Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Damn newspapers. 
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Joe Torre to be fired -- Source: N.Y. Daily News (1 Viewer)
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Negative.The players have been coddled too much by Mr. Nice Guy. Sweet Lou won't hear of that garbage. And maybe he's just the guy to get A-Rod going, just like when they paired up in Seattle.
TLEF316
Footballguy
its not joes fault. Its impossible to manage if your all star lineup doesnt get anyone on base.
The yanks put a 200 million dollar team on the field and had 3 bad days. Nothing torre could do about it. Just played the tigers at the wrong time and got bum-rushed by 2 out of this world pitching performances.
The yanks put a 200 million dollar team on the field and had 3 bad days. Nothing torre could do about it. Just played the tigers at the wrong time and got bum-rushed by 2 out of this world pitching performances.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Yep. Put on ESPN. It's all they are talking about now.seriously?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
This had very little to do with this series, IMO. It was simply the final straw.
PatsFanCT
Footballguy
If it's not Joe's fault, then why even have a coach of an all star team?
TLEF316
Footballguy
at this point how the heck do they fix this team? Something has to change, but what? They have an all star at every position. Other than A-rod's softness, what is the problem? The only thing i can see happening is letting shef walk and giving melky left field full time (matsui DH)
They obviously need a young power arm at the top of the rotation. At this point, i dont see any way they dont make a massive offer to the Seibu lions for Daisuke Matsuzaka. They arent gonna find a big power arm anywhere else unless they want to dangle cano out there in a trade (not gonna happen)
The bullpen has some nice pieces, but it isnt dominant. They dont have a huge power arm like the tigers do, but again, the pen wasnt the problem.
At this point, they just need to go all out to find some young horses for the rotation and pray that the big guns (A-rod) hit one of these octobers.
They obviously need a young power arm at the top of the rotation. At this point, i dont see any way they dont make a massive offer to the Seibu lions for Daisuke Matsuzaka. They arent gonna find a big power arm anywhere else unless they want to dangle cano out there in a trade (not gonna happen)
The bullpen has some nice pieces, but it isnt dominant. They dont have a huge power arm like the tigers do, but again, the pen wasnt the problem.
At this point, they just need to go all out to find some young horses for the rotation and pray that the big guns (A-rod) hit one of these octobers.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
TLEF316
Footballguy
everyone knows that joe's main value is his ability to manage all the egos. He's never been known as a big time in-game guy. However, no manager could have won with the way the yanks played this weekend. You cant make managerial calls (good or bad) if your team is getting blown out of the batters box by kenny freaking rogers.
Capella
Footballguy
I don't think Cano would bring back a young, big, power arm.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
It seems that George hasn't noticed that pitching wins titles. His two big acquisitions were 97 year-old Randy Johnson, and a guy who hadn't proven a damn thing long-term in Pavano. If he wants to throw money at players, it has to be fairly YOUNG, proven pitchers. Look for Barry Zito to be fitted for pinstripes about twelve seconds after the A's are eliminated.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
That's about the size of it.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
It's on the front page of Sunday's N.Y. Daily News... Torre Fired -- To Be Replaced By Piniella.They just showed the cover on ESPN. I'd say that's more than a rumor.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Yankees under Torre
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Year Hitting Rank Pitching Rank Result1996 9th 5th Won World Series1997 2nd 1st Lost ALDS to Cleveland (3rd hitting, 9th pitching)1998 1st 1st Won World Series1999 3rd 2nd Won World Series2000 6th 6th Won World Series2001 5th 3rd Lost World Series to Arizona (3rd hitting, 2nd pitching)2002 1st 4th Lost ALDS To Anaheim (4th hitting, 2nd pitching)2003 3rd 3rd Lost World Series to Florida (8th hitting, 7th pitching)2004 2nd 6th Lost ALCS to Boston (1st hitting, 3rd pitching)2005 2nd 9th Lost ALCS to Los Angeles (7th hitting, 3rd pitching)2006 1st 7th Lost ALDS to Detroit (5th hitting, 1st pitching)
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Love to see the Padres send Scott Linebrink and Ceasar Carrillo to the Yanks if they'll pick up $24M of the $67M Alex is owed over the next 4.
3B is the biggest hole in SD, and ARod will be pushing 600 HRs at the end of his deal. As much as I enjoy watching my boys, they're in dire need of a mega-star to draw crowds on Tuesdays in July. Right now, they don't have anyone that you absolutely positively have to watch every at bat.
Bring ARod west Kevin Towers.
3B is the biggest hole in SD, and ARod will be pushing 600 HRs at the end of his deal. As much as I enjoy watching my boys, they're in dire need of a mega-star to draw crowds on Tuesdays in July. Right now, they don't have anyone that you absolutely positively have to watch every at bat.
Bring ARod west Kevin Towers.
Borat
Footballguy
What is the relevance of this information you've posted?
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I'm probably in the minority among Yankees fans, but I hope they don't blow the team up. It's a very good team, and in general good teams don't need many changes. I'd be excited to go after Zito, and wouldn't be against trading Cano for a SP (although I don't think we could get a stud for him), but I wouldn't touch the offense much. Sheffield will probably be gone, but Cabrera can slide in there pretty nicely. Posada, Giambi, Jeter, Cano, Rodriguez, Matsui, Damon and Cabrera should be the starting 8, although I wouldn't mind a different 1B and batting Giambi at DH.
Yankees could really use another bullpen arm -- preferably a good one this time. And someone to groom for when Rivera's gone.
Yankees could really use another bullpen arm -- preferably a good one this time. And someone to groom for when Rivera's gone.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
That's why I suggested Linebrink and the Pads best minor league arm. If ARod's available (and I think he will be), the Padres have $25M to spend and a glaring hole at 3B and in the superstar department. Match made in heaven.Please don't reply to this post - let me dream about this scenerio for a few hours.
Capella
Footballguy
So you want the Yanks to send one of the best players in the game to the Pads for a 30-year-old MR, an average prospect with elbow and forearm problems who has never pitched above AA, and also pick up a third of the salary?Get real dude. ARod would cost you guys a hellllll of a lot more than that.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
A look at the Yankees offense and pitching in the Torre era. I was curious, so I looked up the numbers, and posted them.Of the seven non-WS teams, the Yankees twice lost to a bad pitching team (Marlins, Indians), once lost to a monster hitting team (Red Sox), twice lost to a very good hitting/pitching team (Angels, DBacks), and twice lost to a pitching heavy team (Angels, Tigers).
Three times the Yankees had mediocre pitching (2004-2006), once they had excellent pitching (1997), and three times they had very good pitching (2001-2003).
Jules Winnfield
Footballguy
Did I see this right tonight?
Since 2000 the Yankmees payroll has totaled 980 million?
I thought that I saw on ESPN that their new stadium is 1 billion and that the payroll since 2000 is 98% of the total of the new stadium
I really don't care if this team ever wins a World Series again. That is just sick $$$ on a payroll and nothing to show for it
Since 2000 the Yankmees payroll has totaled 980 million?
I thought that I saw on ESPN that their new stadium is 1 billion and that the payroll since 2000 is 98% of the total of the new stadium
I really don't care if this team ever wins a World Series again. That is just sick $$$ on a payroll and nothing to show for it
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Haven't you been saying how terrible A-Rod is lately? I'm surprised you feel he's worth much.
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
If it makes you feel better I am dreaming of a way to get Arod to the Crew.All it takes is half the salary paid for, a waive of the no trade claus, and one Bill Hall to make it done.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Don't listen to Bud Selig. Money doesn't buy you a championship in baseball. The competitive imbalance talk is total is BS.
Capella
Footballguy
Sorry.
Jules Winnfield
Footballguy
To the AngelsFiggins, Shields, and 2 top prospects
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
God I'd hate to have to explain this to you once again.
Capella
Footballguy
Angels would make a lot more sense, but I'm pretty sure Ervin Santana would have to be prominently involved.glllll
BoulderBob
Footballguy
IF the Padres want A-Rod, it's going to cost them Young, Peavy and or a stud prospect. He is still an uber-stud, regardless of what the media would lead you to believe. Bottom line, the Padres don't have the talent to get A-Rod. The White Sox,however, may have the goods to get a deal done.
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
there can be no clearer example than this series - incredible lineup (one of the best in the history of baseball) against the best pitching staff in the AL.Really? Money sure makes it a lot easier. Seeing as how 3 of the top 6 teams in terms of payroll made the postseason, yet none of the bottom 6 did. I always thought it was easier to get a championship if you made the playoffs. But then again, what do I know?
Borat
Footballguy
Really? Money sure makes it a lot easier. Seeing as how 3 of the top 6 teams in terms of payroll made the postseason, yet none of the bottom 6 did. I always thought it was easier to get a championship if you made the playoffs. But then again, what do I know?
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
Would the Cubbies flip Zambrano for him? I'd do that straight up and throw some cash their way.
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
Actually, I don't think its the worst thing in the world if Joe goes. The thing is missing and I don't know if sweet Lou is the answer, but in 1995 the Yanks had a great team and a great manager and rolled the dice trying to get better and Torre turned out alright for a long time. Might be time to roll again...
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Quick question- Torre gets the axe immediately, yet Cashman goes unscathed in all of this?
ThisGuy
Ignored by Nipsey
That's also got me
Torre has had a great run in NY, but George will see to it that something is changed and manager is a position he can control immediately.I wonder if Phil Hughes and Tyler Clippard get rushed now that it's apparent what this team lacks. Johnson and Mussina are signed through next season, leaving Wang as the only constant in the rotation.It's going to be one hell of an interesting off-season in the Bronx.
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
A-Rod will waive his no trade clause in a second for the right situation. You think he wants to go through this again? No way in hell. I know he's not coming out and saying that because he is trying to protect his image but when it comes down to it, the Yanks and Boras will find a way to make him look good and then he waives his no trade clause. Very simple.Chase Stuart said:
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Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
LOFL. The Yanks MIGHT be willing to pick up part of A-Rod's salary for the right trade but it sure as hell isn't going to be for Scott Linebrink and Caesar Carillo. My god you are delusional.tommyGunZ said:
St. Louis Bob
Footballguy
Too bad, Joe is a good man.
SillyWillyJimmy
Footballguy
Best news I've heard all day. This means the Cubs can't hire Sweet Lou.
Why would the Yankees do this?
Why would the Yankees do this?
Slinger
Footballguy
Excellent point. Torre is one of the only people in the Yankees organization that I admire. Okay, he's the only one. You give me a 500/million budget to play with and I would've put a better team out there than Cashman.
