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4 years ago I had my best run in my sports book ever. I was in France at the time and got tip after tip from the people working there. This is an event that can be had. The books have a hard time getting a feel for all the teams whose players turnover so often.

The odds can get hung up on past performance quite a bit when the last event for most of this competition was 2 years ago.

If you've got something in your bag I'd like to hear it.

I made the most $$$ on 1/2 finishes in groups. Those pay so well it's hard not to sprinkle 2 or three per group like a horse race box.

Even if you don't have a gambling account come help your GB degenerates out. OK?

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what time will most of these games be on TV here?

I saw that the first game is on at 8am Eastern on Saturday. Will most be that early or will we at least get some afternoon games?

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what time will most of these games be on TV here?

I saw that the first game is on at 8am Eastern on Saturday. Will most be that early or will we at least get some afternoon games?

I've been trying to find a US TV schedule as well.

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I made the most $$$ on 1/2 finishes in groups. Those pay so well it's hard not to sprinkle 2 or three per group like a horse race box.

Could you explain this more? I just lost money on a spelling bee and figure soccer can't be much worse.

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I made the most $$$ on 1/2 finishes in groups. Those pay so well it's hard not to sprinkle 2 or three per group like a horse race box.

Could you explain this more? I just lost money on a spelling bee and figure soccer can't be much worse.

They divide up the teams into groups of four (so I'm told). The top 2 finishers in those groups go on. So you would pick the 1st and 2nd finishers in that order for any of the groups.

i.e. you could pick US 1st Italy 2nd in their group and that pays out +???. These can be quite lucrative.

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I made the most $$$ on 1/2 finishes in groups.  Those pay so well it's hard not to sprinkle 2 or three per group like a horse race box.

Could you explain this more? I just lost money on a spelling bee and figure soccer can't be much worse.

They divide up the teams into groups of four (so I'm told). The top 2 finishers in those groups go on. So you would pick the 1st and 2nd finishers in that order for any of the groups.

i.e. you could pick US 1st Italy 2nd in their group and that pays out +???. These can be quite lucrative.

Group Exacta Forecasts

Fri 6/9 Group A. Must finish in exact order.

09:00 AM

9001 Germany 1st, Costa Rica 2nd +974

9002 Germany 1st, Poland 2nd +113

9003 Germany 1st, Ecuador 2nd +379

9004 Costa Rica 1st, Germany 2nd +2521

9005 Costa Rica 1st, Poland 2nd +2965

9006 Costa Rica 1st, Ecuador 2nd +7550

9007 Poland 1st, Germany 2nd +519

9008 Poland 1st, Costa Rica 2nd +2630

9009 Poland 1st, Ecuador 2nd +1231

9010 Ecuador 1st, Germany 2nd +1231

9011 Ecuador 1st, Costa Rica 2nd +4337

9012 Ecuador 1st, Poland 2nd +2084

Fri 6/9 Group B. Must finish in exact order.

09:00 AM

9013 England 1st, Paraguay 2nd +375

9014 England 1st, Trinidad & Tobago 2nd +2210

9015 England 1st, Sweden 2nd +142

9016 Paraguay 1st, England 2nd +901

9017 Paraguay 1st, Trinidad & Tobago 2nd +6681

9018 Paraguay 1st, Sweden 2nd +1605

9019 Trinidad & Tobago 1st, England 2nd +5046

9020 Trinidad & Tobago 1st, Paraguay 2nd +15420

9021 Trinidad & Tobago 1st, Sweden 2nd +10187

9022 Sweden 1st, England 2nd +275

9023 Sweden 1st, Paraguay 2nd +1102

9024 Sweden 1st, Trinidad & Tobago 2nd +4030

Fri 6/9 Group C. Must finish in exact order.

09:00 AM

9025 Argentina 1st, Côte d'Ivoire 2nd +850

9026 Argentina 1st, Serbia and Montenegro 2nd +850

9027 Argentina 1st, Netherlands 2nd +227

9028 Côte d'Ivoire 1st, Argentina 2nd +1501

9029 Côte d'Ivoire 1st , Serbia and Montenegro 2nd +3305

9030 Côte d'Ivoire 1st, Netherlands 2nd +2002

9031 Serbia and Montenegro 1st, Argentina 2nd +1501

9032 Serbia and Montenegro 1st, Côte d'Ivoire 2nd +3305

9033 Serbia and Montenegro 1st, Netherlands 2nd +2002

9034 Netherlands 1st, Argentina 2nd +228

9035 Netherlands 1st, Côte d'Ivoire 2nd +1201

9036 Netherlands 1st, Serbia and Montenegro 2nd +1201

Fri 6/9 Group D. Must finish in exact order.

09:00 AM

9037 Mexico 1st, Iran 2nd +1006

9038 Mexico 1st, Angola 2nd +1512

9039 Mexico 1st, Portugal 2nd +236

9040 Iran 1st, Mexico 2nd +2020

9041 Iran 1st, Angola 2nd +5121

9042 Iran 1st, Portugal 2nd +1512

9043 Angola 1st, Mexico 2nd +2531

9044 Angola 1st, Iran 2nd +6809

9045 Angola 1st, Portugal 2nd +2224

9046 Portugal 1st, Mexico 2nd +153

9047 Portugal 1st, Iran 2nd +803

9048 Portugal 1st, Angola 2nd +1006

Fri 6/9 Group E. Must finish in exact order.

09:00 AM

9049 Italy 1st, Ghana 2nd +1036

9050 Italy 1st, USA 2nd +637

9051 Italy 1st, Czech Republic 2nd +172

9052 Ghana 1st, Italy 2nd +2198

9053 Ghana 1st, USA 2nd +5913

9054 Ghana 1st, Czech Republic 2nd +2717

9055 USA 1st, Italy 2nd +1254

9056 USA 1st, Ghana 2nd +4294

9057 USA 1st, Czech Republic 2nd +2139

9058 Czech Republic 1st, Italy 2nd +265

9059 Czech Republic 1st, Ghana 2nd +1612

9060 Czech Republic 1st, USA 2nd +1014

Fri 6/9 Group F. Must finish in exact order.

09:00 AM

9061 Brazil 1st, Croatia 2nd +100

9062 Brazil 1st, Australia 2nd +324

9063 Brazil 1st, Japan 2nd +449

9064 Croatia 1st, Brazil 2nd +598

9065 Croatia 1st, Australia 2nd +5467

9066 Croatia 1st, Japan 2nd +5067

9067 Australia 1st, Brazil 2nd +2035

9068 Australia 1st, Croatia 2nd +5467

9069 Australia 1st, Japan 2nd +6796

9070 Japan 1st, Brazil 2nd +2279

9071 Japan 1st, Croatia 2nd +5379

9072 Japan 1st, Australia 2nd +6796

Fri 6/9 Group G. Must finish in exact order.

09:00 AM

9073 France 1st, Switzerland 2nd +100

9074 France 1st, South Korea 2nd +401

9075 France 1st, Togo 2nd +702

9076 Switzerland 1st, France 2nd +442

9077 Switzerland 1st, South Korea 2nd +2012

9078 Switzerland 1st, Togo 2nd +3334

9079 South Korea 1st, France 2nd +1508

9080 South Korea 1st, Switzerland 2nd +3334

9081 South Korea 1st, Togo 2nd +8195

9082 Togo 1st, France 2nd +2519

9083 Togo 1st, Switzerland 2nd +6733

9084 Togo 1st, South Korea 2nd +10199

Fri 6/9 Group H. Must finish in exact order.

09:00 AM

9085 Spain 1st, Ukraine 2nd -111

9086 Spain 1st, Tunisia 2nd +504

9087 Spain 1st, Saudi Arabia 2nd +1004

9088 Ukraine 1st, Spain 2nd +292

9089 Ukraine 1st, Tunisia 2nd +1507

9090 Ukraine 1st, Saudi Arabia 2nd +2521

9091 Tunisia 1st, Spain 2nd +1597

9092 Tunisia 1st, Ukraine 2nd +3335

9093 Tunisia 1st, Saudi Arabia 2nd +20000

9094 Saudi Arabia 1st, Spain 2nd +5080

9095 Saudi Arabia 1st, Ukraine 2nd +8205

9096 Saudi Arabia 1st Tunisia 2nd +25000

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What about the Dutch and the Argies boxed?

Looks good to me, but I know nothing. :help:

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What about the Dutch and the Argies boxed?

Looks good to me, but I know nothing. :help:

Ivory Coast is my upset special in Group C.

I think both Holland and Argentina are overrated, but I also know nothing.

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I made the most $$$ on 1/2 finishes in groups.  Those pay so well it's hard not to sprinkle 2 or three per group like a horse race box.

Could you explain this more? I just lost money on a spelling bee and figure soccer can't be much worse.

:lmao:

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Seriously can someone who knows soccer break this down? I think MP followed this stuff.

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Seriously can someone who knows soccer break this down? I think MP followed this stuff.

Much easier said than done. The problem with the World Cup is that most of these players hardly ever play together. They are all all-star teams. I played a few bets to win the WC about 2 months back, and was on Germany +880 and England +940. I still like those bets, even with Rooney questionable for the English. Brazil gets a ton of public money, and rightfully so, however, they are so susceptible to the counter attack, I think they could get beat by a careful defensive team. I think there are about 6 teams that have a chance of winning it all, and I don't think World rankigns are at all accurate or worth looking at.

I'll be watching these games, but will probably lay off the opening round action altogether, maybe just a few plays on who wins each bracket.

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Seriously can someone who knows soccer break this down? I think MP followed this stuff.

Much easier said than done. The problem with the World Cup is that most of these players hardly ever play together. They are all all-star teams. I played a few bets to win the WC about 2 months back, and was on Germany +880 and England +940. I still like those bets, even with Rooney questionable for the English. Brazil gets a ton of public money, and rightfully so, however, they are so susceptible to the counter attack, I think they could get beat by a careful defensive team. I think there are about 6 teams that have a chance of winning it all, and I don't think World rankigns are at all accurate or worth looking at.

I'll be watching these games, but will probably lay off the opening round action altogether, maybe just a few plays on who wins each bracket.

This is precisely why you can just about murder this sport. You just have to have the info to pull it off. A GB of mine is banging a chick from Brazil. His dad is going to get back to my GB with a full report. Will update with that.

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Seriously can someone who knows soccer break this down? I think MP followed this stuff.

Much easier said than done. The problem with the World Cup is that most of these players hardly ever play together. They are all all-star teams. I played a few bets to win the WC about 2 months back, and was on Germany +880 and England +940. I still like those bets, even with Rooney questionable for the English. Brazil gets a ton of public money, and rightfully so, however, they are so susceptible to the counter attack, I think they could get beat by a careful defensive team. I think there are about 6 teams that have a chance of winning it all, and I don't think World rankigns are at all accurate or worth looking at.

I'll be watching these games, but will probably lay off the opening round action altogether, maybe just a few plays on who wins each bracket.

This is precisely why you can just about murder this sport. You just have to have the info to pull it off. A GB of mine is banging a chick from Brazil. His dad is going to get back to my GB with a full report. Will update with that.

:pics: of the chic from Brazil

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Seriously can someone who knows soccer break this down? I think MP followed this stuff.

Much easier said than done. The problem with the World Cup is that most of these players hardly ever play together. They are all all-star teams. I played a few bets to win the WC about 2 months back, and was on Germany +880 and England +940. I still like those bets, even with Rooney questionable for the English. Brazil gets a ton of public money, and rightfully so, however, they are so susceptible to the counter attack, I think they could get beat by a careful defensive team. I think there are about 6 teams that have a chance of winning it all, and I don't think World rankigns are at all accurate or worth looking at.

I'll be watching these games, but will probably lay off the opening round action altogether, maybe just a few plays on who wins each bracket.

This is precisely why you can just about murder this sport. You just have to have the info to pull it off. A GB of mine is banging a chick from Brazil. His dad is going to get back to my GB with a full report. Will update with that.

:pics: of the chic from Brazil

:lmao:

know nothing about world cup soccer but willing to gamble on it :bag:

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Seriously can someone who knows soccer break this down? I think MP followed this stuff.

Yeah, big soccer fan here and I'll be watching all the games. I can't wait. I browsed Pinny a few times to look at some lines. I'll look and see what I can come up with.

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Seriously can someone who knows soccer break this down? I think MP followed this stuff.

Much easier said than done. The problem with the World Cup is that most of these players hardly ever play together. They are all all-star teams. I played a few bets to win the WC about 2 months back, and was on Germany +880 and England +940. I still like those bets, even with Rooney questionable for the English. Brazil gets a ton of public money, and rightfully so, however, they are so susceptible to the counter attack, I think they could get beat by a careful defensive team. I think there are about 6 teams that have a chance of winning it all, and I don't think World rankigns are at all accurate or worth looking at.

I'll be watching these games, but will probably lay off the opening round action altogether, maybe just a few plays on who wins each bracket.

This is precisely why you can just about murder this sport. You just have to have the info to pull it off. A GB of mine is banging a chick from Brazil. His dad is going to get back to my GB with a full report. Will update with that.

:pics: of the chic from Brazil

I get help. You get pics.

Deal?

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Bets I like:

Brazil to not win WC -269 - Brazil has all the talent in the world. The list goes on an on - Kaka, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Cafu, Adriano. Their 2nd team could beat most top teams in the world. But, like Guru said, they don't play much defense and quite frankly I don't blame them because offensively they have so much firepower. I'd lay the chalk here. Not a big fan of the bet, but like it.

I'm not a fan of Germany, although playing on home soil will be HUGE.

I like France +1357 to win it all. Decent value here as they have the players to make a run. They have the world's best striker in Thierry Henry, who's as smooth as silk. They also have Zidane to distribute and have a couple more strikers capable of stepping up and leading this tournament in goals if things break right. I also like the fact their group is soft, so they won't have any problem advancing.

If you wanna lay vig Kaka to not score the most goals +.5 -11500 is a solid bet. First of all, he won't take their penalties as Ronaldinho or Ronaldo will - likely Ronaldinho. Also, he only score like four goals this year for his club team AC Milan. He's a setup man, not a scorer.

England Under 6.5 pts -122 - I don't think they will get more than 7 pts in group play. First of all, I believe Rooney is out for the first two games of the group stage. Second, their group is tough to me - Paraguay and Sweden are tough teams that actually may win the group. They will beat Trinidad, but then have to win and tie the other two. Any loss and this bet is cooked and any two ties and they are done.

Ghana Under 2.5 +103 - it's a matter of whether they win a game here. They won't tie three games. They begin with Italy, which is a huge game for both teams. The big game is the US - at this time the US may be cooked and this bet will be in trouble, but the US may need a win or tie to advance and they may try very hard defensively to secure a tie in their final game.

Czechs Over 5 -110 - let's pencil them in for 3 against Ghana. It's just a matter of taking another game really and they are a huge fav over the US. They are -105 while the US is +300. If they do indeed beat Ghana then this bet turns into a -105 bet for them to beat the US which is solid. They can even beat Italy - while Italy will be favored, the Czech's have a great shot to beat them. I love this one.

I like France -113 to advance farther than the Italians. If Italy doesn't win the group then get Brazil in rd 2 - say goodbye. Heck, it wouldn't suprise me if they don't even get out of their group.

The exacta that I like is Mexico 1st, Portugal 2nd +236 - We are basically betting Mexico at +236 to win when they play Portugal. Even if their tie, it's a matter of goal differental to determine who's 1st and who's 2nd.

I like the prop: Will Brazil and France both win their groups at -120. Simply a parlay of France -248 and Brazil -413 - MUCH better odds taking this prop. I like this one. One of these prices is way off - either this prop should be lined higher or France/Brazil is lined too low.

Goal scored in first 2 mins: Yes -233 - I like this as well. There's over 60 games and goals are scored within the first 2 mins all the time. Lay the chalk.

Will any team trailing at half win the game? Yes -944 - If you like chalk, then lay it again. This should happen 4-5 times throughout the tourney, especially is Brazil goes into a lull in the 1st half against some scrub team then turns it on.

I can post some more if needed, these are just some that popped out to me.

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I like France -113 to advance farther than the Italians. If Italy doesn't win the group then get Brazil in rd 2 - say goodbye. Heck, it wouldn't suprise me if they don't even get out of their group.

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I like the prop: Will Brazil and France both win their groups at -120. Simply a parlay of France -248 and Brazil -413 - MUCH better odds taking this prop. I like this one. One of these prices is way off - either this prop should be lined higher or France/Brazil is lined too low.

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Seriously

If you wanna lay vig Kaka to not score the most goals +.5 -11500

WTF?

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I like France -113 to advance farther than the Italians. If Italy doesn't win the group then get Brazil in rd 2 - say goodbye. Heck, it wouldn't suprise me if they don't even get out of their group.

good info here

I like the prop: Will Brazil and France both win their groups at -120. Simply a parlay of France -248 and Brazil -413 - MUCH better odds taking this prop. I like this one. One of these prices is way off - either this prop should be lined higher or France/Brazil is lined too low.

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Seriously

If you wanna lay vig Kaka to not score the most goals +.5 -11500

WTF?

Nothing is a lock, but this is damn close to it. Kaka scored just 4 goals (I believe) for his club team this year, with the better players up over 20. Eto and Villa were neck and neck with nearly 30 goals on the year. He won't be taking their free kicks (Ronaldinho) and their penalties (Ronaldinho/maybe Ronaldo). It's going to be nearly impossible for him to lead this tourney in goals.

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Isn't this just about the same French team that failed to get out of the first round 4 years ago? Well, the same French team, 4 years older?

Not sure all the love for the French. Sure, Henry is a helluva player, maybe the best striker in the game today.....but I think counting on France to make a solid effort is well, I wouldn't be doing it.

I like the Itallians to go further then the French this year. They have a tougher bracket for sure, but I still think they are one of the premier teams in the World today. I think they are one of about 6 teams with a decent shot of winning it all.

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Isn't this just about the same French team that failed to get out of the first round 4 years ago?  Well, the same French team, 4 years older?

Not sure all the love for the French.  Sure, Henry is a helluva player, maybe the best striker in the game today.....but I think counting on France to make a solid effort is well, I wouldn't be doing it.

I like the Itallians to go further then the French this year.  They have a tougher bracket for sure, but I still think they are one of the premier teams in the World today.  I think they are one of about 6 teams with a decent shot of winning it all.

France could play terrible and still sneak out of this bracket, it's just plain bad. Four years ago they were coming off their WC win on their home soil and were stunned by Senegal in their opening game, then failed to score a goal in group play. Their group was much tougher four years ago.

I really like this French team. Much more than the Italians plus the easier bracket.

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I like France +1357 to win it all. Decent value here as they have the players to make a run. They have the world's best striker in Thierry Henry, who's as smooth as silk. They also have Zidane to distribute and have a couple more strikers capable of stepping up and leading this tournament in goals if things break right. I also like the fact their group is soft, so they won't have any problem advancing.

No way in hell is France going to win. None. They have what, two world-class players, one of them an ageing Zidane? Their team is old, fractitious and falling apart, I'd bet anything (except cash) that France won't make it to the semis.

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I like France +1357 to win it all.  Decent value here as they have the players to make a run.  They have the world's best striker in Thierry Henry, who's as smooth as silk.  They also have Zidane to distribute and have a couple more strikers capable of stepping up and leading this tournament in goals if things break right.  I also like the fact their group is soft, so they won't have any problem advancing.

No way in hell is France going to win. None. They have what, two world-class players, one of them an ageing Zidane? Their team is old, fractitious and falling apart, I'd bet anything (except cash) that France won't make it to the semis.

We'll see. If they finish 1st in their group, which they are -248 to do then they get group G's 2nd place finisher, which should be Ukraine. They will be a big favorite to win that game as well. Then they get the winner of the US/Czech/Italy bracket likely. They will be at least even money, maybe a dog to win that game. The +1357 would then be hedgeable if they can win that game at even money, maybe worse. You can begin to hedge off if they get to the semi's.

I think their path is quite easy, if they can get to the quarters we have an excellent chance of locking in some profit. Heck, they won't get Brazil until the finals, so they won't be lined as a huge dog against anybody else. If France can keep advancing, this +1357 is solid value.

They may not win it, but +1357 is solid value to me.

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I LOVE a

penalty being saved or missed in group play at -701.

I also like the over 1.5 goals in the final game at -163

Thanks for ghana under and czech over, love those as well as england under

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I like the prop: Will Brazil and France both win their groups at -120. Simply a parlay of France -248 and Brazil -413 - MUCH better odds taking this prop. I like this one. One of these prices is way off - either this prop should be lined higher or France/Brazil is lined too low.

Isn;t this the parlay of the century?

Please help me out here, let's just look at Franace at -248 to win their group. I would think if you would parlay that with a EVEN bet, your parlay would pay about -120, right? But instead, we get to parlay it with Brazil?

I am not smart on this stuff, so please tell me where I am wrong.....

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penalty being saved or missed in group play at -701.

I also like the over 1.5 goals in the final game at -163

Thanks for ghana under and czech over, love those as well as england under

I also like the bolded above as well. If the game is 0-0 or 1-0 we lose. If Brazil is in the final, this bet is likely hedgeable too, as the total should be lined higher.

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I like the prop:  Will Brazil and France both win their groups at -120.  Simply a parlay of France -248 and Brazil -413 - MUCH better odds taking this prop.  I like this one.  One of these prices is way off - either this prop should be lined higher or France/Brazil is lined too low.

Isn;t this the parlay of the century?

Please help me out here, let's just look at Franace at -248 to win their group. I would think if you would parlay that with a EVEN bet, your parlay would pay about -120, right? But instead, we get to parlay it with Brazil?

I am not smart on this stuff, so please tell me where I am wrong.....

No, you are correct. Well, your math isn't correct. If we parlay France at -248 we need Brazil to be about -320 for this to come out to -120. Brazil is -413, so something is incorrect here. That's why either Brazil or France is lined too high.

That's why I stated one of these prices is way off. Either that or this parlay should be -135 or so. I think this parlay is just off by 15 cents and worth a bet.

Hurry up and hit this bet. One of these prices is off.

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I like the prop:  Will Brazil and France both win their groups at -120.  Simply a parlay of France -248 and Brazil -413 - MUCH better odds taking this prop.  I like this one.  One of these prices is way off - either this prop should be lined higher or France/Brazil is lined too low.

Isn;t this the parlay of the century?

Please help me out here, let's just look at Franace at -248 to win their group. I would think if you would parlay that with a EVEN bet, your parlay would pay about -120, right? But instead, we get to parlay it with Brazil?

I am not smart on this stuff, so please tell me where I am wrong.....

No, you are correct. Well, your math isn't correct. If we parlay France at -248 we need Brazil to be about -320 for this to come out to -120. Brazil is -413, so something is incorrect here. That's why either Brazil or France is lined too high.

That's why I stated one of these prices is way off. Either that or this parlay should be -135 or so. I think this parlay is just off by 15 cents and worth a bet.

Hurry up and hit this bet. One of these prices is off.

Okay, I made a mistake. The price may not be off. Brazil -413 and France -248 are odds with Pinn's percentage hold built into them. It's conceivable for example that breakeven odds might be -375 and -220, in which case -120 for both to happen becomes less than -120. I still like the bet, but the value may not be there.

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I like the prop: Will Brazil and France both win their groups at -120. Simply a parlay of France -248 and Brazil -413 - MUCH better odds taking this prop. I like this one. One of these prices is way off - either this prop should be lined higher or France/Brazil is lined too low.

Isn;t this the parlay of the century?

Please help me out here, let's just look at Franace at -248 to win their group. I would think if you would parlay that with a EVEN bet, your parlay would pay about -120, right? But instead, we get to parlay it with Brazil?

I am not smart on this stuff, so please tell me where I am wrong.....

No, you are correct. Well, your math isn't correct. If we parlay France at -248 we need Brazil to be about -320 for this to come out to -120. Brazil is -413, so something is incorrect here. That's why either Brazil or France is lined too high.

That's why I stated one of these prices is way off. Either that or this parlay should be -135 or so. I think this parlay is just off by 15 cents and worth a bet.

Hurry up and hit this bet. One of these prices is off.

Okay, I made a mistake. The price may not be off. Brazil -413 and France -248 are odds with Pinn's percentage hold built into them. It's conceivable for example that breakeven odds might be -375 and -220, in which case -120 for both to happen becomes less than -120. I still like the bet, but the value may not be there.

Don't factor books % in your value.

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I like the prop:  Will Brazil and France both win their groups at -120.  Simply a parlay of France -248 and Brazil -413 - MUCH better odds taking this prop.  I like this one.  One of these prices is way off - either this prop should be lined higher or France/Brazil is lined too low.

Isn;t this the parlay of the century?

Please help me out here, let's just look at Franace at -248 to win their group. I would think if you would parlay that with a EVEN bet, your parlay would pay about -120, right? But instead, we get to parlay it with Brazil?

I am not smart on this stuff, so please tell me where I am wrong.....

No, you are correct. Well, your math isn't correct. If we parlay France at -248 we need Brazil to be about -320 for this to come out to -120. Brazil is -413, so something is incorrect here. That's why either Brazil or France is lined too high.

That's why I stated one of these prices is way off. Either that or this parlay should be -135 or so. I think this parlay is just off by 15 cents and worth a bet.

Hurry up and hit this bet. One of these prices is off.

Okay, I made a mistake. The price may not be off. Brazil -413 and France -248 are odds with Pinn's percentage hold built into them. It's conceivable for example that breakeven odds might be -375 and -220, in which case -120 for both to happen becomes less than -120. I still like the bet, but the value may not be there.

Don't factor books % in your value.

No I have to - the no vig odds of this prop are NOW -105. The Yes just dropped to -112 from -120. Now the true no vig odds from the Brazil/France to win their group are likely lower than their price. Brazil is under -400 and France is a tad lower.

The bet is just -112, but the value is no longer there. I thought there was value, but I was mistaken. I still like the bet, but you mine as well flip a coin.

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We'll see. If they finish 1st in their group, which they are -248 to do then they get group G's 2nd place finisher, which should be Ukraine. They will be a big favorite to win that game as well. Then they get the winner of the US/Czech/Italy bracket likely. They will be at least even money, maybe a dog to win that game. The +1357 would then be hedgeable if they can win that game at even money, maybe worse. You can begin to hedge off if they get to the semi's.

I think their path is quite easy, if they can get to the quarters we have an excellent chance of locking in some profit. Heck, they won't get Brazil until the finals, so they won't be lined as a huge dog against anybody else. If France can keep advancing, this +1357 is solid value.

They may not win it, but +1357 is solid value to me.

I wouldn't care how good the odds are, France are not going to win the World Cup. Might as well strap your money to your flaming self and jump into a cement mixer.

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We'll see.  If they finish 1st in their group, which they are -248 to do then they get group G's 2nd place finisher, which should be Ukraine.  They will be a big favorite to win that game as well.  Then they get the winner of the US/Czech/Italy bracket likely.  They will be at least even money, maybe a dog to win that game.  The +1357 would then be hedgeable if they can win that game at even money, maybe worse.  You can begin to hedge off if they get to the semi's. 

I think their path is quite easy, if they can get to the quarters we have an excellent chance of locking in some profit.  Heck, they won't get Brazil until the finals, so they won't be lined as a huge dog against anybody else.  If France can keep advancing, this +1357 is solid value. 

They may not win it, but +1357 is solid value to me.

I wouldn't care how good the odds are, France are not going to win the World Cup. Might as well strap your money to your flaming self and jump into a cement mixer.

Well they may not win, but this line is still too low. When they get out of group play, the bet is easily hedgable.

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I like Brazil to win, Germany to come in second. If you look at the World Cup historically, then you'll see it the same teams that win and get to the finals over and over again(Brazil, Germany, Italy, Argentina).

As far as sleepers go:

Ghana, Serbia, Ukraine, Paraguay. Austrailia

As far as busts go:

England, Japan, S Korea, Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, USA.

As far as wagers go,

Australia to beat Japan

France and Swiss to tie.

There will be a billion Euros bet on this event, by the way. I wonder how that compares to NFL playoffs or NCAA basketball. I don't know if that billion is just legal wagers or all wagers.

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Took Germany + Poland for 3u a few days back

Getting :scared: aboot it so

Took Rica +1.5 for 1u

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Took Germany + Poland for 3u a few days back

Getting :scared: aboot it so

Took Rica +1.5 for 1u

You're really going to kick yourself when Ecuador beats Poland!

Germany should trounce Costa Rica, even without Ballack. With all the criticism on the German squad, I firmly believe they want to come out in the first game, with the entire World watching them, and make a statement game...something like 3-0 should suffice.

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A Brazillian futbol expert opinion on 1-2.

-Germany, Costa Rica

-England, Paraguay

-Argentina, Ivory Coast

-Mexico, Iran

-Italy, Ghana

-Brazil,Croatia

-France, Switzerland

-Spain,Ukraine

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Took Germany + Poland for 3u a few days back

Getting :scared: aboot it so

Took Rica +1.5 for 1u

You're really going to kick yourself when Ecuador beats Poland!

Germany should trounce Costa Rica, even without Ballack. With all the criticism on the German squad, I firmly believe they want to come out in the first game, with the entire World watching them, and make a statement game...something like 3-0 should suffice.

I agree, Ecuador +.5 -114 can be had at Pinny. I like it.

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For tomorrow I like Paraguay +1 -126 (Pinny) against England and I like Argentina ML -165 against Ivory Coast.

Playing Trinidad is like playing the KC RL when they are at home against a team like Toronto. No play, anything could happen in that game.

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For tomorrow I like Paraguay +1 -126 (Pinny) against England and I like Argentina ML -165 against Ivory Coast.

Playing Trinidad is like playing the KC RL when they are at home against a team like Toronto. No play, anything could happen in that game.

I think Argentina -165 is free money here. Argentina is on the short list of teams I think can win it all.

I happen to like England too. I think this is a deep, veteran team with talent to spare. I would not bet against them. As a disclaimer, I have a bit of money on England and Germany winning it all, both had odds too good to pass up, imho.

g'luck

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Okay, if any of you degenerates wakes up early, here are my plays:

Argentina -165 (ML) 3 units. As I've mentioned earlier, Aregntina I believe has a tremendous team. Truth be told, don't know all that much about Ivory Coast. Don't care too much though. We shall see.

England -1.5 (+190) 1 unit. I think this England team is getting zero respect. Everyone thinks Rooney missing is going to be a deal breaker. Yeah, just like Ballack missing for the Germans. Ballack is probably one of the top 4-5 talents in the World. Rooney is not. The England team still has loads of talent. England may not win by two goals here, and my optimism is misplaced, but I can certainly see them dominating here and I like the value of getting nearly 2-1 on my money if they do.

g'luck!

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We'll see.  If they finish 1st in their group, which they are -248 to do then they get group G's 2nd place finisher, which should be Ukraine.  They will be a big favorite to win that game as well.  Then they get the winner of the US/Czech/Italy bracket likely.  They will be at least even money, maybe a dog to win that game.  The +1357 would then be hedgeable if they can win that game at even money, maybe worse.  You can begin to hedge off if they get to the semi's. 

I think their path is quite easy, if they can get to the quarters we have an excellent chance of locking in some profit.  Heck, they won't get Brazil until the finals, so they won't be lined as a huge dog against anybody else.  If France can keep advancing, this +1357 is solid value. 

They may not win it, but +1357 is solid value to me.

I wouldn't care how good the odds are, France are not going to win the World Cup. Might as well strap your money to your flaming self and jump into a cement mixer.

After your great call during the Poland match I'm feeling much better about picking France to win it all in the FBG Pick'Em pool :thumbup:

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For tomorrow I like Paraguay +1 -126 (Pinny) against England and I like Argentina ML -165 against Ivory Coast.

Playing Trinidad is like playing the KC RL when they are at home against a team like Toronto. No play, anything could happen in that game.

I think Argentina -165 is free money here. Argentina is on the short list of teams I think can win it all.

I happen to like England too. I think this is a deep, veteran team with talent to spare. I would not bet against them. As a disclaimer, I have a bit of money on England and Germany winning it all, both had odds too good to pass up, imho.

g'luck

Argentina at -137 now. I took it, but wonder if there was some big news that dropped the line.

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I like those bets, count me in

Selection 1: World Cup Soccer

Paraguay 10-June-2006 6:00 AM PST

Spread +1 for Game -128

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Selection 2: World Cup Soccer

Argentina 10-June-2006 11:59 AM PST

Spread -0.5 for Game -135

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I like those bets, count me in

Selection 1: World Cup Soccer

Paraguay 10-June-2006 6:00 AM PST

Spread +1 for Game -128

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Selection 2: World Cup Soccer

Argentina 10-June-2006 11:59 AM PST

Spread -0.5 for Game -135

Wilked - Not sure if you are on Pinny, and I may be reading it wrong, but the have the money line at Argentina (no spread) at -137. If you like it, you may want to double down there.

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I see that now....thanks

Money line pushes for a tie?

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I see that now....thanks

Money line pushes for a tie?

Actually, I don't think it does. I had asked in another thread about this, and was told that soccer, if a push line is offered, means you lose a push on the money line. So, in effect the money line is the same as -0.5 then right.

So, carry on, your line was good....

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