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Hey AF -A buddy of mine was asking me what you are going to do when you are ready to buy a house? Are you going to have to resort to getting a normal job for a few years? It has got to be a red flag when you pay for a house in cash :thumbup:. I think I read that your credit is o.k., even so I think it would be difficult to get a long term loan for something like a house given your unstable source of income.

I would hope to buy everything I ever buy without taking a loan out. I don't see the problem with paying straight cash really. Just explain what I do and they'll be happy to have sold their house, no?
as long as you pay taxes

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Hey AF -A buddy of mine was asking me what you are going to do when you are ready to buy a house? Are you going to have to resort to getting a normal job for a few years? It has got to be a red flag when you pay for a house in cash :moneybag:. I think I read that your credit is o.k., even so I think it would be difficult to get a long term loan for something like a house given your unstable source of income.

I would hope to buy everything I ever buy without taking a loan out. I don't see the problem with paying straight cash really. Just explain what I do and they'll be happy to have sold their house, no?
as long as you pay taxes
I pay taxes on anything I win online because that money goes directly into my bank account and is obviously traceable. I have not paid taxes on money won in a casino that just sits in my deposit box in the casino. I have always thought this to be perfectly safe, no?

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Alright, so I'm starting up a online PLO quest. I need a new challenge and I'm loving PLO these days. I'm gonna start at $1/2 on Stars. If I win 10 buy ins then I move up to $2/4. Win 10 buy ins and move up again, and so on and so on, hopefully all the way up to $25/50. I'll post interesting hands and give daily results. If I flame out and suck then I may quit after a few days, but I'm hopeful that I can learn to play the game well and beat it for some decent money. I'll be 4 tabling 6 max games.

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Hey AF -A buddy of mine was asking me what you are going to do when you are ready to buy a house? Are you going to have to resort to getting a normal job for a few years? It has got to be a red flag when you pay for a house in cash :moneybag:. I think I read that your credit is o.k., even so I think it would be difficult to get a long term loan for something like a house given your unstable source of income.

I would hope to buy everything I ever buy without taking a loan out. I don't see the problem with paying straight cash really. Just explain what I do and they'll be happy to have sold their house, no?
as long as you pay taxes
I pay taxes on anything I win online because that money goes directly into my bank account and is obviously traceable. I have not paid taxes on money won in a casino that just sits in my deposit box in the casino. I have always thought this to be perfectly safe, no?
I guess the red flag I was talking about is if you were to move into a nice house and then get audited. So long as your reported online income >> cost of assets + living expenses Granted the risk of getting audited is probably small, but something to consider before plunking down a lot of dough before consulting with an accountant.

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Alright, so I'm starting up a online PLO quest. I need a new challenge and I'm loving PLO these days. I'm gonna start at $1/2 on Stars. If I win 10 buy ins then I move up to $2/4. Win 10 buy ins and move up again, and so on and so on, hopefully all the way up to $25/50. I'll post interesting hands and give daily results. If I flame out and suck then I may quit after a few days, but I'm hopeful that I can learn to play the game well and beat it for some decent money.

:moneybag: Any limits before you move down? like 5 B.I.'s?

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Alright, so I'm starting up a online PLO quest. I need a new challenge and I'm loving PLO these days. I'm gonna start at $1/2 on Stars. If I win 10 buy ins then I move up to $2/4. Win 10 buy ins and move up again, and so on and so on, hopefully all the way up to $25/50. I'll post interesting hands and give daily results. If I flame out and suck then I may quit after a few days, but I'm hopeful that I can learn to play the game well and beat it for some decent money.

:goodposting: Any limits before you move down? like 5 B.I.'s?
Eh, not sure to be honest. I guess 5 sounds good though.

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wow, I run well

PokerStars Game #15885111393: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/03/10 - 16:59:00 (ET)

Table 'Galilea IV' 6-max Seat #2 is the button

Seat 1: Stara78 ($251.40 in chips)

Seat 2: jwvdcw ($227.35 in chips)

Seat 3: dirmic88 ($201.95 in chips)

Seat 4: takeitdown2 ($101.60 in chips)

Seat 5: BalticBi ($374.25 in chips)

Seat 6: Miros ($202.95 in chips)

dirmic88: posts small blind $1

takeitdown2: posts big blind $2

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to jwvdcw [9d 9c Ts Qc]

BalticBi: calls $2

Miros: folds

Stara78: folds

jwvdcw: raises $7 to $9

dirmic88: calls $8

takeitdown2: folds

BalticBi: calls $7

*** FLOP *** [9s Ks 4d]

dirmic88: checks

BalticBi: checks

jwvdcw: bets $22

dirmic88: folds

BalticBi: raises $71.55 to $93.55

jwvdcw: raises $124.80 to $218.35 and is all-in

BalticBi: calls $124.80

*** TURN *** [9s Ks 4d] [Jc]

*** RIVER *** [9s Ks 4d Jc] [6s]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

BalticBi: shows [2h Kd Kc 4h] (three of a kind, Kings)

jwvdcw: shows [9d 9c Ts Qc] (a straight, Nine to King)

jwvdcw collected $462.70 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $465.70 | Rake $3

Board [9s Ks 4d Jc 6s]

Seat 1: Stara78 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 2: jwvdcw (button) showed [9d 9c Ts Qc] and won ($462.70) with a straight, Nine to King

Seat 3: dirmic88 (small blind) folded on the Flop

Seat 4: takeitdown2 (big blind) folded before Flop

Seat 5: BalticBi showed [2h Kd Kc 4h] and lost with three of a kind, Kings

Seat 6: Miros folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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Alright, so I'm starting up a online PLO quest. I need a new challenge and I'm loving PLO these days. I'm gonna start at $1/2 on Stars. If I win 10 buy ins then I move up to $2/4. Win 10 buy ins and move up again, and so on and so on, hopefully all the way up to $25/50. I'll post interesting hands and give daily results. If I flame out and suck then I may quit after a few days, but I'm hopeful that I can learn to play the game well and beat it for some decent money. I'll be 4 tabling 6 max games.

One of the things I have learned about PLO is that many of the people at the table will be PLO specialists. As a result, I think the level of play is higher than at hold-em. This can be good as I often struggle against really bad players, but it can cut profits too.

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wow, I run wellPokerStars Game #15885111393: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/03/10 - 16:59:00 (ET)Table 'Galilea IV' 6-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: Stara78 ($251.40 in chips) Seat 2: jwvdcw ($227.35 in chips) Seat 3: dirmic88 ($201.95 in chips) Seat 4: takeitdown2 ($101.60 in chips) Seat 5: BalticBi ($374.25 in chips) Seat 6: Miros ($202.95 in chips) dirmic88: posts small blind $1takeitdown2: posts big blind $2*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [9d 9c Ts Qc]BalticBi: calls $2Miros: folds Stara78: folds jwvdcw: raises $7 to $9dirmic88: calls $8takeitdown2: folds BalticBi: calls $7*** FLOP *** [9s Ks 4d]dirmic88: checks BalticBi: checks jwvdcw: bets $22dirmic88: folds BalticBi: raises $71.55 to $93.55jwvdcw: raises $124.80 to $218.35 and is all-inBalticBi: calls $124.80*** TURN *** [9s Ks 4d] [Jc]*** RIVER *** [9s Ks 4d Jc] [6s]*** SHOW DOWN ***BalticBi: shows [2h Kd Kc 4h] (three of a kind, Kings)jwvdcw: shows [9d 9c Ts Qc] (a straight, Nine to King)jwvdcw collected $462.70 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $465.70 | Rake $3 Board [9s Ks 4d Jc 6s]Seat 1: Stara78 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: jwvdcw (button) showed [9d 9c Ts Qc] and won ($462.70) with a straight, Nine to KingSeat 3: dirmic88 (small blind) folded on the FlopSeat 4: takeitdown2 (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: BalticBi showed [2h Kd Kc 4h] and lost with three of a kind, KingsSeat 6: Miros folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Can be tough when you are used to holdem, but 2nd set isn't that strong a hand. I think I would have folded unless I had a read that this guy would throw a big raise with something weak. Nice result anyhow.

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Alright, so I'm starting up a online PLO quest. I need a new challenge and I'm loving PLO these days. I'm gonna start at $1/2 on Stars. If I win 10 buy ins then I move up to $2/4. Win 10 buy ins and move up again, and so on and so on, hopefully all the way up to $25/50. I'll post interesting hands and give daily results. If I flame out and suck then I may quit after a few days, but I'm hopeful that I can learn to play the game well and beat it for some decent money. I'll be 4 tabling 6 max games.

One of the things I have learned about PLO is that many of the people at the table will be PLO specialists. As a result, I think the level of play is higher than at hold-em. This can be good as I often struggle against really bad players, but it can cut profits too.
I could end up totally sucking and losing money and this statement will look foolish, but I really think people suck at this game. They play it far too passively, don't bluff enough, don't make enough call downs when getting proper odds, etc. I feel as if I'm nearly always the most aggressive player at the table.

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wow, I run wellPokerStars Game #15885111393: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/03/10 - 16:59:00 (ET)Table 'Galilea IV' 6-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: Stara78 ($251.40 in chips) Seat 2: jwvdcw ($227.35 in chips) Seat 3: dirmic88 ($201.95 in chips) Seat 4: takeitdown2 ($101.60 in chips) Seat 5: BalticBi ($374.25 in chips) Seat 6: Miros ($202.95 in chips) dirmic88: posts small blind $1takeitdown2: posts big blind $2*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [9d 9c Ts Qc]BalticBi: calls $2Miros: folds Stara78: folds jwvdcw: raises $7 to $9dirmic88: calls $8takeitdown2: folds BalticBi: calls $7*** FLOP *** [9s Ks 4d]dirmic88: checks BalticBi: checks jwvdcw: bets $22dirmic88: folds BalticBi: raises $71.55 to $93.55jwvdcw: raises $124.80 to $218.35 and is all-inBalticBi: calls $124.80*** TURN *** [9s Ks 4d] [Jc]*** RIVER *** [9s Ks 4d Jc] [6s]*** SHOW DOWN ***BalticBi: shows [2h Kd Kc 4h] (three of a kind, Kings)jwvdcw: shows [9d 9c Ts Qc] (a straight, Nine to King)jwvdcw collected $462.70 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $465.70 | Rake $3 Board [9s Ks 4d Jc 6s]Seat 1: Stara78 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: jwvdcw (button) showed [9d 9c Ts Qc] and won ($462.70) with a straight, Nine to KingSeat 3: dirmic88 (small blind) folded on the FlopSeat 4: takeitdown2 (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: BalticBi showed [2h Kd Kc 4h] and lost with three of a kind, KingsSeat 6: Miros folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Can be tough when you are used to holdem, but 2nd set isn't that strong a hand. I think I would have folded unless I had a read that this guy would throw a big raise with something weak. Nice result anyhow.
The fact that I had been so aggressive impacted my decision a lot. I felt that he definitely would've stood up to me with bottom set given how I've been playing. Then the 4 gutshot outs made it a call imo. I do agree with you that smaller sets are huge trouble spots at times though.

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Just to give you an idea of my image.....look at what I'm getting called down with

PokerStars Game #15886237801: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/03/10 - 17:45:26 (ET)

Table 'Aethra II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button

Seat 1: sekme ($199 in chips)

Seat 2: jwvdcw ($414.60 in chips)

Seat 3: jedi1066 ($33 in chips)

Seat 4: party_jungle ($120.65 in chips)

Seat 5: fay46 ($140.80 in chips)

Seat 6: lechacal ($642.20 in chips)

jedi1066: posts small blind $1

party_jungle: posts big blind $2

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to jwvdcw [Kh Ks 8h 7s]

fay46: calls $2

lechacal: raises $7 to $9

sekme: folds

jwvdcw: calls $9

jedi1066: folds

party_jungle: folds

fay46: folds

*** FLOP *** [2s Kc As]

lechacal: checks

jwvdcw: bets $12

lechacal: calls $12

*** TURN *** [2s Kc As] [8s]

lechacal: checks

jwvdcw: bets $32

lechacal: calls $32

*** RIVER *** [2s Kc As 8s] [Kd]

lechacal: checks

jwvdcw: bets $72

lechacal: calls $72

*** SHOW DOWN ***

jwvdcw: shows [Kh Ks 8h 7s] (four of a kind, Kings)

lechacal: mucks hand

jwvdcw collected $252 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $255 | Rake $3

Board [2s Kc As 8s Kd]

Seat 1: sekme folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 2: jwvdcw (button) showed [Kh Ks 8h 7s] and won ($252) with four of a kind, Kings

Seat 3: jedi1066 (small blind) folded before Flop

Seat 4: party_jungle (big blind) folded before Flop

Seat 5: fay46 folded before Flop

Seat 6: lechacal mucked [Ts 6s 4d 6d]

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nice, up over $750 so far...great start!

PokerStars Game #15886480590: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/03/10 - 17:55:24 (ET)

Table 'Kiviuq II' 6-max Seat #3 is the button

Seat 1: Biblis ($74 in chips)

Seat 2: pidgeonhead ($256.70 in chips)

Seat 3: jwvdcw ($326.45 in chips)

Seat 4: thezekeman ($117.90 in chips)

Seat 5: kobbar ($199.70 in chips)

Seat 6: Stara78 ($168.55 in chips)

thezekeman: posts small blind $1

kobbar: posts big blind $2

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to jwvdcw [Qc Qs 2d 6d]

Stara78: calls $2

Biblis: folds

pidgeonhead: calls $2

jwvdcw: calls $2

thezekeman: folds

kobbar: raises $9 to $11

Stara78: folds

pidgeonhead: calls $9

jwvdcw: calls $9

*** FLOP *** [Qd 7h 5d]

kobbar: bets $32

pidgeonhead: raises $98.20 to $130.20

jwvdcw: raises $185.25 to $315.45 and is all-in

kobbar: folds

pidgeonhead: calls $115.50 and is all-in

*** TURN *** [Qd 7h 5d] [Td]

*** RIVER *** [Qd 7h 5d Td] [Js]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

pidgeonhead: shows [9c 7s 8s 6s] (a straight, Eight to Queen)

jwvdcw: shows [Qc Qs 2d 6d] (a flush, Queen high)

jwvdcw collected $556.40 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $559.40 | Rake $3

Board [Qd 7h 5d Td Js]

Seat 1: Biblis folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 2: pidgeonhead showed [9c 7s 8s 6s] and lost with a straight, Eight to Queen

Seat 3: jwvdcw (button) showed [Qc Qs 2d 6d] and won ($556.40) with a flush, Queen high

Seat 4: thezekeman (small blind) folded before Flop

Seat 5: kobbar (big blind) folded on the Flop

Seat 6: Stara78 folded before Flop

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up almost $1100 now!

PokerStars Game #15887604368: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/03/10 - 18:42:03 (ET)

Table 'Jihlava' 6-max Seat #2 is the button

Seat 1: coe247 ($272.45 in chips)

Seat 2: bodybagjonny ($366.35 in chips)

Seat 4: FK1957 ($86 in chips)

Seat 5: pugs ($385.55 in chips)

Seat 6: jwvdcw ($191 in chips)

rea s k will be allowed to play after the button

FK1957: posts small blind $1

pugs: posts big blind $2

coe247: posts small & big blinds $3

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to jwvdcw [8d Qh Jc 9c]

jwvdcw: raises $8 to $10

coe247: folds

bodybagjonny: raises $26 to $36

FK1957: folds

pugs: folds

jwvdcw: calls $26

*** FLOP *** [Kc 8s Qc]

jwvdcw: checks

bodybagjonny: bets $76

jwvdcw: raises $79 to $155 and is all-in

bodybagjonny: calls $79

*** TURN *** [Kc 8s Qc] [Qd]

*** RIVER *** [Kc 8s Qc Qd] [Jd]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

jwvdcw: shows [8d Qh Jc 9c] (a full house, Queens full of Jacks)

bodybagjonny: mucks hand

jwvdcw collected $386 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $388 | Rake $2

Board [Kc 8s Qc Qd Jd]

Seat 1: coe247 folded before Flop

Seat 2: bodybagjonny (button) mucked [2c 8c Ah As]

Seat 4: FK1957 (small blind) folded before Flop

Seat 5: pugs (big blind) folded before Flop

Seat 6: jwvdcw showed [8d Qh Jc 9c] and won ($386) with a full house, Queens full of Jacks

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great great start. Played for a little over 3 hours and up $1482, just under 3/4 of the way til I can move up to $2/4!

keep it up AF. Also, check your PMs.

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10k in one tourney and 2k in another. Geeze. Decent night I suppose.

Actually lost money playing poker overall yesterday :bag:
:rolleyes::confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

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10k in one tourney and 2k in another. Geeze. Decent night I suppose.

Actually lost money playing poker overall yesterday :bag:
:rolleyes::confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
lost more in cash games than I won in the tournaments

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GL with the PLO. I have a GB who plays this almost exclusively in cash games, and he does well. He's convinced the people paying it online just suck.

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GL with the PLO. I have a GB who plays this almost exclusively in cash games, and he does well. He's convinced the people paying it online just suck.

So far, I agree. Starting back up again now...gonna also play the Nightly Hundred Grand at 6:00.

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am i the only one completely flabbergasted by the amount of money Assani plays with? Whenever I lose over a hundred I wanna slit my wrists and whenever I win over 100 I feel like a king.

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Assani- I would delete any post that refers to not paying taxes of any sort if I were you. Just not something you want posted on a public forum.

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great great start. Played for a little over 3 hours and up $1482, just under 3/4 of the way til I can move up to $2/4!

Jesus Christ you run goot.

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Alright, so I'm starting up a online PLO quest. I need a new challenge and I'm loving PLO these days. I'm gonna start at $1/2 on Stars. If I win 10 buy ins then I move up to $2/4. Win 10 buy ins and move up again, and so on and so on, hopefully all the way up to $25/50. I'll post interesting hands and give daily results. If I flame out and suck then I may quit after a few days, but I'm hopeful that I can learn to play the game well and beat it for some decent money. I'll be 4 tabling 6 max games.

One of the things I have learned about PLO is that many of the people at the table will be PLO specialists. As a result, I think the level of play is higher than at hold-em. This can be good as I often struggle against really bad players, but it can cut profits too.
I could end up totally sucking and losing money and this statement will look foolish, but I really think people suck at this game. They play it far too passively, don't bluff enough, don't make enough call downs when getting proper odds, etc. I feel as if I'm nearly always the most aggressive player at the table.
I have held this position for a long time. Many players play poorly and can be lumped into one of three categories:1)Passive sheep who fear the nuts all the time2)Hold 'em action players that overvalue all their holdings and don't understand the necessity of playing coordinated hands3) People that love to get all in with the nuts, but have no redraws and extremely vulnerable hands. Many huge pots are won by having the same nut straight as someone else but having redraw options.Best of luck Assani. Don't be in a huge rush to get into bigger limits. $5/10 Omaha is big big game.

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almost ready to move up to 2/4!

PokerStars Game #15890563559: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/03/10 - 20:48:59 (ET)

Table 'Jokaste II' 6-max Seat #1 is the button

Seat 1: bucks2 ($98.75 in chips)

Seat 2: jwvdcw ($189.35 in chips)

Seat 6: PowerHausAA ($706.85 in chips)

jwvdcw: posts small blind $1

LeeRocker: is sitting out

PowerHausAA: posts big blind $2

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to jwvdcw [4s Ac Ah Jd]

eres chingon said, "pay u back tomorrow will pay u 70"

bucks2: folds

LeeRocker leaves the table

jwvdcw: raises $4 to $6

PowerHausAA: calls $4

*** FLOP *** [Jh 7s As]

CopenhagenLC joins the table at seat #5

jwvdcw: bets $8

PowerHausAA: calls $8

*** TURN *** [Jh 7s As] [6h]

eres chingon said, "how about u power"

jwvdcw: checks

PowerHausAA: bets $22

jwvdcw: raises $71 to $93

PowerHausAA: raises $145 to $238

jwvdcw: calls $82.35 and is all-in

*** RIVER *** [Jh 7s As 6h] [5d]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

jwvdcw: shows [4s Ac Ah Jd] (three of a kind, Aces)

PowerHausAA: mucks hand

jwvdcw collected $377.70 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $378.70 | Rake $1

Board [Jh 7s As 6h 5d]

Seat 1: bucks2 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 2: jwvdcw (small blind) showed [4s Ac Ah Jd] and won ($377.70) with three of a kind, Aces

Seat 6: PowerHausAA (big blind) mucked [Qd Ad Jc 2s]

PokerStars Game #15890405453: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/03/10 - 20:42:10 (ET)

Table 'Tolosa IV' 6-max Seat #6 is the button

Seat 2: sekme ($202.75 in chips)

Seat 3: Jiang.Yi111 ($109 in chips)

Seat 4: tombo4681 ($203.05 in chips)

Seat 5: jwvdcw ($219 in chips)

Seat 6: raisemaster ($198.25 in chips)

sekme: posts small blind $1

Jiang.Yi111: posts big blind $2

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to jwvdcw [2d Ah 8d Ac]

tombo4681: calls $2

jwvdcw: raises $7 to $9

raisemaster: calls $9

sekme: folds

Jiang.Yi111: folds

tombo4681: raises $30 to $39

jwvdcw: raises $90 to $129

raisemaster: folds

tombo4681: raises $74.05 to $203.05 and is all-in

jwvdcw: calls $74.05

*** FLOP *** [3d Tc 7d]

*** TURN *** [3d Tc 7d] [Kd]

*** RIVER *** [3d Tc 7d Kd] [3h]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

tombo4681: shows [2h As Ad 9s] (two pair, Aces and Threes)

jwvdcw: shows [2d Ah 8d Ac] (a flush, King high)

jwvdcw collected $416.10 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $418.10 | Rake $2

Board [3d Tc 7d Kd 3h]

Seat 2: sekme (small blind) folded before Flop

Seat 3: Jiang.Yi111 (big blind) folded before Flop

Seat 4: tombo4681 showed [2h As Ad 9s] and lost with two pair, Aces and Threes

Seat 5: jwvdcw showed [2d Ah 8d Ac] and won ($416.10) with a flush, King high

Seat 6: raisemaster (button) folded before Flop

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Assani, when you get a chance can you give some basic pointers for pre-flop play in PLO? I believe I grasp the "general" strategy of post-flop play, but I am clueless pre-flop. Thanks.

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Alright, so I'm starting up a online PLO quest. I need a new challenge and I'm loving PLO these days. I'm gonna start at $1/2 on Stars. If I win 10 buy ins then I move up to $2/4. Win 10 buy ins and move up again, and so on and so on, hopefully all the way up to $25/50. I'll post interesting hands and give daily results. If I flame out and suck then I may quit after a few days, but I'm hopeful that I can learn to play the game well and beat it for some decent money. I'll be 4 tabling 6 max games.

One of the things I have learned about PLO is that many of the people at the table will be PLO specialists. As a result, I think the level of play is higher than at hold-em. This can be good as I often struggle against really bad players, but it can cut profits too.
I could end up totally sucking and losing money and this statement will look foolish, but I really think people suck at this game. They play it far too passively, don't bluff enough, don't make enough call downs when getting proper odds, etc. I feel as if I'm nearly always the most aggressive player at the table.
I have held this position for a long time. Many players play poorly and can be lumped into one of three categories:1)Passive sheep who fear the nuts all the time2)Hold 'em action players that overvalue all their holdings and don't understand the necessity of playing coordinated hands3) People that love to get all in with the nuts, but have no redraws and extremely vulnerable hands. Many huge pots are won by having the same nut straight as someone else but having redraw options.Best of luck Assani. Don't be in a huge rush to get into bigger limits. $5/10 Omaha is big big game.
agreed, I probably fall victim to #3 but I think I more than make up for it with my aggression. I've just been playing any draw ultra aggressively if I sense any weakness from my opponents whatsoever. An example just as I'm typing this:PokerStars Game #15890504938: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/03/10 - 20:46:27 (ET)Table 'Kiviuq II' 6-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 1: LeeRocker ($448.50 in chips) Seat 2: PowerHausAA ($451.30 in chips) Seat 3: bodybagjonny ($313.25 in chips) Seat 4: sekme ($250.60 in chips) Seat 5: seethree ($426.85 in chips) Seat 6: jwvdcw ($201.10 in chips) jwvdcw: posts small blind $1LeeRocker: posts big blind $2*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [Kc Ah 5h 5d]PowerHausAA: folds bodybagjonny: folds sekme: raises $4 to $6seethree: calls $6jwvdcw: calls $5LeeRocker: folds *** FLOP *** [7h Th 4s]jwvdcw: checks sekme: checks seethree: bets $16jwvdcw: raises $51 to $67sekme: folds seethree: folds jwvdcw collected $49.45 from potjwvdcw: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot $52 | Rake $2.55 Board [7h Th 4s]Seat 1: LeeRocker (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: PowerHausAA folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: bodybagjonny folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: sekme folded on the FlopSeat 5: seethree (button) folded on the FlopSeat 6: jwvdcw (small blind) collected ($49.45)If a wrap calls me then I have a ton of outs with my flush draw, amy actually already have the best hand with 55, and have the two overs to make higher pairs too. If I'm getting bottom set to fold here, then I think this has to be a +EV move. And even when called I have decent equity.

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Assani, when you get a chance can you give some basic pointers for pre-flop play in PLO? I believe I grasp the "general" strategy of post-flop play, but I am clueless pre-flop. Thanks.

RFW may be beter than me here, but basically play cards that coordinate. Four to a straight, high pairs, suited aces, etc. Be tight out of position and LAG in LP. Don't play hands that will get you into trouble with no redraws- for example a hand like 2266 sucks because when you flop bottom set and meet aggression you'll have no redraws and not know where you're at.

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Assani- I would delete any post that refers to not paying taxes of any sort if I were you. Just not something you want posted on a public forum.

Someone has brought this up before, but anyone could create the name "Assani Fisher" on an internet message board, and I'm 100% sure that the government has no right to search my deposit box at the Wynn, so they'll never be able to prove that income.

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Alright, so I'm starting up a online PLO quest. I need a new challenge and I'm loving PLO these days. I'm gonna start at $1/2 on Stars. If I win 10 buy ins then I move up to $2/4. Win 10 buy ins and move up again, and so on and so on, hopefully all the way up to $25/50. I'll post interesting hands and give daily results. If I flame out and suck then I may quit after a few days, but I'm hopeful that I can learn to play the game well and beat it for some decent money. I'll be 4 tabling 6 max games.

One of the things I have learned about PLO is that many of the people at the table will be PLO specialists. As a result, I think the level of play is higher than at hold-em. This can be good as I often struggle against really bad players, but it can cut profits too.
I could end up totally sucking and losing money and this statement will look foolish, but I really think people suck at this game. They play it far too passively, don't bluff enough, don't make enough call downs when getting proper odds, etc. I feel as if I'm nearly always the most aggressive player at the table.
I have held this position for a long time. Many players play poorly and can be lumped into one of three categories:1)Passive sheep who fear the nuts all the time2)Hold 'em action players that overvalue all their holdings and don't understand the necessity of playing coordinated hands3) People that love to get all in with the nuts, but have no redraws and extremely vulnerable hands. Many huge pots are won by having the same nut straight as someone else but having redraw options.Best of luck Assani. Don't be in a huge rush to get into bigger limits. $5/10 Omaha is big big game.
agreed, I probably fall victim to #3 but I think I more than make up for it with my aggression. I've just been playing any draw ultra aggressively if I sense any weakness from my opponents whatsoever. An example just as I'm typing this:PokerStars Game #15890504938: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/03/10 - 20:46:27 (ET)Table 'Kiviuq II' 6-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 1: LeeRocker ($448.50 in chips) Seat 2: PowerHausAA ($451.30 in chips) Seat 3: bodybagjonny ($313.25 in chips) Seat 4: sekme ($250.60 in chips) Seat 5: seethree ($426.85 in chips) Seat 6: jwvdcw ($201.10 in chips) jwvdcw: posts small blind $1LeeRocker: posts big blind $2*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [Kc Ah 5h 5d]PowerHausAA: folds bodybagjonny: folds sekme: raises $4 to $6seethree: calls $6jwvdcw: calls $5LeeRocker: folds *** FLOP *** [7h Th 4s]jwvdcw: checks sekme: checks seethree: bets $16jwvdcw: raises $51 to $67sekme: folds seethree: folds jwvdcw collected $49.45 from potjwvdcw: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot $52 | Rake $2.55 Board [7h Th 4s]Seat 1: LeeRocker (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: PowerHausAA folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: bodybagjonny folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: sekme folded on the FlopSeat 5: seethree (button) folded on the FlopSeat 6: jwvdcw (small blind) collected ($49.45)If a wrap calls me then I have a ton of outs with my flush draw, amy actually already have the best hand with 55, and have the two overs to make higher pairs too. If I'm getting bottom set to fold here, then I think this has to be a +EV move. And even when called I have decent equity.
similar handPokerStars Game #15891009803: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/03/10 - 21:08:33 (ET)Table 'Kiviuq II' 6-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 1: ClunkerDuds ($197 in chips) Seat 2: Gakn29 ($197 in chips) Seat 3: bodybagjonny ($422.80 in chips) Seat 4: sekme ($238.70 in chips) Seat 5: seethree ($552.25 in chips) Seat 6: jwvdcw ($168 in chips) jwvdcw: posts small blind $1ClunkerDuds: posts big blind $2*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [9d Kc Ac 5s]Gakn29: folds bodybagjonny: raises $5 to $7sekme: folds seethree: folds jwvdcw: calls $6ClunkerDuds: calls $5*** FLOP *** [Tc 7d 4c]jwvdcw: checks ClunkerDuds: checks bodybagjonny: bets $14jwvdcw: raises $47.95 to $61.95ClunkerDuds: folds bodybagjonny: folds jwvdcw collected $46.65 from potjwvdcw: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot $49 | Rake $2.35 Board [Tc 7d 4c]Seat 1: ClunkerDuds (big blind) folded on the FlopSeat 2: Gakn29 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: bodybagjonny folded on the FlopSeat 4: sekme folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: seethree (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: jwvdcw (small blind) collected ($46.65)

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Assani, when you get a chance can you give some basic pointers for pre-flop play in PLO? I believe I grasp the "general" strategy of post-flop play, but I am clueless pre-flop. Thanks.

RFW may be beter than me here, but basically play cards that coordinate. Four to a straight, high pairs, suited aces, etc. Be tight out of position and LAG in LP. Don't play hands that will get you into trouble with no redraws- for example a hand like 2266 sucks because when you flop bottom set and meet aggression you'll have no redraws and not know where you're at.
I understand this, but my problem lies with knowing what the correct raise is with the right hand. Is it any different than pre-flop play in HE though? Do you try to isolate one or two players? The reason I ask is in the few cash games I played usually the pre-flop play is weak loose and I feel like I rarely get good information on my opponents regardless of how I bet. I imagine I'm losing a lot of the pre-flop equity I could get and I tend to be hesitant with post-flop play then if I don't rock the flop. I'm guessing I should really memorize the rank of the possible starting hands as I'm somewhat hazy on the actual value of the hand I have. Definitely going to put your position tips into practice though.

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Congrats on the nice finishes. That being said, I watched some of the final table and I thought you kind of played like a nit. I don't think you gave yuorself a chance to win or even finish in the top 2 or 3 playing so tight. It seemed to me that you were grossly outplayed. I'm not trying to bash you, just give constructive criticism.

I've had people tell me this for years, especially on twoplustwo whenever they've sweated me there. However, when I look at my stats I'm just not seeing it. My top 10 results according to Official Poker Rankings:9 1st places2 1st place ties(must've been satellites where multiple people win the same 1st prize)5 2nd places10 3rd places49 4th-10th place finishesThat breaks down to:12% of the time getting 1st2.66% of the time tying for 1st6.66% of the time getting 2nd13.33% of the time getting 3rd65.33% of the time getting 4th-10thObviously with only 75 samples, the variance here is huge and the numbers don't really tell the entire story. Moreover, I'll be the first to admit that in every tournament I've won I've had cards or gotten lucky. I've never just ran over a table with aggression. However, I did think my A7s reraise was aggressive and calling all in with 99 was certainly not being a nit as it was very likely at that point that I was a small favorite or huge dog(although 88 and 77 would also be possible and depending on the opponent smaller pocket pairs too I guess). But I don't want to completely dismiss your criticism. What I'll do is this: I'll email Stars support to see if they can send me the hand histories from the final table and post them here and we'll go through them all. Hopefully it can get me to further analyze and improve my game.
Here you go(note: summary at end if you don't wish to read through them all)Hand #360PokerStars Game #15871638464: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIX (4000/8000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:37:24 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (453243 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (380645 in chips) Seat 3: FatalError (110000 in chips) Seat 4: djk123 (103894 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (238717 in chips) Seat 6: deuces85 (107928 in chips) Seat 7: Goldenboys (100670 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)Seat 8: ze_caiçara (717802 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (390101 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 800NoraFlum: posts the ante 800FatalError: posts the ante 800djk123: posts the ante 800jwvdcw: posts the ante 800deuces85: posts the ante 800ze_caiçara: posts the ante 800kokosha007: posts the ante 800ze_caiçara: posts small blind 4000kokosha007: posts big blind 8000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [Th 6d]THAY3R [observer] said, "WAFFLE"SNo0oWMAN: folds FatalError said, "KRUSH"NoraFlum: raises 12125 to 20125FatalError: folds djk123: folds jwvdcw: folds djk123 said, "weeee"THAY3R [observer] said, "DJ"MarkFSU1 [observer] said, "go0o0o0ooo0 sno0oo0wman"deuces85: folds shaundeeb [observer] said, "CRUSHHHH"ze_caiçara: folds kokosha007: folds Ligeiro1972 [observer] said, "vamo BRASILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL"NoraFlum collected 26400 from potNoraFlum: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 26400 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: NoraFlum collected (26400)Seat 3: FatalError folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: djk123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: jwvdcw folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: deuces85 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: ze_caiçara (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 9: kokosha007 (big blind) folded before FlopHand #361PokerStars Game #15871645753: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIX (4000/8000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:37:51 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (452443 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (398245 in chips) Seat 3: FatalError (109200 in chips) Seat 4: djk123 (103094 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (237917 in chips) Seat 6: deuces85 (107128 in chips) Seat 7: Goldenboys (100670 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (713002 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (381301 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 800NoraFlum: posts the ante 800FatalError: posts the ante 800djk123: posts the ante 800jwvdcw: posts the ante 800deuces85: posts the ante 800Goldenboys: posts the ante 800ze_caiçara: posts the ante 800kokosha007: posts the ante 800kokosha007: posts small blind 4000SNo0oWMAN: posts big blind 8000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [2s 7h]SNo0oWMAN said, "ty"NoraFlum: folds JP OSU [observer] said, "glgl jon"FatalError said, "viva portugal"FatalError: folds djk123: folds jwvdcw: folds deuces85: folds Goldenboys: raises 91870 to 99870 and is all-inze_caiçara: folds kokosha007: folds SNo0oWMAN: folds Goldenboys collected 27200 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 27200 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: NoraFlum folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: FatalError folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: djk123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: jwvdcw folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: deuces85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: Goldenboys collected (27200)Seat 8: ze_caiçara (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: kokosha007 (small blind) folded before FlopHand #362PokerStars Game #15871651091: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIX (4000/8000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:38:11 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #9 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (443643 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (397445 in chips) Seat 3: FatalError (108400 in chips) Seat 4: djk123 (102294 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (237117 in chips) Seat 6: deuces85 (106328 in chips) Seat 7: Goldenboys (119070 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (712202 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (376501 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 800NoraFlum: posts the ante 800FatalError: posts the ante 800djk123: posts the ante 800jwvdcw: posts the ante 800deuces85: posts the ante 800Goldenboys: posts the ante 800ze_caiçara: posts the ante 800kokosha007: posts the ante 800SNo0oWMAN: posts small blind 4000NoraFlum: posts big blind 8000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [Qh 3c]FatalError: raises 99600 to 107600 and is all-indjk123: folds jwvdcw: folds deuces85: folds Goldenboys: folds ze_caiçara: folds kokosha007: folds SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: folds FatalError collected 27200 from potFatalError: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 27200 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: NoraFlum (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: FatalError collected (27200)Seat 4: djk123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: jwvdcw folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: deuces85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: Goldenboys folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: ze_caiçara folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: kokosha007 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Hand #363PokerStars Game #15871657478: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIX (4000/8000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:38:34 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (438843 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (388645 in chips) Seat 3: FatalError (126800 in chips) Seat 4: djk123 (101494 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (236317 in chips) Seat 6: deuces85 (105528 in chips) Seat 7: Goldenboys (118270 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (711402 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (375701 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 800NoraFlum: posts the ante 800FatalError: posts the ante 800djk123: posts the ante 800jwvdcw: posts the ante 800deuces85: posts the ante 800Goldenboys: posts the ante 800ze_caiçara: posts the ante 800kokosha007: posts the ante 800NoraFlum: posts small blind 4000FatalError: posts big blind 8000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [Kh 6h]djk123: folds jwvdcw: folds THAY3R [observer] said, "such sexy power poker"J_Marcos [observer] said, "hj a forra vai se gorrrda"shaundeeb [observer] said, "GL MARCO TOO"deuces85: raises 16000 to 24000Goldenboys: folds ze_caiçara: folds kokosha007: folds SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: folds THAY3R [observer] said, "the all in play is very underrated"FatalError: folds deuces85 collected 27200 from potdeuces85: doesn't show hand djk123 said, "noooooooo"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 27200 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: NoraFlum (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: FatalError (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 4: djk123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: jwvdcw folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: deuces85 collected (27200)Seat 7: Goldenboys folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: ze_caiçara folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: kokosha007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Hand #364PokerStars Game #15871664162: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:38:58 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (438043 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (383845 in chips) Seat 3: FatalError (118000 in chips) Seat 4: djk123 (100694 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (235517 in chips) Seat 6: deuces85 (123928 in chips) Seat 7: Goldenboys (117470 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (710602 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (374901 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000FatalError: posts the ante 1000djk123: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000deuces85: posts the ante 1000Goldenboys: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000FatalError: posts small blind 5000djk123: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [Kc 2h]shaundeeb [observer] said, "did ray fall asleep today thayer?"jwvdcw: folds deuces85: folds Goldenboys: raises 106470 to 116470 and is all-inze_caiçara: folds kokosha007: folds SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: calls 116470FatalError: folds djk123: folds THAY3R [observer] said, "im not with him, but i can safely assume yes"*** FLOP *** [9d 5d Tc]djk123 said, "kkkkkk"*** TURN *** [9d 5d Tc] [8c]PokerSavage1 [observer] said, "3333333333333333333333"*** RIVER *** [9d 5d Tc 8c] [4d]*** SHOW DOWN ***Goldenboys: shows [Js Jc] (a pair of Jacks)NoraFlum: shows [Kd Ks] (a pair of Kings)NoraFlum collected 256940 from potshaundeeb [observer] said, "ship"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 256940 | Rake 0 Board [9d 5d Tc 8c 4d]Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: NoraFlum (button) showed [Kd Ks] and won (256940) with a pair of KingsSeat 3: FatalError (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 4: djk123 (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: jwvdcw folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: deuces85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: Goldenboys showed [Js Jc] and lost with a pair of JacksSeat 8: ze_caiçara folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: kokosha007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Hand #365PokerStars Game #15871672782: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:39:30 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (437043 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (523315 in chips) Seat 3: FatalError (112000 in chips) Seat 4: djk123 (89694 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (234517 in chips) Seat 6: deuces85 (122928 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (709602 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (373901 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000FatalError: posts the ante 1000djk123: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000deuces85: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000djk123: posts small blind 5000jwvdcw: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [6s 5s]shaundeeb [observer] said, "thayer"shaundeeb [observer] said, "7-6"THAY3R [observer] said, "you watching ray in wsop"shaundeeb [observer] said, "bte"EduardoBerto [observer] said, "VAMOOOOO"deuces85: folds J_Marcos [observer] said, "goooo BRASIL"THAY3R [observer] said, "he had to battel a 10 minute break"ze_caiçara: raises 20000 to 30000kokosha007: folds SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: folds FatalError: folds djk123: folds jwvdcw: folds ze_caiçara collected 33000 from potze_caiçara: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 33000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: NoraFlum folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: FatalError (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: djk123 (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: jwvdcw (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 6: deuces85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: ze_caiçara collected (33000)Seat 9: kokosha007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Hand #366PokerStars Game #15871679368: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:39:54 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (436043 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (522315 in chips) Seat 3: FatalError (111000 in chips) Seat 4: djk123 (83694 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (223517 in chips) Seat 6: deuces85 (121928 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (731602 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (372901 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000FatalError: posts the ante 1000djk123: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000deuces85: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts small blind 5000deuces85: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [Ac 3c]THAY3R [observer] said, "shaun"shaundeeb [observer] said, "ya"ze_caiçara: folds kokosha007: folds SNo0oWMAN: folds THAY3R [observer] said, "3/36 in 200r"shaundeeb [observer] said, "sigh"NoraFlum: folds FatalError: folds shaundeeb [observer] said, "whatever"djk123: raises 72694 to 82694 and is all-injwvdcw: folds deuces85: calls 72694charder30 [observer] said, "T"charder30 [observer] said, "T"*** FLOP *** [Js Ah 4s]charder30 [observer] said, "T"charder30 [observer] said, "T"charder30 [observer] said, "T"charder30 [observer] said, "T"charder30 [observer] said, "T"charder30 [observer] said, "T"charder30 [observer] said, "T"charder30 [observer] said, "TKTKTKT"charder30 [observer] said, "Q"charder30 [observer] said, "Q"charder30 [observer] said, "Q"charder30 [observer] said, "QQ"charder30 [observer] said, "QTKQ"charder30 [observer] said, "KT5Q"charder30 [observer] said, "TKQ"charder30 [observer] said, "TKQ"charder30 [observer] said, "TKQ"*** TURN *** [Js Ah 4s] [7h]charder30 [observer] said, "KTQ"charder30 [observer] said, "KTQ"charder30 [observer] said, "KTQ"charder30 [observer] said, "KTQ"charder30 [observer] said, "KTQ"charder30 [observer] said, "KTQ"charder30 [observer] said, "KTQ"charder30 [observer] said, "KTQT"charder30 [observer] said, "KKQT"charder30 [observer] said, "KQT"charder30 [observer] said, "KQ"*** RIVER *** [Js Ah 4s 7h] [5c]THAY3R [observer] said, "annette is at my table though, so 33rd imo"charder30 [observer] said, "TKQ"charder30 [observer] said, "KTQ"charder30 [observer] said, "KTQ"charder30 [observer] said, "Q"charder30 [observer] said, "Q"charder30 [observer] said, "Q"charder30 [observer] said, "Q"*** SHOW DOWN ***deuces85: shows [7s 7c] (three of a kind, Sevens)djk123: shows [Ks Th] (high card Ace)charder30 [observer] said, "[QKFE;LKSL;FKSF"charder30 [observer] said, "S"SNo0oWMAN said, "gg djk"charder30 [observer] said, "S"charder30 [observer] said, "A"charder30 [observer] said, "[PSFFK"charder30 [observer] said, "OFD"charder30 [observer] said, "L[PADF"charder30 [observer] said, "FDA"charder30 [observer] said, "S"charder30 [observer] said, "S"NoraFlum said, "gg"FatalError said, "gg djk"deuces85 collected 178388 from potcharder30 [observer] said, "PLERDKPOGKO["charder30 [observer] said, "KCX'[;D"charder30 [observer] said, "]V6"charder30 [observer] said, "'G"charder30 [observer] said, "' '"charder30 [observer] said, "G"charder30 [observer] said, "]LFL,DFFD,"charder30 [observer] said, "DA"charder30 [observer] said, "A"charder30 [observer] said, "A'XD"charder30 [observer] said, "F;"charder30 [observer] said, "SDFSD"charder30 [observer] said, "F"charder30 [observer] said, "DSF'DS"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 178388 | Rake 0 Board [Js Ah 4s 7h 5c]Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: NoraFlum folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: FatalError folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: djk123 (button) showed [Ks Th] and lost with high card AceSeat 5: jwvdcw (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 6: deuces85 (big blind) showed [7s 7c] and won (178388) with three of a kind, SevensSeat 8: ze_caiçara folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: kokosha007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Hand #367PokerStars Game #15871690167: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:40:34 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (435043 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (521315 in chips) Seat 3: FatalError (110000 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (217517 in chips) Seat 6: deuces85 (216622 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (730602 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (371901 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000FatalError: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000deuces85: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000deuces85: posts small blind 5000ze_caiçara: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [6h Ac]charder30 [observer] said, "F;ADS"charder30 [observer] said, "'G;DLGTFMHL;'FG["charder30 [observer] said, "PLHFG"charder30 [observer] said, "JTGR"charder30 [observer] said, "]M]L"kokosha007: folds SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: folds FatalError: folds jwvdcw: folds SNo0oWMAN said, "email sent for spamming chatbox"charder30 [observer] said, ",HFADFFFFFFFFFFFFFF"deuces85: raises 10000 to 20000djk123 [observer] said, "gg"Kcannon [observer] said, "lol"charder30 [observer] said, "<3 snowman imo"Kcannon [observer] said, "ggg e"ze_caiçara: raises 40000 to 60000deuces85: folds ze_caiçara collected 47000 from potze_caiçara: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 47000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: NoraFlum folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: FatalError folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: jwvdcw (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: deuces85 (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 8: ze_caiçara (big blind) collected (47000)Seat 9: kokosha007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Hand #368PokerStars Game #15871701202: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:41:15 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (434043 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (520315 in chips) Seat 3: FatalError (109000 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (216517 in chips) Seat 6: deuces85 (195622 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (756602 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (370901 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000FatalError: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000deuces85: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts small blind 5000kokosha007: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [5s 2d]SNo0oWMAN: raises 14000 to 24000NoraFlum: folds FatalError: folds jwvdcw: folds deuces85: folds ze_caiçara: raises 36000 to 60000kokosha007: folds SNo0oWMAN said, "wat a baller"SNo0oWMAN: folds ze_caiçara collected 65000 from potze_caiçara: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 65000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN folded before FlopSeat 2: NoraFlum folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: FatalError folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: jwvdcw folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: deuces85 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: ze_caiçara (small blind) collected (65000)Seat 9: kokosha007 (big blind) folded before FlopHand #369PokerStars Game #15871711675: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:41:54 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (409043 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (519315 in chips) Seat 3: FatalError (108000 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (215517 in chips) Seat 6: deuces85 (194622 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (796602 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (359901 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000FatalError: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000deuces85: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts small blind 5000SNo0oWMAN: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [8d Td]Ligeiro1972 [observer] said, "vamoooo"NoraFlum: folds FatalError: folds jwvdcw: folds deuces85: folds Kcannon [observer] said, "hey baller"Caiofan [observer] said, "boaaa ze =)"ze_caiçara: raises 20000 to 30000kokosha007: folds SNo0oWMAN: folds ze_caiçara collected 32000 from potze_caiçara: doesn't show hand SNo0oWMAN said, "please no vamo clowns on the rail"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 32000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: NoraFlum folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: FatalError folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: jwvdcw folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: deuces85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: ze_caiçara (button) collected (32000)Seat 9: kokosha007 (small blind) folded before FlopHand #370PokerStars Game #15871717041: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:42:14 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #9 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (398043 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (518315 in chips) Seat 3: FatalError (107000 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (214517 in chips) Seat 6: deuces85 (193622 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (817602 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (353901 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000FatalError: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000deuces85: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000SNo0oWMAN: posts small blind 5000NoraFlum: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [6c Jd]FatalError: folds jwvdcw: folds J_Marcos [observer] said, "vamoooooooooooooooooooooooooo"Alexandre074 [observer] said, "vamoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo"MrStetson1 [observer] said, "vamo ze"J_Marcos [observer] said, "vamoooooooooooooooooooooooooo"FatalError said, "don't they tilt the #### out of you?"Alexandre074 [observer] said, "vamoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo"deuces85: raises 18500 to 28500ze_caiçara: folds Ligeiro1972 [observer] said, "fyvm"SNo0oWMAN said, "yes"FatalError said, "i can't wait to bust them at the world series"MrStetson1 [observer] said, "caio fan tu eh bicha"J_Marcos [observer] said, "yesss vamoooooooooo"SNo0oWMAN said, "hahaha"kokosha007: raises 40500 to 69000SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: folds FatalError said, "and vamoooooo them in their faces"Caiofan [observer] said, "kkkkkk foi mal velho"Caiofan [observer] said, "acordei agora pouco"deuces85: folds TheGuerreiro [observer] said, "goooooo vamosss brazucaa"jackt007 [observer] said, "vaaaamooooooooooooooooo"Caiofan [observer] said, "tava virado há 2 dias =P"kokosha007 collected 79000 from potkokosha007: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 79000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: NoraFlum (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: FatalError folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: jwvdcw folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: deuces85 folded before FlopSeat 8: ze_caiçara folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: kokosha007 (button) collected (79000)Hand #371PokerStars Game #15871728017: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:42:55 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (392043 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (507315 in chips) Seat 3: FatalError (106000 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (213517 in chips) Seat 6: deuces85 (164122 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (816602 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (403401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000FatalError: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000deuces85: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts small blind 5000FatalError: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [Ts 2d]jwvdcw: folds deuces85: folds ze_caiçara: folds kokosha007: folds SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: raises 496315 to 506315 and is all-inFatalError: folds NoraFlum collected 27000 from potNoraFlum: doesn't show hand MrStetson1 [observer] said, "da uma olhada como foi o abc"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 27000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: NoraFlum (small blind) collected (27000)Seat 3: FatalError (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: jwvdcw folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: deuces85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: ze_caiçara folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: kokosha007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Hand #372PokerStars Game #15871734114: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:43:18 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (391043 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (523315 in chips) Seat 3: FatalError (95000 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (212517 in chips) Seat 6: deuces85 (163122 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (815602 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (402401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000FatalError: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000deuces85: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000FatalError: posts small blind 5000jwvdcw: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [5s Js]deuces85: raises 10000 to 20000ze_caiçara: folds kokosha007: folds jackt007 [observer] said, "bonequinho de neve fdp!!!!!!!!!!!! vaaaamooooooooooooo"SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: folds FatalError: folds jwvdcw: calls 10000*** FLOP *** [7h 7c Tc]jwvdcw: checks Caiofan [observer] said, "to vende a cobertura"Caiofan [observer] said, "vendo*"MCFASSINA [observer] said, "ze estou com pensamento positivo...boa sorte"deuces85: bets 26000jwvdcw: folds deuces85 collected 52000 from potze_caiçara said, "vamo fassina"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 52000 | Rake 0 Board [7h 7c Tc]Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: NoraFlum (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: FatalError (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: jwvdcw (big blind) folded on the FlopSeat 6: deuces85 collected (52000)Seat 8: ze_caiçara folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: kokosha007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Hand #373PokerStars Game #15871744321: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:43:57 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (390043 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (522315 in chips) Seat 3: FatalError (89000 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (191517 in chips) Seat 6: deuces85 (194122 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (814602 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (401401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000FatalError: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000deuces85: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts small blind 5000deuces85: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [Jh 7d]ze_caiçara: raises 20000 to 30000kokosha007: folds SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: folds FatalError: folds jwvdcw: folds deuces85: raises 80000 to 110000ze_caiçara: folds J_Marcos [observer] said, "desossa !!!!!!!"deuces85 collected 72000 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 72000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: NoraFlum folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: FatalError (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: jwvdcw (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 6: deuces85 (big blind) collected (72000)Seat 8: ze_caiçara folded before FlopSeat 9: kokosha007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Hand #374PokerStars Game #15871755760: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:44:40 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (389043 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (521315 in chips) Seat 3: FatalError (88000 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (185517 in chips) Seat 6: deuces85 (235122 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (783602 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (400401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000FatalError: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000deuces85: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000deuces85: posts small blind 5000ze_caiçara: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [Js 6c]kokosha007: folds SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: raises 16125 to 26125FatalError: folds jwvdcw: folds deuces85: folds ze_caiçara: folds NoraFlum collected 32000 from potNoraFlum: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 32000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: NoraFlum collected (32000)Seat 3: FatalError folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: jwvdcw (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: deuces85 (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 8: ze_caiçara (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 9: kokosha007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Hand #375PokerStars Game #15871761581: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:45:02 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (388043 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (542315 in chips) Seat 3: FatalError (87000 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (184517 in chips) Seat 6: deuces85 (229122 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (772602 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (399401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000FatalError: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000deuces85: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts small blind 5000kokosha007: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [9d 7h]SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: raises 16125 to 26125FatalError: folds jwvdcw: folds deuces85: folds ze_caiçara: folds kokosha007: folds arnie_137 [observer] said, "sup snowman"NoraFlum collected 32000 from potNoraFlum: doesn't show hand SNo0oWMAN said, "hi"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 32000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: NoraFlum collected (32000)Seat 3: FatalError folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: jwvdcw folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: deuces85 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: ze_caiçara (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 9: kokosha007 (big blind) folded before FlopHand #376PokerStars Game #15871766549: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:45:21 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (387043 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (563315 in chips) Seat 3: FatalError (86000 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (183517 in chips) Seat 6: deuces85 (228122 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (766602 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (388401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000FatalError: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000deuces85: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts small blind 5000SNo0oWMAN: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [8c 9h]NoraFlum: raises 16125 to 26125Caiofan [observer] said, "animal et"FatalError: folds jwvdcw: folds imashokU [observer] said, "arnie"deuces85: folds Caiofan [observer] said, "parabens velho! =)"ze_caiçara: folds kokosha007: folds arnie_137 [observer] said, "ur killin lately GL"SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum collected 32000 from potNoraFlum: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 32000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: NoraFlum collected (32000)Seat 3: FatalError folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: jwvdcw folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: deuces85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: ze_caiçara (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: kokosha007 (small blind) folded before FlopHand #377PokerStars Game #15871771363: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:45:40 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #9 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (376043 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (584315 in chips) Seat 3: FatalError (85000 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (182517 in chips) Seat 6: deuces85 (227122 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (765602 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (382401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000FatalError: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000deuces85: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000SNo0oWMAN: posts small blind 5000NoraFlum: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [2c 2s]FatalError: raises 70000 to 80000jwvdcw: folds jackt007 [observer] said, "nh LeeJones[Host]: vammmmmmooooooooo"arnie_137 [observer] said, "sup imashoku"imashokU [observer] said, "how u doin"deuces85: folds ze_caiçara: folds kokosha007: folds SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: folds FatalError collected 32000 from potFatalError: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 32000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: NoraFlum (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: FatalError collected (32000)Seat 5: jwvdcw folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: deuces85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: ze_caiçara folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: kokosha007 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Hand #378PokerStars Game #15871779632: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:46:11 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (370043 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (573315 in chips) Seat 3: FatalError (106000 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (181517 in chips) Seat 6: deuces85 (226122 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (764602 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (381401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000FatalError: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000deuces85: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts small blind 5000FatalError: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [Ad 3c]arnie_137 [observer] said, "good u"jwvdcw: folds deuces85: folds FatalError said, "the utg blind steal is the most intricate of all the blind steals"ze_caiçara: folds imashokU [observer] said, "ok"kokosha007: raises 18900 to 28900SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: folds FatalError: calls 18900*** FLOP *** [Td 4d Th]FatalError: bets 76100 and is all-inkokosha007: calls 76100shaundeeb [observer] said, "wafflecurse gunna get you"*** TURN *** [Td 4d Th] [5s]MarkFSU1 [observer] said, "easiest to get away with imo"*** RIVER *** [Td 4d Th 5s] [2h]wurevolution [observer] said, "a"*** SHOW DOWN ***FatalError: shows [Ac 7d] (a pair of Tens)kokosha007: shows [Kh 5h] (two pair, Tens and Fives)THAY3R [observer] said, "?"NoraFlum said, "sigh"kokosha007 collected 222000 from potNoraFlum said, "puke"westyplz [observer] said, "brutal"JP OSU [observer] said, "wowow"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 222000 | Rake 0 Board [Td 4d Th 5s 2h]Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: NoraFlum (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: FatalError (big blind) showed [Ac 7d] and lost with a pair of TensSeat 5: jwvdcw folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: deuces85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: ze_caiçara folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: kokosha007 showed [Kh 5h] and won (222000) with two pair, Tens and FivesHand #379PokerStars Game #15871791703: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:46:57 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (369043 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (567315 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (180517 in chips) Seat 6: deuces85 (225122 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (763602 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (497401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000deuces85: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts small blind 5000deuces85: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [5c Qs]JP OSU [observer] said, "wtf?"GeoffRas22 [observer] said, "omg"SNo0oWMAN said, "gg vul"FatalError [observer] said, "all skill"shaundeeb [observer] said, "ldo\"ze_caiçara: folds kokosha007: folds SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: folds jwvdcw: calls 5000THAY3R [observer] said, "oh well dontya know"deuces85: raises 13000 to 23000jwvdcw: folds deuces85 collected 26000 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 26000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: NoraFlum (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: jwvdcw (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 6: deuces85 (big blind) collected (26000)Seat 8: ze_caiçara folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: kokosha007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Hand #380PokerStars Game #15871802448: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:47:38 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (368043 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (566315 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (169517 in chips) Seat 6: deuces85 (240122 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (762602 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (496401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000deuces85: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000deuces85: posts small blind 5000ze_caiçara: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [Td 9h]JP OSU [observer] said, "koko you are the worst ever"kokosha007: folds SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: raises 16125 to 26125jwvdcw: folds deuces85: folds ze_caiçara: folds NoraFlum collected 31000 from potNoraFlum: doesn't show hand arnie_137 [observer] said, "hey takeitback"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 31000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: NoraFlum collected (31000)Seat 5: jwvdcw (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: deuces85 (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 8: ze_caiçara (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 9: kokosha007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Hand #381PokerStars Game #15871808110: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:48:01 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (367043 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (586315 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (168517 in chips) Seat 6: deuces85 (234122 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (751602 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (495401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000deuces85: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts small blind 5000kokosha007: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [4d 9h]SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: folds jwvdcw: folds arnie_137 [observer] said, "been playing plo 10 25"deuces85: folds imashokU [observer] said, "yea"imashokU [observer] said, "nice"jwvdcw said, "any second now my pots are gonna get icy"ze_caiçara: raises 30000 to 40000jwvdcw said, "I can feel it"arnie_137 [observer] said, "i make 100 a day"kokosha007: folds ze_caiçara collected 26000 from potze_caiçara: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 26000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: NoraFlum folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: jwvdcw folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: deuces85 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: ze_caiçara (small blind) collected (26000)Seat 9: kokosha007 (big blind) folded before FlopHand #382PokerStars Game #15871814309: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:48:25 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (366043 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (585315 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (167517 in chips) Seat 6: deuces85 (233122 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (766602 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (484401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000deuces85: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts small blind 5000SNo0oWMAN: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [Kd 8c]NoraFlum: folds jwvdcw: folds imashokU [observer] said, "im at asu right now"deuces85: raises 18000 to 28000ze_caiçara: raises 52000 to 80000kokosha007: folds SNo0oWMAN: folds arnie_137 [observer] said, "nice"imashokU [observer] said, "with dildodanceparty"deuces85: raises 152122 to 232122 and is all-inze_caiçara: calls 152122*** FLOP *** [Th 6s 5h]arnie_137 [observer] said, "lmao"imashokU [observer] said, "and noli me tanger"imashokU [observer] said, "e"Caiofan [observer] said, "seguraaa"*** TURN *** [Th 6s 5h] [4h]imashokU [observer] said, "lol"*** RIVER *** [Th 6s 5h 4h] [8d]J_Marcos [observer] said, "hold"*** SHOW DOWN ***deuces85: shows [Ad Kh] (high card Ace)ze_caiçara: shows [Qc Qh] (a pair of Queens)Caiofan [observer] said, "boaaaa"ze_caiçara collected 485244 from potarnie_137 [observer] said, "u guys partying or what"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 485244 | Rake 0 Board [Th 6s 5h 4h 8d]Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: NoraFlum folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: jwvdcw folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: deuces85 showed [Ad Kh] and lost with high card AceSeat 8: ze_caiçara (button) showed [Qc Qh] and won (485244) with a pair of QueensSeat 9: kokosha007 (small blind) folded before FlopHand #383PokerStars Game #15871826749: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:49:13 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #9 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (355043 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (584315 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (166517 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (1018724 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (478401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000SNo0oWMAN: posts small blind 5000NoraFlum: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [As 7s]J_Marcos [observer] said, "desossa !!!!!"TheGuerreiro [observer] said, "isssooooooooo"jwvdcw: raises 15000 to 25000TheGuerreiro [observer] said, "boraa ze"ze_caiçara: folds kokosha007: calls 25000SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: calls 15000*** FLOP *** [5d Jc 2h]imashokU [observer] said, "havent yet.."ze_caiçara said, "vamooo"NoraFlum: checks Ligeiro1972 [observer] said, "vamooooooooooooooooo"jwvdcw: checks kokosha007: bets 40000J_Marcos [observer] said, "vamooooooooooooooo"imashokU [observer] said, "noli is playing right now"arnie_137 [observer] said, "u going to school there or what?"NoraFlum: raises 60125 to 100125jwvdcw: folds arnie_137 [observer] said, "nice"kokosha007: folds imashokU [observer] said, ".25-.50 trying to teach ddp"NoraFlum collected 165000 from potNoraFlum: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 165000 | Rake 0 Board [5d Jc 2h]Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: NoraFlum (big blind) collected (165000)Seat 5: jwvdcw folded on the FlopSeat 8: ze_caiçara folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: kokosha007 (button) folded on the FlopHand #384PokerStars Game #15871837235: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:49:54 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (349043 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (683315 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (140517 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (1017724 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (412401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts small blind 5000jwvdcw: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [Js 7d]arnie_137 [observer] said, "lol nice"imashokU [observer] said, "no noli is"arnie_137 [observer] said, "on fulltilt?"ze_caiçara: folds kokosha007: raises 20000 to 30000imashokU [observer] said, "but hes leaving to come back by us"SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: folds jwvdcw: folds imashokU [observer] said, "yea"kokosha007 collected 30000 from potkokosha007: doesn't show hand arnie_137 [observer] said, "whats his screen name"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 30000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: NoraFlum (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: jwvdcw (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 8: ze_caiçara folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: kokosha007 collected (30000)Hand #385PokerStars Game #15871841459: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:50:11 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (348043 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (677315 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (129517 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (1016724 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (431401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts small blind 5000ze_caiçara: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [6h Jh]imashokU [observer] said, "noli me tangere"kokosha007: folds SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: folds jwvdcw: folds ze_caiçara collected 15000 from potze_caiçara: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 15000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: NoraFlum (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: jwvdcw (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 8: ze_caiçara (big blind) collected (15000)Seat 9: kokosha007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Hand #386PokerStars Game #15871844532: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:50:23 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (347043 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (676315 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (123517 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (1025724 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (430401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts small blind 5000kokosha007: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [7d Ad]jackt007 [observer] said, "nh LeeJones[host]: vaaaaaaammmmmooooooooo"SNo0oWMAN: raises 17500 to 27500NoraFlum: folds imashokU [observer] said, "showing chris how to play 50nl lol"jwvdcw: raises 95017 to 122517 and is all-inze_caiçara: folds kokosha007: folds SNo0oWMAN: calls 95017*** FLOP *** [9s 8d 2d]MarkFSU1 [observer] said, "3"*** TURN *** [9s 8d 2d] [Jd]*** RIVER *** [9s 8d 2d Jd] [Kd]*** SHOW DOWN ***SNo0oWMAN: shows [3s 3h] (a pair of Threes)jwvdcw: shows [7d Ad] (a flush, Ace high)jwvdcw collected 265034 from potjwvdcw said, "icy pots"arnie_137 [observer] said, "lol"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 265034 | Rake 0 Board [9s 8d 2d Jd Kd]Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN showed [3s 3h] and lost with a pair of ThreesSeat 2: NoraFlum folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: jwvdcw (button) showed [7d Ad] and won (265034) with a flush, Ace highSeat 8: ze_caiçara (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 9: kokosha007 (big blind) folded before FlopHand #387PokerStars Game #15871854457: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:51:02 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (223526 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (675315 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (265034 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (1019724 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (419401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts small blind 5000SNo0oWMAN: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [Qd 8d]NoraFlum: folds jwvdcw: folds arnie_137 [observer] said, "k"ze_caiçara: folds kokosha007: folds arnie_137 [observer] said, "whats the other guy at table screen name"SNo0oWMAN collected 15000 from potSNo0oWMAN: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 15000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN (big blind) collected (15000)Seat 2: NoraFlum folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: jwvdcw folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: ze_caiçara (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: kokosha007 (small blind) folded before FlopHand #388PokerStars Game #15871858908: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:51:19 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #9 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (232526 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (674315 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (264034 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (1018724 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (413401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000SNo0oWMAN: posts small blind 5000NoraFlum: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [5c 9c]jwvdcw: folds ze_caiçara: raises 20000 to 30000kokosha007: folds SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: folds ze_caiçara collected 30000 from potze_caiçara: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 30000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: NoraFlum (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: jwvdcw folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: ze_caiçara collected (30000)Seat 9: kokosha007 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Hand #389PokerStars Game #15871862996: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:51:35 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (226526 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (663315 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (263034 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (1037724 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (412401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts small blind 5000jwvdcw: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [Kc 3d]ze_caiçara: folds kokosha007: folds SNo0oWMAN: raises 15999 to 25999NoraFlum: folds jwvdcw: folds SNo0oWMAN collected 30000 from potSNo0oWMAN: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 30000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN (button) collected (30000)Seat 2: NoraFlum (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: jwvdcw (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 8: ze_caiçara folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: kokosha007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Hand #390PokerStars Game #15871868318: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:51:56 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (245526 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (657315 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (252034 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (1036724 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (411401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts small blind 5000ze_caiçara: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [As 6s]kokosha007: raises 20000 to 30000SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: folds jwvdcw: folds ze_caiçara: calls 20000*** FLOP *** [Kc 9d 9c]ze_caiçara: checks kokosha007: bets 25000imashokU [observer] said, "oh hes not playing too"ze_caiçara: folds kokosha007 collected 70000 from potkokosha007: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 70000 | Rake 0 Board [Kc 9d 9c]Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: NoraFlum (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: jwvdcw (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 8: ze_caiçara (big blind) folded on the FlopSeat 9: kokosha007 collected (70000)Hand #391PokerStars Game #15871877135: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:52:31 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (244526 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (656315 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (246034 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (1005724 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (450401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts small blind 5000kokosha007: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [Js 2h]imashokU [observer] said, "we r trying to teach chris (dildodance)"arnie_137 [observer] said, "ok"SNo0oWMAN: raises 15999 to 25999NoraFlum: folds jwvdcw: folds ze_caiçara: folds kokosha007: folds SNo0oWMAN collected 30000 from potimashokU [observer] said, "so hes just watching danny (noli) play"SNo0oWMAN: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 30000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN collected (30000)Seat 2: NoraFlum folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: jwvdcw (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: ze_caiçara (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 9: kokosha007 (big blind) folded before FlopHand #392PokerStars Game #15871882071: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:52:51 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (263526 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (655315 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (245034 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (999724 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (439401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts small blind 5000SNo0oWMAN: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [As 3c]NoraFlum: folds jwvdcw: folds ze_caiçara: raises 20000 to 30000arnie_137 [observer] said, "nice"kokosha007: folds SNo0oWMAN: folds ze_caiçara collected 30000 from potze_caiçara: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 30000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: NoraFlum folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: jwvdcw folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: ze_caiçara (button) collected (30000)Seat 9: kokosha007 (small blind) folded before FlopHand #393PokerStars Game #15871886291: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:53:07 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #9 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (252526 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (654315 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (244034 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (1018724 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (433401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000SNo0oWMAN: posts small blind 5000NoraFlum: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [6d Kc]jwvdcw: folds ze_caiçara: raises 30000 to 40000kokosha007: folds SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: folds arnie_137 [observer] said, "i love omaha"ze_caiçara collected 30000 from potze_caiçara: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 30000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: NoraFlum (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: jwvdcw folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: ze_caiçara collected (30000)Seat 9: kokosha007 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Hand #394PokerStars Game #15871890562: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:53:24 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (246526 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (643315 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (243034 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (1037724 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (432401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts small blind 5000jwvdcw: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [6h Jd]arnie_137 [observer] said, "so much more action its sick"ze_caiçara: folds kokosha007: raises 20000 to 30000SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: folds jwvdcw: folds kokosha007 collected 30000 from potkokosha007: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 30000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: NoraFlum (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: jwvdcw (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 8: ze_caiçara folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: kokosha007 collected (30000)Hand #395PokerStars Game #15871894388: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:53:39 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (245526 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (637315 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (232034 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (1036724 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (451401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1000NoraFlum: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1000kokosha007: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts small blind 5000ze_caiçara: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [Th 8s]kokosha007: folds imashokU [observer] said, "yea"SNo0oWMAN: raises 15999 to 25999NoraFlum: folds jwvdcw: folds ze_caiçara: folds SNo0oWMAN collected 30000 from potSNo0oWMAN: doesn't show hand arnie_137 [observer] said, "snowman is sick goo"arnie_137 [observer] said, "good"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 30000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN collected (30000)Seat 2: NoraFlum (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: jwvdcw (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 8: ze_caiçara (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 9: kokosha007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Hand #396PokerStars Game #15871972874: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXI (6000/12000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:58:58 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (264526 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (636315 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (226034 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (1025724 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (450401 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1200NoraFlum: posts the ante 1200jwvdcw: posts the ante 1200ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1200kokosha007: posts the ante 1200ze_caiçara: posts small blind 6000kokosha007: posts big blind 12000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [9h 8h]SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: raises 18125 to 30125jwvdcw: folds ze_caiçara: folds kokosha007: folds NoraFlum collected 36000 from potNoraFlum: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 36000 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: NoraFlum collected (36000)Seat 5: jwvdcw (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: ze_caiçara (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 9: kokosha007 (big blind) folded before FlopHand #397PokerStars Game #15871976869: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXI (6000/12000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:59:15 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (263326 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (659115 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (224834 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (1018524 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (437201 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1200NoraFlum: posts the ante 1200jwvdcw: posts the ante 1200ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1200kokosha007: posts the ante 1200kokosha007: posts small blind 6000SNo0oWMAN: posts big blind 12000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [Kh 2d]NoraFlum: raises 18125 to 30125jwvdcw: folds ze_caiçara: folds kokosha007: raises 41875 to 72000SNo0oWMAN: folds NoraFlum: folds kokosha007 collected 78250 from potkokosha007: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 78250 | Rake 0 Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: NoraFlum folded before FlopSeat 5: jwvdcw folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: ze_caiçara (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: kokosha007 (small blind) collected (78250)Hand #398PokerStars Game #15871984881: Tournament #79860951, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXI (6000/12000) - 2008/03/10 - 00:59:48 (ET)Table '79860951 41' 9-max Seat #9 is the buttonSeat 1: SNo0oWMAN (250126 in chips) Seat 2: NoraFlum (627790 in chips) Seat 5: jwvdcw (223634 in chips) Seat 8: ze_caiçara (1017324 in chips) Seat 9: kokosha007 (484126 in chips) SNo0oWMAN: posts the ante 1200NoraFlum: posts the ante 1200jwvdcw: posts the ante 1200ze_caiçara: posts the ante 1200kokosha007: posts the ante 1200SNo0oWMAN: posts small blind 6000NoraFlum: posts big blind 12000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [9s 9h]jwvdcw: raises 18000 to 30000ze_caiçara: folds kokosha007: folds malicous222 [observer] said, "lol @ 50 and above"SNo0oWMAN: raises 174000 to 204000NoraFlum: folds jwvdcw: raises 18434 to 222434 and is all-inSNo0oWMAN: calls 18434*** FLOP *** [5c 2h As]MarkFSU1 [observer] said, "hold"MarkFSU1 [observer] said, "hold"*** TURN *** [5c 2h As] [5s]*** RIVER *** [5c 2h As 5s] [6h]*** SHOW DOWN ***SNo0oWMAN: shows [Qs Qc] (two pair, Queens and Fives)jwvdcw: shows [9s 9h] (two pair, Nines and Fives)MarkFSU1 [observer] said, "boooom"SNo0oWMAN collected 462868 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 462868 | Rake 0 Board [5c 2h As 5s 6h]Seat 1: SNo0oWMAN (small blind) showed [Qs Qc] and won (462868) with two pair, Queens and FivesSeat 2: NoraFlum (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: jwvdcw showed [9s 9h] and lost with two pair, Nines and FivesSeat 8: ze_caiçara folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: kokosha007 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Hand #366 I folded A3s when the button pushed all in. This was a tough decision for me. I ended up being ahead of him, but BB had me dominated(although who knows...maybe BB would've folded if I called).Hand #367 I folded A6os on the button hand #369 I folded 8Ts in MP hand #378 I folded A3os UTG hand #383 I raised A7s and got two callers and check/folded when the flop totally missed me hand #386 I reraised all in with A7sHand #390 I folded A6s when UTG raisedhand #392 I folded A3os in EPhand #398 I got eliminated with 99 vs QQ

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Assani, when you get a chance can you give some basic pointers for pre-flop play in PLO? I believe I grasp the "general" strategy of post-flop play, but I am clueless pre-flop. Thanks.

RFW may be beter than me here, but basically play cards that coordinate. Four to a straight, high pairs, suited aces, etc. Be tight out of position and LAG in LP. Don't play hands that will get you into trouble with no redraws- for example a hand like 2266 sucks because when you flop bottom set and meet aggression you'll have no redraws and not know where you're at.
I understand this, but my problem lies with knowing what the correct raise is with the right hand. Is it any different than pre-flop play in HE though? Do you try to isolate one or two players? The reason I ask is in the few cash games I played usually the pre-flop play is weak loose and I feel like I rarely get good information on my opponents regardless of how I bet. I imagine I'm losing a lot of the pre-flop equity I could get and I tend to be hesitant with post-flop play then if I don't rock the flop. I'm guessing I should really memorize the rank of the possible starting hands as I'm somewhat hazy on the actual value of the hand I have. Definitely going to put your position tips into practice though.
I raise the pot preflop on any hand I'm going to play in which nobody has yet to raise.

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Alright, so I'm starting up a online PLO quest. I need a new challenge and I'm loving PLO these days. I'm gonna start at $1/2 on Stars. If I win 10 buy ins then I move up to $2/4. Win 10 buy ins and move up again, and so on and so on, hopefully all the way up to $25/50. I'll post interesting hands and give daily results. If I flame out and suck then I may quit after a few days, but I'm hopeful that I can learn to play the game well and beat it for some decent money. I'll be 4 tabling 6 max games.

One of the things I have learned about PLO is that many of the people at the table will be PLO specialists. As a result, I think the level of play is higher than at hold-em. This can be good as I often struggle against really bad players, but it can cut profits too.
I could end up totally sucking and losing money and this statement will look foolish, but I really think people suck at this game. They play it far too passively, don't bluff enough, don't make enough call downs when getting proper odds, etc. I feel as if I'm nearly always the most aggressive player at the table.
I have held this position for a long time. Many players play poorly and can be lumped into one of three categories:1)Passive sheep who fear the nuts all the time2)Hold 'em action players that overvalue all their holdings and don't understand the necessity of playing coordinated hands3) People that love to get all in with the nuts, but have no redraws and extremely vulnerable hands. Many huge pots are won by having the same nut straight as someone else but having redraw options.Best of luck Assani. Don't be in a huge rush to get into bigger limits. $5/10 Omaha is big big game.
agreed, I probably fall victim to #3 but I think I more than make up for it with my aggression. I've just been playing any draw ultra aggressively if I sense any weakness from my opponents whatsoever.
I like your play for the most part. I think you get a little too busy with marginal hands against unknown opponents. However, your aggressive style is particularly suited to pot limit, where you should be betting the pot a lot. Most people forget that if your bluffs/semibluffs work only fifty percent of the time, you would be doing fine even if you never stumbled into a winner. A lot of it just goes back to SuperSystem.Edit to add two things: I always preferred pot limit poker in general, because it seemed few people played it well, building pots then building hands. Most players where either limit players on training wheels before going to no limit, passively playing big draws heads up or no limit players waiting for a NL game, and always waiting to spring a trap. One thing I forgot to mention is that your betting in today's game makes you seem like a maniac. Back when I played, pot sized bets were pretty standard in both pot limit and no limit. Now it seems, the pot sized bet is used much less frequently- people seem to bet 1/3 to 2/3 of the pot much more frequently. I think that your pot sized bets get called down a lot by would be sheriff's looking to keep the maniac honest. Edited by rabidfireweasel

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I rule!

PokerStars Game #15891698937: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/03/10 - 21:38:51 (ET)

Table 'Kiviuq II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button

Seat 1: ClunkerDuds ($198.30 in chips)

Seat 3: ZapFlop ($120 in chips)

Seat 4: sekme ($201.95 in chips)

Seat 5: seethree ($706.25 in chips)

Seat 6: jwvdcw ($271 in chips)

seethree: posts small blind $1

jwvdcw: posts big blind $2

ZapFlop: posts big blind $2

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to jwvdcw [7d 7s Jd 4c]

ClunkerDuds: folds

ZapFlop: checks

Gakn29 leaves the table

sekme: folds

seethree: calls $1

jwvdcw: checks

*** FLOP *** [4s Ks Jc]

seethree: checks

jwvdcw: checks

ZapFlop: checks

*** TURN *** [4s Ks Jc] [4h]

seethree: checks

jwvdcw: checks

dmginsb joins the table at seat #2

ZapFlop: checks

*** RIVER *** [4s Ks Jc 4h] [Qh]

seethree: checks

jwvdcw: checks

ZapFlop: checks

*** SHOW DOWN ***

seethree: shows [Kc Kd 6h 2s] (a full house, Kings full of Fours)

jwvdcw: mucks hand

ZapFlop: mucks hand

seethree collected $5.70 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $6 | Rake $0.30

Board [4s Ks Jc 4h Qh]

Seat 1: ClunkerDuds folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 3: ZapFlop mucked [3s Qc 8c 9s]

Seat 4: sekme (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 5: seethree (small blind) showed [Kc Kd 6h 2s] and won ($5.70) with a full house, Kings full of Fours

Seat 6: jwvdcw (big blind) mucked [7d 7s Jd 4c]

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PokerStars Game #15891802609: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/03/10 - 21:43:19 (ET)

Table 'Kiviuq II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button

Seat 1: ClunkerDuds ($199 in chips)

Seat 2: dmginsb ($95 in chips)

Seat 3: ZapFlop ($108.50 in chips)

Seat 4: sekme ($192.95 in chips)

Seat 5: seethree ($754.05 in chips)

Seat 6: jwvdcw ($267 in chips)

ZapFlop: posts small blind $1

sekme: posts big blind $2

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to jwvdcw [Tc Ad 5s Ah]

seethree: calls $2

jwvdcw: raises $7 to $9

ClunkerDuds: calls $9

dmginsb: folds

ZapFlop: calls $8

sekme: folds

seethree: folds

*** FLOP *** [5h 2c Kh]

ZapFlop: checks

jwvdcw: bets $18

ClunkerDuds: folds

ZapFlop: calls $18

*** TURN *** [5h 2c Kh] [Th]

ZapFlop: checks

jwvdcw: bets $30

ZapFlop: calls $30

*** RIVER *** [5h 2c Kh Th] [4d]

ZapFlop: bets $2

jwvdcw: raises $54 to $56

ZapFlop: calls $49.50 and is all-in

*** SHOW DOWN ***

jwvdcw: shows [Tc Ad 5s Ah] (two pair, Tens and Fives)

ZapFlop: shows [3d As Qs 2h] (a straight, Ace to Five)

ZapFlop collected $227 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $230 | Rake $3

Board [5h 2c Kh Th 4d]

Seat 1: ClunkerDuds folded on the Flop

Seat 2: dmginsb (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 3: ZapFlop (small blind) showed [3d As Qs 2h] and won ($227) with a straight, Ace to Five

Seat 4: sekme (big blind) folded before Flop

Seat 5: seethree folded before Flop

Seat 6: jwvdcw showed [Tc Ad 5s Ah] and lost with two pair, Tens and Fives

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Assani, when you get a chance can you give some basic pointers for pre-flop play in PLO? I believe I grasp the "general" strategy of post-flop play, but I am clueless pre-flop. Thanks.

RFW may be beter than me here, but basically play cards that coordinate. Four to a straight, high pairs, suited aces, etc. Be tight out of position and LAG in LP. Don't play hands that will get you into trouble with no redraws- for example a hand like 2266 sucks because when you flop bottom set and meet aggression you'll have no redraws and not know where you're at.
I understand this, but my problem lies with knowing what the correct raise is with the right hand. Is it any different than pre-flop play in HE though? Do you try to isolate one or two players? The reason I ask is in the few cash games I played usually the pre-flop play is weak loose and I feel like I rarely get good information on my opponents regardless of how I bet. I imagine I'm losing a lot of the pre-flop equity I could get and I tend to be hesitant with post-flop play then if I don't rock the flop. I'm guessing I should really memorize the rank of the possible starting hands as I'm somewhat hazy on the actual value of the hand I have. Definitely going to put your position tips into practice though.
I raise the pot preflop on any hand I'm going to play in which nobody has yet to raise.
Amen. That raise gives you an unlimited range of hands postflop.

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Assani, when you get a chance can you give some basic pointers for pre-flop play in PLO? I believe I grasp the "general" strategy of post-flop play, but I am clueless pre-flop. Thanks.

RFW may be beter than me here, but basically play cards that coordinate. Four to a straight, high pairs, suited aces, etc. Be tight out of position and LAG in LP. Don't play hands that will get you into trouble with no redraws- for example a hand like 2266 sucks because when you flop bottom set and meet aggression you'll have no redraws and not know where you're at.
I understand this, but my problem lies with knowing what the correct raise is with the right hand. Is it any different than pre-flop play in HE though? Do you try to isolate one or two players? The reason I ask is in the few cash games I played usually the pre-flop play is weak loose and I feel like I rarely get good information on my opponents regardless of how I bet. I imagine I'm losing a lot of the pre-flop equity I could get and I tend to be hesitant with post-flop play then if I don't rock the flop. I'm guessing I should really memorize the rank of the possible starting hands as I'm somewhat hazy on the actual value of the hand I have. Definitely going to put your position tips into practice though.
I raise the pot preflop on any hand I'm going to play in which nobody has yet to raise.
Amen. That raise gives you an unlimited range of hands postflop.
I'll rarely if ever raise from the blinds(unless I'm BB and everyone folded to the SB who limped in which case I raise 99% of hte time). If someone before me raises, I'll flat call 95% of the time, I'll reraise with good AA hands.As for Woz's initial preflop question, I believe there are some point counting systems out there where if your hand is worth a certain number of points then its playable....google for those. But after a while you kinda get the hang of which hands flop well and which don't on your own. If anything, as RFW said, I play too many hands, but I think I can make up for that by postflop skill and by having position.edited to add: I've find live PLO almost impossible for me to play well because there I truly play WAY too many hands....its just so easy to play a hand when you have 4 cards and when its a slow moving live game. For that reason, I greatly prefer to play it online. Edited by Assani Fisher

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Assani, when you get a chance can you give some basic pointers for pre-flop play in PLO? I believe I grasp the "general" strategy of post-flop play, but I am clueless pre-flop. Thanks.

RFW may be beter than me here, but basically play cards that coordinate. Four to a straight, high pairs, suited aces, etc. Be tight out of position and LAG in LP. Don't play hands that will get you into trouble with no redraws- for example a hand like 2266 sucks because when you flop bottom set and meet aggression you'll have no redraws and not know where you're at.
I understand this, but my problem lies with knowing what the correct raise is with the right hand. Is it any different than pre-flop play in HE though? Do you try to isolate one or two players? The reason I ask is in the few cash games I played usually the pre-flop play is weak loose and I feel like I rarely get good information on my opponents regardless of how I bet. I imagine I'm losing a lot of the pre-flop equity I could get and I tend to be hesitant with post-flop play then if I don't rock the flop. I'm guessing I should really memorize the rank of the possible starting hands as I'm somewhat hazy on the actual value of the hand I have. Definitely going to put your position tips into practice though.
I agree with Assani, but in a full ring I think you have to be a bit snugger than he is in hand selection. Initial hand selection with redraw possibilities is a huge part of the game. A lot of it is just an extension of basic poker:Part 1:What kind of hand do you have, what is your position, and does your hand play better against multiple opponents or fewer opponents.Part 2: Decide if you want calls or folds with your bet, and make the highest bet that will likely yield that result. Generally in pot limit, you want to build pots early to a point where you can take them down on the flop/turn with a pot sized bet if you sense weakness and have position or any draw.Part 3: Learn your opponents tendencies as quickly as possible and manipulate them. One great thing about pot limit is how deceptive an image you can create. You can look like a total maniac because you are hammering away with pot sized bets and raises in uncontested (low contested) pots. What the less astute player doesn't realize is that you are willing to jump ship if you get played back at for deep money unless you have a very good hand/draw. Eventually they get sick of it, figure you can't have it all the time- and look you up with two pair when you are betting the pot on the river. PLO, if you have the discipline to maintain good starting hands, is IMO, the most profitable of all poker games. It is definitely worth learning.

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edited to add: I've find live PLO almost impossible for me to play well because there I truly play WAY too many hands....its just so easy to play a hand when you have 4 cards and when its a slow moving live game. For that reason, I greatly prefer to play it online.

You are not alone. I played most of my PLO live in Houston. I used to sometimes play in a 3 blind 1-2-5 game, and it was much much bigger than the 5-10 NL game. Tangent: While it is harder to put people on a hand preflop, it is often easier IMO to pick up tells live in Omaha. The reason is because people often have to look at the board and their hand and try to put it together. It is easier to read their reaction when they either have a hand, or a searching to find a hand.

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I rule!

PokerStars Game #15891698937: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/03/10 - 21:38:51 (ET)

Table 'Kiviuq II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button

Seat 1: ClunkerDuds ($198.30 in chips)

Seat 3: ZapFlop ($120 in chips)

Seat 4: sekme ($201.95 in chips)

Seat 5: seethree ($706.25 in chips)

Seat 6: jwvdcw ($271 in chips)

seethree: posts small blind $1

jwvdcw: posts big blind $2

ZapFlop: posts big blind $2

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to jwvdcw [7d 7s Jd 4c]

ClunkerDuds: folds

ZapFlop: checks

Gakn29 leaves the table

sekme: folds

seethree: calls $1

jwvdcw: checks

*** FLOP *** [4s Ks Jc]

seethree: checks

jwvdcw: checks

ZapFlop: checks

*** TURN *** [4s Ks Jc] [4h]

seethree: checks

jwvdcw: checks

dmginsb joins the table at seat #2

ZapFlop: checks

*** RIVER *** [4s Ks Jc 4h] [Qh]

seethree: checks

jwvdcw: checks

ZapFlop: checks

*** SHOW DOWN ***

seethree: shows [Kc Kd 6h 2s] (a full house, Kings full of Fours)

jwvdcw: mucks hand

ZapFlop: mucks hand

seethree collected $5.70 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $6 | Rake $0.30

Board [4s Ks Jc 4h Qh]

Seat 1: ClunkerDuds folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 3: ZapFlop mucked [3s Qc 8c 9s]

Seat 4: sekme (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 5: seethree (small blind) showed [Kc Kd 6h 2s] and won ($5.70) with a full house, Kings full of Fours

Seat 6: jwvdcw (big blind) mucked [7d 7s Jd 4c]

You Luckbox!

I'm not ready to write up a full article on Doyles Room, but I can say this. There are few players here and most of them are low limit. With that being said - most of the play is very amatureish. If your looking for something easy, this is a great site.

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edited to add: I've find live PLO almost impossible for me to play well because there I truly play WAY too many hands....its just so easy to play a hand when you have 4 cards and when its a slow moving live game. For that reason, I greatly prefer to play it online.

You are not alone. I played most of my PLO live in Houston. I used to sometimes play in a 3 blind 1-2-5 game, and it was much much bigger than the 5-10 NL game. Tangent: While it is harder to put people on a hand preflop, it is often easier IMO to pick up tells live in Omaha. The reason is because people often have to look at the board and their hand and try to put it together. It is easier to read their reaction when they either have a hand, or a searching to find a hand.
:confused: I love playing Omaha live with recreational players because you can see them counting their draws and straights.

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meh, losing a bit now....down to +$1100 on the day....would really like to get to $2/4 by tomorrow.

seriously, those monetary swings are wild... i definitely know unless i had a huge ### roll and played well below my means i couldn't handle it. my hat is off to you

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wow, I run wellPokerStars Game #15885111393: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/03/10 - 16:59:00 (ET)Table 'Galilea IV' 6-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: Stara78 ($251.40 in chips) Seat 2: jwvdcw ($227.35 in chips) Seat 3: dirmic88 ($201.95 in chips) Seat 4: takeitdown2 ($101.60 in chips) Seat 5: BalticBi ($374.25 in chips) Seat 6: Miros ($202.95 in chips) dirmic88: posts small blind $1takeitdown2: posts big blind $2*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [9d 9c Ts Qc]BalticBi: calls $2Miros: folds Stara78: folds jwvdcw: raises $7 to $9dirmic88: calls $8takeitdown2: folds BalticBi: calls $7*** FLOP *** [9s Ks 4d]dirmic88: checks BalticBi: checks jwvdcw: bets $22dirmic88: folds BalticBi: raises $71.55 to $93.55jwvdcw: raises $124.80 to $218.35 and is all-inBalticBi: calls $124.80*** TURN *** [9s Ks 4d] [Jc]*** RIVER *** [9s Ks 4d Jc] [6s]*** SHOW DOWN ***BalticBi: shows [2h Kd Kc 4h] (three of a kind, Kings)jwvdcw: shows [9d 9c Ts Qc] (a straight, Nine to King)jwvdcw collected $462.70 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $465.70 | Rake $3 Board [9s Ks 4d Jc 6s]Seat 1: Stara78 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: jwvdcw (button) showed [9d 9c Ts Qc] and won ($462.70) with a straight, Nine to KingSeat 3: dirmic88 (small blind) folded on the FlopSeat 4: takeitdown2 (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: BalticBi showed [2h Kd Kc 4h] and lost with three of a kind, KingsSeat 6: Miros folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Can be tough when you are used to holdem, but 2nd set isn't that strong a hand. I think I would have folded unless I had a read that this guy would throw a big raise with something weak. Nice result anyhow.
The fact that I had been so aggressive impacted my decision a lot. I felt that he definitely would've stood up to me with bottom set given how I've been playing. Then the 4 gutshot outs made it a call imo. I do agree with you that smaller sets are huge trouble spots at times though.
Hand history can change things.

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meh, losing a bit now....down to +$1100 on the day....would really like to get to $2/4 by tomorrow.

seriously, those monetary swings are wild... i definitely know unless i had a huge ### roll and played well below my means i couldn't handle it. my hat is off to you
really? Because I'm bored out of my mind playing this low right now, but like I said I want to do things the right way and make sure I'm a solid winning PLO player at each level before moving up.

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bad session, only up $731 on day now, taking a nap then playing later tonight probably

Huh?!? Assani running bad? no way....:coffee:

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bad session, only up $731 on day now, taking a nap then playing later tonight probably

Huh?!? Assani running bad? no way....:coffee:
If running bad is +$731 a day then what is running good?

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