beto
Footballguy
Nice analysis. How do you feel now after all of the guys declaring for the draft? My feeling is that this draft will possible go over 12 deep in great dynasty prospects.Any Deshean Jackson news?
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Trade Master
Footballguy
he has been consistent enough in his starts, that he should at least get a chance.
I'm confused because last season jay cutler did pretty much the same against bad competition and ppl were going crazy about him. Also you don't need a great qb to get you into the playoffs collins proves that this year and hell the ravens won the SB with trent dilfer. Now I will agree that redman stunk it up vs the bucs but I still say he warrants a shot at starting and the Falcons don't NEED to spend their first on a qb. BTW don't forget about the talented dj shockey alsoHe did alright, but you can't possibly think Redman will bring your team to the playoffs. He's no Todd Collins.The only tough defense he played against (except Seattle, but that was week 17) is Tampa Bay. Check how he did that game, if you're content with that, don't draft a QB. game logsI like Redman and feel they should stick with him. I'm just not sure their 100% sold on him.As much as I love norwood and despite the fact that I own him in both of my dynasty leagues I would be surprised if atlanta made him their featured rb. He can't stay healthy with even a limited role, no way he could handle 250 -300 carries. For those ppl who say atlanta needs a qb take a closer look at chris redman, in his 5 starts he passed for nearly 1,100 yards and 10TDs. Now their schedule then was fairly easy and he will be 30 next year but qb is far from an immediate need.Dmac, Stewart, and Jones have yet to declare but IMO it's a sure thing that dmac and stewart come out, I'm anxious to see what jones doesWhat's the word on J Stewart? The anticipation is killing me.
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Gridiron King
Footballguy
McFadden declares for draft!!! As we thought he would. What about Felix?
He's announcing his decision on Monday, supposedly he's going to declare
jeter23
Footballguy
No James Davis?
woops. Totally missed him coming out. Edited w/ him in the mid second.
Another thing I want to point out is that My rankings aren't based totally on talent, but rather my guesses as to where and when they will be drafted, which is why I have a guy like Hart ranked so high.
Another thing I want to point out is that My rankings aren't based totally on talent, but rather my guesses as to where and when they will be drafted, which is why I have a guy like Hart ranked so high.
Rodeojones
Footballguy
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
So, what's people's 1st round FFB mocks look like now (still assuming McFadden and Jones declare) with all of the top prospects having made their decision? Please state PPR or not, and IDP or not. I don't like any of the QBs as much as McFadden, Stewart, Mendenhall, Jones, Rice, Charles, Slaton or M.Kelly for PPR, non-IDP and probably pretty close to that order as of right now. I'd put J.Davis and K.Smith after the big 3 QBs, followed by your next favorite WR (D.Jackson?). After that, I need more time and info. Of course, much changes between now and the combine and draft day, but some of us start gambling now.
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EBF
Footballguy
It's way too early to say with much accuracy. There will be a lot of movement in picks 1.05-1.12 over the next few months. But here's a quick stab at what the top 12 might look like in a PPR league:1. RB Darren McFadden2. RB Jonathan Stewart3. RB Rashard Mendenhall4. RB Felix Jones5. RB Kevin Smith6. RB Ray Rice7. WR Malcolm Kelly8. RB Jamaal Charles9. QB Brian Brohm10. WR DeSean Jackson11. RB James Davis12. RB Steve Slaton The abundance of RBs in the top 12 is due to two main factors:1. Good depth at RB this year2. No elite prospects at WR or QB this year
It is very early because we don't know what kind of situation these Rookies will be put in. Inevitably, some of these RBs will be put in more opportunistic situations than others. As we've seen just this past season, guys like DeShawn Wynn, Ahmad Bradshaw and Darius Walker have been thrust into starting spots due to the lack of talent on their particular team. So now I'm just thinking about the upside of these players based upon their best potential situation.1. RB Darren McFadden2. RB Jonathan Stewart3. RB Felix Jones4. RB Ray Rice5. RB Rashard Mendenhall6. WR Adarius Bowman7. RB Steve Slaton8. WR Malcolm Kelly9. RB James Davis10. QB Brian Brohm11. RB Kevin Smith12. WR Early DoucetBubble:QB Matt RyanQB Andre WoodsonRB Jamaal CharlesRB Mike HartRB Tashard ChoiceRB Chris JohnsonWR DeSean JacksonWR Limas SweedWR Earl BennettWR James HardyWR D.J. HallWR Mario ManninghamWR Keenan BurtonWR Devin ThomasWR Harry Douglas IV
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I've seen quite alot of Ryan being a MAss homer, and I'd agree he should become a solid NFL QB. I can see his career progressing similarly to Pennington in his first few seasons (...but we all know how he turned out). That said, I think one day he could be a similar talent to Roethlisberger.My rankings are based on fantasy potential, and although I think Ryan could easily be starting from Day 1, I don't see him being on the fantasy radar until Year 2-3 at the earliest. And I can't see him ranking ahead of Brady, Peyton, Palmer, Brees, Cutler in the coming years. He should be in the mix with guys like Young, Leinart, Schaub, Rivers, Edwards, Eli, Campbell, JaMarcus and whoever gets to QB the Browns for and 2010 going forward.ETA: I have Ryan in the mix with Hart and Charles on the cusp of my top 12.
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EBF
Footballguy
Scout.com has updated their database. Here are the overall ranks for the first 24 skill position prospects:
1. RB Darren McFadden
10. RB Jonathan Stewart
12. WR James Hardy
13. QB Matt Ryan
14. WR Malcolm Kelly
18. RB Jamaal Charles
20. WR Early Doucet
21. TE Fred Davis
22. QB Joe Flacco
26. RB Rashard Mendenhall
27. WR DeSean Jackson
28. WR Adarius Bowman
29. QB Brian Brohm
33. WR Donnie Avery
36. TE Martellus Bennett
37. QB Andre Woodson
39. WR Harry Douglas
40. WR Earl Bennett
42. RB Steve Slaton
45. WR Devin Thomas
48. WR Limas Sweed
49. QB Chad Henne
50. WR Andre Caldwell
53. TE Martin Rucker
Others:
55. RB James Davis
59. RB Chris Johnson
87. RB Kevin Smith
93. RB Ray Rice
98. RB Dantrell Savage
106. RB Mike Hart
N/A RB Felix Jones (looks like they forgot to list him)
Some thoughts here:
It looks like Jamaal Charles and Chris Johnson could go ahead of Kevin Smith and Ray Rice. That's not such a huge surprise when you consider that both speedsters are going to raise some eyebrows in their workouts. Charles at 18 overall is the highest I've seen him.
It could be an ugly year for QBs, which is what I've believed all along. Henne might actually be the best of the bunch and he won't be a first round pick. Woodson, Brohm, and Ryan aren't even in the top 10 at this point, which is a bad sign. You have to think someone will reach for one or two of those guys in the top 10-15 on draft day, but I say avoid them in your drafts. The presence of Joe Flacco in the top 25 is a surprise, but not a huge one.
So much for the great RB depth this year. There are four in top 25, but only 10 in the top 100, which is fairly average.
1. RB Darren McFadden
10. RB Jonathan Stewart
12. WR James Hardy
13. QB Matt Ryan
14. WR Malcolm Kelly
18. RB Jamaal Charles
20. WR Early Doucet
21. TE Fred Davis
22. QB Joe Flacco
26. RB Rashard Mendenhall
27. WR DeSean Jackson
28. WR Adarius Bowman
29. QB Brian Brohm
33. WR Donnie Avery
36. TE Martellus Bennett
37. QB Andre Woodson
39. WR Harry Douglas
40. WR Earl Bennett
42. RB Steve Slaton
45. WR Devin Thomas
48. WR Limas Sweed
49. QB Chad Henne
50. WR Andre Caldwell
53. TE Martin Rucker
Others:
55. RB James Davis
59. RB Chris Johnson
87. RB Kevin Smith
93. RB Ray Rice
98. RB Dantrell Savage
106. RB Mike Hart
N/A RB Felix Jones (looks like they forgot to list him)
Some thoughts here:
It looks like Jamaal Charles and Chris Johnson could go ahead of Kevin Smith and Ray Rice. That's not such a huge surprise when you consider that both speedsters are going to raise some eyebrows in their workouts. Charles at 18 overall is the highest I've seen him.
It could be an ugly year for QBs, which is what I've believed all along. Henne might actually be the best of the bunch and he won't be a first round pick. Woodson, Brohm, and Ryan aren't even in the top 10 at this point, which is a bad sign. You have to think someone will reach for one or two of those guys in the top 10-15 on draft day, but I say avoid them in your drafts. The presence of Joe Flacco in the top 25 is a surprise, but not a huge one.
So much for the great RB depth this year. There are four in top 25, but only 10 in the top 100, which is fairly average.
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ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Guess I like Rice a lot better than Scout.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
I don't think I'll be using that list as any kind of "cheat sheet" either.
beto
Footballguy
My latest list
1. Darren McFadden RB Arkansas (JR)
2. Johnathan Stewart RB Oregon (JR)
3. Ray Rice RB Rutgers (JR)
4. Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois (JR)
5. Felix Jones RB Arkansas (JR)
6. Jamaal Charles RB Texas (JR)
7. Kevin Smith RB UCF (JR)
8. James Hardy WR Indiana (JR)
9. Adarius Bowman WR Oklahoma St
10. Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma (JR)
11. Steve Slaton RB WVU (JR)
12. Mario Manningham WR Michigan (JR)
1. Darren McFadden RB Arkansas (JR)
2. Johnathan Stewart RB Oregon (JR)
3. Ray Rice RB Rutgers (JR)
4. Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois (JR)
5. Felix Jones RB Arkansas (JR)
6. Jamaal Charles RB Texas (JR)
7. Kevin Smith RB UCF (JR)
8. James Hardy WR Indiana (JR)
9. Adarius Bowman WR Oklahoma St
10. Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma (JR)
11. Steve Slaton RB WVU (JR)
12. Mario Manningham WR Michigan (JR)
corpcow
Footballguy
In one league, I own 1.04, 1.08, 2.1 and 2.10.... so when I first look at the apparent depth in this draft I get very excited. (Especially since I have depth already at WR, and not so much at RB, and last year I didn't even select a RB - just Russell and Rice in the first and traded down later).
Anyway, obviously a lot of this depends on who ends up where, and even then we never know. I had originally resolved to keep up more with college ball (even joining a college fantasy league) but with my wedding and a number of other distractions that never came to pass.
So my question for you college guys is... are we really looking at such an amazing draft this year, or are we just dealing with inflated rankings?
Looking at Scout.com, there seems to be a ridiculous number of 5 star guys coming out this year.
RBs
2008: there are FIVE 5-star prospects: DMC, Stewart, Jamaal Charles, Felix Jones, Mendenhall. And seven more as 3-stars: Slaton, J.Davis, Chris Johnson, Kevin Smith, Rice, Dantrell Savage, Mike Hart. By contrast...
2007 had just 2 5-star propects (AD and Lynch) and 7 4-star guys (Pittman, Hunt, Irons, B.Jax, Booker, Henry, Leonard).
2006 had just 1 5-star prospect (Bush), and then a slew of potential studs with 4-stars: Maroney, MJD, Lendale, Addai.
2005 - where 3 RBs went in the top 5 - there were NO 5 star prospects and only 3 4-star prospects. Of course, looking back, Gore, Grant, Jacobs and MBIII were all 3-stars that year.
2004: 5-stars to S.Jax and K.Jones. 2 4 stars including JJ, and Chris Perry... Turner getting 3 stars.
2003: 5-star to McGahee, 4 stars to LJ, Musa Smith and Lee Suggs . D.Davis had 3, Fargas had 3 and could emerge after this year, E.Graham had 2.So looking back to 2003... all of the 5-star prospects are viable RB1s going forward... AD, Lynch, Bush, S.Jax, KJ (injuries aside), McGahee. The 3 and 4 star guys are more of a mixed bag. We had 6 total 5-star prospects in 5 years, and then a total of *5* this year. Are there really 5 potential stud franchise RBs in this draft?
On the WR side...
2008: there are SIX 5-star guys this year (Hardy, Kelly, Doucet, Jackson, Mario, Adarius, Avery).
2007: Only 2 5-stars - CJ and Meachem. Meachem was nothing this year, and Bowe, Rice, and maybe Jarrett all as 4-star pass them... time will tell.
2006: No 5-stars, Chad Jackson and Santonio as 4-stars. Jennings was 3 star, Brandon Marshall and Colston both 2 stars.
2005: No 5-stars, with Braylon as a 4-star prospect. Other 4-stars not worth much, with the 3 stars of Vincent Jackson, Clayton, Roddy White, not much else.
2004: Three 5-stars - Larry Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Reggie Williams. A mixed bag again at 3 and 4 stars (Berrian, Cotchery, Wilford being notable going forward).
2003: 5 of the 5-star guys: AJ, Rogers
, Taylor Jacobs, Kelley Washington, Bryant Johson. Boldin was a notable 3 star guy, Curtis at 4 stars, but otherwise an unremarkable draft.So again, 10 5-star prospects over the past 5 years, and now SIX this year. Obviously WR is a much more mixed bag when looking at success of the 5-star guys, but with some of them maybe it's more of an opportunity thing (e.g., Bryant Johnson).
QBs:
2008: 3 5-stars (Matt Ryan, Flacco, Brohm) and 4 4-stars (Woodson, Hene, Brennan, Ainge).
2007: 2 5-stars - Russell and Quinn - but obviously jury is out on them. 4 4-stars which includes Trent Edwards, Kolb, Beck and Troy Smith where starters may emerge. Nothing else here.
2006: 1 5-star (Leinart) and 2 4-stars (VY and Cutler). Clemens and Croyle both had 3 stars, Tavaris at 2.
2005: No 5 star guys. Rodgers and Alex Smith at 4 stars, Campbell at 3 and Derek Anderson at 2. Most noteworthy otherwise was Joshua Cribbs who found a place as a return specialist.
2004: 3 5-star guys who are all viable starters (Rivers, Eli, Ben). Losman and Schaub as 4 and 3 stars respectively.
2003: 4 5-star guys: Palmer, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman. Romo was a 1 star guy, no one else remarkable below the 5 star guys (and even they were mixed).So 9 5-star QBs in the past 5 years, and then 3 this year.
In other words.... Over the past 5 years, there were 25 5-star prospects according to Scout.com, and this year there are 14 this year. And there are plenty of 3 and 4 star guys behind them.
Is this one of the most loaded drafts in a long time?
Anyway, obviously a lot of this depends on who ends up where, and even then we never know. I had originally resolved to keep up more with college ball (even joining a college fantasy league) but with my wedding and a number of other distractions that never came to pass.
So my question for you college guys is... are we really looking at such an amazing draft this year, or are we just dealing with inflated rankings?
Looking at Scout.com, there seems to be a ridiculous number of 5 star guys coming out this year.
RBs
2008: there are FIVE 5-star prospects: DMC, Stewart, Jamaal Charles, Felix Jones, Mendenhall. And seven more as 3-stars: Slaton, J.Davis, Chris Johnson, Kevin Smith, Rice, Dantrell Savage, Mike Hart. By contrast...
2007 had just 2 5-star propects (AD and Lynch) and 7 4-star guys (Pittman, Hunt, Irons, B.Jax, Booker, Henry, Leonard).
2006 had just 1 5-star prospect (Bush), and then a slew of potential studs with 4-stars: Maroney, MJD, Lendale, Addai.
2005 - where 3 RBs went in the top 5 - there were NO 5 star prospects and only 3 4-star prospects. Of course, looking back, Gore, Grant, Jacobs and MBIII were all 3-stars that year.
2004: 5-stars to S.Jax and K.Jones. 2 4 stars including JJ, and Chris Perry... Turner getting 3 stars.
2003: 5-star to McGahee, 4 stars to LJ, Musa Smith and Lee Suggs
. D.Davis had 3, Fargas had 3 and could emerge after this year, E.Graham had 2.So looking back to 2003... all of the 5-star prospects are viable RB1s going forward... AD, Lynch, Bush, S.Jax, KJ (injuries aside), McGahee. The 3 and 4 star guys are more of a mixed bag. We had 6 total 5-star prospects in 5 years, and then a total of *5* this year. Are there really 5 potential stud franchise RBs in this draft?On the WR side...
2008: there are SIX 5-star guys this year (Hardy, Kelly, Doucet, Jackson, Mario, Adarius, Avery).
2007: Only 2 5-stars - CJ and Meachem. Meachem was nothing this year, and Bowe, Rice, and maybe Jarrett all as 4-star pass them... time will tell.
2006: No 5-stars, Chad Jackson and Santonio as 4-stars. Jennings was 3 star, Brandon Marshall and Colston both 2 stars.
2005: No 5-stars, with Braylon as a 4-star prospect. Other 4-stars not worth much, with the 3 stars of Vincent Jackson, Clayton, Roddy White, not much else.
2004: Three 5-stars - Larry Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Reggie Williams. A mixed bag again at 3 and 4 stars (Berrian, Cotchery, Wilford being notable going forward).
2003: 5 of the 5-star guys: AJ, Rogers
, Taylor Jacobs, Kelley Washington, Bryant Johson. Boldin was a notable 3 star guy, Curtis at 4 stars, but otherwise an unremarkable draft.So again, 10 5-star prospects over the past 5 years, and now SIX this year. Obviously WR is a much more mixed bag when looking at success of the 5-star guys, but with some of them maybe it's more of an opportunity thing (e.g., Bryant Johnson).QBs:
2008: 3 5-stars (Matt Ryan, Flacco, Brohm) and 4 4-stars (Woodson, Hene, Brennan, Ainge).
2007: 2 5-stars - Russell and Quinn - but obviously jury is out on them. 4 4-stars which includes Trent Edwards, Kolb, Beck and Troy Smith where starters may emerge. Nothing else here.
2006: 1 5-star (Leinart) and 2 4-stars (VY and Cutler). Clemens and Croyle both had 3 stars, Tavaris at 2.
2005: No 5 star guys. Rodgers and Alex Smith at 4 stars, Campbell at 3 and Derek Anderson at 2. Most noteworthy otherwise was Joshua Cribbs who found a place as a return specialist.
2004: 3 5-star guys who are all viable starters (Rivers, Eli, Ben). Losman and Schaub as 4 and 3 stars respectively.
2003: 4 5-star guys: Palmer, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman. Romo was a 1 star guy, no one else remarkable below the 5 star guys (and even they were mixed).So 9 5-star QBs in the past 5 years, and then 3 this year.
In other words.... Over the past 5 years, there were 25 5-star prospects according to Scout.com, and this year there are 14 this year. And there are plenty of 3 and 4 star guys behind them.
Is this one of the most loaded drafts in a long time?
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EBF
Footballguy
You can't compare the star ratings from one year to another. They're clearly inflated this year. The fact that there are six 5 star WRs this year ought to be evidence enough.In one league, I own 1.04, 1.08, 2.1 and 2.10.... so when I first look at the apparent depth in this draft I get very excited. (Especially since I have depth already at WR, and not so much at RB, and last year I didn't even select a RB - just Russell and Rice in the first and traded down later).
Anyway, obviously a lot of this depends on who ends up where, and even then we never know. I had originally resolved to keep up more with college ball (even joining a college fantasy league) but with my wedding and a number of other distractions that never came to pass.
So my question for you college guys is... are we really looking at such an amazing draft this year, or are we just dealing with inflated rankings?
Looking at Scout.com, there seems to be a ridiculous number of 5 star guys coming out this year.
RBs
2008: there are FIVE 5-star prospects: DMC, Stewart, Jamaal Charles, Felix Jones, Mendenhall. And seven more as 3-stars: Slaton, J.Davis, Chris Johnson, Kevin Smith, Rice, Dantrell Savage, Mike Hart. By contrast...
2007 had just 2 5-star propects (AD and Lynch) and 7 4-star guys (Pittman, Hunt, Irons, B.Jax, Booker, Henry, Leonard).
2006 had just 1 5-star prospect (Bush), and then a slew of potential studs with 4-stars: Maroney, MJD, Lendale, Addai.
2005 - where 3 RBs went in the top 5 - there were NO 5 star prospects and only 3 4-star prospects. Of course, looking back, Gore, Grant, Jacobs and MBIII were all 3-stars that year.
2004: 5-stars to S.Jax and K.Jones. 2 4 stars including JJ, and Chris Perry... Turner getting 3 stars.
2003: 5-star to McGahee, 4 stars to LJ, Musa Smith and Lee Suggs
On the WR side...
2008: there are SIX 5-star guys this year (Hardy, Kelly, Doucet, Jackson, Mario, Adarius, Avery).
2007: Only 2 5-stars - CJ and Meachem. Meachem was nothing this year, and Bowe, Rice, and maybe Jarrett all as 4-star pass them... time will tell.
2006: No 5-stars, Chad Jackson and Santonio as 4-stars. Jennings was 3 star, Brandon Marshall and Colston both 2 stars.
2005: No 5-stars, with Braylon as a 4-star prospect. Other 4-stars not worth much, with the 3 stars of Vincent Jackson, Clayton, Roddy White, not much else.
2004: Three 5-stars - Larry Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Reggie Williams. A mixed bag again at 3 and 4 stars (Berrian, Cotchery, Wilford being notable going forward).
2003: 5 of the 5-star guys: AJ, Rogers
QBs:
2008: 3 5-stars (Matt Ryan, Flacco, Brohm) and 4 4-stars (Woodson, Hene, Brennan, Ainge).
2007: 2 5-stars - Russell and Quinn - but obviously jury is out on them. 4 4-stars which includes Trent Edwards, Kolb, Beck and Troy Smith where starters may emerge. Nothing else here.
2006: 1 5-star (Leinart) and 2 4-stars (VY and Cutler). Clemens and Croyle both had 3 stars, Tavaris at 2.
2005: No 5 star guys. Rodgers and Alex Smith at 4 stars, Campbell at 3 and Derek Anderson at 2. Most noteworthy otherwise was Joshua Cribbs who found a place as a return specialist.
2004: 3 5-star guys who are all viable starters (Rivers, Eli, Ben). Losman and Schaub as 4 and 3 stars respectively.
2003: 4 5-star guys: Palmer, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman. Romo was a 1 star guy, no one else remarkable below the 5 star guys (and even they were mixed).So 9 5-star QBs in the past 5 years, and then 3 this year.
In other words.... Over the past 5 years, there were 25 5-star prospects according to Scout.com, and this year there are 14 this year. And there are plenty of 3 and 4 star guys behind them.
Is this one of the most loaded drafts in a long time?
corpcow
Footballguy
Why? How can you say they are "clearly inflated" this year based on how many 5-star WRs there are?? Isn't the whole POINT of a rating system to de-emphasize the rating within a particular class and how they grade out irrespective of their peers, and rather how they grade out across the NFL prospects board??EBF said:
EBF
Footballguy
Come on man, can you honestly look at the star rankings from year to year and believe that the standards for their star rankings haven't fluctuated? 4 star RBs 2005-2006
DeAngelo Williams
Laurence Maroney
Joseph Addai
Brian Calhoun
Maurice Jones Drew
LenDale White
Ronnie Brown
Cedric Benson
Carnell Williams
4 star RBs in 2008
Steve Slaton
Chris Johnson
Kevin Smith
Ray Rice
Dantrell Savage
Mike Hart
Do you honestly not see a difference in talent level here?
If not, I have some wonderful swamp land in Florida that you might be interested in purchasing.
You're wasting your time comparing star ratings from year to year. They should only be used to compare players within a given class since the standards change from year to year.
I doubt he would've been a first rounder in many ff drafts but I thought this might interest some of youH.K. said:Clemson RB Davis changes mind, will return to school
Link
COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — Clemson's "Thunder" is back at Death Valley.
Tigers runner James Davis has returned to college more than a week after announcing his intentions to turn pro, and three days after the NFL's deadline to declare for the draft.
The school said Friday that Davis faxed letters to the NFL and Clemson University just hours before the deadline to reconsider. Davis is expected to return to class Tuesday.
Davis said he spoke with his mother well into the night Thursday about whether he'd made the right call for the NFL.
"I knew today was the final deadline," Davis said. "I woke up last night at 3 a.m. and just thought about everything and thought about my future. Coming back to Clemson is just the right thing to do."
Clemson coach Tommy Bowden said last week he thought Davis was better off with another year of college. He was glad Davis reached the same conclusion.
"I know it was a difficult decision for him and we continued to communicate. In the final analysis he realizes this is the best decision for him and his family," Bowden said.
Davis is the Clemson's first player to submit paperwork for the NFL draft and then decide to return, athletic spokesman Tim Bourret said Friday. He had announced he was leaving school on Jan. 9.
Davis struggled with his choice since Clemson's 23-20 overtime loss to Auburn at the Chick-fil-A Bowl on New Year's Eve. He met twice with his family and made a trip to Florida to clear his head.
Part of the reason to go pro was financial, said Davis, who has a 1-year-old daughter. A bigger reason was Davis' goal of playing in the NFL.
"It's my dream, man," he said then.
Davis was projected as a third-round selection. However, Bowden had asked Davis to call around to NFL general managers about his prospects. Apparently, Davis didn't like what he heard.
This year's draft has an impressive group of running backs, including Darren McFadden and Felix Jones from Arkansas as well as Central Florida's Kevin Smith, Michigan's Mike Hart, Rutgers' Ray Rice and West Virginia's Steve Slaton.
Davis' reversal brings Clemson's backfield duo of "Thunder and Lightning" back together. While the 5-foot-11, 210-pound Davis is the power partner, C.J. Spillers adds the speed and flash.
"I am thrilled. We will have one more year of 'Thunder and Lightning,"' Spiller said.
Spiller said he supported his friend's NFL decision, "but we continued to talk. I think he just missed Clemson."
Davis' return also means Clemson's offense will have nine of 11 players back who started the bowl game, including all its skill position players. Earlier this month, junior quarterback Cullen Harper and junior receiver Aaron Kelly both said they were coming back after exploring their NFL draft status.
Davis displayed more leadership qualities this season and Bowden thinks those will expand next fall. Plus, the coach says that Davis' draft position could rise after his senior year. "He should be one of the top running backs in the nation next year," Bowden said.
Davis has led Clemson in rushing the past three years, the first Tiger runner to accomplish that since Raymond Priester in 1995-97. Davis has been named to the all-Atlantic Coast Conference team the last two years, something that hadn't been done at Clemson since Terry Allen in 1987-88.
Davis has rushed for more than 1,000 yards each of the past two seasons. He stands second all-time in school history with 3,130 yards and needs 837 yards next year to surpass Priester's record of 3,966 yards.
Davis also stands second with 38 career touchdowns, 12 behind Travis Zachery's mark of 50.
Illegal Pants Downfield
Footballguy
I was reading elsewhere on a similar question - there's some speculation that these ratings will likely change (i.e. ratings will go down) as we go through pro-days & the combine and get nearer to the draft...Not sure if there's any legs to this theory...
Final pre-combine update with the final list of early-entry Juniors...
The lists are based upon the fantasy upside of these players in their best potential situation.
Overall Top 12
1. RB Darren McFadden
2. RB Rashard Mendenhall
3. RB Jonathan Stewart
4. RB Felix Jones
5. RB Ray Rice
6. WR Malcolm Kelly
7. QB Matt Ryan
8. WR Mario Manningham
9. RB Chris Johnson
10. RB Kevin Smith
11. RB Jamaal Charles
12. RB Steve Slaton
Bubble:
QB Brian Brohm
RB Matt Forte
RB Mike Hart
RB Tashard Choice
WR Limas Sweed
By Position
QBs
Potential Pro-Bowlers
Matt Ryan, Boston College
Brian Brohm, Louisville
Starter-Potential (better-fit as backups)
Chad Henne, Michigan
Joe Flacco, Delaware
Josh Johnson, San Diego
Andre Woodson, Kentucky
John David Booty, USC
Longshots
Dennis Dixon, Oregon
Colt Brennan, Hawaii
Eric Ainge, Tennessee
Kevin O'Connell, San Diego State
Matt Flynn, LSU
Sam Keller, Nebraska
Paul Smith, Tulsa
Bernard Morris, Marshall
Anthony Morelli, Penn State
T.C. Ostrander, Stanford
RBs
Potential Franchise Guys
Darren McFadden, Arkansas*
Jonathan Stewart, Oregon*
Rashard Mendenhall, Illinois*
Potential Pro-Bowlers
Felix Jones, Arkansas*
Ray Rice, Rutgers*
Starter Potential (better-fit for RBBC)
Chris Johnson, East Carolina
Kevin Smith, Central Florida*
Jamaal Charles, Texas*
Steve Slaton, West Virginia*
Matt Forte, Tulane
Mike Hart, Michigan
Tashard Choice, Georgia Tech
Sleeper/Change-Of-Pace
Justin Forsett, California
Allen Patrick, Oklahoma
BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Ole Miss
Thomas Brown, Georgia
Chauncey Washington, USC
Corey Boyd, South Carolina
Dantrell Savage, Oklahoma State
Rafael Little, Kentucky
Ryan Torain, Arizona
Kalvin McRae, Ohio
Yvenson Bernard, Oregon State
Jalen Parlmele, Toledo
Marcus Thomas, UTEP
Kregg Lumpkin, Georgia
Xavier Omon, NW Missouri State
Chad Simpson, Morgan State
Tim Hightower, Richmond
Lex Hilliard, Montana
Omar Cuff, Delaware
WRs
Potential Pro-Bowlers
Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma*
Mario Manningham, Michigan*
Limas Sweed, Texas
NFL No. 1 Potential (better-fit as No. 2 WRs)
James Hardy, Indiana*
Early Doucet, LSU
Devin Thomas, Michigan State*
DeSean Jackson, California*
Adarius Bowman, Oklahoma State
Lavelle Hawkins, California
Andre Caldwell, Florida
Earl Bennett, Vanderbilt*
Likely career-backups
Donnie Avery, Houston
Jordy Nelson, Kansas State
D.J. Hall, Alabama
Keenan Burton, Kentucky
Eddie Royal, Virginia Tech
Jerome Simpson, Coastal Carolina
Dorien Bryant, Purdue
Paul Hubbard, Wisconsin
Marcus Smith, New Mexico
Josh Morgan, Virginia Tech
Adrian Arrington, Michigan*
Harry Douglas, Louisville
William Franklin, Missouri
Davone Bess, Hawaii*
Dexter Jackson, Appalachian State
Longshots
Kevin Robinson, Utah State
Ryan Grice-Mullen, Hawaii*
Steve Johnson, Kentucky
Justin Harper, Virginia Tech
Mario Urrutia, Louisville*
Marcus Monk, Arkansas
Anthony Alridge, Houston
Mark Bradford, Stanford
Jason Rivers, Hawaii
Kenneth Moore, Wake Forest
Maurice Purify, Nebraska
De'Cody Fagg, FSU
Jaymar Johnson, Jackson State
Todd Blythe, Iowa State
Marcus Henry, Kansas
Travis Brown, New Mexico
Taj Smith, Syracuse*
Michael Henderson, Georgia
Darnell Jenkins, Miami (FL)
Danny Amendola, Texas Tech
Pierre Garcon, Mount Union
The lists are based upon the fantasy upside of these players in their best potential situation.
Overall Top 12
1. RB Darren McFadden
2. RB Rashard Mendenhall
3. RB Jonathan Stewart
4. RB Felix Jones
5. RB Ray Rice
6. WR Malcolm Kelly
7. QB Matt Ryan
8. WR Mario Manningham
9. RB Chris Johnson
10. RB Kevin Smith
11. RB Jamaal Charles
12. RB Steve Slaton
Bubble:
QB Brian Brohm
RB Matt Forte
RB Mike Hart
RB Tashard Choice
WR Limas Sweed
By Position
QBs
Potential Pro-Bowlers
Matt Ryan, Boston College
Brian Brohm, Louisville
Starter-Potential (better-fit as backups)
Chad Henne, Michigan
Joe Flacco, Delaware
Josh Johnson, San Diego
Andre Woodson, Kentucky
John David Booty, USC
Longshots
Dennis Dixon, Oregon
Colt Brennan, Hawaii
Eric Ainge, Tennessee
Kevin O'Connell, San Diego State
Matt Flynn, LSU
Sam Keller, Nebraska
Paul Smith, Tulsa
Bernard Morris, Marshall
Anthony Morelli, Penn State
T.C. Ostrander, Stanford
RBs
Potential Franchise Guys
Darren McFadden, Arkansas*
Jonathan Stewart, Oregon*
Rashard Mendenhall, Illinois*
Potential Pro-Bowlers
Felix Jones, Arkansas*
Ray Rice, Rutgers*
Starter Potential (better-fit for RBBC)
Chris Johnson, East Carolina
Kevin Smith, Central Florida*
Jamaal Charles, Texas*
Steve Slaton, West Virginia*
Matt Forte, Tulane
Mike Hart, Michigan
Tashard Choice, Georgia Tech
Sleeper/Change-Of-Pace
Justin Forsett, California
Allen Patrick, Oklahoma
BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Ole Miss
Thomas Brown, Georgia
Chauncey Washington, USC
Corey Boyd, South Carolina
Dantrell Savage, Oklahoma State
Rafael Little, Kentucky
Ryan Torain, Arizona
Kalvin McRae, Ohio
Yvenson Bernard, Oregon State
Jalen Parlmele, Toledo
Marcus Thomas, UTEP
Kregg Lumpkin, Georgia
Xavier Omon, NW Missouri State
Chad Simpson, Morgan State
Tim Hightower, Richmond
Lex Hilliard, Montana
Omar Cuff, Delaware
WRs
Potential Pro-Bowlers
Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma*
Mario Manningham, Michigan*
Limas Sweed, Texas
NFL No. 1 Potential (better-fit as No. 2 WRs)
James Hardy, Indiana*
Early Doucet, LSU
Devin Thomas, Michigan State*
DeSean Jackson, California*
Adarius Bowman, Oklahoma State
Lavelle Hawkins, California
Andre Caldwell, Florida
Earl Bennett, Vanderbilt*
Likely career-backups
Donnie Avery, Houston
Jordy Nelson, Kansas State
D.J. Hall, Alabama
Keenan Burton, Kentucky
Eddie Royal, Virginia Tech
Jerome Simpson, Coastal Carolina
Dorien Bryant, Purdue
Paul Hubbard, Wisconsin
Marcus Smith, New Mexico
Josh Morgan, Virginia Tech
Adrian Arrington, Michigan*
Harry Douglas, Louisville
William Franklin, Missouri
Davone Bess, Hawaii*
Dexter Jackson, Appalachian State
Longshots
Kevin Robinson, Utah State
Ryan Grice-Mullen, Hawaii*
Steve Johnson, Kentucky
Justin Harper, Virginia Tech
Mario Urrutia, Louisville*
Marcus Monk, Arkansas
Anthony Alridge, Houston
Mark Bradford, Stanford
Jason Rivers, Hawaii
Kenneth Moore, Wake Forest
Maurice Purify, Nebraska
De'Cody Fagg, FSU
Jaymar Johnson, Jackson State
Todd Blythe, Iowa State
Marcus Henry, Kansas
Travis Brown, New Mexico
Taj Smith, Syracuse*
Michael Henderson, Georgia
Darnell Jenkins, Miami (FL)
Danny Amendola, Texas Tech
Pierre Garcon, Mount Union
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EBF
Footballguy
Quick thoughts:
- Nelson, Arrington, Royal and Reynaud have first day draft potential. Davone Bess got a 2nd round grade from the advisory committee. I like all of these guys more than DJ Hall (scrub).
- I would hesistate to call any of the WRs in this class "special talents," much less seven of them. This is a thin group at the top. Kelly is my bet to be drafted first when it's all said and done. I see him going to Buffalo at 1.11.
- Bowman is apparently looking very bad at the Senior Bowl, but it's still early.
- Chris Johnson, though not necessarily a great prospect, will probably be an early pick. 2nd round is a strong possibility. There's a strong chance he gets picked before Rice, Smith, Slaton, and maybe even Charles.
- Nelson, Arrington, Royal and Reynaud have first day draft potential. Davone Bess got a 2nd round grade from the advisory committee. I like all of these guys more than DJ Hall (scrub).
- I would hesistate to call any of the WRs in this class "special talents," much less seven of them. This is a thin group at the top. Kelly is my bet to be drafted first when it's all said and done. I see him going to Buffalo at 1.11.
- Bowman is apparently looking very bad at the Senior Bowl, but it's still early.
- Chris Johnson, though not necessarily a great prospect, will probably be an early pick. 2nd round is a strong possibility. There's a strong chance he gets picked before Rice, Smith, Slaton, and maybe even Charles.
I may have to concede that Bowman isn't the top guy, but I love his potential. Seems like he's struggling with his hands, but he's been consistent through the past two seasons, so I think it's something he can fix. Ditto for Harry Douglas. I will say these WRs don't live up to the past few classes, but there is always plenty of potential with the projected 1st day guys.Reynaud and Royal are very similar players in my mind. Guys who can contribute very well in the return game, but won't be a go-to-guy on offense.
I don't doubt Nelson and Arrington as potential #2 WRs, but they are physically limited, so I wouldn't put them in the top tier of guys based on fantasy potential.
What don't you like about Hall? I must admit, there ain't much of a dropoff in my opinion between the WR tiers.
coolnerd
Footballguy
In terms of WR, I see this as very much like Santanio Holmes going very late in the 1st. Not a talent, that should be reached for in the top portion of the draft.
On RBs, today Rick Gosselin claimed that there could be as many as eight back taken in the first round. Not sure who Goose has been talking with, but remember he is not a "scout" and gets all of his info from NFL contacts.
On RBs, today Rick Gosselin claimed that there could be as many as eight back taken in the first round. Not sure who Goose has been talking with, but remember he is not a "scout" and gets all of his info from NFL contacts.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
This WR class is considered below average, but so was the '06 class, and that draft has pumped out a bunch of young FF studs so far. I am not predicting that again, but it wouldnt suprise me if the RB's dont end up as good as many think and the WR's end up better.
EBF
Footballguy
How are Nelson and Arrington "physically limited"? Their measurables won't be any worse than those of guys like Santonio Holmes, Darrell Jackson, Reggie Wayne, and Greg Jennings.Being a good NFL WR isn't about being 6'5" with 4.3 speed.
As for Hall, he just sucks. He's a 2nd day talent at best.
coolnerd
Footballguy
The best thing about this type of WR class from a FF stay point is that the risk reward is good. Still will need a good eye for talent and understanding proper situation though.
EBF
Footballguy
Here is Jordy toasting a first round CB prospect:
I don't mean to make a big fuss over this, but it's hard to call him physically limited when he has adequate size for the position and is clearly capable of burning a DB who has NFL speed.
ETA:
This isn't meant to be a ringing endorsement of Nelson. He's not one of "my guys" in this draft. But I don't see him as being any more physically limited than guys like Limas Sweed and DJ Hall.
I don't mean to make a big fuss over this, but it's hard to call him physically limited when he has adequate size for the position and is clearly capable of burning a DB who has NFL speed.
ETA:
This isn't meant to be a ringing endorsement of Nelson. He's not one of "my guys" in this draft. But I don't see him as being any more physically limited than guys like Limas Sweed and DJ Hall.
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Clearly we're both confused. I meant only that Nelson was physically limited (not very quick, and allegedly runs only a 4.65).(You also referred to Nelson in your last post when I think you meant Arrington)
Arrington clearly has the measurables... curiously he is listed at about the same as D.J. Hall- 6'2", 195-200 lbs.
Hall supposedly times about half a second faster in the 40.
Hall's only weakness in my opinion is his motivation and strength. Sure it's a concern, but all the WRs outside of the top guys I listed are flawed. Arrington also arguably has character concerns as he was unfortunately arrested for domestic assault last year.
Arrington was not nearly as productive with a much better offense around him. Sure Manningham was the go-to-guy and deep threat, but Arrington had very few big games in his career even with Manningham missing a handful of games.
Arrington had alot to gain in my opinion by staying in school for one more year.
EBF
Footballguy
I won't dispute that.Sometimes these things come down to a gut call. When I watch DJ Hall play, I don't see an NFL receiver.Arrington looks like a potential player to me. I'll be curious to see how times and how high he goes. But he looks the part.
EBF
Footballguy
Early Senior Bowl risers and fallers:
Rising
RB Chris Johnson - Small at 195 pounds, but has speed and is standing out. Likely 2nd round pick.
QB Joe Flacco - Has ideal size and is playing well. Could be a 1st round pick when it's all said and done.
RB Matt Forte - 220+ pounder out of Tulane looks like a solid bet for the 3rd-4th round.
WR Lavelle Hawkins - Overshadowed by DeSean Jackson in college, but has a little bit of Santonio Holmes/Greg Jennings in him and will likely be a 2nd-3rd round pick.
Falling
WR Limas Sweed - Sweed is the WR version of Leonard Pope. He's tall and coordinated with no mobility. That's the kiss of death at the NFL level for a position that requires explosive quickness in and out of breaks. Cross him off your boards.
WR Adarius Bowman - Improving, but not impressive. Not showing speed, quickness, or instincts.
QB Andre Woodson - Failing to distinguish himself from the rest of the pack.
Rising
RB Chris Johnson - Small at 195 pounds, but has speed and is standing out. Likely 2nd round pick.
QB Joe Flacco - Has ideal size and is playing well. Could be a 1st round pick when it's all said and done.
RB Matt Forte - 220+ pounder out of Tulane looks like a solid bet for the 3rd-4th round.
WR Lavelle Hawkins - Overshadowed by DeSean Jackson in college, but has a little bit of Santonio Holmes/Greg Jennings in him and will likely be a 2nd-3rd round pick.
Falling
WR Limas Sweed - Sweed is the WR version of Leonard Pope. He's tall and coordinated with no mobility. That's the kiss of death at the NFL level for a position that requires explosive quickness in and out of breaks. Cross him off your boards.
WR Adarius Bowman - Improving, but not impressive. Not showing speed, quickness, or instincts.
QB Andre Woodson - Failing to distinguish himself from the rest of the pack.
I've read the same about Bowman, Forte, Hawkins.I also read Flacco had problems on Day 1 but has improved.
I don't remember reading anything on Sweed or Woodson but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see them dissapoint.
EBF
Footballguy
My notes are based on reports I've been reading from a few different sources. I just looked over the FBG reports and they don't seem to disagree with my notes too much with the possible exception of Woodson.
coolnerd
Footballguy
this is probably a good week to look for places of disagreement. You can actually watch the practices(NFLN), along with seeing notes from 3 or 4 sources online. There are times, I read these and see the article showing a particualr bias. some like explosive players,, who can make plays that other can't while other favor the guys who are really consistent. No different than the real NFL. all 32 teams don't view a player the same way.
loose circuits
Footballguy
do you mean thedraftguys? It appears they were the only ones that liked Woodson
EBF
Footballguy
Yep. And you're right about Woodson. It sounds like Henne is the best QB in Mobile.
Warpig
Footballguy
As for the Jordy Nelson kid...they were interviewing him on the radio here in KC and he sounded like a pretty humble kid. They were talking about how good his routes are and his hands are reliable and he's been making the DB's look pretty silly. They also brought up the subject of his speed and he said that he wasn't playing at 100% last year because I guess he was still recovering from a leg injury of some sort (knee?) and he still had over 100 receptions and over 1000 yds at K-State last year. But he said he plans on running in the 4.4's at the combine. That is 1st day numbers.
And now on to Andre Woodson, every website (NFL Draft Watch, NFL Draft Countdown...etc) I've seen says Woodson certainly has NFL stuff. Strong, accurate arm. Able to drop balls into areas only his WR's can catch it. From what I've read the only knock on him is that he doesn't like to look for the dump off or the underneath stuff. He prefers to go long or for the big play. But hey...if the kid has the arm and the touch to put it where the deep WR needs it...go for it. They have also been hyping Henne and Flacco while pretty much bashing Brennan and Booty.
And now on to Andre Woodson, every website (NFL Draft Watch, NFL Draft Countdown...etc) I've seen says Woodson certainly has NFL stuff. Strong, accurate arm. Able to drop balls into areas only his WR's can catch it. From what I've read the only knock on him is that he doesn't like to look for the dump off or the underneath stuff. He prefers to go long or for the big play. But hey...if the kid has the arm and the touch to put it where the deep WR needs it...go for it. They have also been hyping Henne and Flacco while pretty much bashing Brennan and Booty.
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Beaumont
Footballguy
Jordy Nelson is going to be a damn good but not great receiver in the NFL. He will start somewhere at some time IMHO ...As for the Jordy Nelson kid...they were interviewing him on the radio here in KC and he sounded like a pretty humble kid. They were talking about how good his routes are and his hands are reliable and he's been making the DB's look pretty silly. They also brought up the subject of his speed and he said that he wasn't playing at 100% last year because I guess he was still recovering from a leg injury of some sort (knee?) and he still had over 100 receptions and over 1000 yds at K-State last year. But he said he plans on running in the 4.4's at the combine. That is 1st day numbers.And now on to Andre Woodson, every website (NFL Draft Watch, NFL Draft Countdown...etc) I've seen says Woodson certainly has NFL stuff. Strong, accurate arm. Able to drop balls into areas only his WR's can catch it. From what I've read the only knock on him is that he doesn't like to look for the dump off or the underneath stuff. He prefers to go long or for the big play. But hey...if the kid has the arm and the touch to put it where the deep WR needs it...go for it. They have also been hyping Henne and Flacco while pretty much bashing Brennan and Booty.
Also Woodson was also one of the most sacked QBs in the nation during his career. He wasn't under constant pressure either fi you watched any UK games. I sense a bit of David Carr-syndrome with this guy.As for the Jordy Nelson kid...they were interviewing him on the radio here in KC and he sounded like a pretty humble kid. They were talking about how good his routes are and his hands are reliable and he's been making the DB's look pretty silly. They also brought up the subject of his speed and he said that he wasn't playing at 100% last year because I guess he was still recovering from a leg injury of some sort (knee?) and he still had over 100 receptions and over 1000 yds at K-State last year. But he said he plans on running in the 4.4's at the combine. That is 1st day numbers.And now on to Andre Woodson, every website (NFL Draft Watch, NFL Draft Countdown...etc) I've seen says Woodson certainly has NFL stuff. Strong, accurate arm. Able to drop balls into areas only his WR's can catch it. From what I've read the only knock on him is that he doesn't like to look for the dump off or the underneath stuff. He prefers to go long or for the big play. But hey...if the kid has the arm and the touch to put it where the deep WR needs it...go for it. They have also been hyping Henne and Flacco while pretty much bashing Brennan and Booty.
Warpig
Footballguy
I was thinking a slightly more mobile Byron Leftwich.Also Woodson was also one of the most sacked QBs in the nation during his career. He wasn't under constant pressure either fi you watched any UK games. I sense a bit of David Carr-syndrome with this guy.As for the Jordy Nelson kid...they were interviewing him on the radio here in KC and he sounded like a pretty humble kid. They were talking about how good his routes are and his hands are reliable and he's been making the DB's look pretty silly. They also brought up the subject of his speed and he said that he wasn't playing at 100% last year because I guess he was still recovering from a leg injury of some sort (knee?) and he still had over 100 receptions and over 1000 yds at K-State last year. But he said he plans on running in the 4.4's at the combine. That is 1st day numbers.And now on to Andre Woodson, every website (NFL Draft Watch, NFL Draft Countdown...etc) I've seen says Woodson certainly has NFL stuff. Strong, accurate arm. Able to drop balls into areas only his WR's can catch it. From what I've read the only knock on him is that he doesn't like to look for the dump off or the underneath stuff. He prefers to go long or for the big play. But hey...if the kid has the arm and the touch to put it where the deep WR needs it...go for it. They have also been hyping Henne and Flacco while pretty much bashing Brennan and Booty.
Scouts think Woodson may need to polish his mechanics, something Leftwich never truly did. Carr has also been stubborn in letting go of his side-armish release. It's definitely an underrated issue. I would also put Woodson's mobilty and athletisism in Carr's class. (good)I was thinking a slightly more mobile Byron Leftwich.Also Woodson was also one of the most sacked QBs in the nation during his career. He wasn't under constant pressure either fi you watched any UK games. I sense a bit of David Carr-syndrome with this guy.As for the Jordy Nelson kid...they were interviewing him on the radio here in KC and he sounded like a pretty humble kid. They were talking about how good his routes are and his hands are reliable and he's been making the DB's look pretty silly. They also brought up the subject of his speed and he said that he wasn't playing at 100% last year because I guess he was still recovering from a leg injury of some sort (knee?) and he still had over 100 receptions and over 1000 yds at K-State last year. But he said he plans on running in the 4.4's at the combine. That is 1st day numbers.And now on to Andre Woodson, every website (NFL Draft Watch, NFL Draft Countdown...etc) I've seen says Woodson certainly has NFL stuff. Strong, accurate arm. Able to drop balls into areas only his WR's can catch it. From what I've read the only knock on him is that he doesn't like to look for the dump off or the underneath stuff. He prefers to go long or for the big play. But hey...if the kid has the arm and the touch to put it where the deep WR needs it...go for it. They have also been hyping Henne and Flacco while pretty much bashing Brennan and Booty.
coolnerd
Footballguy
That's probably fair, but I think his delivery issue is not that cartoonish elongated motion that Leftwich has versus some sort of hitch that Woodson falls into.I was thinking a slightly more mobile Byron Leftwich.Also Woodson was also one of the most sacked QBs in the nation during his career. He wasn't under constant pressure either fi you watched any UK games. I sense a bit of David Carr-syndrome with this guy.As for the Jordy Nelson kid...they were interviewing him on the radio here in KC and he sounded like a pretty humble kid. They were talking about how good his routes are and his hands are reliable and he's been making the DB's look pretty silly. They also brought up the subject of his speed and he said that he wasn't playing at 100% last year because I guess he was still recovering from a leg injury of some sort (knee?) and he still had over 100 receptions and over 1000 yds at K-State last year. But he said he plans on running in the 4.4's at the combine. That is 1st day numbers.And now on to Andre Woodson, every website (NFL Draft Watch, NFL Draft Countdown...etc) I've seen says Woodson certainly has NFL stuff. Strong, accurate arm. Able to drop balls into areas only his WR's can catch it. From what I've read the only knock on him is that he doesn't like to look for the dump off or the underneath stuff. He prefers to go long or for the big play. But hey...if the kid has the arm and the touch to put it where the deep WR needs it...go for it. They have also been hyping Henne and Flacco while pretty much bashing Brennan and Booty.
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