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Welcome to Trader Joe's

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Welcome one and all to "Trader Joe's", a new section of the Assistant Coach Forum. I will be your usual host and respond to your questions and comments as quick as I can. Other commentaries are welcome, but I will do my very best to answer the questions asked here in this forum.

This thread will be used during the year by myself to discuss both trade strategy and also individual questions. Each week I'll be taking some of the best questions and incorporating them into a column for the site. I'll also add some trade strategy talk in each weekly column.

As for the format, the questions can be on any topic within your league, but I would advise you that the more general the question, the more applicable it becomes to everyone and thus it is more beneficial to all. The "Who should I trade" questions are still welcome (as long as they follow the format outlined below), but if you'd like to see your question in my column, strategy and/or trade philosophy is highly recommended.

For example:

Team / league specific question:

"I can keep three players. I have Tiki Barber, LaDainian Tomlinson, Larry Johnson and Terrell Owens. Who do you recommend?"

The better way to generalize the question, yet still get your answer:


"I have three Top 10 running backs (Barber, Tomlinson, Larry Johnson) and a Top 10 WR (Terrell Owens), but I can only keep three. Is it better to keep three running backs, or should I keep a top shelf WR and two backs?"

I would request that you include the following regarding your trade questions:

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Please please PLEASE cut and paste your sig rosters in your post. I answer many questions at once and can't see the sigs.... TIA.

This is going to be an open discussion so don't be shy.

However, please, no links to other threads.

I'll also point out some other threads along the way that may aid you in becoming a better trader. That is one of the toughest parts of fantasy football, and as always, Footballguys are here to help.

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I will get this party started:

What is the value of TJ Duckett in non-PPR leagues?

Is he a buy low with thoughts of being a FA in a year?

Is he hold because we do not know how the Falcon RBs situation will shake out with Dunn and Norwood and who will have what role?

Or, is he a sell since they drafted Norwood and no one will really want him next year?

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I will get this party started:What is the value of TJ Duckett in non-PPR leagues? Is he a buy low with thoughts of being a FA in a year?Is he hold because we do not know how the Falcon RBs situation will shake out with Dunn and Norwood and who will have what role?Or, is he a sell since they drafted Norwood and no one will really want him next year?

Wannabee,Thanks for the question.Duckett's value is a big ol' question mark as for a redraft league, and further murky in dynasty leagues.Interestingly enough, we have him in the 40-55 range on both rankings, so that only adds to the confusion.On the plus side, Duckett is the only other proven RB on Atlanta after Dunn (and some would say Vick, too). TJ was rumored to be on the block and heading to Pittsburgh to reprise the Bettis role in that offense, but that seems dead in the water.Duckett's future value is cloudy. His value right now is mostly as a backup / handcuff to Dunn, with the hopes of stealing TDs (31 in four years in Atlanta on just 552 carries).If I were the owner of Duckett, I'd shop him to the owner of Dunn and see if you can get some value (a player or a pick) for him. Other than that I'd hold him and hope for a trade or a change of the pecking order, or at least more TD thefts.

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Jeff, since you are an Eagles fan, how do you see the see the WR situation in Philly shaking out?

Also, how do you see the pass yards broken up?

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I'm making a trade to get E. Manning for Culpeppeper. Im trying to send J. Harrington also. My other QB is Rex Grossman and B. Griese. I dont have much roster room. And Mike Bell is still on the WW. Ive been thinking about taking a gamble on him. I'm planning on dropping Griese to grab Bell, and hopeing both Grossman and Bell make it through the pre-season on the first team to start the regular season.

Wise move? Foolish move?

I guess it depends a lot on the Bears QB competition? So what are your thoughts on that.

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Jeff, since you are an Eagles fan, how do you see the see the WR situation in Philly shaking out?

Also, how do you see the pass yards broken up?

So as I can be self-consistent, here is my post from the Reggie Brown Spotlight.

The Eagles are claiming to run the ball, again.

I'm not buying it.

McNabb averages over 200 yards passing a game for the past 6 seasons. That's 3200+ yards passing at a minimum this year, assuming 16 starts.

Who will he throw to?

Reggie, LJ Smith and Westy seem the logical choices.

Westy hasn't broken 750 yards receiving, ever. LJ hasn't broken 700.

Give them both career years at 800 each, and 50% is still missing, or 1600 yards, at a minimum.

Brown is the clear #1 WR in town, so I have to give him 50% of the remainder at a minimum. That's 800 yards on the DOWNSIDE.

The upside is easily 1,000+.

I say the truth lies somewhere between 800 and 1100 yards, and I lean more towards the 4-digit number.

I project 75 receptions, 970 yards, 8 TD.

That's 145 FBG points, 220 PPR points. That puts him as #18 WR last season (on par with Eddie Kennison) for FBG, and about TJ Housh in a PPR league. Top 20 either way.

So let's go with 3400 passing yards for McNabb.

WR - Reggie Brown - 970

TE - LJ Smith - 750

RB - Westy - 750

That's 2470 yards right there.

Add some for Gaffney (say 300), Avant (150), Lewis :X (150) and Pinkston (200 if healthy) and that's 800 more. A few more to Schobel (say 100) at TE2 and that gets you in the 3400 yard ballpark.

As for how it will shake out - the numbers tell you. Westy / LJ / Brown are the 3 main targets, and it is WR2 by committee.

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I'm making a trade to get E. Manning for Culpeppeper. Im trying to send J. Harrington also. My other QB is Rex Grossman and B. Griese. I dont have much roster room. And Mike Bell is still on the WW. Ive been thinking about taking a gamble on him. I'm planning on dropping Griese to grab Bell, and hopeing both Grossman and Bell make it through the pre-season on the first team to start the regular season.Wise move? Foolish move? I guess it depends a lot on the Bears QB competition? So what are your thoughts on that.

Hi brake,That all depends on the rest of your team. You say you have a short bench, but you're carrying 4 QBs (Harrington, Culpepper, Griese and Grossman). Without more knowledge of your league and team and all that (see Post 1), I'm shooting in the dark.I'll assume 1 QB start. I'll also assume standard FBG scoring (performance, no PPR) and go from there. Manning for CPep and Harrington is a good trade if you need room and like Manning. I'm assuming (again) this is a keeper / dynasty team. Manning's a good value there.Trade Harrington and CPep for Eli and pick up Mike Bell that way. See how Chicago shakes QB out and keep both if you have to - now you have room.

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Jeff, since you are an Eagles fan, how do you see the see the WR situation in Philly shaking out?

Also, how do you see the pass yards broken up?

So as I can be self-consistent, here is my post from the Reggie Brown Spotlight.

The Eagles are claiming to run the ball, again.

I'm not buying it.

McNabb averages over 200 yards passing a game for the past 6 seasons. That's 3200+ yards passing at a minimum this year, assuming 16 starts.

Who will he throw to?

Reggie, LJ Smith and Westy seem the logical choices.

Westy hasn't broken 750 yards receiving, ever. LJ hasn't broken 700.

Give them both career years at 800 each, and 50% is still missing, or 1600 yards, at a minimum.

Brown is the clear #1 WR in town, so I have to give him 50% of the remainder at a minimum. That's 800 yards on the DOWNSIDE.

The upside is easily 1,000+.

I say the truth lies somewhere between 800 and 1100 yards, and I lean more towards the 4-digit number.

I project 75 receptions, 970 yards, 8 TD.

That's 145 FBG points, 220 PPR points. That puts him as #18 WR last season (on par with Eddie Kennison) for FBG, and about TJ Housh in a PPR league. Top 20 either way.

So let's go with 3400 passing yards for McNabb.

WR - Reggie Brown - 970

TE - LJ Smith - 750

RB - Westy - 750

That's 2470 yards right there.

Add some for Gaffney (say 300), Avant (150), Lewis :X (150) and Pinkston (200 if healthy) and that's 800 more. A few more to Schobel (say 100) at TE2 and that gets you in the 3400 yard ballpark.

As for how it will shake out - the numbers tell you. Westy / LJ / Brown are the 3 main targets, and it is WR2 by committee.

do you think Baskett can emerge as the WR2?

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Sorry, here is league scoring. 16 team h2h dynasty. We split our rosters between an AFC/NFC team to start the season. Im MIA/CHI. I have since made some roster moves dropping players and adding anyone here not on MIA/CHi from the waiver wire.

and my roster. ANd yes, its IDP dynasty, here is my team now. (Ive all ready added bell for griese but can still get him back as no one has touched him yet.)

QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, W/R, K, D, D, DB, DB, DL, DL, DL, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN

Stat Categories: Completions (1)

Passing Yards (20 yards per point)

Passing Touchdowns (10)

Interceptions (-3)

Rushing Attempts (1)

Rushing Yards (4 yards per point)

Rushing Touchdowns (10)

Receptions (1)

Reception Yards (4 yards per point)

Reception Touchdowns (10)

Return Touchdowns (20)

2-Point Conversions (3)

Fumbles Lost (-3)

Offensive Fumble Return TD (20)

Field Goals 0-19 Yards (5)

Field Goals 20-29 Yards (6)

Field Goals 30-39 Yards (8)

Field Goals 40-49 Yards (12)

Field Goals 50+ Yards (15)

Point After Attempt Made (2)

Tackle Solo (3)

Tackle Assist (1)

Sack (10)

Interception (15)

Fumble Force (15)

Fumble Recovery (10)

Touchdown (20)

Safety (20)

Pass Defended (2)

Block Kick (20)

1. QB D. Culpepper MIA

2. QB R. Grossman CHI

3. WR V. Jackson SD

4. RB R. Brown MIA

5. RB T. Jones CHI

6. RB C. Benson CHI

7. RB A. Peterson Chi

8. WR C. Chambers MIA

9. WR M. Booker MIA

10. WR D. Gabriel OAK

11. WR M. Muhammad CHI

12. WR M. Bradley CHI

13. TE R. McMichael MIA

14. TE L. Pope ARI

15. K O. Mare MIA

16. DL L. Hill Sea

17. DL B. Urlacher CHI

18. DL L. Briggs CHI

19. DL Z. Thomas MIA

20. DL J. Taylor MIA

21. DL C. Crowder MIA

22. DB N. Vasher CHI

23. DB M. Brown CHI

24. DB C. Tillman CHI

25. QB J. Harrington MIA

Extended Bench:

1. RB M. Bell Den

2. QB A. Walter OAK

3. RB R. Williams MIA (I think they still own his rights.)

4. DB J. Allen MIA

5. DB B. Pollard KC

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Jeff, since you are an Eagles fan, how do you see the see the WR situation in Philly shaking out?

Also, how do you see the pass yards broken up?

So as I can be self-consistent, here is my post from the Reggie Brown Spotlight.

The Eagles are claiming to run the ball, again.

I'm not buying it.

McNabb averages over 200 yards passing a game for the past 6 seasons. That's 3200+ yards passing at a minimum this year, assuming 16 starts.

Who will he throw to?

Reggie, LJ Smith and Westy seem the logical choices.

Westy hasn't broken 750 yards receiving, ever. LJ hasn't broken 700.

Give them both career years at 800 each, and 50% is still missing, or 1600 yards, at a minimum.

Brown is the clear #1 WR in town, so I have to give him 50% of the remainder at a minimum. That's 800 yards on the DOWNSIDE.

The upside is easily 1,000+.

I say the truth lies somewhere between 800 and 1100 yards, and I lean more towards the 4-digit number.

I project 75 receptions, 970 yards, 8 TD.

That's 145 FBG points, 220 PPR points. That puts him as #18 WR last season (on par with Eddie Kennison) for FBG, and about TJ Housh in a PPR league. Top 20 either way.

So let's go with 3400 passing yards for McNabb.

WR - Reggie Brown - 970

TE - LJ Smith - 750

RB - Westy - 750

That's 2470 yards right there.

Add some for Gaffney (say 300), Avant (150), Lewis :X (150) and Pinkston (200 if healthy) and that's 800 more. A few more to Schobel (say 100) at TE2 and that gets you in the 3400 yard ballpark.

As for how it will shake out - the numbers tell you. Westy / LJ / Brown are the 3 main targets, and it is WR2 by committee.

do you think Baskett can emerge as the WR2?
LOL - I did forget Hank didn't I.....

I see Hank as an end zone fade target guy. He's big. But I don't know if he can latch on as a Top 5 WR guy. I see him and/or Bloom on the development squad.

If Hank Baskett makes the team on the 53 man roster, I would say you could stick him in for Lewis.

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Sorry, here is league scoring. 16 team h2h dynasty. We split our rosters between an AFC/NFC team to start the season. Im MIA/CHI. I have since made some roster moves dropping players and adding anyone here not on MIA/CHi from the waiver wire.and my roster. ANd yes, its IDP dynasty, here is my team now. (Ive all ready added bell for griese but can still get him back as no one has touched him yet.)QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, W/R, K, D, D, DB, DB, DL, DL, DL, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BNStat Categories: Completions (1)Passing Yards (20 yards per point)Passing Touchdowns (10)Interceptions (-3)Rushing Attempts (1)Rushing Yards (4 yards per point)Rushing Touchdowns (10)Receptions (1)Reception Yards (4 yards per point)Reception Touchdowns (10)Return Touchdowns (20)2-Point Conversions (3)Fumbles Lost (-3)Offensive Fumble Return TD (20)Field Goals 0-19 Yards (5)Field Goals 20-29 Yards (6)Field Goals 30-39 Yards (8)Field Goals 40-49 Yards (12)Field Goals 50+ Yards (15)Point After Attempt Made (2)Tackle Solo (3)Tackle Assist (1)Sack (10)Interception (15)Fumble Force (15)Fumble Recovery (10)Touchdown (20)Safety (20)Pass Defended (2)Block Kick (20)1. QB D. Culpepper MIA2. QB R. Grossman CHI3. WR V. Jackson SD4. RB R. Brown MIA5. RB T. Jones CHI6. RB C. Benson CHI7. RB A. Peterson Chi8. WR C. Chambers MIA9. WR M. Booker MIA10. WR D. Gabriel OAK11. WR M. Muhammad CHI12. WR M. Bradley CHI13. TE R. McMichael MIA14. TE L. Pope ARI15. K O. Mare MIA16. DL L. Hill Sea17. DL B. Urlacher CHI18. DL L. Briggs CHI19. DL Z. Thomas MIA20. DL J. Taylor MIA21. DL C. Crowder MIA22. DB N. Vasher CHI23. DB M. Brown CHI24. DB C. Tillman CHI25. QB J. Harrington MIAExtended Bench:1. RB M. Bell Den 2. QB A. Walter OAK3. RB R. Williams MIA (I think they still own his rights.)4. DB J. Allen MIA 5. DB B. Pollard KC

In that case, with IDP and so many starters, QB isn't as big as a priority. You have 16 starters, so QB is likely to be 10% or less of your scoring (even though you have some crazy scoring rules - 10 pts / TD??).Culpepper and Harrington for Eli is still a good trade (due to Eli's youth).With the ability to start 3 RBs, getting a 3rd starter does make sense if Mike Bell does pan out.If you're unsure at QB, look to the Waiver Wire (WW) to see what's available. I'm not thrilled with either Chicago QB, and you have 6 DL. That's a place to cut back a little, since you have 9 to start 7, and that's usually easier to fill on the waiver wire.Also - for dynasty purposes, consider a K upgrade.Good luck.

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Hey thanks for the reply! great info, has clued me in to a few things i wasnt noticing.

I had the choice for Gould in Chi over Mare, he's a lot younger I should probably just grab him instead.

And the full trade is

Culpepper, Harrington, Lance Briggs, Jay Taylor

for

Eli manning, KC DL Jared Allen, and Osi Umenyora.

I should probably ask for G. Wilson from him instead of Allen eh? Since I have so many DL and am working on trading Z thomas, M. Brown, and Vasher.

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Hey thanks for the reply! great info, has clued me in to a few things i wasnt noticing. I had the choice for Gould in Chi over Mare, he's a lot younger I should probably just grab him instead.And the full trade isCulpepper, Harrington, Lance Briggs, Jay Taylorfor Eli manning, KC DL Jared Allen, and Osi Umenyora. I should probably ask for G. Wilson from him instead of Allen eh? Since I have so many DL and am working on trading Z thomas, M. Brown, and Vasher.

Osi's a stud. Wilson is probably worth more than Allen.

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Keeper League. 16 Teams, can keep up to 3 each year. Penalty is losing a pick in each of the first 3 rounds for each keeper (keep 3, then don't pick in first 3 rounds and start picking in round 4). 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 FLEX, 1 TE, K, DEF Team. 17 man rosters. Standard Performance scoring. .5 per catch for WRs and TEs, not RBs.

We have a 2-round rookie draft in 1 week. I have pick 1.1 (Bush) through an earlier trade. Rookies don't count toward keepers. Current keepers are Alexander, Edge, and Culpepper (maybe if the knee is OK). Wondering if any of these make me better.

1. Edge and 1.3 rookie pick (Maroney or Deangelo. Addai will go 1.2 here) for Steven Jackson. Other owner also keeps Portis and Eli Manning (loves Eli). He likes the rookie RB crop.

2. Edge for Westbrook and Boldin. Would not keep Culpepper here. Other owner has Lamont Jordan as his other keeper.

3. Alexander for Cadillac Williams and Mcgahee. Other owner has Ronnie Brown and rookie pick 1.4.

Thanks for your time. Your work is good.

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Keeper League. 16 Teams, can keep up to 3 each year. Penalty is losing a pick in each of the first 3 rounds for each keeper (keep 3, then don't pick in first 3 rounds and start picking in round 4). 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 FLEX, 1 TE, K, DEF Team. 17 man rosters. Standard Performance scoring. .5 per catch for WRs and TEs, not RBs. We have a 2-round rookie draft in 1 week. I have pick 1.1 (Bush) through an earlier trade. Rookies don't count toward keepers. Current keepers are Alexander, Edge, and Culpepper (maybe if the knee is OK). Wondering if any of these make me better. 1. Edge and 1.3 rookie pick (Maroney or Deangelo. Addai will go 1.2 here) for Steven Jackson. Other owner also keeps Portis and Eli Manning (loves Eli). He likes the rookie RB crop. 2. Edge for Westbrook and Boldin. Would not keep Culpepper here. Other owner has Lamont Jordan as his other keeper.3. Alexander for Cadillac Williams and Mcgahee. Other owner has Ronnie Brown and rookie pick 1.4.Thanks for your time. Your work is good.

HEhateME,First, thanks for the question and the kind words. Second, nice question (and well formed, thanks).In order:1. Edge / 1.03 for Steven Jackson. I like that trade, simply because Edge is starting to slip IMHO in both talent and his situation. He has played nearly 100 NFL games and has had 2500 touches, a mark that has indicated a decline for RBs in the past. He is still under 30, but the tread is wearing thin.SJax on the other hand is just getting started. He should put up impressive numbers behind a better O-line, and he should outpace Edge this season and certainly do better over the next 3-5 years.1.03 is a crapshoot as to if you'd get a player of the caliber (or in the same role) as SJax. I'd take DeAngelo there, but Carolina is far from a lock for him going forward. While I like him, he has the same number of NFL career carries as I do. ;)2. Edge for Westy and Boldin. I love Boldin - let's start there. The downgrade from Westy to Edge is not as big as some might think, despite the lack of PPR. I do love having Boldin, a Top 5 WR when healthy. As you stated earlier, this would give you SA, Westy and Boldin, two Top 10 RBs (Westy borderline, I know, but I think he can be listed on the fringe) and a Top 5 WR. That's hard to pass up.3. SA for Caddy and McGahee. No dice. I don't like giving a Top 3 RB for two players of the next tier (or lower). Caddy is a Top 10 guy likely this year, but McGahee will likely struggle to be Top 20 in a miserable Buffalo Bills offense. Of the 3 scenarios, I like #2. You wind up with 3 starting RBs and WRs, all at or near the top of the list, which is solid. Finally - HEhateME is now a Raider (aka Rod Smart - Because you guys always want to know ;) ).

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Jeff - Thanks a lot for the answers. Good stuff as usual. One last question. Of the options here - do you think I'm better to just stand pat with Alexander, Edge, and Culpepper (with Bush coming to me in rookie draft)?

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Jeff - Thanks a lot for the answers. Good stuff as usual. One last question. Of the options here - do you think I'm better to just stand pat with Alexander, Edge, and Culpepper (with Bush coming to me in rookie draft)?

You're right, I didn't complete the thought.I'd rather have Boldin and Westy vs. Edge and Culpepper. With 3 keepers, few QBs will be kept. The pool of talent under center will be deep.

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8-Team/1-Keeper League, Basic Performance Scoring

I Give: LT

I Get: Draft Picks #3, #8, #30

I already have picks #6 and #11. So, this trade would give my team a very solid core for this season. The team I would trade LT to has already traded his keeper this year. So, LT would be his only keeper. What do you think?

At #3 I would get either Caddy, Brown, Rudi or LaMont

At #8 I would get either CJ, McGahee, Westbrook, DD, Holt

At #30 I would get either Roy Williams, Droughns, Chester, etc.

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8-Team/1-Keeper League, Basic Performance Scoring

I Give: LT

I Get: Draft Picks #3, #8, #30

I already have picks #6 and #11. So, this trade would give my team a very solid core for this season. The team I would trade LT to has already traded his keeper this year. So, LT would be his only keeper. What do you think?

At #3 I would get either Caddy, Brown, Rudi or LaMont

At #8 I would get either CJ, McGahee, Westbrook, DD, Holt

At #30 I would get either Roy Williams, Droughns, Chester, etc.

As far as your question, I'd turn it on its head and look at it another way.

Let's say you trade LT and you get those 3 players (just for argument's sake, I'll take 2 RBs and a WR). So you have Caddy, CJ and Droughns instead of LT, and you still have the #6 and #11 picks.

You would have 3 picks in the Top 8 plus #11 and #30.

Given that there's no more than 8 players kept, that is a pretty good foundation - except you don't have a Top 3 RB.

So - now look at it if you do nothing. You have LT, #6 and #11. Based on your list for #8, you'd likely get two of those guys (say CJ and Dominick Davis or Holt) and still have LT.

That's your basis of comparison. Would you want LT and two guys from your #8 list, or would you prefer to have one from your #8 list and one each from the #3 and the #30 list?

List both scenarios out:

Keep LT:

LT

CJ

Holt/DD

Trade LT:

Caddy

CJ

Droughns

So again, you're looking at LT and Holt/DD vs. Caddy and Droughns (CJ cancels out). I would probably look towards standing pat.

Thanks for the question and good luck.

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Hack,

Thanks for the comment - I'm aware of the store, and somehow I don't think we are in direct competition.

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Some thoughts to see what everyone thinks about trades:

Do you find them tough to pull off?

Are they especially tough in redraft leagues? Why are they easier in others?

How can you get owners to trade with you?

What kind of reputation do you have in your league? How can you change it?

Note: Some of these are rhetorical questions that I will address on a weekly basis as the season gets going, but they are open topics for discussion. This thread is about not just your personal trades, but trading in general.

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I'll help with some of these, JP.

Do you find them tough to pull off?

Not at first, but owners in my leagues are becoming wary of me. They realize that nearly every trade I've ever pulled off seems to work in my favor, so that's working to my disadvantage now. They're a lot more hesitant, the "What does he know that I don't?" mentality seems to play a lot.

Are they especially tough in redraft leagues? Why are they easier in others?

I think they're tougher in redraft leagues, just because everyone has the same goal--getting the most points for THAT particular year. There's a lot more leeway in keeper/dynasty leagues, because as owners have different goals, trading become a more integral part of what they're doing.

How can you get owners to trade with you?

With my reputation (which I answered in the first question--and this answers your last question), I've taken a different approach, which seems to work.With every trade I propose, I give a detailed note as to how, detail by detail, the trade helps BOTH teams. I used to do the same thing, but just for their team, but I think it's VERY important, as your reputation grows, to give both sides fair due. If you don't, then people will think you're trying to pull one over on them. By explaining WHY you want to do this trade, that gives them some comfort, and quite honestly, makes the trade easier to pull off.

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I'll help with some of these, JP.

Do you find them tough to pull off?

Not at first, but owners in my leagues are becoming wary of me. They realize that nearly every trade I've ever pulled off seems to work in my favor, so that's working to my disadvantage now. They're a lot more hesitant, the "What does he know that I don't?" mentality seems to play a lot.

Are they especially tough in redraft leagues? Why are they easier in others?

I think they're tougher in redraft leagues, just because everyone has the same goal--getting the most points for THAT particular year. There's a lot more leeway in keeper/dynasty leagues, because as owners have different goals, trading become a more integral part of what they're doing.

How can you get owners to trade with you?

With my reputation (which I answered in the first question--and this answers your last question), I've taken a different approach, which seems to work.With every trade I propose, I give a detailed note as to how, detail by detail, the trade helps BOTH teams. I used to do the same thing, but just for their team, but I think it's VERY important, as your reputation grows, to give both sides fair due. If you don't, then people will think you're trying to pull one over on them. By explaining WHY you want to do this trade, that gives them some comfort, and quite honestly, makes the trade easier to pull off.
Thanks Keys.Good answers to all.I'm hoping that everyone realizes how difficult trading is, and then after admitting that it is likely a weakness in their fantasy football experience, we'll work on how to address it and improve in that area.One of the first things to note is that it is no longer about "me", it is "we". You HAVE to have a trade partner - otherwise there's no trade. You can't be a jerk and be a trader. It doesn't work. That doesn't mean you need to be a pushover either, but there are character traits and personas you can use to make yourself better in this area.

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but there are character traits and personas you can use to make yourself better in this area.

I think this is one of the key points here.Everyone likes the "smack talk" and the "bash other picks on draft day" mentality that seems to go around.Rise above that. Seriously. You'll be AMAZED at how your trading opportunities significantly increase if you're just plain NICE to other people.

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Considering a pre-draft trade of picks: I have the #7 pick in a 12 team w/1QB,2RB,3WR,1TE,K,D, high-performance, redraft, but I have NO 2nd round pick. My picks go #s 31, 42, 55, 66, 79, etc. I'll still have my 4th and 6th rounders. I traded my 2nd rounder last year for Steve Smith in week 10...he cooled off and I finished in second place.

Is this deal WORTH it to get the #9 overall pick for my 31, 55 and 108?

Or should I just stand pat and ride out the draft at my current position and suck it up?

Thanks in advance.

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but there are character traits and personas you can use to make yourself better in this area.

I think this is one of the key points here.Everyone likes the "smack talk" and the "bash other picks on draft day" mentality that seems to go around.Rise above that. Seriously. You'll be AMAZED at how your trading opportunities significantly increase if you're just plain NICE to other people.
I agree with that sentiment, but you can jab at people that you have good relationships with. Just patch things up if it gets to heated.Then steal his RBs ;) .

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Considering a pre-draft trade of picks: I have the #7 pick in a 12 team w/1QB,2RB,3WR,1TE,K,D, high-performance, redraft, but I have NO 2nd round pick. My picks go #s 31, 42, 55, 66, 79, etc. I'll still have my 4th and 6th rounders. I traded my 2nd rounder last year for Steve Smith in week 10...he cooled off and I finished in second place.

Is this deal WORTH it to get the #9 overall pick for my 31, 55 and 108?

Or should I just stand pat and ride out the draft at my current position and suck it up?

Thanks in advance.

Ok, redraft.

So you have:

7

31

42

55

66

79

...(84, 90, 103)....

108

You're trading 31, 55, 108 for 9?

The FBG Calculator says "NO", but not by much. (1489 vs 1438, or -3%)

1. The question I would pose back to the other owner is what will he do with 3 picks? Won't he be "over the roster limit" on draft day?

I'd try and get two 100+ draft picks back from him.

Use the FBG calculator math to your advantage there as well (if need be - don't need to tell him about the calculator if you don't have to :) ).

A pick in the 150s and another later on balances out the trade and the rosters.

2. Just on an intrinsic value here, I like the ability to get 2 of the Top 10 players. Yes depth will be hurt as a result, but come on. You're a footballguy here. You will know about WR60s and 70s that will outperform their value and be fine for a weekly starter plug in value.

I don't know how "sharky" your league is, but imagine this draft:

7 - LaMont Jordan

9 - Ronnie Brown

31

42 - Donald Driver (ADP in mid 40s)

55

66 - Rod Smith (high 70s)

79 - Reggie Brown (80s)

...(84, 90, 103).... QB/TE/Best Player

108

That looks good to me.

You could go WR at 9 and pick up Marion Barber or DeAngelo Williams later in place of Rod Smith as well.

There are lots of ways to go, but locking up 2 of Top 10 and sharking at the deeper rounds is the way to go.

Good luck.

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Hi Jeff,

While this isn't a trade question...i thought i'd ask while this thread hasn't started jumping yet. Its more of a draft strategy question.

I'm joining a new league this year and haven't ever been in this format and was wondering if you have any experience with it and some draft startegies for me.

It's a standard FBG scoring league (6 pt all TDs). The only difference is that there are no requied TE's. Each week you start 4 WR/TE. So I can start 4 TE, 4 WR, or a mix.

I was wondering if my draft strategy should be any different? Since each week there will be 48 WRs starting...should i start loading up on the more talented WRs early? Maybe Draft RB, WR, WR, WR?

Interested to hear if you have an experience with this format and would appreciate any advice you could give. Thanks

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Hi Jeff,While this isn't a trade question...i thought i'd ask while this thread hasn't started jumping yet. Its more of a draft strategy question.I'm joining a new league this year and haven't ever been in this format and was wondering if you have any experience with it and some draft startegies for me.It's a standard FBG scoring league (6 pt all TDs). The only difference is that there are no requied TE's. Each week you start 4 WR/TE. So I can start 4 TE, 4 WR, or a mix.I was wondering if my draft strategy should be any different? Since each week there will be 48 WRs starting...should i start loading up on the more talented WRs early? Maybe Draft RB, WR, WR, WR? Interested to hear if you have an experience with this format and would appreciate any advice you could give. Thanks

Hi Micelli,Yes, "Trader Joe's" is in the first week and prior to its first column, so it is good timing.Since you didn't mention it, I assume no PPR.Therefore, you need to find TEs that will compete on the level of the Top 50 WRs. I'm assuming you'll want 7-9 on your squad, so that'll pretty much guarantee a TE.I'd run the draft dominator and just mix in the TEs with the WRs - if you zero out the TE requirement the DD knows to lump TEs with WRs.My gut would tell me that about the Top 10-15 TEs will be drafted. With that amount of depth, Top TEs are still valuable.I did a fast mock and the Top 10 WRs are gone by end of Round 3, and 30-35 are gone by Round 6 with most of Round 6 WRs. Gates goes about Round 4.Play with the DD a bit, but you will see what I mean.Good luck.

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Hey hey. Another trade if you've got some great advice for me again :)

16 team idp dynasty.

Guy really wants Ronnie Brown from me. All he has that Im interested in are Fitz and Reggie Wayne. He's got Delhomme, McNair, Mark Clayton, Keyshawn and most of Baltimore and Carolinas roster. I would have traded Brown and somthing for Steve Smith and Deangelo Williams, but he traded them for Fitz and Wayne.

So, should I ask for Fitz and Wayne straight up? Or is there somthing better I could get? Or is that not enough for Ronnie Brown this year. I really wanted to stay deep at RB if possible. But Brown isnt really as proven as Fitz or Wayne and the possibility that he could bust or not be able to carry the load in MIA at least bothers me a little. So what do you think I should do? I got Mike Bell for insurence I guess but who knows if he'll be the starter come sept. and Ricky Williams for next year, if he actually comes back. Other than that, just the Chicago backfield. His only RB's are Mike Anderson and Jamal Lewis. I have a lot of WRs, but a lot of them are based on potential or aging.

QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, W/R, K, D, D, DB, DB, DL, DL, DL, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN

Stat Categories: Completions (1)

Passing Yards (20 yards per point)

Passing Touchdowns (10)

Interceptions (-3)

Rushing Attempts (1)

Rushing Yards (4 yards per point)

Rushing Touchdowns (10)

Receptions (1)

Reception Yards (4 yards per point)

Reception Touchdowns (10)

Return Touchdowns (20)

2-Point Conversions (3)

Fumbles Lost (-3)

Offensive Fumble Return TD (20)

Field Goals 0-19 Yards (5)

Field Goals 20-29 Yards (6)

Field Goals 30-39 Yards (8)

Field Goals 40-49 Yards (12)

Field Goals 50+ Yards (15)

Point After Attempt Made (2)

Tackle Solo (3)

Tackle Assist (1)

Sack (10)

Interception (15)

Fumble Force (15)

Fumble Recovery (10)

Touchdown (20)

Safety (20)

Pass Defended (2)

Block Kick (20)

1. QB D. Culpepper MIA

2. QB R. Grossman CHI

3. WR V. Jackson SD

4. RB R. Brown MIA

5. RB T. Jones CHI

6. RB C. Benson CHI

7. RB A. Peterson Chi

8. WR C. Chambers MIA

9. WR M. Booker MIA

10. WR D. Gabriel OAK

11. WR M. Muhammad CHI

12. WR M. Bradley CHI

13. TE R. McMichael MIA

14. TE L. Pope ARI

15. WR P. Crayton

16. DL L. Hill Sea

17. DL B. Urlacher CHI

18. DL L. Briggs CHI

19. DL Z. Thomas MIA

20. DL J. Taylor MIA

21. DL C. Crowder MIA

22. DB N. Vasher CHI

23. DB M. Brown CHI

24. DB C. Tillman CHI

25. WR B. Marshall

Extended Bench:

1. RB M. Bell Den

2. QB A. Walter OAK

3. RB R. Williams MIA

4. DB J. Allen MIA

5. DB B. Pollard KC

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Good morning Jeff. I have a tough trade offer to deal with. Here are the details:

10 team, 10 player keeper. 6 points for all TD with distance bonus. 5 points for 100 yards rush/rec combined and 1 per 10 after that. NO PPR. My roster (3 QB, 6 RB, 6WR, 2TE, etc.....):

QB: McNair, Garrard, Brad Johnson

RB: Jackson, R. Brown, McGahee, K. Jones, Benson, T. Jones

WR: Fitz, Chad Johnson, Burress, Matt Jones, A. Johnson, D. Bennett

TE: Shockey

I was offered pick 2.7 for Thomas Jones. There will not be much by way of RB there but I may get a decent QB or WR or use the pick in some other trade on draft day. Do I do this deal or follow the article on the site about just releasing Jones so someone else may "fall" to me at 1.10?

Thanks for your help!!!!

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Considering a pre-draft trade of picks: I have the #7 pick in a 12 team w/1QB,2RB,3WR,1TE,K,D, high-performance, redraft, but I have NO 2nd round pick. My picks go #s 31, 42, 55, 66, 79, etc. I'll still have my 4th and 6th rounders. I traded my 2nd rounder last year for Steve Smith in week 10...he cooled off and I finished in second place.

Is this deal WORTH it to get the #9 overall pick for my 31, 55 and 108?

Or should I just stand pat and ride out the draft at my current position and suck it up?

Thanks in advance.

Ok, redraft.

So you have:

7

31

42

55

66

79

...(84, 90, 103)....

108

You're trading 31, 55, 108 for 9?

The FBG Calculator says "NO", but not by much. (1489 vs 1438, or -3%)

1. The question I would pose back to the other owner is what will he do with 3 picks? Won't he be "over the roster limit" on draft day?

I'd try and get two 100+ draft picks back from him.

Use the FBG calculator math to your advantage there as well (if need be - don't need to tell him about the calculator if you don't have to :) ).

A pick in the 150s and another later on balances out the trade and the rosters.

2. Just on an intrinsic value here, I like the ability to get 2 of the Top 10 players. Yes depth will be hurt as a result, but come on. You're a footballguy here. You will know about WR60s and 70s that will outperform their value and be fine for a weekly starter plug in value.

I don't know how "sharky" your league is, but imagine this draft:

7 - LaMont Jordan

9 - Ronnie Brown

31

42 - Donald Driver (ADP in mid 40s)

55

66 - Rod Smith (high 70s)

79 - Reggie Brown (80s)

...(84, 90, 103).... QB/TE/Best Player

108

That looks good to me.

You could go WR at 9 and pick up Marion Barber or DeAngelo Williams later in place of Rod Smith as well.

There are lots of ways to go, but locking up 2 of Top 10 and sharking at the deeper rounds is the way to go.

Good luck.

Jeff,

Thanks for the quick response. However, I gave you a wrong # in the trade. It is my 10th round, #114. My bad! With that said, the FBG calc says "NO" but only (1465 vs 1438, or -2%). So I take it that I'm still looking good, and I WILL get his 17th and 18th rounders too.

You quoted ...(84, 90, 103).... QB/TE/Best Player, but I don't get 84 in my spot. I'll then have these #s (90, 103, 127). Can you comment on these instead? My thinking is maybe:

90 - Aaron Brooks (ADP 104)

103 - LJ Smith (ADP 103) or Ben Watson (ADP 121)

127 - Kevin Curtis (ADP 129), Sammie Parker (ADP 187), Ernest Wilford (ADP 130)

I'm leaning toward Wilford. What do you think? Thanks in advance.

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Hey hey. Another trade if you've got some great advice for me again :)16 team idp dynasty.Guy really wants Ronnie Brown from me. All he has that Im interested in are Fitz and Reggie Wayne. He's got Delhomme, McNair, Mark Clayton, Keyshawn and most of Baltimore and Carolinas roster. I would have traded Brown and somthing for Steve Smith and Deangelo Williams, but he traded them for Fitz and Wayne.So, should I ask for Fitz and Wayne straight up? Or is there somthing better I could get? Or is that not enough for Ronnie Brown this year. I really wanted to stay deep at RB if possible. But Brown isnt really as proven as Fitz or Wayne and the possibility that he could bust or not be able to carry the load in MIA at least bothers me a little. So what do you think I should do? I got Mike Bell for insurence I guess but who knows if he'll be the starter come sept. and Ricky Williams for next year, if he actually comes back. Other than that, just the Chicago backfield. His only RB's are Mike Anderson and Jamal Lewis. I have a lot of WRs, but a lot of them are based on potential or aging.QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, W/R, K, D, D, DB, DB, DL, DL, DL, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BNStat Categories: Completions (1)Passing Yards (20 yards per point)Passing Touchdowns (10)Interceptions (-3)Rushing Attempts (1)Rushing Yards (4 yards per point)Rushing Touchdowns (10)Receptions (1)Reception Yards (4 yards per point)Reception Touchdowns (10)Return Touchdowns (20)2-Point Conversions (3)Fumbles Lost (-3)Offensive Fumble Return TD (20)Field Goals 0-19 Yards (5)Field Goals 20-29 Yards (6)Field Goals 30-39 Yards (8)Field Goals 40-49 Yards (12)Field Goals 50+ Yards (15)Point After Attempt Made (2)Tackle Solo (3)Tackle Assist (1)Sack (10)Interception (15)Fumble Force (15)Fumble Recovery (10)Touchdown (20)Safety (20)Pass Defended (2)Block Kick (20)1. QB D. Culpepper MIA2. QB R. Grossman CHI3. WR V. Jackson SD4. RB R. Brown MIA5. RB T. Jones CHI6. RB C. Benson CHI7. RB A. Peterson Chi8. WR C. Chambers MIA9. WR M. Booker MIA10. WR D. Gabriel OAK11. WR M. Muhammad CHI12. WR M. Bradley CHI13. TE R. McMichael MIA14. TE L. Pope ARI15. WR P. Crayton16. DL L. Hill Sea17. DL B. Urlacher CHI18. DL L. Briggs CHI19. DL Z. Thomas MIA20. DL J. Taylor MIA21. DL C. Crowder MIA22. DB N. Vasher CHI23. DB M. Brown CHI24. DB C. Tillman CHI25. WR B. MarshallExtended Bench:1. RB M. Bell Den2. QB A. Walter OAK3. RB R. Williams MIA 4. DB J. Allen MIA5. DB B. Pollard KC

You cannot expect two Top 10 WRs for a Top 10 RB. That's asking for too much.He obviously loves those 2 WRs since he went out and got them - the shine isn't worn off of that trade yet, so he may want too much for either one. However, since he's in love with Brown, so you should be able to get one of them.Go ahead and ask for both, but expect to (quickly) respond with one plus something. The other option is to offer a good WR and Brown for those 2. Keep in mind you'll be starting those 2 if you get them. I'd offer any of your WRs except for Chambers to go with Brown for those two.

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Good morning Jeff. I have a tough trade offer to deal with. Here are the details:10 team, 10 player keeper. 6 points for all TD with distance bonus. 5 points for 100 yards rush/rec combined and 1 per 10 after that. NO PPR. My roster (3 QB, 6 RB, 6WR, 2TE, etc.....):QB: McNair, Garrard, Brad JohnsonRB: Jackson, R. Brown, McGahee, K. Jones, Benson, T. JonesWR: Fitz, Chad Johnson, Burress, Matt Jones, A. Johnson, D. BennettTE: ShockeyI was offered pick 2.7 for Thomas Jones. There will not be much by way of RB there but I may get a decent QB or WR or use the pick in some other trade on draft day. Do I do this deal or follow the article on the site about just releasing Jones so someone else may "fall" to me at 1.10?Thanks for your help!!!!

Hate to answer with questions, but:1. Is the draft just rooks, or are vets in there too?2. Starting requirements?Somehow I don't think you start 6 RBs.....Keep in mind, in a keeper league pick 1.01 is Pick 1 + the total number of keepers for value purposes. That would be Pick 101 overall in this league here for example.

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Considering a pre-draft trade of picks: I have the #7 pick in a 12 team w/1QB,2RB,3WR,1TE,K,D, high-performance, redraft, but I have NO 2nd round pick. My picks go #s 31, 42, 55, 66, 79, etc. I'll still have my 4th and 6th rounders. I traded my 2nd rounder last year for Steve Smith in week 10...he cooled off and I finished in second place.

Is this deal WORTH it to get the #9 overall pick for my 31, 55 and 108?

Or should I just stand pat and ride out the draft at my current position and suck it up?

Thanks in advance.

Ok, redraft.

So you have:

7

31

42

55

66

79

...(84, 90, 103)....

108

You're trading 31, 55, 108 for 9?

The FBG Calculator says "NO", but not by much. (1489 vs 1438, or -3%)

1. The question I would pose back to the other owner is what will he do with 3 picks? Won't he be "over the roster limit" on draft day?

I'd try and get two 100+ draft picks back from him.

Use the FBG calculator math to your advantage there as well (if need be - don't need to tell him about the calculator if you don't have to :) ).

A pick in the 150s and another later on balances out the trade and the rosters.

2. Just on an intrinsic value here, I like the ability to get 2 of the Top 10 players. Yes depth will be hurt as a result, but come on. You're a footballguy here. You will know about WR60s and 70s that will outperform their value and be fine for a weekly starter plug in value.

I don't know how "sharky" your league is, but imagine this draft:

7 - LaMont Jordan

9 - Ronnie Brown

31

42 - Donald Driver (ADP in mid 40s)

55

66 - Rod Smith (high 70s)

79 - Reggie Brown (80s)

...(84, 90, 103).... QB/TE/Best Player

108

That looks good to me.

You could go WR at 9 and pick up Marion Barber or DeAngelo Williams later in place of Rod Smith as well.

There are lots of ways to go, but locking up 2 of Top 10 and sharking at the deeper rounds is the way to go.

Good luck.

Jeff,

Thanks for the quick response. However, I gave you a wrong # in the trade. It is my 10th round, #114. My bad! With that said, the FBG calc says "NO" but only (1465 vs 1438, or -2%). So I take it that I'm still looking good, and I WILL get his 17th and 18th rounders too.

You quoted ...(84, 90, 103).... QB/TE/Best Player, but I don't get 84 in my spot. I'll then have these #s (90, 103, 127). Can you comment on these instead? My thinking is maybe:

90 - Aaron Brooks (ADP 104)

103 - LJ Smith (ADP 103) or Ben Watson (ADP 121)

127 - Kevin Curtis (ADP 129), Sammie Parker (ADP 187), Ernest Wilford (ADP 130)

I'm leaning toward Wilford. What do you think? Thanks in advance.

I liked all that you did here except Wilford. I don't like any WRs in Jacksonville with such instability, but Reggie Williams is a super value IIRC.

Just checked - won't give it away (subscriber stuff) but he's a steal that late.

At 127, with that list - Samie Parker is my choice of those 3, but don't sleep on Isaac Bruce. Yes, over Curtis.

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Hack,

Thanks for the comment - I'm aware of the store, and somehow I don't think we are in direct competition.

Worst... sense of humor... ever

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Hey Jeff, great site. I'm hoping you could answer a couple of questions for me.

I'm in a maximum three player keeper league, with it being a 12 team league. We start 1 QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/1K, maximum of 14 player roster, with an injured reserve option to pick up only one player of the same position if a guy is doubtful or out on the NFL injury report.

My only player worth keeping looks to be Cadillac. Building up to last season's trade deadline I have acquired extra picks for the upcoming draft. I backed into the playoffs and made it to 3rd place with the following roster: M. Hasselbeck & Eli, Caddy, Dillon, Moats, Mike Anderson, Santana Moss, Muhammad, Mark Clayton (Baltimore), Toomer, Shockey, Bryan Fletcher, Tynes and Bironas. It was my first year in the league and took over a roster that only had Dillon on it and was short on draft picks.

As of now, my drafting order is:

Rd 1 - Caddy (keeper 1.10); Rd 2 (Open pick, no keeper 2.10); Rd 3 (Open pick, no keeper 3.10), 4.10; 4.12; 5.03; 5.11; 6.04; 7.03; 10.10; 10.12; 11.03; 12.10; 13.03; 14.10.

That amounts to 15 picks for a 14 player roster.

What would be good value in terms of trading an extra pick or two this year for a higher pick next year? For example, if I trade my 6.04, do I ask for a 5th round pick next year and a seventh round pick next this year OR should I ask for a 4th round pick next year? What rule of thumb should I use?

As well, another owner who has a history of overvaluing his players is offering me Ronnie Brown. I have him rated no higher than # 12 overall. I've offered, based on the pick value calculator 4.12; 6.04 and 7.03 for Ronnie Brown and his 9.07.

The other owner is lacking high draft picks as he traded most away to make a playoff push and didn't get in last year. He also happens to own and plans to keep Larry Johnson and Antonio Gates and probably will let JJ back into the draft. Do you think this is a fair offer for Ronnie Brown?

Thanks.

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Sorry folks, I was out for my anniversary.

Let's talk some trades.

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Hey Jeff, great site. I'm hoping you could answer a couple of questions for me.

I'm in a maximum three player keeper league, with it being a 12 team league. We start 1 QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/1K, maximum of 14 player roster, with an injured reserve option to pick up only one player of the same position if a guy is doubtful or out on the NFL injury report.

My only player worth keeping looks to be Cadillac. Building up to last season's trade deadline I have acquired extra picks for the upcoming draft. I backed into the playoffs and made it to 3rd place with the following roster: M. Hasselbeck & Eli, Caddy, Dillon, Moats, Mike Anderson, Santana Moss, Muhammad, Mark Clayton (Baltimore), Toomer, Shockey, Bryan Fletcher, Tynes and Bironas. It was my first year in the league and took over a roster that only had Dillon on it and was short on draft picks.

As of now, my drafting order is:

Rd 1 - Caddy (keeper 1.10); Rd 2 (Open pick, no keeper 2.10); Rd 3 (Open pick, no keeper 3.10), 4.10; 4.12; 5.03; 5.11; 6.04; 7.03; 10.10; 10.12; 11.03; 12.10; 13.03; 14.10.

That amounts to 15 picks for a 14 player roster.

What would be good value in terms of trading an extra pick or two this year for a higher pick next year? For example, if I trade my 6.04, do I ask for a 5th round pick next year and a seventh round pick next this year OR should I ask for a 4th round pick next year? What rule of thumb should I use?

As well, another owner who has a history of overvaluing his players is offering me Ronnie Brown. I have him rated no higher than # 12 overall. I've offered, based on the pick value calculator 4.12; 6.04 and 7.03 for Ronnie Brown and his 9.07.

The other owner is lacking high draft picks as he traded most away to make a playoff push and didn't get in last year. He also happens to own and plans to keep Larry Johnson and Antonio Gates and probably will let JJ back into the draft. Do you think this is a fair offer for Ronnie Brown?

Thanks.

Thanks, er, guy ;) .

There's a lot to cover here. I'll try to break it up.

Q1. What would be good value in terms of trading an extra pick or two this year for a higher pick next year?

For example, if I trade my 6.04, do I ask for a 5th round pick next year and a seventh round pick next this year OR should I ask for a 4th round pick next year? What rule of thumb should I use?

A1. Rules of thumb for future year picks.

This is really a loose rule (more of a guideline), but consider it about a "one year discount" for future value.

What I mean is this - take the round of the pick and subtract the number of years away it is, and that is (about) the comparable value.

For example, a 2008 4th rounder is worth about a 2006 6th (or a 2007 5th).

Now, this is a very loose rule, because the future value is dependent upon where that pick falls. This is especially important with higher picks (and more important in dynasty leagues, as rookies are worth so much more there).

Another thing to consider is the owner who owns the pick. Is he the defending champ or a perennial playoff team? Discount the pick further because that pick is likely to be a low pick in that round. Alternatively, increase the value of a pick coming from an owner who struggles every year.

As for your example, a 6.04 (early / mid 6th) this year is worth about a 5th next year, possibly slightly more, so your valuation was on target.

Q2. As well, another owner who has a history of overvaluing his players is offering me Ronnie Brown. I have him rated no higher than # 12 overall. I've offered, based on the pick value calculator 4.12; 6.04 and 7.03 for Ronnie Brown and his 9.07.

The other owner is lacking high draft picks as he traded most away to make a playoff push and didn't get in last year. He also happens to own and plans to keep Larry Johnson and Antonio Gates and probably will let JJ back into the draft. Do you think this is a fair offer for Ronnie Brown?

A2. I'm not surprised at his keeper choices. However, I don't follow your logic for valuing Ronnie Brown.

If you take Ronnie Brown now, he certianly becomes your second keeper (dropping in to you 2.10 slot).

That's quite a value considering you have him at 1.12 value. However, I think we have a disconnect on the valuation of the picks. Let's have a look.

Just using the FBG Pick Calculator and your offer:

4.12 (#48) = 606

6.04 (#64) = 455

7.03 (#75) = 358

for

Ronnie Brown

9.07 (#103) = 156

Which works out to be Ronnie Brown = 1263 points, or 2.01 (#13) = 1272 (close enough).

Here's the problem with that - you ALSO lose 2.10 since that's your keeper spot.

Now, let's throw that in (2.10 = #22 = 998), and you can see that this trade would be off.

But it reality, you're not trading the 2.10 to him - so which is the right math?

The truth is actually somewhere in between. Pick calculators often fail for keeper league trades. The question you have to ask yourself is this: What price are you willing to pay to get #12 talent at pick #22? That's 274 points using the draft calculator, which is roughly an 8th round pick.

If you can keep a talent like Ronnie Brown for multiple seasons, you should overpay (give more than an 8th) for that privilege, but giving up redraft value is likely to be excessive.

This leads me to the way I'd approach this scenario.

You have too many picks and not enough keepers. I'd be willing to say that another owner in your league has the opposite problem - too much talent to keep but not enough picks. So, you should talk with that owner and offer a pick for that player (say a fourth rounder), which isn't fair value for the player straight up, but it does give the owner with one too many keepers good value over getting nothing for him.

There are 36 players worth keeping in your league. Find the owner with four (or more) and offer a 4th for that player, straight up, using this same argument. You may get your second keeper as a result.

This is a great question and I may even use it in the column. :thumbup:

Thanks for the question(s) and good luck.

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