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Gah. GL.1st - 19,0002nd - 11,000Elaborate.I just read the payouts for this.
Holy crap.
Seriously.
3rd - 7,000
Gah. GL.1st - 19,0002nd - 11,000Elaborate.I just read the payouts for this.
Holy crap.
Seriously.
3rd - 7,000
He was the 1st person eliminated.why can carlton chat, and I'm not allowed? did carly buy in?
Do you have enough money in your Stars account?Also, you should've bet the river there jw, obviously.why can carlton chat, and I'm not allowed? did carly buy in?
And Tom Brady, look off that safety next time.Also, you should've bet the river there jw, obviously.
yeah...if we had slightly deeper stacks I would've, but it would've been very costly if he was a calling station with a pair of aces there. Believe me, I considered it. You're right though. Kicking myself now.Do you have enough money in your Stars account?Also, you should've bet the river there jw, obviously.why can carlton chat, and I'm not allowed? did carly buy in?
Sometimes it's meant to be misinformation.A player who bluffs a lot may show down solid hands to create the impression that he's just catching good cards, or a conservative player may show down a big bluff so his value bets aren't respected.Why in the hell would you give free information away with nearly 20k at stake? Am I just missing something here? What was the point of the short-stacked player revealing his pocket queens?
I gotta be missing something.
I didn't see the offer. Not sure if I would've taken it or not. I think that my experience playing deep in these tourneys gives me a huge advantage over other players(not that you would be able to tell by my terrible play tonight though). I might've considered it though....not really sure. I'm very disappointed in my play though...thats for sure. I had a ton of fortunate breaks tonight, and I really didn't take advantage of them by messing up so much once we got to the final 3.BTW, its a "no brainer" to most people because the stakes are so much higher than what they are used to playing and they want to play it safe. Thats just not my style...I've been in these situations before, I've sat down in a series of $5000 heads up matches, I recently played in a $10K buy in event. Now don't get me wrong- $13K is still a huge chunk of change to me...I'm just saying that its not an "intimidating" amount to me.quick question:
you 3 were all at relatively even stacks at one point and the other 2 guys were willing to do an even chop which would have meant ~$13,000 for everybody. you were silent. did you not see the offer or did you not want to chop?
seemed like a no-brainer to me.
www.thepokerdb.combtw, anyone remember the url for that site that shows a player's history of getting in the money at all PokerStar's tourneys?
If anyone's curious:Northerngent (guy who knocked out Assani) has 190K in careeer PS Tourney winnings.www.thepokerdb.combtw, anyone remember the url for that site that shows a player's history of getting in the money at all PokerStar's tourneys?
but, in this case1st paid like $19k, 2nd paid $12k, and 3rd paid $7I didn't see the offer. Not sure if I would've taken it or not. I think that my experience playing deep in these tourneys gives me a huge advantage over other players(not that you would be able to tell by my terrible play tonight though). I might've considered it though....not really sure. I'm very disappointed in my play though...thats for sure. I had a ton of fortunate breaks tonight, and I really didn't take advantage of them by messing up so much once we got to the final 3.BTW, its a "no brainer" to most people because the stakes are so much higher than what they are used to playing and they want to play it safe. Thats just not my style...I've been in these situations before, I've sat down in a series of $5000 heads up matches, I recently played in a $10K buy in event. Now don't get me wrong- $13K is still a huge chunk of change to me...I'm just saying that its not an "intimidating" amount to me.quick question:
you 3 were all at relatively even stacks at one point and the other 2 guys were willing to do an even chop which would have meant ~$13,000 for everybody. you were silent. did you not see the offer or did you not want to chop?
seemed like a no-brainer to me.
I would chop under any one of the following circumstances:-I'm getting a good deal(more money than my stack indicates I should get)but, in this case1st paid like $19k, 2nd paid $12k, and 3rd paid $7I didn't see the offer. Not sure if I would've taken it or not. I think that my experience playing deep in these tourneys gives me a huge advantage over other players(not that you would be able to tell by my terrible play tonight though). I might've considered it though....not really sure. I'm very disappointed in my play though...thats for sure. I had a ton of fortunate breaks tonight, and I really didn't take advantage of them by messing up so much once we got to the final 3.BTW, its a "no brainer" to most people because the stakes are so much higher than what they are used to playing and they want to play it safe. Thats just not my style...I've been in these situations before, I've sat down in a series of $5000 heads up matches, I recently played in a $10K buy in event. Now don't get me wrong- $13K is still a huge chunk of change to me...I'm just saying that its not an "intimidating" amount to me.quick question:
you 3 were all at relatively even stacks at one point and the other 2 guys were willing to do an even chop which would have meant ~$13,000 for everybody. you were silent. did you not see the offer or did you not want to chop?
seemed like a no-brainer to me.
so, a guaranteed $13k day is better than finishing 2nd. even if you think you're better than these guys and aren't as influenced by the monetary amount as others...you still have to avoid any bad beats and probably get some good luck to win this event at that point. as things worked out, you could have nearly doubled your winnings by taking the deal.
I wish you had won so this wouldn't look like second guessing after the fact. I figured you were pretty confident in your chances and after the money you've made in the past couple days, this doesn't look like as much as it would to most people. Still, a great job to finish in 3rd. No reason to be too upset with your play.
would this info have influenced your decision?I would chop under any one of the following circumstances:
-I have some reason to believe that I am not the best player remaining
If anyone's curious:
Northerngent (guy who knocked out Assani) has 190K in careeer PS Tourney winnings.
The other guy, reraiseallin, has 6K. Looked like mostly NL events for both.
Eh. I dunno. The 6K doesn't impress me all that much- if you look at it, it was mostly at lower buy ins. The 190K is obviously impressive. I think I'm too arrogant to chop though....I'll be honest- I think very highly of my game. In fact, I think that held me back for a long time in becoming a better poker player(go look up some early threads under "jwvdcw" where I seemed to rather be right than to learn). So I don't know if my ego would allow me to admit that some unknown guy playing online is better than me(surely I could admit that a known pro is).My total stats aren't that impressive because I just started recently playing on Stars. But if you look at my recent results, I think they'd stack up against anyone:would this info have influenced your decision?I would chop under any one of the following circumstances:
-I have some reason to believe that I am not the best player remainingIf anyone's curious:
Northerngent (guy who knocked out Assani) has 190K in careeer PS Tourney winnings.
The other guy, reraiseallin, has 6K. Looked like mostly NL events for both.
I'm pretty sure he's played to be the weekly TLB leader before, and that requires playing a lot of tournaments at different buyins.Ok...I'm relooking over northerngent's tourney results, and I must say that I am very impressed. I'm a bit confused as to why he mixes such small tourneys like $3 ones in with the big ones(and that leads me to believe that he is playing in a ton of them), but his results are phenomenal. Very hard for me to put forth an argument that I'm a strong MTT player than him after looking at that.
when did I do this?lol at you using the min raise.
I thought I saw one when you were the big stack with 2 tables left I think. I may have just looked at it wrong.when did I do this?lol at you using the min raise.
Cuz they were soooooooooooted. I see it all the time.Wow. Extremely lucky here, but how the hell does he call with A-10 when we're 2 spots away from the money??
PokerStars Game #3888934237: Tournament #19224705, Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2006/02/06 - 23:46:15 (ET)
Table '19224705 24' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: conns (10787 in chips)
Seat 2: nightman1234 (9410 in chips)
Seat 3: drbob0008 (11853 in chips)
Seat 5: jwvdcw (28756 in chips)
Seat 6: cousinvny (10796 in chips)
Seat 7: bl13174 (25276 in chips)
Seat 8: maauuut (12199 in chips)
conns: posts the ante 50
nightman1234: posts the ante 50
drbob0008: posts the ante 50
jwvdcw: posts the ante 50
cousinvny: posts the ante 50
bl13174: posts the ante 50
maauuut: posts the ante 50
drbob0008: posts small blind 400
jwvdcw: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jwvdcw [4d Kh]
cousinvny: calls 800
bl13174: folds
maauuut: folds
conns: folds
nightman1234: folds
drbob0008: calls 400
jwvdcw: raises 27906 to 28706 and is all-in
RingLord is connected
cousinvny: calls 9946 and is all-in
drbob0008: folds
cousinvny said, "gg"
cousinvny said, "jw"
*** FLOP *** [6s Ks 7h]
*** TURN *** [6s Ks 7h] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [6s Ks 7h Kd] [Ac]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jwvdcw: shows [4d Kh] (three of a kind, Kings)
cousinvny: shows [Ts As] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
I lost 30 cents.I won $50 today. I feel absolutely pathetic.
This is absolutely ridiculous. Seriously.Very impressive start, jwvdcw. You're crushing the pace for that 100k.
For those who aren't checking the front page, it's in the first post:
4 days
+$17,686
Average: +$4421/day
Sorry for not letting this hand go. You are playing very profitable right now, so take my advice with a grain of salt, but calling here should set up your better down the road. Aside from the pot odds you are getting, calling here makes him consider firing another round on the turn. This is what you want to setup for $200. He would need to bet at least 1/2 the pot which would be more than $500. This is the choice you want to be in. He needs to know you will call him with position and force him to put more of his chips out in the middle. Him knowing he cant put you off pots when you have position is the key. He needs to know that if he CRs you, you will infact force him to put more money in the middle even if you are drawing to hands. This should garuntee you $500 more each time you are in this poisition. - looking forward to reading more todayI don't think I had a loose image really yet. I think his raise with someone still to act is a very powerful move. I don't think its very likely that all 6 of my potential outs were live. I understand his move if he thinks that I'm trying to by the pot there with a continuation bet. If hes going to do that then I'll crush him when I have a legit hand by smooth calling there and letting him fire again on the turn before I come over the top, and he'll start to think twice about that move. In the meantime, I think I'll wait for a better opportunity.Well, here is my thought process:You are on the button, V1 in the SB and V2 in MP. V2 limps, you raise ~5BB from the cutoff, V1 and V2 call. ~15BB in the middleactually I think I was mistaken. You're right...he did min. raise. I think a set is possible here. I think hes firing on the turn and I'm going to be in a tough spot. I think I'm beat and I don't know how badly, and he is the aggressor...I don't like this spot.Makes much more sense now.Still pretty ballzy unless he has a heck of a read on you. With 1 left to act and raising 400 more, JJ-AA. A set should not play that fast.He didn't min. raise...he made it $600Why not 3-bet this flop? What do you put him on, set? Board is 3-suited, you do have runner club outs. The pot is offering almost 5-1 on a call to see a club come on the turn. Do you think an A or K doesnt win it for you? What does he put you on?His min-raise makes me think he is also on overcards. A set should call you here and bet the turn. I would love to see his cards, I bet AQ or AK.Day 4
2/6/06
Not a good start.
***** Hand History for Game 3505416986 *****
$2000 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, February 05, 17:25:11 EDT 2006
Table Table 64794 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Im__Your_ATM ( $1508 )
Seat 2: gambler2551 ( $917 )
Seat 3: krames44 ( $2084.50 )
Seat 6: misterB65 ( $1193 )
Seat 8: shaban ( $2465 )
Seat 9: ih8luckyfish ( $2447 )
Seat 10: royalflush61 ( $597 )
Seat 5: AssaniFisher ( $1900 )
Seat 4: DaringDuck ( $1970 )
AssaniFisher posts small blind [$10].
misterB65 posts big blind [$20].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AssaniFisher [ Ac Kc ]
shaban raises [$40].
ih8luckyfish folds.
royalflush61 folds.
Im__Your_ATM folds.
gambler2551 folds.
>You have options at Table 68514 (No DP) Table!.
krames44 folds.
DaringDuck folds.
>You have options at Table 67619 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 67619 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 68514 (No DP) Table!.
AssaniFisher raises [$115].
misterB65 calls [$105].
>You have options at Table 67619 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 66082 (No DP) Table!.
shaban calls [$85].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, 2c, 7s ]
>You have options at Table 67619 (No DP) Table!.
AssaniFisher bets [$200].
>You have options at Table 68514 (No DP) Table!.
misterB65 raises [$400].
shaban folds.
AssaniFisher folds.
misterB65 does not show cards.
misterB65 wins $972
(~15BB) T 7 2 rainbow. Texture of flop is that is missed everyone. Checked to you the raiser and you put out 2/3 of the pot continuation bet. You probably make continuation bets 99% of the time when you are the PF raiser.
V1 knows you dont have a flush draw. He doesnt know how much you like your hand. I would guess he puts you about 1/3 to be a complete bluff, 1/3 to be drawing, and 1/3 to a made hand. I read his min-raise as "how much do you like your hand?" Raising into V2 is weird, which makes me think he is trying to get you HU and does not have a set. Would you play a set like this?
Its 10BB to you, there is ~45BB in the middle giving you just about 5-1 to make a call. If a club does come, you are ~4-1 to hit it again on the river. Will he bet more the 1/4 of the pot on the turn with you calling his CR? Your flush would be hidden well.
The 3-bet would be if you think he is trying to put you off your hand. What would the chances be of him folding? For me, if I have a strong hand, I always wants to give my opponent a chance to put more chips in the middle. A 3-bet would be advertising AA-KK, again I would play a set slower.
In the end with the texture of the flop, your 5BB raise PF, you having position against a CR with t72R flop ... I think you have the best hand. I dont know your opponent, maybe you had a read on him. I dont like a fold here though, not with what the pot is offering you and possibly 6 more outs with AK.
Did V1 have any image? Were you able to pick up anything 4-tabling? I would imagine your image was one of trying to steal the blinds from the button more than 25% of the time. Do you think he would call 4BB from the SB with AT?
Very impressive start, jwvdcw. You're crushing the pace for that 100k.
For those who aren't checking the front page, it's in the first post:
4 days
+$17,686
Average: +$4421/day