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Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
After his last few starts, this is actually GOOD news. Now if they'll just be smart and give Maine the 3rd spot over Trachsel, they might be alright.
shake zula
Footballguy
Damn Chase. Beat me to it. 
RBM
Footballguy
They were without him all year basically. He won only 9 games
Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
I can't tell you how glad I am that you posted that. Thanks, GB.
Capella
Footballguy
yea, you guys have been much better off without him.
Capella
Footballguy
Yes they are.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
I just don't get why Sox fans are happy with him not being there. Not like there is a salary cap. Makes no sense, the money isn't coming out of any fan's pocket. Sox fans don't have to justify the two terrible offseasons since the Series win, we all know how bad it's been. Theo basically dismantled a WS winner. People need to stop acting like they're glad John Henry saved a few million in exchange for a worse team.
ThisGuy
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I can't wait for the "We didn't need Manny" rationale in 2007.Capella said:I just don't get why Sox fans are happy with him not being there. Not like there is a salary cap. Makes no sense, the money isn't coming out of any fan's pocket. Sox fans don't have to justify the two terrible offseasons since the Series win, we all know how bad it's been. Theo basically dismantled a WS winner. People need to stop acting like they're glad John Henry saved a few million in exchange for a worse team.Pat Patriot said:Could have putCapella said:on this post coming from you. However, it is
anyway.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Ouch.
Capella
Footballguy
That was another good move by the Sox.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Manny is my favorite non-Yankee is baseball. Always loved the guy. Would love to have him on the Yankees. Problem is that these days there isn't a room for him on the roster.Any chance MLB goes to beer league rules and instituted the 4th outfielder? That would be cool.I can't wait for the "We didn't need Manny" rationale in 2007.Capella said:I just don't get why Sox fans are happy with him not being there. Not like there is a salary cap. Makes no sense, the money isn't coming out of any fan's pocket. Sox fans don't have to justify the two terrible offseasons since the Series win, we all know how bad it's been. Theo basically dismantled a WS winner. People need to stop acting like they're glad John Henry saved a few million in exchange for a worse team.Pat Patriot said:Could have putCapella said:
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Pat Patriot
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Manny is my favorite non-Yankee is baseball. Always loved the guy. Would love to have him on the Yankees. Problem is that these days there isn't a room for him on the roster.Any chance MLB goes to beer league rules and instituted the 4th outfielder? That would be cool.I can't wait for the "We didn't need Manny" rationale in 2007.Capella said:I just don't get why Sox fans are happy with him not being there. Not like there is a salary cap. Makes no sense, the money isn't coming out of any fan's pocket. Sox fans don't have to justify the two terrible offseasons since the Series win, we all know how bad it's been. Theo basically dismantled a WS winner. People need to stop acting like they're glad John Henry saved a few million in exchange for a worse team.Pat Patriot said:Could have putCapella said:
4th outfielder?Matsui ==== $12 millionDamon ===== $13 millionSheffield ==== $14 millionAbreu ===== $16 million5th outfielderManny ===== $20 millionHe'd fit in perfectly. Tell George to do it.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
DH, man, DH. It makes sense. Giambi looks like that big guy who can't do anything but hit who plays first in the local softball league who treats each 4 hour beer drinking contest in the middle of a game into his own personal world series. I'm just saying...Manny is my favorite non-Yankee is baseball. Always loved the guy. Would love to have him on the Yankees. Problem is that these days there isn't a room for him on the roster.Any chance MLB goes to beer league rules and instituted the 4th outfielder? That would be cool.I can't wait for the "We didn't need Manny" rationale in 2007.Capella said:I just don't get why Sox fans are happy with him not being there. Not like there is a salary cap. Makes no sense, the money isn't coming out of any fan's pocket. Sox fans don't have to justify the two terrible offseasons since the Series win, we all know how bad it's been. Theo basically dismantled a WS winner. People need to stop acting like they're glad John Henry saved a few million in exchange for a worse team.Pat Patriot said:Could have putCapella said:
Pat Patriot
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I could not have cared less about the money. I appreciate the greatness that was Pedro and all of the unbelievable years he gave us but for what they were getting out of him on the field, I couldnt take his Prima Donna status year after year.It bugs me when a guy doesnt finish the season because the team has been eliminated from contention. Pedro did this time after time.Capella said:I just don't get why Sox fans are happy with him not being there. Not like there is a salary cap. Makes no sense, the money isn't coming out of any fan's pocket. Sox fans don't have to justify the two terrible offseasons since the Series win, we all know how bad it's been. Theo basically dismantled a WS winner. People need to stop acting like they're glad John Henry saved a few million in exchange for a worse team.Pat Patriot said:Could have putCapella said:
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
See, Giambi is the DH. I guess if you move Sheffield to first and can Manny catch? It might work. If some of the older guys can hang on until Cano becomes a free agent, the Yankees will have an all +$10 million lineup.DH, man, DH. It makes sense. Giambi looks like that big guy who can't do anything but hit who plays first in the local softball league who treats each 4 hour beer drinking contest in the middle of a game into his own personal world series. I'm just saying...Manny is my favorite non-Yankee is baseball. Always loved the guy. Would love to have him on the Yankees. Problem is that these days there isn't a room for him on the roster.Any chance MLB goes to beer league rules and instituted the 4th outfielder? That would be cool.I can't wait for the "We didn't need Manny" rationale in 2007.Capella said:I just don't get why Sox fans are happy with him not being there. Not like there is a salary cap. Makes no sense, the money isn't coming out of any fan's pocket. Sox fans don't have to justify the two terrible offseasons since the Series win, we all know how bad it's been. Theo basically dismantled a WS winner. People need to stop acting like they're glad John Henry saved a few million in exchange for a worse team.Pat Patriot said:Could have putCapella said:
jamny
Footballguy
Should be an interesting post-season. Who would have predicted El Duque as the Mets top dog?
They don't have great pitchers, but I think all of them can keep the team in games. With the offense they have, that should be good enough.
I'll admit I'm not as stoked at the prospects of another Subway Series though.
Go Twins!
They don't have great pitchers, but I think all of them can keep the team in games. With the offense they have, that should be good enough.
I'll admit I'm not as stoked at the prospects of another Subway Series though.
Go Twins!
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Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I'm on the Twins. $50 worth at +350
Yankee23Fan
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Sorry, not DH. AH. Alternate hitter. We had them in the leagues I played. 4 outfielders, DH and AH just to let one more person play - usually the guy who could run or field anymore but bought the most beer.I'm telling you, this is gold.And don't go near Cano. That guy is gold.See, Giambi is the DH. I guess if you move Sheffield to first and can Manny catch? It might work. If some of the older guys can hang on until Cano becomes a free agent, the Yankees will have an all +$10 million lineup.DH, man, DH. It makes sense. Giambi looks like that big guy who can't do anything but hit who plays first in the local softball league who treats each 4 hour beer drinking contest in the middle of a game into his own personal world series. I'm just saying...Manny is my favorite non-Yankee is baseball. Always loved the guy. Would love to have him on the Yankees. Problem is that these days there isn't a room for him on the roster.Any chance MLB goes to beer league rules and instituted the 4th outfielder? That would be cool.I can't wait for the "We didn't need Manny" rationale in 2007.Capella said:I just don't get why Sox fans are happy with him not being there. Not like there is a salary cap. Makes no sense, the money isn't coming out of any fan's pocket. Sox fans don't have to justify the two terrible offseasons since the Series win, we all know how bad it's been. Theo basically dismantled a WS winner. People need to stop acting like they're glad John Henry saved a few million in exchange for a worse team.Pat Patriot said:Could have putCapella said:
bakes
I am the Beer God!
Or just sign the ####### Kansas City Royals.
Koya
Footballguy
The fact is Pedro is the Mets MVP this year.
The signing of Pedro turned this franchise around. Beltran followed, the young guys matured a bit, then Delgado came over - the whole swagger of the team began.
Without Pedro who knows, Mets might still be those ol' Mets. I am certainly bummed that he is not a go, but am thankful for Pedro changing the face of this franchise none the less.
The signing of Pedro turned this franchise around. Beltran followed, the young guys matured a bit, then Delgado came over - the whole swagger of the team began.
Without Pedro who knows, Mets might still be those ol' Mets. I am certainly bummed that he is not a go, but am thankful for Pedro changing the face of this franchise none the less.
Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
The NL playoff teams are a bunch of flawed mediocre teams. Any one of them could win it if they got hot enough, except for maybe the Cards who pretty much suck.I don't think any of the NL teams has a snowball's chance in hell of winning the Series.
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phillzphan
Footballguy
SD isn't making the playoffs.Padres = Peavy, Young, Meridith, HoffmanTruckasaurus said:Mets = Reyes, Wright, Delgado, Beltran.San Diego =tommyGunZ said:
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
You don't think Oswalt and Clemens have a shot in a 7 game series?
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Care for a friendly wager? $20?SD isn't making the playoffs.Padres = Peavy, Young, Meridith, HoffmanTruckasaurus said:Mets = Reyes, Wright, Delgado, Beltran.San Diego =tommyGunZ said:
Capella
Footballguy
I'll take $20 that they don't win the NL.Care for a friendly wager? $20?SD isn't making the playoffs.Padres = Peavy, Young, Meridith, HoffmanTruckasaurus said:Mets = Reyes, Wright, Delgado, Beltran.San Diego =tommyGunZ said:
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
I'll take $20 that the Devil Rays don't win the AL.I'll take $20 that they don't win the NL.Care for a friendly wager? $20?SD isn't making the playoffs.Padres = Peavy, Young, Meridith, HoffmanTruckasaurus said:Mets = Reyes, Wright, Delgado, Beltran.San Diego =tommyGunZ said:
Capella
Footballguy
I'll take $20 that San Diego has never won a championship of any kind.I'll take $20 that the Devil Rays don't win the AL.I'll take $20 that they don't win the NL.Care for a friendly wager? $20?SD isn't making the playoffs.Padres = Peavy, Young, Meridith, HoffmanTruckasaurus said:Mets = Reyes, Wright, Delgado, Beltran.San Diego =tommyGunZ said:
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
San Diego Shockers - 10 championships I accept PayPal - TIAI'll take $20 that San Diego has never won a championship of any kind.I'll take $20 that the Devil Rays don't win the AL.I'll take $20 that they don't win the NL.Care for a friendly wager? $20?SD isn't making the playoffs.Padres = Peavy, Young, Meridith, HoffmanTruckasaurus said:Mets = Reyes, Wright, Delgado, Beltran.San Diego =tommyGunZ said:
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I heard a rumor that Manny's agent has already asked the Sox to trade him (again) this offseason (again). Manny is starting to crack me up, as he keeps asking to be traded and that he so wants out of town, yet when he hears the teams that get involved he gets picky about his destination. Boston also cracks me up because they seem to think that they can find another guy off hte street to hit .300/40/120.Things didn't work out as planned this year, as all the young prospects the Sox traded did better than the guys they brought in (and for a lot less money). Except for Marte, the other guys did really well.I can't wait for the "We didn't need Manny" rationale in 2007.Capella said:I just don't get why Sox fans are happy with him not being there. Not like there is a salary cap. Makes no sense, the money isn't coming out of any fan's pocket. Sox fans don't have to justify the two terrible offseasons since the Series win, we all know how bad it's been. Theo basically dismantled a WS winner. People need to stop acting like they're glad John Henry saved a few million in exchange for a worse team.Pat Patriot said:Could have putCapella said:
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Didn't know you were a Saux fan Yudkin. Thanks for Josh Bard and Cla Meridith, and for taking that waste of human flesh Doug Mirabelli off our hands.I heard a rumor that Manny's agent has already asked the Sox to trade him (again) this offseason (again). Manny is starting to crack me up, as he keeps asking to be traded and that he so wants out of town, yet when he hears the teams that get involved he gets picky about his destination. Boston also cracks me up because they seem to think that they can find another guy off hte street to hit .300/40/120.Things didn't work out as planned this year, as all the young prospects the Sox traded did better than the guys they brought in (and for a lot less money). Except for Marte, the other guys did really well.I can't wait for the "We didn't need Manny" rationale in 2007.Capella said:I just don't get why Sox fans are happy with him not being there. Not like there is a salary cap. Makes no sense, the money isn't coming out of any fan's pocket. Sox fans don't have to justify the two terrible offseasons since the Series win, we all know how bad it's been. Theo basically dismantled a WS winner. People need to stop acting like they're glad John Henry saved a few million in exchange for a worse team.Pat Patriot said:Could have putCapella said:
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Paypal info: tommywright3@hotmail.comTake your time gb, I know things are tight down in FL these days.Shockers
Capella
Footballguy
Soccer doesn't count. Sorry.Paypal info: tommywright3@hotmail.comTake your time gb, I know things are tight down in FL these days.Shockers
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Sad but true. I suffered for years. But we won, so I don't need to watch anymore. (They didn't win in my dad's entire LIFETIME.) Liked the Padres when I lived in CA, but that was the mid-80's team with the likes of Gwynn, Garvey, Wiggins, McReynolds, Nettles, Templeton, Show, Hawkins, Gossage, etc.Didn't know you were a Saux fan Yudkin. Thanks for Josh Bard and Cla Meridith, and for taking that waste of human flesh Doug Mirabelli off our hands.I heard a rumor that Manny's agent has already asked the Sox to trade him (again) this offseason (again). Manny is starting to crack me up, as he keeps asking to be traded and that he so wants out of town, yet when he hears the teams that get involved he gets picky about his destination. Boston also cracks me up because they seem to think that they can find another guy off hte street to hit .300/40/120.Things didn't work out as planned this year, as all the young prospects the Sox traded did better than the guys they brought in (and for a lot less money). Except for Marte, the other guys did really well.I can't wait for the "We didn't need Manny" rationale in 2007.Capella said:I just don't get why Sox fans are happy with him not being there. Not like there is a salary cap. Makes no sense, the money isn't coming out of any fan's pocket. Sox fans don't have to justify the two terrible offseasons since the Series win, we all know how bad it's been. Theo basically dismantled a WS winner. People need to stop acting like they're glad John Henry saved a few million in exchange for a worse team.Pat Patriot said:Could have putCapella said:
doctor Gunks
Footballguy
El Duque has a very nice record against the Padres, and Wagner is as good as Hoffman.That said, I wouldn't bet the farm on the Mets in a 7 game series. Both play in pitcher's parks, their 6 games have all been pretty close this year (Mets have won 4 of 6, but Pedro had two of those wins. However, the only guy the Padres really touched up was the dear departed Zambrano). Losing Pedro hurts, as it means they have to rely on Trachsel, but I would side with the Padres not having enough firepower to take advantage of Pedro's absence. But it's no lock, the Mets run differential suggests that they aren't as good as their record.Padres = Peavy, Young, Meridith, HoffmanTruckasaurus said:Mets = Reyes, Wright, Delgado, Beltran.San Diego =tommyGunZ said:
doctor Gunks
Footballguy
Nope, it's still the Mets. At this point, being a 100% lock to actually be in the playoffs goes a long way.
Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
Nope. They'll look great losing close games or having their bullpen blow it for them though.
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