by #2 who, IMO, made a HORRIBLE play calling 8K chips all in on the turn with just top pair and 2nd low. But of course I got counterfeited on the river, and his top pair was still good, so BYE BYE my chance at a $4000 first prize. That may not seem like a lot of money for a poker pro dragging $5900 10/20 wins, but for ME, the 50-100 dollar depositor, that seemed like all the money in the WORLD.Anyway, just thought I'd post something for once here.Assani, looking forward to the WSOP?
:confused: :thumbup: :thumbup: Best of luck man, and yeah don't play on tilt or above your bankroll. The latter, I've learned the hard way.As for the WSOP, I'm most likely just playing cash games during it....I dunno, I just hate live tournaments these days- so much of a time investment with it being very likely that you get little reward. I dunno....unless I get staked for them, I'll probably just do cash games.
 
I believe I witnessed Mr. Icy Pots himself, looking resplendent in a Washington Redskins t-shirt, sitting pretty deep in a 10/20 NL game at the Wynn like 5 or 6 nights ago.I would have said hi, but it feels kind of awkward to walk up to a stranger and go "are you Assani Fisher? It's Big Sug from your nerdy fantasy football message board."Perhaps next time.
You on vacation or live here? Yeah, feel free to come say 'hi' anytime man.
 
What I was asking about was how the presence of a third player to the flop changed things. Basically I think that you need to pick one of three options:1. It was acceptable(my position).2. It would be acceptable with only two people but not with three3. It would never be acceptable.
I vote for #2. Collusion wasn't the right word, I guess. If the parties involved are making a deal, then you need to let the guy that folded back in. Which you can't do. So, you shouldn't make a deal. Both of you got to see the turn and river for free, while the 3rd guy folded for free and didn't get to see those two cards. I think this was a unique situation where it's not really fair to bet someone out, then make a deal to pull back the bets that forced him out.
 
24 of 213!Those pots are frosty!
His bet sizing really made me think he had a huge hand there when I had QQ....honestly was shocked to see AT...I mean I raised in EP and hadn't been that aggressive and he made a pretty damn small reraise that indicated he wanted action.
 

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