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Curious if we could get some updated lists....other than Blooms
I was working on mine just yesterday.Not too much movement among the QBs. Jonathan Stewart drops a bit, but still nowhere near RB4. I've adjusted the value of all the RBs after the big 3 because I thought they were a bit high. The order remains mostly the same with slight changes among 5-8. The WRs values have been adjusted, and some guys have been moved up or down as I've done more research. I had unfairly dropped Bowman in my rankings to the point where his potential far exceeded that of the guys he was ranked around.The tiers I had are definitely not as black and white now, but the arbitrary 1-100 scale will show where the value can be had.Curious if we could get some updated lists....other than Blooms
Can you post them? I respect your opinion.I was working on mine just yesterday.Not too much movement among the QBs. Jonathan Stewart drops a bit, but still nowhere near RB4. I've adjusted the value of all the RBs after the big 3 because I thought they were a bit high. The order remains mostly the same with slight changes among 5-8. The WRs values have been adjusted, and some guys have been moved up or down as I've done more research. I had unfairly dropped Bowman in my rankings to the point where his potential far exceeded that of the guys he was ranked around.The tiers I had are definitely not as black and white now, but the arbitrary 1-100 scale will show where the value can be had.Curious if we could get some updated lists....other than Blooms
Well, as long as it doesn't get personal, I think it's a good discussion to have. Like I said, there are no bulletproof candidates, and if we can do a good job of discussing their flaws, it will help all of us try to get a better handle on what the flaws actually are and how much it should impact our view on him, etc.I don't think there's anything wrong with asking someone to defend their position.Your last 10 or so posts in this thread seem to be questioning someone else and making them defend their position.Every comment seems like it's from a courtroom trying to get the defendant to say something incriminating.Can't you guys just agree to disagree about McFadden?Let's move on.:my 2 cents:So because EBF is a good poster, i shouldnt question anything he says? I remember him saying similar things about AD last year as he is about Mcfadden this year(body type, that he might not be the best RB in the class). Yet he is here claiming that AD was one of the few RB's he ever saw as "bulletproof".People really split hairs here...EBF and aposulli's opinions are not difficult to grasp. I think they are two of the better poster's in the the SP and a crime they are not compensated for their work.Much love for EBF and apoluslli...agree or disagree with their opinion.
i am bumping this thread. i am now waiting on an updated listFinal pre-combine update with the final list of early-entry Juniors...
The lists are based upon the fantasy upside of these players in their best potential situation.
Overall Top 12
1. RB Darren McFadden
2. RB Rashard Mendenhall
3. RB Jonathan Stewart
4. RB Felix Jones
5. RB Ray Rice
6. WR Malcolm Kelly
7. QB Matt Ryan
8. WR Mario Manningham
9. RB Chris Johnson
10. RB Kevin Smith
11. RB Jamaal Charles
12. RB Steve Slaton
Bubble:
QB Brian Brohm
RB Matt Forte
RB Mike Hart
RB Tashard Choice
WR Limas Sweed
By Position
QBs
Potential Pro-Bowlers
Matt Ryan, Boston College
Brian Brohm, Louisville
Starter-Potential (better-fit as backups)
Chad Henne, Michigan
Joe Flacco, Delaware
Josh Johnson, San Diego
Andre Woodson, Kentucky
John David Booty, USC
Longshots
Dennis Dixon, Oregon
Colt Brennan, Hawaii
Eric Ainge, Tennessee
Kevin O'Connell, San Diego State
Matt Flynn, LSU
Sam Keller, Nebraska
Paul Smith, Tulsa
Bernard Morris, Marshall
Anthony Morelli, Penn State
T.C. Ostrander, Stanford
RBs
Potential Franchise Guys
Darren McFadden, Arkansas*
Jonathan Stewart, Oregon*
Rashard Mendenhall, Illinois*
Potential Pro-Bowlers
Felix Jones, Arkansas*
Ray Rice, Rutgers*
Starter Potential (better-fit for RBBC)
Chris Johnson, East Carolina
Kevin Smith, Central Florida*
Jamaal Charles, Texas*
Steve Slaton, West Virginia*
Matt Forte, Tulane
Mike Hart, Michigan
Tashard Choice, Georgia Tech
Sleeper/Change-Of-Pace
Justin Forsett, California
Allen Patrick, Oklahoma
BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Ole Miss
Thomas Brown, Georgia
Chauncey Washington, USC
Corey Boyd, South Carolina
Dantrell Savage, Oklahoma State
Rafael Little, Kentucky
Ryan Torain, Arizona
Kalvin McRae, Ohio
Yvenson Bernard, Oregon State
Jalen Parlmele, Toledo
Marcus Thomas, UTEP
Kregg Lumpkin, Georgia
Xavier Omon, NW Missouri State
Chad Simpson, Morgan State
Tim Hightower, Richmond
Lex Hilliard, Montana
Omar Cuff, Delaware
WRs
Potential Pro-Bowlers
Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma*
Mario Manningham, Michigan*
Limas Sweed, Texas
NFL No. 1 Potential (better-fit as No. 2 WRs)
James Hardy, Indiana*
Early Doucet, LSU
Devin Thomas, Michigan State*
DeSean Jackson, California*
Adarius Bowman, Oklahoma State
Lavelle Hawkins, California
Andre Caldwell, Florida
Earl Bennett, Vanderbilt*
Likely career-backups
Donnie Avery, Houston
Jordy Nelson, Kansas State
D.J. Hall, Alabama
Keenan Burton, Kentucky
Eddie Royal, Virginia Tech
Jerome Simpson, Coastal Carolina
Dorien Bryant, Purdue
Paul Hubbard, Wisconsin
Marcus Smith, New Mexico
Josh Morgan, Virginia Tech
Adrian Arrington, Michigan*
Harry Douglas, Louisville
William Franklin, Missouri
Davone Bess, Hawaii*
Dexter Jackson, Appalachian State
Longshots
Kevin Robinson, Utah State
Ryan Grice-Mullen, Hawaii*
Steve Johnson, Kentucky
Justin Harper, Virginia Tech
Mario Urrutia, Louisville*
Marcus Monk, Arkansas
Anthony Alridge, Houston
Mark Bradford, Stanford
Jason Rivers, Hawaii
Kenneth Moore, Wake Forest
Maurice Purify, Nebraska
De'Cody Fagg, FSU
Jaymar Johnson, Jackson State
Todd Blythe, Iowa State
Marcus Henry, Kansas
Travis Brown, New Mexico
Taj Smith, Syracuse*
Michael Henderson, Georgia
Darnell Jenkins, Miami (FL)
Danny Amendola, Texas Tech
Pierre Garcon, Mount Union
The Associated Press reports Oklahoma State WR Adarius Bowman was arrested and charged with simple possession of marijuana. McMinn County Jail officer Cody Price said Bowman was arrested Tuesday, April 1, and was released after posting $500 bond. Bowman declined to comment and his agent, Brian Overstreet, did not immediately return a message. Bowman transferred from North Carolina after being dismissed following a citation for possession of marijuana.
Brilliant!!!Think this belongs in this thread as this guy probably has just finished maybe worst off-season of any 2008 draft prospect
The Associated Press reports Oklahoma State WR Adarius Bowman was arrested and charged with simple possession of marijuana. McMinn County Jail officer Cody Price said Bowman was arrested Tuesday, April 1, and was released after posting $500 bond. Bowman declined to comment and his agent, Brian Overstreet, did not immediately return a message. Bowman transferred from North Carolina after being dismissed following a citation for possession of marijuana.
I can see the Bengals moving him up their draft board now. Their kind of guy.Think this belongs in this thread as this guy probably has just finished maybe worst off-season of any 2008 draft prospect
The Associated Press reports Oklahoma State WR Adarius Bowman was arrested and charged with simple possession of marijuana. McMinn County Jail officer Cody Price said Bowman was arrested Tuesday, April 1, and was released after posting $500 bond. Bowman declined to comment and his agent, Brian Overstreet, did not immediately return a message. Bowman transferred from North Carolina after being dismissed following a citation for possession of marijuana.
Final? Yeah, right.Final pre-draft Rankings!
Heh. ...yeah I may edit some of the numbers...Anyone care to sway me on any of the ranks? I'd be glad to discuss them as I haven't taken the time to full explain my rankings within my posts.Final? Yeah, right.Final pre-draft Rankings!
May as well use your rankings to own up to something I've been struggling with. I like Brohm as the QB to have the best career between these two. I think a combination of things culminated to make Ryan overrated and Brian underrated. Brohm is a pretty air tight prospect. Like everyone I expect Ryan to go first, but there's a little of the Cutler vs. Leinart debate involved here for me. I liked Cutler to have the better career even though I expected Leinart to go first. There's a few other parallels, too.QBs[65] QB Matt Ryan, Boston College [58] QB Brian Brohm, Louisville
Seems way too low to me. I know that tier of RBs is a pain, but why do you grade (in parens) Felix so much higher than Johnson? I could see the ranking if the grading, arbitrary or not, was much tighter. I expect Johnson to be drafted before Felix, probably RB4. From there I think he lives up to it.RBs....[67] RB Chris Johnson, East Carolina
He's a good reason you may need to redo these again. A week from today he tries to put the rumors to rest.WRs[77] WR Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma*
He is solidly built, that's for sure. He doesn't have blazing speed, but he is solid all around the board proving he will be a versatile back who may stick around as an NFL backup at worst. I have seen him ranked much lower and suppose it's because of his overall size. Durability is also a question as he's torn his ACL.Depending who drafts him, I really think Thomas Brown could surprise. He has all of the tools to be successful. If not for being injured and having to share time, I think we'd be talking about him in the top 5 RBs. I think I heard that he was the strongest player, pound for pound, at Georgia.
Another guy I've been higher on than virtually everyone else.Also Ray Rice is another one that had an eye-popping pro-day as he improved his Vert by 8 inches I believe.Kevin Smith Pro Day Video
Kevin Smith looked very good at his pro-day....i think he can be a great pick in fantasy drafts, especially since he's going around 1.8 (estimate).
I actually don't see Felix Jones slipping past Dallas in the 1st Round.His abilities would lead most to believe that he has a huge upside, but he just doesn't have the build to be an everydown back IMO. That said, he can play like a Reggie Bush-type role when paired with a bigger back. Probably won't be targeted close to 100 times like Bush though. He is almost certainly a top 50 pick due to his potential on special teams.Seems way too low to me. I know that tier of RBs is a pain, but why do you grade (in parens) Felix so much higher than Johnson? I could see the ranking if the grading, arbitrary or not, was much tighter. I expect Johnson to be drafted before Felix, probably RB4. From there I think he lives up to it.RBs....[67] RB Chris Johnson, East Carolina
Another guy I've seen ranked lower than I have him. I loved Brohm in college and think he will be a future NFL starter. I predict Ryan will develop into a Roethlisberger-level talent (with slightly less athleticism) and Brohm into more of a Matt Schaub-level talent (with slightly more athleticism).Some people have Henne and Flacco ranked close and even ahead of Brohm in some cases and I just don't understand that.His biggest question I suppose is his arm strength or his ability to stand strong in the pocket, but neither is a red flag.Thanks again for organizing these guys.
May as well use your rankings to own up to something I've been struggling with. I like Brohm as the QB to have the best career between these two. I think a combination of things culminated to make Ryan overrated and Brian underrated. Brohm is a pretty air tight prospect. Like everyone I expect Ryan to go first, but there's a little of the Cutler vs. Leinart debate involved here for me. I liked Cutler to have the better career even though I expected Leinart to go first. There's a few other parallels, too.QBs[65] QB Matt Ryan, Boston College [58] QB Brian Brohm, Louisville
I'm not far behind you. I am shocked how little hype he is getting. Of course i dont mind, i would love to see him slip into the late first round of my rookie drafts.Another guy I've been higher on than virtually everyone else.Also Ray Rice is another one that had an eye-popping pro-day as he improved his Vert by 8 inches I believe.Kevin Smith Pro Day Video
Kevin Smith looked very good at his pro-day....i think he can be a great pick in fantasy drafts, especially since he's going around 1.8 (estimate).
Look for them to get drafted in the 2nd Round, possibly by a team in need of a starter in the near future.
Anyone that thinks high of this guy, better think again.Burning Sensation said:I'm not far behind you. I am shocked how little hype he is getting. Of course i dont mind, i would love to see him slip into the late first round of my rookie drafts.aposulli said:Another guy I've been higher on than virtually everyone else.Also Ray Rice is another one that had an eye-popping pro-day as he improved his Vert by 8 inches I believe.broncofan13000 said:Kevin Smith Pro Day Video
Kevin Smith looked very good at his pro-day....i think he can be a great pick in fantasy drafts, especially since he's going around 1.8 (estimate).
Look for them to get drafted in the 2nd Round, possibly by a team in need of a starter in the near future.
But you have him ahead of Stewart and Charles? Is it that preposterous for someone to have him ranked in their top 5 RBs?ETA: I see now that you may have misunderstood what I was saying.Anyone that thinks high of this guy, better think again.Burning Sensation said:I'm not far behind you. I am shocked how little hype he is getting. Of course i dont mind, i would love to see him slip into the late first round of my rookie drafts.aposulli said:Another guy I've been higher on than virtually everyone else.Also Ray Rice is another one that had an eye-popping pro-day as he improved his Vert by 8 inches I believe.broncofan13000 said:Kevin Smith Pro Day Video
Kevin Smith looked very good at his pro-day....i think he can be a great pick in fantasy drafts, especially since he's going around 1.8 (estimate).
Look for them to get drafted in the 2nd Round, possibly by a team in need of a starter in the near future.
I was being Look at my sig. So yep I agree with you. Whats your top 6 look like? RB only?But you have him ahead of Stewart and Charles? Is it that preposterous for someone to have him ranked in their top 5 RBs?ETA: I see now that you may have misunderstood what I was saying.Anyone that thinks high of this guy, better think again.Burning Sensation said:I'm not far behind you. I am shocked how little hype he is getting. Of course i dont mind, i would love to see him slip into the late first round of my rookie drafts.aposulli said:Another guy I've been higher on than virtually everyone else.Also Ray Rice is another one that had an eye-popping pro-day as he improved his Vert by 8 inches I believe.broncofan13000 said:Kevin Smith Pro Day Video
Kevin Smith looked very good at his pro-day....i think he can be a great pick in fantasy drafts, especially since he's going around 1.8 (estimate).
Look for them to get drafted in the 2nd Round, possibly by a team in need of a starter in the near future.
I meant that I have been higher on Smith than most other people who ranked the rookies. He is RB6 on my list (see above)
(see just a few posts up for full rankings)[94] RB Rashard Mendenhall, Illinois* [94] RB Darren McFadden, Arkansas* [89] RB Jonathan Stewart, Oregon* [79] RB Ray Rice, Rutgers* [77] WR Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma* [75] RB Felix Jones, Arkansas*
Best RB class ever, IMO.Running back class super strong.