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No not the goal line RB, more like the handcuff to Rice. If Rice was to go down I'm thinking Parmele would have the most value as a complete RB. It would be nice if one RB was to fill the McGahee role but it sounds like Parmele would not fill the goal line duties.
Also their situations couldn't be more different and really that's all that has held Evans back in my opinion.Philly could lose McNabb, Westbrook, Maclin and Celek today, and still have a better offense than anything Evans has had in Buffalo.
If you know what you're doing and have some luck you can get elite players after the top 6 picks. Just look at the top performers in any league and I doubt you'll find more than 2 or 3 top 10 players that were drafted top 6 in a rookie draft. Top 20 might have 6, top 30 probably 9. There's LOTS of good players available later, just prepare to have some duds.
My apologies, that was an obvious oversight. Corrected.Feel free to PM me next time if I err so poorly next time and I'll get it fixed.
In my mind, the only way Desean delivers on that "3 seasons of 700-800 yards" prediction is if he's forced to play 3 years with Trent Edwards, a la Evans. Evans would totally be a consistent 1000+ yard a year WR if he only played actual NFL football for an actual NFL football team with an actual NFL offense. Put him in Denver, or Seattle, or, yes, Philadelphia, and suddenly Evans would be producing Santonio Holmes-type numbers on a consistent basis. Same thing for Desean- unless Philly replaces McNabb with a total stiff, I think he's a relatively safe play on a year-to-year basis, albeit one who won't often hit the explosive upside that he demonstrated this season.
I think "top 6" is the wrong breakpoint. To me, the "money picks" are generally the top 3. Sometimes only the top 2. It depends a lot on the particular draft. For instance, in the Adrian Peterson draft, it was clear as day that Peterson, Calvin, and Lynch were a thousand lightyears better than everyone else, so the #3 pick should have been worth dramatically more than the #4 pick. On the other hand, this past season, there really wasn't any elite tier at all. I liked a bunch of guys, but there weren't many guys that I viewed as must-own, can't-miss prospects on par with Peterson, Calvin, Fitzgerald, or Stewart. Which means there were no "money picks", and anyone that's not a "money pick" is a "lottery pick".Anyway, the difference between the "money picks" and the "lottery picks" isn't necessarily one of upside (although money picks do have a much higher chance of returning a true uberstud of a Peterson or Calvin caliber), it's one of reliability. Money picks bust at a much, much lower rate than the lottery picks, and even if they do bust they generally have a window of fantasy value owing entirely to their workload and opportunity. Just look at some of recent "money picks" that haven't panned out- Mendenhall was thought to be a bust, but he's shown that it's far too early to write him off. Lynch already has a pair of top 15 seasons to his name. Stewart hasn't been a reliable fantasy starter yet, but he's flashed so much potential that it's obvious he will be. Reggie Bush has been a bust, but he's still at least given two RB2 seasons and two RB3 seasons (as well as a chance for any owners to recoup some value from him over the past 2 years, since his trade value was slow to fall). Roy Williams actually posted a top 10 season once... honest! Yes, there is the occasional Charles Rodgers or Laurence Maroney, but when you're talking about the real money picks, those are far more the exception than the rule.If you know what you're doing and have some luck you can get elite players after the top 6 picks. Just look at the top performers in any league and I doubt you'll find more than 2 or 3 top 10 players that were drafted top 6 in a rookie draft. Top 20 might have 6, top 30 probably 9. There's LOTS of good players available later, just prepare to have some duds.
Hey Pasquino, good to see you in the thread. You should drop by and chime in more often, I'm always interested in your perspective on dynasty.
Cut the good man some slack, here. The last month can be especially time consuming for the fantasy football writer masquerading as a family man simultaneously attempting to have a successful social life for a month. The occasional oversight should be expected. Lord knows I didn't get as much done fantasy football-wise as I would have hoped during the holiday season.Happy New Year,
I let out a holler in excitement when I visited the blog this morning. Thanks F/L!! I am hoping you guys can help me gauge the current dynasty value of next years rookie class in particular Ryan Mathews. I play in a dynasty league where we draft developmental players and last year I drafted Ryan Mathews in the fourth round. Now that Ryan Mathews is on everyone's radar, I have owners trying to acquire him for current NFL players. I have the Roddy White owner offering White in exchange for Mathews+ and there is where I am struggling. How much more should I be offering for a player who has yet to even run at the combine? What do you guys think?
Roddy White is a borderline top-5 / definite top-10 dynasty WR. I don't scout college players like EBF and co, but unless Ryan Matthews is a Larry Fitzgerald/Calvin Johnson/Charles Rodgers level prospect, his value shouldn't be anywhere NEAR White's. I'd give up two first rounders for Roddy White without blinking. Take what you want from that.
Seemed like an appropriate time to bump this quote.
Some good points, I'll agree. But something to consider is that it is hard to place value on a player's "heart and determination", their will to succeed, in other words. There is something a little different here in Jackson, I truly believe this kid is truly a beast, he just happens to come in a small pkg. I wouldn't think that his '09 numbers with regards to the long TDs is repeatable in their frequency, but I do believe that he will be as consistent of a big-play playmaker as there is in the league. In my 30+ years of watching football, DeSean is right there towards the very top in being the most electric/dynamic player I've ever seen with the football in his hands. To me, that means quite a bit as far as continual playmaking and thus his value is not diminished due to the common belief that this year in "non-repeatable"..... My pretty short quick list of most electric ever.....not necessarily in orderBarry SandersGale SayersBo JacksonChris JohnsonDeSean JacksonEric MetcalfThat is very
That was my point though. Even if he is top 3 in the league in "big plays" every year, the difference between that and and the number of big plays he had this year is still enough to kill his fantasy value unless he develops more consistent production outside of the big plays.It is not my intent to say this year was a fluke, he'll never make a big play again. The point is that even if he is still "great" in the big play category, the difference between "great" and "record breaking" probably knocks at least 200/4 off his numbers. Knocking 200/4 off of 1200/10 doesn't leave you with much.Some good points, I'll agree. But something to consider is that it is hard to place value on a player's "heart and determination", their will to succeed, in other words. There is something a little different here in Jackson, I truly believe this kid is truly a beast, he just happens to come in a small pkg. I wouldn't think that his '09 numbers with regards to the long TDs is repeatable in their frequency, but I do believe that he will be as consistent of a big-play playmaker as there is in the league. In my 30+ years of watching football, DeSean is right there towards the very top in being the most electric/dynamic player I've ever seen with the football in his hands. To me, that means quite a bit as far as continual playmaking and thus his value is not diminished due to the common belief that this year in "non-repeatable".....That is very
Is that the way it has to work? What if his big plays go down but his receptions and red-zone activity go up?That was my point though. Even if he is top 3 in the league in "big plays" every year, the difference between that and and the number of big plays he had this year is still enough to kill his fantasy value unless he develops more consistent production outside of the big plays.It is not my intent to say this year was a fluke, he'll never make a big play again. The point is that even if he is still "great" in the big play category, the difference between "great" and "record breaking" probably knocks at least 200/4 off his numbers. Knocking 200/4 off of 1200/10 doesn't leave you with much.Some good points, I'll agree. But something to consider is that it is hard to place value on a player's "heart and determination", their will to succeed, in other words. There is something a little different here in Jackson, I truly believe this kid is truly a beast, he just happens to come in a small pkg. I wouldn't think that his '09 numbers with regards to the long TDs is repeatable in their frequency, but I do believe that he will be as consistent of a big-play playmaker as there is in the league. In my 30+ years of watching football, DeSean is right there towards the very top in being the most electric/dynamic player I've ever seen with the football in his hands. To me, that means quite a bit as far as continual playmaking and thus his value is not diminished due to the common belief that this year in "non-repeatable".....That is very
I believe I mentioned that in the original post:"That's not to say that Jackson can't develop into more consistent type guy who doesn't rely on those big plays, but that's something he's going to have to do no different than dozens of other WRs that haven't had record breaking long TD years to supplement what they lack in that department."It is entirely possible that Jackson develops into a more consistent receiver that puts up good numbers even outside of the big plays, but there are plenty of other guys you could say the same thing about who can be had much cheaper because their perceived value hasn't been boosted to top 5 levels by an unrepeatable number of big plays.Is that the way it has to work? What if his big plays go down but his receptions and red-zone activity go up?That was my point though. Even if he is top 3 in the league in "big plays" every year, the difference between that and and the number of big plays he had this year is still enough to kill his fantasy value unless he develops more consistent production outside of the big plays.It is not my intent to say this year was a fluke, he'll never make a big play again. The point is that even if he is still "great" in the big play category, the difference between "great" and "record breaking" probably knocks at least 200/4 off his numbers. Knocking 200/4 off of 1200/10 doesn't leave you with much.Some good points, I'll agree. But something to consider is that it is hard to place value on a player's "heart and determination", their will to succeed, in other words. There is something a little different here in Jackson, I truly believe this kid is truly a beast, he just happens to come in a small pkg. I wouldn't think that his '09 numbers with regards to the long TDs is repeatable in their frequency, but I do believe that he will be as consistent of a big-play playmaker as there is in the league. In my 30+ years of watching football, DeSean is right there towards the very top in being the most electric/dynamic player I've ever seen with the football in his hands. To me, that means quite a bit as far as continual playmaking and thus his value is not diminished due to the common belief that this year in "non-repeatable".....That is very
I don't think you can simply knock 200/4 off of his numbers due to less big plays going forward. That would be assuming he doesn't increase his reception total nor rush yards nor intermediate TDs. DeSean going forward is as good of a bet for Top 10 status each year as Roddy, Jennings, Bowe, V-Jax, Calvin, Boldin, Moss.....basically everybody outside of Fitz, Wayne, and Andre1500. He's actually better than 85% of these guys, they just have size, he makes up for it in dynamic quicks, acceleration, and precision route-running....That was my point though. Even if he is top 3 in the league in "big plays" every year, the difference between that and and the number of big plays he had this year is still enough to kill his fantasy value unless he develops more consistent production outside of the big plays.It is not my intent to say this year was a fluke, he'll never make a big play again. The point is that even if he is still "great" in the big play category, the difference between "great" and "record breaking" probably knocks at least 200/4 off his numbers. Knocking 200/4 off of 1200/10 doesn't leave you with much.Some good points, I'll agree. But something to consider is that it is hard to place value on a player's "heart and determination", their will to succeed, in other words. There is something a little different here in Jackson, I truly believe this kid is truly a beast, he just happens to come in a small pkg. I wouldn't think that his '09 numbers with regards to the long TDs is repeatable in their frequency, but I do believe that he will be as consistent of a big-play playmaker as there is in the league. In my 30+ years of watching football, DeSean is right there towards the very top in being the most electric/dynamic player I've ever seen with the football in his hands. To me, that means quite a bit as far as continual playmaking and thus his value is not diminished due to the common belief that this year in "non-repeatable".....That is very
I guess I'd have to know who you think should be below him.I don't think he's a double-digit TD guy, so we don't see eye-to-eye there.
I have Eddie Royal on my roster, and I wanted to deal him before the season. No such luck. Right now I couldn't get a gatorade flavor to be named later for him. He's an albatross.I don't think Austin and Holmes are similar at all. Austin is the best after-the-catch receiver in the NFL right now and has potential to be a double-digit TD scorer for the next 6-7 seasons. Only Andre Johnson scored more points once Austin hit the starting lineup. He's a monster.Re: Moss, Wayne & S. Smith: You like roster building and playing for the future. I like winning now with a balanced nucleus. Steve Smith is still one of the most dominant receivers in the league, and he's a lot better than Santana Moss. The disappointment isn't "one reason or another." The only times he's not producing monster numbers is when he has one of the absolute worst QBs in the league throwing to him (Weinke for 3 games in '06, Testaverde, Carr & undrafted rookie Moore for 13 games in '07, and the shell of Jake Delhomme for most of '09). I'd much rather have his monster upside than Boldin or Ocho, so we're just into personal preference there.
Personally, I have a hard time distinguishing between Steve Smith and Ocho in terms of dynasty fantasy value. I like them both. I think EBF's sneaky great and freaky great distinction is a valid one in general. I guess one thing I wonder about with players like these two is their relative age, how different players are likely to age, and their contract/team status. I know both are not young and I think Ocho is lik 31 or 32 but I don't really know their ages. I also wonder does a big, strong WR like Ocho age better or worse than a smaller, quick WR like Smith? I don't know. All things being equal I like the consistency of Ocho who has had over a thousand yards every year except his first year and last year when he got hurt.
In a beyond (or behind) the ranking sorta way I see, and like, what you getting at with "freaky vs. sneaky" good.So if freaky good leaves a stronger impression on fans (and all of us fantasy football players are fans), all things being equal I would think the freaky good player that is projected similarly to a sneaky good player would have more dynasty value on my roster for that impression would likely increase his trade value.
I think Holmes is neck and neck with every player from 12-17Steve Smith (EBF already touched on the similar thoughts I have in regards to Smith)Sidney Rice (talent wise I see this, but production wise I would question it....see harvin...)Greg Jennings (I see him as the same player Holmes is. Probably wouldn't strait up deal Holmes for Jennings and I don't see Jennings a Tier above him)Percy Harvin ( again Harvin does have more upside, but how is he a double digit TD threat? ... of course the return TDs help, but can't be counted on. He has to be like option 4 in the redzone right now...)Michael Crabtree (really just a personal preferance at this time, I could see Crabtree being the better pro. Right now he just isn't though)To touch on Vikes again, Once Brett Favre does retire, I don't see them as a team with two WRs in the Top 20 to go along with a top 5 RB.
I agree completely here, especially with Boldin. He was #1 (PPG) last year. He was top 10 this year, other than weeks 6-10 when he played with his ankle sprain. He's 2 years younger than Smith. And, probably the biggest point, it doesn't matter who he has at QB. He still produces.In addition, it isn't like Smith's QB picture has gotten any better.
No Steve Slaton or Terrelle Pryor?
Steve Smith averaged 100 yards per game in 2005, his monster year. From 2006-2008, if you throw out the games where Carolina started Weinke, Carr, or Testaverde, Smiff averaged... 100 yards a game. Smiff has been producing at exactly the same rate for the past 4 years, he's just had Chris Weinke and David Carr throwing him the ball.
Anquan Boldin averaged 7.4/86.5/.9, which prorates to 118/1384/14Smith averaged 5.6/101.5/.4, which pro-rates to 90/1624/7Factor in the fact that Boldin was playing with Warner while Smiff was playing with Delhomme and I think Smiff's season was more impressive last year. Throw in Boldin's injury history and the fact that he's not long for Arizona and I'd prefer Smiff to Boldin by a comfortable margin.
I totally agree that Austin is a great talent, and as a Dallas locale guy, I cna say I stashed him in many a league 2 years ago for just this season. So I'm a huge backer of his.BUTFear & Loathing said:
There is just no way this is possible with an 11.1 yards/catch.
SSOG said:
Boldin when healthy is better after the catch.
Please don't attempt to disparage my posts with silliness. My list stands on its own, so stick to what was written. Whenever you start to believe that you can project better than I, then step up to any number of challenges that are available to you to show.......Or pretty much stick to what you are good at, crunching numbers of what already has transpired to come to your conclusions....let the forecasters, evaluators, and historical analyzers stick to what we do best.....SSOG said:
Half the routes McFail makes him run are less than five yards. You can't just look at YPC for this. You have to actually watch games. I totally agree that Marshall is the best WR after the catch at this time.
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that Brandon Marshall is "gone" if the Broncos are offered a first- and third-round pick for him this offseason.Schefter adds that "It's possible, even likely" that Marshall has played his last down in a Denver uniform. Marshall is headed for restricted free agency in the offseason, but will still be in search of a big-time contract extension no matter whose roster he's on. With the unrestricted free agent market slated to be poorer than ever, however, the trade market could blow up. Marshall, 25, is definitely going to draw interest.Fear & Loathing said:
While I won't comment on SSOG's ability to scout (since he himself has admitted several times its not his best strength or something he has any real desire to do), I will go ahead and suggest that it is a bit silly to include yourself in any list of successful "forecasters, evaluators, and historical analyzers." Your track record on this very board over the last few years is poor, to say the least. That doesn't mean you haven't gotten some right, but rather that your misses have been so bad and you have been so vocal that it makes you look very foolish. You may be a legend in your own mind, but after having several very outrageous and bold predictions (which you were very preachy about and argued about at some length, mind you), and then having those predictions more than blow up in your face and make you look ridiculous, I'm not sure anyone would consider you among the more reliable talent evaluators. If we are talking talent evaluators on this board, give me EBF and his sound analysis that generally doesn't involve outrageous statements and predictions simply to draw attention to himself every time.Anyway, I am pretty certain that SSOG's comment was simply a light hearted jab at 2 of your more outrageous and ridiculous statements that appear to be obvious and colossal misfires. There's no need to get upset and attempt to turn it into anything close to personal. If you were less overbearing, outlandish, and generally loud mouthed about most of your predictions, you wouldn't be so open to (and possibly deserving of?) such light hearted jabs.Please don't attempt to disparage my posts with silliness. My list stands on its own, so stick to what was written. Whenever you start to believe that you can project better than I, then step up to any number of challenges that are available to you to show.......Or pretty much stick to what you are good at, crunching numbers of what already has transpired to come to your conclusions....let the forecasters, evaluators, and historical analyzers stick to what we do best.....SSOG said:
This season Marshall averages 5.0 yards after the catch, which ranks 28th in the league. Here is the list of guys with better average YAC:
1 Hakeem Nicks 9.22 Sam Aiken 8.23 Santana Moss 7.34 Miles Austin 7.25 Greg Jennings 7.16 Patrick Crayton 6.67 Devin Thomas 6.58 Santonio Holmes 6.48 DeSean Jackson 6.48 Earl Bennett 6.48 James Jones 6.412 Julian Edelman 6.313 Pierre Garcon 6.214 Percy Harvin 615 Wes Welker 5.915 Devery Henderson 5.917 Legedu Naanee 5.817 Brian Hartline 5.819 Jerricho Cotchery 5.720 Andre Johnson 5.620 Roy E. Williams 5.622 Donald Driver 5.523 Calvin Johnson 5.424 Marques Colston 5.325 Malcolm Kelly 5.225 Donnie Avery 5.227 Jason Avant 5.1
Looks like YAC doesn't really tell you a whole lot, that list is filled with great WR's, and not so great ones. I think a WR's ability to create after catching a ball needs to be eyeballed and not a statistic.
Code:1 Hakeem Nicks 9.22 Sam Aiken 8.23 Santana Moss 7.34 Miles Austin 7.25 Greg Jennings 7.16 Patrick Crayton 6.67 Devin Thomas 6.58 Santonio Holmes 6.48 DeSean Jackson 6.48 Earl Bennett 6.48 James Jones 6.412 Julian Edelman 6.313 Pierre Garcon 6.214 Percy Harvin 615 Wes Welker 5.915 Devery Henderson 5.917 Legedu Naanee 5.817 Brian Hartline 5.819 Jerricho Cotchery 5.720 Andre Johnson 5.620 Roy E. Williams 5.622 Donald Driver 5.523 Calvin Johnson 5.424 Marques Colston 5.325 Malcolm Kelly 5.225 Donnie Avery 5.227 Jason Avant 5.1
Regardless, there are two claims quoted above that Marshall is the best after the catch, and IMO this pretty clearly shows that not to be the case. Yes, he is actually better than some of the guys above him on the list, but not all 27 of them.Looks like YAC doesn't really tell you a whole lot, that list is filled with great WR's, and not so great ones. I think a WR's ability to create after catching a ball needs to be eyeballed and not a statistic.
Code:1 Hakeem Nicks 9.22 Sam Aiken 8.23 Santana Moss 7.34 Miles Austin 7.25 Greg Jennings 7.16 Patrick Crayton 6.67 Devin Thomas 6.58 Santonio Holmes 6.48 DeSean Jackson 6.48 Earl Bennett 6.48 James Jones 6.412 Julian Edelman 6.313 Pierre Garcon 6.214 Percy Harvin 615 Wes Welker 5.915 Devery Henderson 5.917 Legedu Naanee 5.817 Brian Hartline 5.819 Jerricho Cotchery 5.720 Andre Johnson 5.620 Roy E. Williams 5.622 Donald Driver 5.523 Calvin Johnson 5.424 Marques Colston 5.325 Malcolm Kelly 5.225 Donnie Avery 5.227 Jason Avant 5.1
I was mostly just saying it's a bit silly to compile a list of "the most ___________ players ever" where 33% of the list are guys in their second season. Odds are any list with that kind of composition is wrong based solely on principle. Desean Jackson is one of the two most electric players in the league today, but is he really more electric than Deion Sanders? Than Dante Hall was? Than Devin Hester was when he was a full-time returner? More electric than Randy Moss? More electric than Terrell Owens in his prime? More electric than Michael Vick or Randall Cunningham? Than Jim Brown? Mercury Morris? Than Clinton Portis was as a sophomore? Than Napolean Kaufman? Than Bambi? More electric than Rick Upchurch? Than White Shoes? Than ALL of those guys? Or is it possible that this is just a giant glaring example of the recency bias in action?Please don't attempt to disparage my posts with silliness. My list stands on its own, so stick to what was written. Whenever you start to believe that you can project better than I, then step up to any number of challenges that are available to you to show.......Or pretty much stick to what you are good at, crunching numbers of what already has transpired to come to your conclusions....let the forecasters, evaluators, and historical analyzers stick to what we do best.....SSOG said:
I've been notoriously cool on Jennings for a while. I just don't think he's quite as talented as the guys ahead of him.A couple of questions for you. Of the 13 guys ahead of Jennings, who would you take Jennings over? Of those guys, how many do you think Jennings is more talented than, and how many would you prefer Jennings based on age or situation instead of talent?
I don't have time to add another detractor to my list to argue what my track record is (stellar!). What I do know is that I'm well ahead of the curve in evaluating (and acquiring) the premium talent in my fantasy endeavors. Before the masses, including many of you all who claim that you were there from the beginning, I've owned (drafted, waivers, and/or traded for) the likes of Aaron Rodgers, Jamaal Charles, Meachem, Sidney Rice, Welker, V-Jax, D-Jax, DeA, etc., etc. well before you even thought about 'em. I own Slaton in exactly 3 of 11 dynasty leagues, whooooopeeeee! And my boy Reggie Bush has helped me win quite a bit of $$$$ the past couple of seasons.....Like I stated to SSOG, I have a new league starting up for 2010, and I'm holding several spots open with an invite for any of you here in this thread who want to step up to the challenge. You'll probably want to be pretty well-versed in the current crop of college players as well as the incoming rooks, young talent already in the league, amidst all of the obvious guys that everyone knows about.Really, you're welcome to step in........the water's not too deep.....While I won't comment on SSOG's ability to scout (since he himself has admitted several times its not his best strength or something he has any real desire to do), I will go ahead and suggest that it is a bit silly to include yourself in any list of successful "forecasters, evaluators, and historical analyzers." Your track record on this very board over the last few years is poor, to say the least. That doesn't mean you haven't gotten some right, but rather that your misses have been so bad and you have been so vocal that it makes you look very foolish. You may be a legend in your own mind, but after having several very outrageous and bold predictions (which you were very preachy about and argued about at some length, mind you), and then having those predictions more than blow up in your face and make you look ridiculous, I'm not sure anyone would consider you among the more reliable talent evaluators. If we are talking talent evaluators on this board, give me EBF and his sound analysis that generally doesn't involve outrageous statements and predictions simply to draw attention to himself every time.Anyway, I am pretty certain that SSOG's comment was simply a light hearted jab at 2 of your more outrageous and ridiculous statements that appear to be obvious and colossal misfires. There's no need to get upset and attempt to turn it into anything close to personal. If you were less overbearing, outlandish, and generally loud mouthed about most of your predictions, you wouldn't be so open to (and possibly deserving of?) such light hearted jabs.Please don't attempt to disparage my posts with silliness. My list stands on its own, so stick to what was written. Whenever you start to believe that you can project better than I, then step up to any number of challenges that are available to you to show.......Or pretty much stick to what you are good at, crunching numbers of what already has transpired to come to your conclusions....let the forecasters, evaluators, and historical analyzers stick to what we do best.....SSOG said:
And FYI, we draft before the NFL draft..... 
Get upset over anything in here? That's downright funny. A light-hearted jab is nothing more than what I push back, just a little harder, maybe, but it's never personal on my end, either. I'm just pointing out what was stated by me in response to the subject. If you, SSOG, or whoever, wants to interject other unrelated commentary (by me) into another topic to try to dilute my comment, then that's when I"ll comment as I did. It's all pretty simple to me in how I do what I do, and I don't really care who you have a preference for or not, all I know is when my analysis is done, I'll be well ahead of the masses/consensus thought and positioned for success in my fantasy endeavors.While I won't comment on SSOG's ability to scout (since he himself has admitted several times its not his best strength or something he has any real desire to do), I will go ahead and suggest that it is a bit silly to include yourself in any list of successful "forecasters, evaluators, and historical analyzers." Your track record on this very board over the last few years is poor, to say the least. That doesn't mean you haven't gotten some right, but rather that your misses have been so bad and you have been so vocal that it makes you look very foolish. You may be a legend in your own mind, but after having several very outrageous and bold predictions (which you were very preachy about and argued about at some length, mind you), and then having those predictions more than blow up in your face and make you look ridiculous, I'm not sure anyone would consider you among the more reliable talent evaluators. If we are talking talent evaluators on this board, give me EBF and his sound analysis that generally doesn't involve outrageous statements and predictions simply to draw attention to himself every time.Anyway, I am pretty certain that SSOG's comment was simply a light hearted jab at 2 of your more outrageous and ridiculous statements that appear to be obvious and colossal misfires. There's no need to get upset and attempt to turn it into anything close to personal. If you were less overbearing, outlandish, and generally loud mouthed about most of your predictions, you wouldn't be so open to (and possibly deserving of?) such light hearted jabs.Please don't attempt to disparage my posts with silliness. My list stands on its own, so stick to what was written. Whenever you start to believe that you can project better than I, then step up to any number of challenges that are available to you to show.......Or pretty much stick to what you are good at, crunching numbers of what already has transpired to come to your conclusions....let the forecasters, evaluators, and historical analyzers stick to what we do best.....SSOG said:
