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Obviously a lot of unknowns, but how far does Finley fall?

I can't put a number on it, especially as I haven't had looked into an injury update in a while. That said, I think he's a solid buy, assuming he can come back and play next year. He seems to have taken steps, and kept his mouth shut. Hopefully that's enough for GB to bring him back. It doens't look like his replacement is on the roster, at least.

I wasn't very high on him going into the season. I was worried that Cobb would really eat into his numbers. With Jordy back, and Jones starting opposite him, they needed to adjust the game plan to get Cobb the targets he deserves. I thought one of Cobb/Finley would suffer. I was wrong. They ran more 3 WR sets, and got Finley on the outside more. I think both guys, as long as they are in this offense, are going to get plenty of high-end targets.

If he re-signed today, and was expected to be 100% next season, I'd likely take him in the TE 6-7 range. After Gronk, Graham, Reed, Thomas, and Cameron; next to Witten and Eifert; before Davis.

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Obviously a lot of unknowns, but how far does Finley fall?

He's pretty meh IMO. He's always been over-rated as a talent and has consistently disappointed (for the most part) despite a spectacular situation. Now add two major question marks with the injury and a potential massive situation downgrade. Plus he's a guy who still has a decently large group of believers that think he's some kind of beastly talent and are willing to pay way above what his actual production would dictate, so he's pretty unlikely to be a real buy low. No thanks.

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Obviously a lot of unknowns, but how far does Finley fall?

He's pretty meh IMO. He's always been over-rated as a talent and has consistently disappointed (for the most part) despite a spectacular situation. Now add two major question marks with the injury and a potential massive situation downgrade. Plus he's a guy who still has a decently large group of believers that think he's some kind of beastly talent and are willing to pay way above what his actual production would dictate, so he's pretty unlikely to be a real buy low. No thanks.
I kind of agree here. With the Packers love of taking skill players in the 2nd and developing them, I think there's a real chance they let Finley go and draft the best TE available there.

Either way, Finley is probably owned by someone who believes in him at this point. So like you said, it might not be buying low even if you wanted to.

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Yeah, trade value is highly dependent on the owner in your leagues obviously. In terms of rankings though, with all of the unknowns, does he still slot in the mid-teens? Higher/lower?

CC, I agree, if you could assume full health and back with GB, he'd still be top 10 (although I couldn't put him ahead of Davis). Those are massive assumptions right now though. Just curious how much those factor in for people.

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More value Benard or Ray Rice.

Hopkins or Torrey Smith

and by how much.

I see both are rated close in the 10/28 dynasty fbg rankings.

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More value Benard or Ray Rice.

and by how much.

I see both are rated close in the 10/28 dynasty fbg rankings.

I am not a subscriber, but are you saying that Bernard is ranked close to Rice in the Dynasty rankings?

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More value Benard or Ray Rice.

Hopkins or Torrey Smith

and by how much.

I see both are rated close in the 10/28 dynasty fbg rankings.

I'll take Bernard over Rice at this point. Seems to be a legit talent and he's quite a bit younger. Rice could have some peak years left, but he might be an "old" 27 with all of the carries he logged at Rutgers. The more pressing issue is that the Ravens OL is a mess and Pierce is locked in for a couple more years.

Not really a fan of Hopkins or Smith. I'd probably take Torrey though. He's having a great year and I think he has a little more upside. I don't hate Hopkins, but IMO he's going to be a little overrated this offseason on the perception that he has star potential. I see him as more of a career FF WR2-WR3 type.

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Forte is something of a poster child for people saying "he'll be replaced in a couple of years by a more talented back."

Why?

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More value Benard or Ray Rice.

Hopkins or Torrey Smith

and by how much.

I see both are rated close in the 10/28 dynasty fbg rankings.

I'll take Bernard over Rice at this point. Seems to be a legit talent and he's quite a bit younger. Rice could have some peak years left, but he might be an "old" 27 with all of the carries he logged at Rutgers. The more pressing issue is that the Ravens OL is a mess and Pierce is locked in for a couple more years.

Not really a fan of Hopkins or Smith. I'd probably take Torrey though. He's having a great year and I think he has a little more upside. I don't hate Hopkins, but IMO he's going to be a little overrated this offseason on the perception that he has star potential. I see him as more of a career FF WR2-WR3 type.

I have Rice slightly ahead of Benard.

I was surprised to see Torrey Smith is ranked 10/11 range of Dynasty WR's I wish a more updated list was available.

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Forte is something of a poster child for people saying "he'll be replaced in a couple of years by a more talented back."

Why?

It's what was said when he joined the league. Just an average talent that's replaceable. 6 years later no one says it. Joseph Addai was another one.

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More value Benard or Ray Rice.

Hopkins or Torrey Smith

and by how much.

I see both are rated close in the 10/28 dynasty fbg rankings.

I'll take Bernard over Rice at this point. Seems to be a legit talent and he's quite a bit younger. Rice could have some peak years left, but he might be an "old" 27 with all of the carries he logged at Rutgers. The more pressing issue is that the Ravens OL is a mess and Pierce is locked in for a couple more years.

Not really a fan of Hopkins or Smith. I'd probably take Torrey though. He's having a great year and I think he has a little more upside. I don't hate Hopkins, but IMO he's going to be a little overrated this offseason on the perception that he has star potential. I see him as more of a career FF WR2-WR3 type.

I have Rice slightly ahead of Benard.

I was surprised to see Torrey Smith is ranked 10/11 range of Dynasty WR's I wish a more updated list was available.

I have Bernard comfortably ahead of Rice. Bernard is FIVE years younger than Rice, which is huge in dynasty. He's also outproducing Rice right now. He's performing as a RB1 (PPR) right now on limited touches.

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More value Benard or Ray Rice.

Hopkins or Torrey Smith

and by how much.

I see both are rated close in the 10/28 dynasty fbg rankings.

I'll take Bernard over Rice at this point. Seems to be a legit talent and he's quite a bit younger. Rice could have some peak years left, but he might be an "old" 27 with all of the carries he logged at Rutgers. The more pressing issue is that the Ravens OL is a mess and Pierce is locked in for a couple more years.

Not really a fan of Hopkins or Smith. I'd probably take Torrey though. He's having a great year and I think he has a little more upside. I don't hate Hopkins, but IMO he's going to be a little overrated this offseason on the perception that he has star potential. I see him as more of a career FF WR2-WR3 type.

I have Rice slightly ahead of Benard.

I was surprised to see Torrey Smith is ranked 10/11 range of Dynasty WR's I wish a more updated list was available.

I couldn't even imagine finding room in my top 10, or even 15, for Torrey Smith.

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Been awhile since I have posted in this thread, but wanted to gauge the opinions on a few players that I haven't seen talk about recently (or if there was, I totally missed it and/or it hasn't been revisisted in the last few games which have brough siginificant new developments).

Zac Stacy

Andre Ellington

Lamar Miller

Each of these players poses a unique challenge in trying to assess where they belong in the running back pecking order. I usually have a pretty good grasp on running back talent and have generally done a good job in my leagues of identifying the real deals from the frauds and capatilizing on sell high/buy low situations because of it, but admit to being fairly clueless and not at all sure about any of these 3 players. Broken down individually, here are my current feelings;

Zac Stacy- One of the players with the biggest discrepency between my "eye test" and current on field production that I have come across in a long time. I own him in 2 different dynasty leagues, and thus have closely watched each game he has played, and have walked away from every game thinking that I have watched an incredibly ordinary running back that doesn't have the physical tools or ability to be anything more than average. The problem is he appears to be taking a chokehold of one of the very few 3 down + goal line running back roles left in the league. How long will that opportunity be there for him if he is average though? I would hate to trade away a player that is locked into one of the true workhorse roles that also gets goal line carries, but would also hate not to capitilze on his sudden surge in value considering my eyes tell me he is so very average. I can't help but instantly think of Anthony Thomas (A-Train) when I watch him play (great 2nd half of his rookie season that many assumed would continue into his 2nd year despite many red flags and warnings signs indicating a very average, replaceable talent).

Andre Ellington- Talent, talent, talent. That's the first thing that comes to mind when I watch Ellington touch the ball. Ellington has produced a "wow" moment in just about every game this season for me. There is an awful lot of hype regarding Gio Bernard right now (and rightfully so), but in my opinion, the "eye test' tells me Ellington isn't that far behind in terms of electric on field ability. The discrepency is that while the Bengals are already giving Bernard goal line looks and he seems a no brainer to assume a much larger role in the offense as soon as next season, Ellington has no such assurances and his coach seems to be terrified of giving him too many touches or any goal line work. Is Ellington's slight size (he is roughly 10 pounds lighter than Bernard despite being the same height) something that will hold him back and should he be sold before the reality of a contnued minimal offensive role in 2014 hits or is he in for a large uptick in usage as 2014 roles around?

Lamar Miller- After a somewhat dissapointing first 1/3 of the season, Miller seems to be gaining some traction as his usage increases and he appears to have finally achieved the "lead dog" status in Miami's backfield. The worry is that despite the fact that Daniel Thomas has proven himself to be thoroughly average and/or below average thus far in his NFL career, Miller is BARELY outpacing him in usage in their backfield split. With a few good games in a row and a rise in touches, Miller's value is back on the rise among the more volatile dynasty players (those that shift their opinions on a more game to game basis...every league generally has them). Is it time to start targeting those owners and trying to sell Miller or is he due to continue to take hold of the starting job and does 2014 provide greater promise?

What are people's thoughts on them and where would they slot them in their rankings and tiers?

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Forte is something of a poster child for people saying "he'll be replaced in a couple of years by a more talented back."

Why?

It's what was said when he joined the league. Just an average talent that's replaceable. 6 years later no one says it. Joseph Addai was another one.

Thanks, couldn't have answered it better myself. I was echoing EBF's sentiment that people underrated the talented backs that aren't flashy, or don't have the most amazing numbers in a vacuum. In particular, good vision and good hands can go a long way, especially in an offense that suits them or that doesn't rely on them being the focal point (such as Moreno).

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Forte is something of a poster child for people saying "he'll be replaced in a couple of years by a more talented back."

Why?

It's what was said when he joined the league. Just an average talent that's replaceable. 6 years later no one says it. Joseph Addai was another one.

Thanks, couldn't have answered it better myself. I was echoing EBF's sentiment that people underrated the talented backs that aren't flashy, or don't have the most amazing numbers in a vacuum. In particular, good vision and good hands can go a long way, especially in an offense that suits them or that doesn't rely on them being the focal point (such as Moreno).

:lmao:

EBF has led the charge against Forte.

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So I keep hearing. Most of my negative posts about Forte are about 3-4 years old now. Opinions and attitudes evolve over time.

I wouldn't say I'm Forte's biggest fan, but he's been more productive since 2009 and he's a testament to the value of players who can do more than just run the ball. Part of the value of guys like Lynch, Rice, and Forte is what they bring in the passing game. When you consider the difficulty in finding a player who can run the ball as well as them and then you add the difficulty of finding someone who can also catch and run in space like they can, you start to see why those guys have been able to keep a starting job for a really long time. If a one-dimensional back like Shonn Greene or BJGE is your starter, you might be tempted to acquire another player who can fill in the gaps in his skill set. It's probably not a coincidence that Green-Ellis has been paired with a good receiving back whereas Greene has also wound up in more of a committee situation. It's because those guys are decent runners, but that's really all they can do.

Martin is a complete back. He can run with power like Greene or BJGE, but he also has dynamic big play ability and he's a very good receiving back. Hence why I compare him to similar players like Lynch and Forte who can do everything at a pretty high level. You don't really need a receiving specialist or a "thunder" back if one of those guys is your starter because he's everything. He's your big play back, your power back, and your receiving back.

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Lynch has averaged 24 receptions a season in Seattle. Seems weird to list him with names like Forte and Rice who have averaged 53 and 62 receptions a season, respectively. Lynch may be a fine receiver, but he hasn't added near the fantasy value from the passing game that Forte and Rice have, not that that changes your argument at all.

One thing about Doug Martin, I think it may be premature to put him in the Forte/Rice category. I realize the 6 game start to this season isn't the biggest sample size (though arguably neither is his 16 game rookie season) but his numbers were pretty terrible this year, 3.6 yards per carry, 5.5 yards per catch, 50% catch rate, etc.

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One thing about Doug Martin, I think it may be premature to put him in the Forte/Rice category. I realize the 6 game start to this season isn't the biggest sample size (though arguably neither is his 16 game rookie season) but his numbers were pretty terrible this year, 3.6 yards per carry, 5.5 yards per catch, 50% catch rate, etc.

If you think he was a fluke that's certainly good ammo. I'm willing to chalk it up to small sample size, increased attention from defenses, and putrid quarterbacking. Freeman completed 45.7% of his passes at 6.07 yards per attempt as a Buc this year. Yikes. It's a miracle that VJax has somehow stayed useful on that team.

Lynch and Forte have both had multiple 3.X YPC seasons in their careers. Ray Rice is averaging 2.7 YPC this season. It's become clear to me recently that while YPC is an important stat, it's also very dependent on usage, scheme, and supporting cast. I think a good back is usually going to have a good YPC on the whole of his career, but that doesn't mean every year is going to be excellent. I have enough faith in Martin that it doesn't really faze me, but if you were never a believer it certainly gives you something tangible to latch onto.

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Curious to hear where the folks arguing the "anti" Martin side have him ranked. I'm personally not 100% convinced that he's a truly top-shelf talent, but when I try to come up with guys I'd rather have, the list is really, really short.

McCoy and Charles, sure. Spiller / Rice -- just as many red flags this year as Martin, plus older. Everyone else currently in the mix is either significantly older (Forte, Peterson, Lynch, etc) or basically not proven enough yet (Lacy, Gio).

Martin and Spiller are close to interchangeable for me at RB3 / RB4 -- I can see an argument for him being a little lower than that, but I don't see any way he's not in the top tier.

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RBs are hard to rank right now. Way too many under performers that should (rightfully so) lose value due to performance. But across the board, other than a handful of top end guys, it's pretty murky. Lots of mediocrity from previously good players being played equally well by waiver pick-ups. Young hopefuls are mostly just being young hopefuls.

I have a hard time thinking of a deal to acquire a guy like Rice or Trent. Waiver fodder has been just as good, but you have to play the pick-up/drop game. The only real value is in the name and that you don't have to play the waivers for your 50 yards. But that in itself isn't worth much in trade value. To buy mediocrity, adding a first round pick plus something is too much to give and sending a second round pick plus something is not enough.

Even the young hopefuls have it weird. Most people have Bernard rising into a higher tier. Bell has out performed him over their last 5 games since Bell returned, but remains a middling value. Yes, cherry-picking the last 5 weeks, deal with it - Gio = 214/145/3 ; Bell = 282/147/3.

Weird year for RBs and their value.

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Curious to hear where the folks arguing the "anti" Martin side have him ranked. I'm personally not 100% convinced that he's a truly top-shelf talent, but when I try to come up with guys I'd rather have, the list is really, really short.

McCoy and Charles, sure. Spiller / Rice -- just as many red flags this year as Martin, plus older. Everyone else currently in the mix is either significantly older (Forte, Peterson, Lynch, etc) or basically not proven enough yet (Lacy, Gio).

Martin and Spiller are close to interchangeable for me at RB3 / RB4 -- I can see an argument for him being a little lower than that, but I don't see any way he's not in the top tier.

Again, I want to be clear that I am not "anti"-Martin. My argument was that he's not the top back (McCoy), and that he's closer to guys in the 7-8 range than he is to McCoy.

As pointed out below, and by plenty others, including myself and SSOG, going on two years now: the RB crop is old. Because of that, Martin is going to check into the 2-6 range, and rightfully so. He's a talented NFL RB who can do everything, and handle a big workload in the process.

As for tier placement - he's tier 2 for me. Shady is the only guy steady in tier 1, with Charles close behind him, if I'm competing (I don't know why - likely not sound logic - but Shady seems safer to me, long-term) . I agree with you: after those two, there are a few guys you can reasonably rank at 3, including Martin. Again, I just feel that he's closer to Lacy and Gio than he is to McCoy. I'd gladly take McCoy+Gio (or Lacy), over two Doug Martin's.

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Even the young hopefuls have it weird. Most people have Bernard rising into a higher tier. Bell has out performed him over their last 5 games since Bell returned, but remains a middling value. Yes, cherry-picking the last 5 weeks, deal with it - Gio = 214/145/3 ; Bell = 282/147/3.

I personally have Gio head and shoulders ahead of Bell for a few reasons:

A.) Eyeball test isn't even close IMO. Gio is clearly a superior talent, IMO.

B.) Teams are going in opposite directions. Cinci has a great young offense that should be strong moving forward for the foreseeable future. The Steelers not so much.

C.) Gio's role could / should expand moving forward. While they're close ATM, they won't be if Gio starts getting more touches.

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Zac Stacy

Andre Ellington

Lamar Miller

I haven't seen much of Stacy, so I won't comment, except to say that his production has been surprising to me.

Ellington is a talent; I just worry about his ability to carry the load. He's old for a rookie, too, turning 25 in 3 months. The good news is that his role is increasing, so we'll find out soon.

Miller is a guy that I'm not a fan of. He's very quick, and very fast, so he will have big games, and plenty of highlight quality plays. But he doesn't move the pile, goes down on first contact far too often, and isn't particularly elusive. He could win the job again next year, but I expect better competition, and more up and down production, if he does. I sold a while ago, but would be looking to do so again if I owned him elsewhere.

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Mentioned this on Twitter a little bit, and it's been discussed here some, but this is such an odd year for RB value from a dynasty perspective. Looking at a comparison of August ADP to recent mid-season ADP, along with recent trades, it's safe to say the following have lost dynasty value (in some cases, a LOT of dynasty value):

Note- Each of these were top 20 RBs according to August ADP

Martin

Trent

Spiller

Rice

Foster

Wilson

Miller

CJ

DMC

Only a few can be considered real "gainers" when it comes to dynasty value, and the majority of those are rookies. That is very common as the majority of dynasty owners taking part on a startup are hesitant to choose a rookie early, but if they actually show something, their value explodes. Gainers are:

Gio

Lacy

Ellington

Stacy

Moreno

Woodhead

Joique

Finally, these players have maintained their value:

Shady

Forte

Charles

Lynch

Morris

Bush

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More value Benard or Ray Rice.

Hopkins or Torrey Smith

and by how much.

I see both are rated close in the 10/28 dynasty fbg rankings.

I'll take Bernard over Rice at this point. Seems to be a legit talent and he's quite a bit younger. Rice could have some peak years left, but he might be an "old" 27 with all of the carries he logged at Rutgers. The more pressing issue is that the Ravens OL is a mess and Pierce is locked in for a couple more years.

Not really a fan of Hopkins or Smith. I'd probably take Torrey though. He's having a great year and I think he has a little more upside. I don't hate Hopkins, but IMO he's going to be a little overrated this offseason on the perception that he has star potential. I see him as more of a career FF WR2-WR3 type.

I have Rice slightly ahead of Benard.

I was surprised to see Torrey Smith is ranked 10/11 range of Dynasty WR's I wish a more updated list was available.

I couldn't even imagine finding room in my top 10, or even 15, for Torrey Smith.

I have him at 14. He's young and has improved each season. He's not the "one trick pony" that people label him as, as he's shown an ability to run the entire route tree this year.

ETA: and the elite level speed still should allow for his share of big plays - which have been down a bit due to Flacco's struggles.

His owners obviously value him highly as well, as I haven't been able to land him in any of my four leagues, despite consistently trying for the last three years.

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One thing about Doug Martin, I think it may be premature to put him in the Forte/Rice category. I realize the 6 game start to this season isn't the biggest sample size (though arguably neither is his 16 game rookie season) but his numbers were pretty terrible this year, 3.6 yards per carry, 5.5 yards per catch, 50% catch rate, etc.

If you think he was a fluke that's certainly good ammo. I'm willing to chalk it up to small sample size, increased attention from defenses, and putrid quarterbacking. Freeman completed 45.7% of his passes at 6.07 yards per attempt as a Buc this year. Yikes. It's a miracle that VJax has somehow stayed useful on that team.

Lynch and Forte have both had multiple 3.X YPC seasons in their careers. Ray Rice is averaging 2.7 YPC this season. It's become clear to me recently that while YPC is an important stat, it's also very dependent on usage, scheme, and supporting cast. I think a good back is usually going to have a good YPC on the whole of his career, but that doesn't mean every year is going to be excellent. I have enough faith in Martin that it doesn't really faze me, but if you were never a believer it certainly gives you something tangible to latch onto.

Still a small sample size, but I'll point out that out of his 6 games played this year, he averaged over 4 yards 4 out of 6 times (which is pretty good). His low average is mainly due to the AZ game where he carried the ball a whopping 27 times for only 45 yards. In other words, I didn't think he was having a terrible year based on the 3.5 yard per carry average.

Im not a big Martin fan (or a big fan of RBs in general), but I acquired him in 3 separate leagues post-injury due to his lower perceived value.

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More value Benard or Ray Rice.

Hopkins or Torrey Smith

and by how much.

I see both are rated close in the 10/28 dynasty fbg rankings.

I'll take Bernard over Rice at this point. Seems to be a legit talent and he's quite a bit younger. Rice could have some peak years left, but he might be an "old" 27 with all of the carries he logged at Rutgers. The more pressing issue is that the Ravens OL is a mess and Pierce is locked in for a couple more years.

Not really a fan of Hopkins or Smith. I'd probably take Torrey though. He's having a great year and I think he has a little more upside. I don't hate Hopkins, but IMO he's going to be a little overrated this offseason on the perception that he has star potential. I see him as more of a career FF WR2-WR3 type.

I have Rice slightly ahead of Benard.

I was surprised to see Torrey Smith is ranked 10/11 range of Dynasty WR's I wish a more updated list was available.

I couldn't even imagine finding room in my top 10, or even 15, for Torrey Smith.

I have him at 14. He's young and has improved each season. He's not the "one trick pony" that people label him as, as he's shown an ability to run the entire route tree this year.

ETA: and the elite level speed still should allow for his share of big plays - which have been down a bit due to Flacco's struggles.

His owners obviously value him highly as well, as I haven't been able to land him in any of my four leagues, despite consistently trying for the last three years.

Yeah, it's not necessarily that I dislike Smith, my comment was more reflective of how deep and talented WR is right now. There's no way I could find a spot for him that high.

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In light of Reggie Wayne's injury and given his age, can we propel T.Y. Hilton into the Top 15 for dynasty WRs? He has the talent, but I like his situation even more as both he and Luck are in their 2nd years. The only thing I would be worried about would be Hilton's small frame -- perhaps his durability may be challenged later down the line. But I'm a believer!

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In light of Reggie Wayne's injury and given his age, can we propel T.Y. Hilton into the Top 15 for dynasty WRs? He has the talent, but I like his situation even more as both he and Luck are in their 2nd years. The only thing I would be worried about would be Hilton's small frame -- perhaps his durability may be challenged later down the line. But I'm a believer!

There are way too many incredibly talented, and young,WR's in the NFL right now for me to find a spot in the top-15 for Hilton.

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I think Martin is the best buy-low in dynasty right now, if you can.

He'll be my dynasty RB1 again at the start of next season, TB should have a new regime and maybe a new QB. Fresh start, and Martin is still the same guy.

I think he's a solid buy, but I do see downside in treating him as the top dynasty back. His situation will change drastically as a new coach is brought in, replacing Martin's biggest advocate, in terms of usage.

It's possible. But I don't think it's likely. Even if they draft a QB, they'd be crazy not to lean on Martin for a while. He's that offense's best chance to succeed.

And if they DO draft one of the top prospects, who can take the reigns immediately and do well with VJax/Williams, then that just opens things up for Martin.

I'm viewing a new regime as nothing but positive for Martin, until proven otherwise. TB is kind of top-heavy, talent-wise, but could undergo a quick turnaround under the right guidance. Either way, a great young RB on a fairly cheap contract, that's a guy you utilize heavily.

Edit: I'm not saying to buy him at #1 dynasty RB prices. I'm just saying that if I can buy low, I'm jumping at it, because he's likely to be my #1 dynasty RB going forward.

But what are people calling "buy low" in ppr and non-ppr leagues?

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Anyone have updated rankings they would like to share?

Mine are under the "Ryan M" tab. I usually update them weekly.

http://dynastyleaguefootball.com/rankings/qb-rankings/

You have Keenum in the 70s and Glennon behind some guys that may never take a meaningful NFL snap.

Keenum obviously due a big jump up, thanks for reminding me. But, I doubt I move Glennon up. I don't see him as the long term starter at all.

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I've been posting these stats in the Jordan Reed hype thread, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to cross-post them over here:

Here is a complete list of every single TE in the entire NFL who has scored 8+ points in every game this year (PPR scoring):

  1. Jordan Reed

Here is a complete list of every rookie tight end in NFL history who has averaged more yards per game than Jordan Reed.

  1. Mike Ditka

Here is a complete list of every rookie tight end in NFL history who has averaged more receptions per game than Jordan Reed.

Here are the top 10 tight ends in career receiving yards per game (minimum 8 games played):

  1. Rob Gronkowski - 64.07
  2. Jimmy Graham - 62.85
  3. Kellen Winslow, Sr. - 61.84
  4. Jordan Reed - 60.88
  5. Antonio Gates - 57.23
  6. Tony Gonzalez - 56.27
  7. Jason Witten - 56.27
  8. Aaron Hernandez - 51.47
  9. Kellen Winslow, Jr. - 51.19
  10. Shannon Sharpe - 49.56

Here is a complete list of every tight end with 5+ career receptions per game:

  1. Jordan Reed (5.50)
  2. Jason Witten (5.07)

Kellen Winslow Sr. (4.96 r/g) makes it to if you round.

Edit: The receiving yards per game list ignores Reed's 18 yard rush attempt. Run the list again with all offensive yards and Reed jumps to 2nd with 63.13 yards per game

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I think Martin is the best buy-low in dynasty right now, if you can.

He'll be my dynasty RB1 again at the start of next season, TB should have a new regime and maybe a new QB. Fresh start, and Martin is still the same guy.

I think he's a solid buy, but I do see downside in treating him as the top dynasty back. His situation will change drastically as a new coach is brought in, replacing Martin's biggest advocate, in terms of usage.

It's possible. But I don't think it's likely. Even if they draft a QB, they'd be crazy not to lean on Martin for a while. He's that offense's best chance to succeed.

And if they DO draft one of the top prospects, who can take the reigns immediately and do well with VJax/Williams, then that just opens things up for Martin.

I'm viewing a new regime as nothing but positive for Martin, until proven otherwise. TB is kind of top-heavy, talent-wise, but could undergo a quick turnaround under the right guidance. Either way, a great young RB on a fairly cheap contract, that's a guy you utilize heavily.

Edit: I'm not saying to buy him at #1 dynasty RB prices. I'm just saying that if I can buy low, I'm jumping at it, because he's likely to be my #1 dynasty RB going forward.

But what are people calling "buy low" in ppr and non-ppr leagues?

I'd consider anything less than a top-5 RB price tag a buy low, personally. Depending on my current team situation, I'd move older RB1s (Peterson / Forte) or younger less proven guys (Lacy / Gio) straight up for Martin and consider it a slight upgrade. Less would obviously be a steal IMO.

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Anyone have updated rankings they would like to share?

Did a set for QB/RB/WR last week. Before Blackmons latest indiscretion :cry:

http://dynastyppr.blogspot.co.uk/

TE and I'd go

Graham

Gronk

Reed

Cameron

Thomas

Eifert

Vernon

Fleener

Rudolph

Witten

Olsen

Rodgers as QB4 is interesting, don't think I've ever seen him that low. And your rankings were done prior to his injury. So is it strictly age that caused you to drop him behind the 3 younger QB's ?

How far will you be moving Blackmon down from 7 with his suspension ?

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Anyone have updated rankings they would like to share?

Mine are under the "Ryan M" tab. I usually update them weekly.

http://dynastyleaguefootball.com/rankings/qb-rankings/

You have Keenum in the 70s and Glennon behind some guys that may never take a meaningful NFL snap.

Keenum obviously due a big jump up, thanks for reminding me. But, I doubt I move Glennon up. I don't see him as the long term starter at all.

This reminds me of an argument I had with F&L several years back. My argument was that a young QB getting an extended chance to start absolutely positively belonged in the top 25 or 30 of any ranking list. His argument was basically that if he didn't think said QB had the talent to ever be a difference maker, that short term production was meaningless.

I still believe QBs like Glennon need to be in the top 30, based at least partially on the thought that young QBs often do, in fact, improve. I've come to have a greater appreciation for the reasoning behind not putting them there though, and have come to realize that league parameters can make a huge difference in ranking someone like that. IN a 14 team Superflex league with shallow rosters, Glennon absolutely belongs in the top 30. In a deep roster 12 team standard league- it doesn't really matter. He has value as a QB2 behind a young stud (freeing up roster space for prospects at other positions),but he's not terribly valuable as a QB3 behind two marginal fantasy starters (where he isn't good enough to supplant them) if you don't believe he has the skillset to ever become a fantasy QB1. In other words, in most leagues, his value depends heavily on the rest of your roster- but the difference between 22 or 40 on some pros list really isn't all that big anyway. We have better things to discuss/argue/worry about.

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if you don't believe he has the skillset to ever become a fantasy QB1.

In 1 QB leagues this is all I'm looking for when it comes to QB's. I value QB's who have never touched the field (Mallett, Osweiler, etc.) over guys who have and look like they'll never be QB1's.

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if you don't believe he has the skillset to ever become a fantasy QB1.

In 1 QB leagues this is all I'm looking for when it comes to QB's. I value QB's who have never touched the field (Mallett, Osweiler, etc.) over guys who have and look like they'll never be QB1's.

A million times this. Joe Flacco is an above-average NFL quarterback, but he's a total albatross because he falls in the gap between "average NFL quarterback" and "useful fantasy asset". Eli Manning has inhabited that gap his entire career. He snuck into QB1 range once in 2005 when QB production was down across the board, and he snuck in there again in 2011 with the breakout of Cruz and Nicks, but otherwise he's made a career out of being a fantasy QB2 who will fool you into thinking he's a borderline QB1 if you look at his season totals rather than his per-game stats. I'm not saying that guys like Eli or Flacco are worthless, but I'd much rather spend my time and effort trying to acquire guys that I'd actually like to start from time to time.

"Experts" tend to be pretty dismissive of fantasy quarterbacks, always going on and on about how "deep" the position is, but the reality is that there are very, very few fantasy difference makers at the position, and those guys are every bit as valuable as difference makers at other positions. If I don't have one of those difference makers, I'm taking massive swings and praying for a home run. Screw guys like Christian Ponder or Mike Glennon or Alex Smith or Carson Palmer. Give me guys like Josh Freeman or Ryan Mallett or Brock Osweiler or Case Keenum, instead. Or Nick Foles and Colin Kaepernick, before them.

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if you don't believe he has the skillset to ever become a fantasy QB1.

In 1 QB leagues this is all I'm looking for when it comes to QB's. I value QB's who have never touched the field (Mallett, Osweiler, etc.) over guys who have and look like they'll never be QB1's.

A million times this. Joe Flacco is an above-average NFL quarterback, but he's a total albatross because he falls in the gap between "average NFL quarterback" and "useful fantasy asset". Eli Manning has inhabited that gap his entire career. He snuck into QB1 range once in 2005 when QB production was down across the board, and he snuck in there again in 2011 with the breakout of Cruz and Nicks, but otherwise he's made a career out of being a fantasy QB2 who will fool you into thinking he's a borderline QB1 if you look at his season totals rather than his per-game stats. I'm not saying that guys like Eli or Flacco are worthless, but I'd much rather spend my time and effort trying to acquire guys that I'd actually like to start from time to time.

"Experts" tend to be pretty dismissive of fantasy quarterbacks, always going on and on about how "deep" the position is, but the reality is that there are very, very few fantasy difference makers at the position, and those guys are every bit as valuable as difference makers at other positions. If I don't have one of those difference makers, I'm taking massive swings and praying for a home run. Screw guys like Christian Ponder or Mike Glennon or Alex Smith or Carson Palmer. Give me guys like Josh Freeman or Ryan Mallett or Brock Osweiler or Case Keenum, instead. Or Nick Foles and Colin Kaepernick, before them.

Ditto. I've already got guys like Foles and Keenum well ahead of the Flacco's and Cutler's and Eli's of the world just on the off-shot that they hit it big.

I've said for years that I have zero interest in guys like Flacco in fantasy. A fantasy QB2 is just way too easy to find.

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A shot at some dynasty RB rankings for PPR leagues:

1. LeSean McCoy, PHI - The safe compromise between security and youth. Then again, that was Ray Rice two years ago and look at him now. McCoy is the obvious choice if you're looking at it from a three year window type of perspective, but others may offer more for teams with a longview.

2. Doug Martin, TB - I believe in his talent and he's right in the prime of his career. The Mike James factor may scare some teams away. I see Martin as a superior all-around player and a good bet to remain a FF RB1 for the next few years regardless.

3. Gio Bernard, CIN - He's the one current starter from this rookie RB class that I have total faith in. Very good player and his versatility is a huge plus. Given his age, you can argue that he's going to hold his value better than the two guys ranked above him here.

4. Jamaal Charles, KC - Much like McCoy, his value is pretty immediate. You're going to get 2-3 really good seasons and then probably not much else.

5. Trent Richardson, IND - It might be madness to rank him this high, but I think his current struggles have a lot to do with circumstance. He's still young and has the skill set to be a rock in FF lineups for the next half decade. If he's a bust, I'm content to go down with the ship.

6. Adrian Peterson, MIN - A short-term dynamo with big difference-maker potential for the next 1-2 years. For a contender, he has more value than any of these younger players besides maybe Bernard. For a rebuilder I might rather have Michael.

7. CJ Spiller, BUF - A mystifying player who obviously has a lot of talent, but can't seem to get the consistent touches he needs. He turns 27 in August and his game is predicated totally on speed.

8. Alfred Morris, WAS - He is what he is. An awesome runner who adds ZERO value as a receiver. There's minimal upside, but you know what you're getting.

9. Eddie Lacy, GB - I like, but don't love his talent. On raw ability alone I don't rate him as a top 10 NFL RB (probably not even that close). This ranking is mainly about situation. He appears to have the Green Bay RB job on lockdown and it's tough to envision them drafting a replacement within the next couple years.

10. Reggie Bush, DET - Not all that different from Peterson and Charles in terms of outlook. What you're getting is a brief window of dynamic ppg numbers.

11. Arian Foster, HOU - There are some signs that he might be breaking down a little bit. On the other hand, he's a complete back who provides great FF numbers when healthy. He should continue as the unquestioned starter in Houston next year with Tate likely gone.

12. Matt Forte, CHI - Yet another aging star who should have 1-2 very good years left.

13. Christine Michael, SEA - An ascending asset whose value will really blossom once he becomes the starter. For a rebuilding team, I might take him as high as RB6-7. There's no doubt that his value will go up in the near future. He also appears to have legit talent. The only major question is whether he can be a durable player long term. That was the main problem for him in college and it will probably be the determinant of whether he becomes a mega star or merely a tease.

14. Stevan Ridley, NE - Not all that different from Morris in my view. Just not quite as effective and faces more competition for work. He's a boring FF RB2 without the upside to ever become much more than that.

15. DeMarco Murray, DAL - When he's healthy, he's an explosive and versatile starter. He's almost guaranteed to miss time every season though.

16. Bernard Pierce, BAL - I think he has starter talent, so the lack of opportunity should eventually correct itself. The major issue is durability. Pierce is often nicked up and may end up being a DeMarco Murray type once he finally gets his chance.

17. Jonathan Stewart, CAR - More talented than anyone ranked outside the top 13 (and some ranked inside the top 10). It's just a question of staying healthy and getting the necessary touches.

18. Ben Tate, HOU - The main attraction here is the opportunity to sign somewhere as a starter in the offseason. I don't think he's some kind of awesome player, but he's good enough to be a decent producer if given carries.

19. Zac Stacy, STL - I wouldn't draft him at his ADP at a startup and I would not be the least bit surprised to see him fade into irrelevance. However, he's a young starter who MAYBE has enough talent to last. This is an opportunity ranking.

20. LeVeon Bell, PIT - Much like Stacy except his production has been a lot worse this year. He has been positively ploderrific for the Steelers and that's consistent with my impression of him from college. I think he's a huge risk to fade into the abyss, but there's always a chance that I'm wrong and the upside is decent.

21. Ray Rice, BAL - Value has taken a massive hit this year. Is he struggling because of Baltimore's offense or is he declining? Might be a bit of both. The fact that he's no longer young and you can no longer rely on him for standout production makes him a dicey FF proposition. There's some potential that he turns into a Frank Gore-like steal for the next few years based on all the age-related paranoia and downgrading that he'll suffer from.

22. Knowshon Moreno, DEN - A pedestrian runner who does a lot of the little things (pass blocking and catching) well. He's the new Joseph Addai. Will he hold off Montee Ball indefinitely? Will he stay in Denver? Will he implode once Manning is gone? There is all sorts of long term risk here, but the immediate value is obvious too.

23. Ryan Mathews, SD - He finally looks good again, but his limited usage is killing his FF value. Given that he's basically unstartable and there's no immediate route to workhorse duties with Woodhead in the fold, he's really not much more than a bye week fill-in or best ball special at the moment.

24. Mark Ingram, NO - Maybe this is an overreaction to last night's game, but he looked good. He's still young enough to turn his career around if he can land in a situation where he'll be utilized correctly. I see a Benson/Moreno type of ceiling here and that might be worth a punt if you can get him cheap.

25. Bryce Brown, PHI - Shows flashes of starter talent behind McCoy. Still raw and inconsistent. Years away from impact, but he's clearly a guy who could obliterate his current price if things break the right way for him.

26. David Wilson, NYG - I was never a massive fan and with the tough season and injury issues, I would have a tough time giving up anything of note for him. He's still young with exciting athletic ability, so you never know...

27. Frank Gore, SF - He's like the Energizer Bunny. He keeps going...and going...and going. Should still be viewed as strictly a 1 year window guy given his advanced age though. Anything beyond next season would be a pleasant surprise.

28. Danny Woodhead, SD - A short-term PPR fix who has value because of his role in the offense. Limited shelf life and upside, but could provide a significant boost over the next 2-3 seasons if they continue to feed him targets.

29. Darren Sproles, NO - A better, older version of Woodhead. Much like with Gore, you shouldn't expect all that much beyond the next year.

30. Darren McFadden, OAK - Utterly incapable of staying healthy, but he's a free agent after this season and he could have spot starter value when available.

31. Lamar Miller, MIA - Having an okay year in Miami's committee. If his role expands there's some upside to crush this ranking. I don't personally think he's a special talent as a RB though and without great immediate value, I don't see a big incentive to hitch my wagon to his career.

32. Shane Vereen, NE - I don't like him that much and I think his ceiling is limited by the presence of Ridley. Still, there might be enough targets here to make him a RB2-RB3 in FF when he's back healthy.

33. Andre Ellington, ARI - Has shown flashes of explosive big play ability. Can he become a workhorse back ala Jamaal Charles? That is the best case scenario. There's also a risk that he's basically just Jerious Norwood. Plenty of upside as a RB4 or MAYBE a RB3. I would not pay top 20 RB prices for him.

34. Montee Ball, DEN - He was supposed to be the starter in Denver and so far it hasn't materialized. His profile isn't all that different from Moreno's. Standout college runner who lacks special physical tools. I could be talked into taking a cheap flyer on him, especially if his value keeps tanking, but I never had enough faith in his talent to pay a steep price for him.

35. Marcus Lattimore, SF - An interesting buy low proposition for rebuilders. I always felt his talent was overrated and I never thought he'd be able to stay healthy, but if he emerges from the competition to become Frank Gore's successor then he'll (at least momentarily) have a lot of value.

36. Toby Gerhart, MIN - The main appeal here is that he's set to hit the market in free agency this spring and there are any number of teams in the NFL where he could instantly achieve RB3 production. I don't know that he's substantially less talented than LeVeon Bell and Eddie Lacy. The primary thing keeping him from producing on par with those players is a lack of opportunity. With that possibly being corrected soon, he's a cheap lottery ticket. If he signs in a bad spot you can cut him and be done with it.

37. Rashard Mendenhall, ARI - Having a very pedestrian year in Arizona. Seemingly on the injury report every week. He's done nothing to boost his stock this year, but he's a free agent again in the offseason and may find another opportunity to claim a prominent role.

38. Knile Davis, KC - Very cheap to acquire given his draft slot and size/speed ratio. I don't believe in his long term ability, but he's plenty capable of looking great over a brief stretch of time ala Murray or McFadden.

39. Mike James, TB - A decent no-nonsense power back in the mold of BJGE or Brandon Bolden. Capable of thriving in spot duty, but not so talented that he's a guaranteed future starter.

40. Shonn Greene, TEN - A little bit better than given credit for. He's already carving into Johnson's workload and there's a non-zero probability that he'll become the outright starter within the next 1-2 years. His upside is quite limited though.

41. Maurice Jones-Drew, JAX - A shell of his former self. Hobbled by injures and age. I think he's basically done. His best bet is to land on a new team and have an Emmitt-in-Arizona or maybe even a Dillon-in-New England renaissance before it's all said and done.

42. Kendall Hunter, SF - Seems to be recovered from his injuries. A top contender for the future starter role in SF.

43. Robert Turbin, SEA - A very ordinary talent who could have some value if he can stumble into a starting role ala Ivory or BJGE.

44. Chris Ivory, NYJ - A mediocre starter keeping a seat warm in New York. Modest immediate value with very little long term potential.

Unless I'm forgetting some names, everyone else is pretty negligible IMO.

I forgot Chris Johnson. I rank him around the 35-40 range. He's old, he seems done as an elite player, and he's not even all that useful now that Greene has returned to eat into the pie.

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It was inevitable that I'd forget someone. I had Lynch in there with the Bush-Foster-Forte cluster. I'd probably take him 1st-2nd among that group.

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A shot at some dynasty RB rankings for PPR leagues:

1. LeSean McCoy, PHI - The safe compromise between security and youth. Then again, that was Ray Rice two years ago and look at him now. McCoy is the obvious choice if you're looking at it from a three year window type of perspective, but others may offer more for teams with a longview.

2. Doug Martin, TB - I believe in his talent and he's right in the prime of his career. The Mike James factor may scare some teams away. I see Martin as a superior all-around player and a good bet to remain a FF RB1 for the next few years regardless.

3. Gio Bernard, CIN - He's the one current starter from this rookie RB class that I have total faith in. Very good player and his versatility is a huge plus. Given his age, you can argue that he's going to hold his value better than the two guys ranked above him here.

4. Jamaal Charles, KC - Much like McCoy, his value is pretty immediate. You're going to get 2-3 really good seasons and then probably not much else.

5. Trent Richardson, IND - It might be madness to rank him this high, but I think his current struggles have a lot to do with circumstance. He's still young and has the skill set to be a rock in FF lineups for the next half decade. If he's a bust, I'm content to go down with the ship.

6. Adrian Peterson, MIN - A short-term dynamo with big difference-maker potential for the next 1-2 years. For a contender, he has more value than any of these younger players besides maybe Bernard. For a rebuilder I might rather have Michael.

7. CJ Spiller, BUF - A mystifying player who obviously has a lot of talent, but can't seem to get the consistent touches he needs. He turns 27 in August and his game is predicated totally on speed.

8. Alfred Morris, WAS - He is what he is. An awesome runner who adds ZERO value as a receiver. There's minimal upside, but you know what you're getting.

9. Eddie Lacy, GB - I like, but don't love his talent. On raw ability alone I don't rate him as a top 10 NFL RB (probably not even that close). This ranking is mainly about situation. He appears to have the Green Bay RB job on lockdown and it's tough to envision them drafting a replacement within the next couple years.

10. Reggie Bush, DET - Not all that different from Peterson and Charles in terms of outlook. What you're getting is a brief window of dynamic ppg numbers.

11. Arian Foster, HOU - There are some signs that he might be breaking down a little bit. On the other hand, he's a complete back who provides great FF numbers when healthy. He should continue as the unquestioned starter in Houston next year with Tate likely gone.

12. Matt Forte, CHI - Yet another aging star who should have 1-2 very good years left.

13. Christine Michael, SEA - An ascending asset whose value will really blossom once he becomes the starter. For a rebuilding team, I might take him as high as RB6-7. There's no doubt that his value will go up in the near future. He also appears to have legit talent. The only major question is whether he can be a durable player long term. That was the main problem for him in college and it will probably be the determinant of whether he becomes a mega star or merely a tease.

14. Stevan Ridley, NE - Not all that different from Morris in my view. Just not quite as effective and faces more competition for work. He's a boring FF RB2 without the upside to ever become much more than that.

15. DeMarco Murray, DAL - When he's healthy, he's an explosive and versatile starter. He's almost guaranteed to miss time every season though.

16. Bernard Pierce, BAL - I think he has starter talent, so the lack of opportunity should eventually correct itself. The major issue is durability. Pierce is often nicked up and may end up being a DeMarco Murray type once he finally gets his chance.

17. Jonathan Stewart, CAR - More talented than anyone ranked outside the top 13 (and some ranked inside the top 10). It's just a question of staying healthy and getting the necessary touches.

18. Ben Tate, HOU - The main attraction here is the opportunity to sign somewhere as a starter in the offseason. I don't think he's some kind of awesome player, but he's good enough to be a decent producer if given carries.

19. Zac Stacy, STL - I wouldn't draft him at his ADP at a startup and I would not be the least bit surprised to see him fade into irrelevance. However, he's a young starter who MAYBE has enough talent to last. This is an opportunity ranking.

20. LeVeon Bell, PIT - Much like Stacy except his production has been a lot worse this year. He has been positively ploderrific for the Steelers and that's consistent with my impression of him from college. I think he's a huge risk to fade into the abyss, but there's always a chance that I'm wrong and the upside is decent.

21. Ray Rice, BAL - Value has taken a massive hit this year. Is he struggling because of Baltimore's offense or is he declining? Might be a bit of both. The fact that he's no longer young and you can no longer rely on him for standout production makes him a dicey FF proposition. There's some potential that he turns into a Frank Gore-like steal for the next few years based on all the age-related paranoia and downgrading that he'll suffer from.

22. Knowshon Moreno, DEN - A pedestrian runner who does a lot of the little things (pass blocking and catching) well. He's the new Joseph Addai. Will he hold off Montee Ball indefinitely? Will he stay in Denver? Will he implode once Manning is gone? There is all sorts of long term risk here, but the immediate value is obvious too.

23. Ryan Mathews, SD - He finally looks good again, but his limited usage is killing his FF value. Given that he's basically unstartable and there's no immediate route to workhorse duties with Woodhead in the fold, he's really not much more than a bye week fill-in or best ball special at the moment.

24. Mark Ingram, NO - Maybe this is an overreaction to last night's game, but he looked good. He's still young enough to turn his career around if he can land in a situation where he'll be utilized correctly. I see a Benson/Moreno type of ceiling here and that might be worth a punt if you can get him cheap.

25. Bryce Brown, PHI - Shows flashes of starter talent behind McCoy. Still raw and inconsistent. Years away from impact, but he's clearly a guy who could obliterate his current price if things break the right way for him.

26. David Wilson, NYG - I was never a massive fan and with the tough season and injury issues, I would have a tough time giving up anything of note for him. He's still young with exciting athletic ability, so you never know...

27. Frank Gore, SF - He's like the Energizer Bunny. He keeps going...and going...and going. Should still be viewed as strictly a 1 year window guy given his advanced age though. Anything beyond next season would be a pleasant surprise.

28. Danny Woodhead, SD - A short-term PPR fix who has value because of his role in the offense. Limited shelf life and upside, but could provide a significant boost over the next 2-3 seasons if they continue to feed him targets.

29. Darren Sproles, NO - A better, older version of Woodhead. Much like with Gore, you shouldn't expect all that much beyond the next year.

30. Darren McFadden, OAK - Utterly incapable of staying healthy, but he's a free agent after this season and he could have spot starter value when available.

31. Lamar Miller, MIA - Having an okay year in Miami's committee. If his role expands there's some upside to crush this ranking. I don't personally think he's a special talent as a RB though and without great immediate value, I don't see a big incentive to hitch my wagon to his career.

32. Shane Vereen, NE - I don't like him that much and I think his ceiling is limited by the presence of Ridley. Still, there might be enough targets here to make him a RB2-RB3 in FF when he's back healthy.

33. Andre Ellington, ARI - Has shown flashes of explosive big play ability. Can he become a workhorse back ala Jamaal Charles? That is the best case scenario. There's also a risk that he's basically just Jerious Norwood. Plenty of upside as a RB4 or MAYBE a RB3. I would not pay top 20 RB prices for him.

34. Montee Ball, DEN - He was supposed to be the starter in Denver and so far it hasn't materialized. His profile isn't all that different from Moreno's. Standout college runner who lacks special physical tools. I could be talked into taking a cheap flyer on him, especially if his value keeps tanking, but I never had enough faith in his talent to pay a steep price for him.

35. Marcus Lattimore, SF - An interesting buy low proposition for rebuilders. I always felt his talent was overrated and I never thought he'd be able to stay healthy, but if he emerges from the competition to become Frank Gore's successor then he'll (at least momentarily) have a lot of value.

36. Toby Gerhart, MIN - The main appeal here is that he's set to hit the market in free agency this spring and there are any number of teams in the NFL where he could instantly achieve RB3 production. I don't know that he's substantially less talented than LeVeon Bell and Eddie Lacy. The primary thing keeping him from producing on par with those players is a lack of opportunity. With that possibly being corrected soon, he's a cheap lottery ticket. If he signs in a bad spot you can cut him and be done with it.

37. Rashard Mendenhall, ARI - Having a very pedestrian year in Arizona. Seemingly on the injury report every week. He's done nothing to boost his stock this year, but he's a free agent again in the offseason and may find another opportunity to claim a prominent role.

38. Knile Davis, KC - Very cheap to acquire given his draft slot and size/speed ratio. I don't believe in his long term ability, but he's plenty capable of looking great over a brief stretch of time ala Murray or McFadden.

39. Mike James, TB - A decent no-nonsense power back in the mold of BJGE or Brandon Bolden. Capable of thriving in spot duty, but not so talented that he's a guaranteed future starter.

40. Shonn Greene, TEN - A little bit better than given credit for. He's already carving into Johnson's workload and there's a non-zero probability that he'll become the outright starter within the next 1-2 years. His upside is quite limited though.

41. Maurice Jones-Drew, JAX - A shell of his former self. Hobbled by injures and age. I think he's basically done. His best bet is to land on a new team and have an Emmitt-in-Arizona or maybe even a Dillon-in-New England renaissance before it's all said and done.

42. Kendall Hunter, SF - Seems to be recovered from his injuries. A top contender for the future starter role in SF.

43. Robert Turbin, SEA - A very ordinary talent who could have some value if he can stumble into a starting role ala Ivory or BJGE.

44. Chris Ivory, NYJ - A mediocre starter keeping a seat warm in New York. Modest immediate value with very little long term potential.

Unless I'm forgetting some names, everyone else is pretty negligible IMO.

I forgot Chris Johnson. I rank him around the 35-40 range. He's old, he seems done as an elite player, and he's not even all that useful now that Greene has returned to eat into the pie.

Brilliant stuff, EBF.

Out if curiosity, roughly where would you slot the 2014 draftees into these rankings?

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Brilliant stuff, EBF.

Out if curiosity, roughly where would you slot the 2014 draftees into these rankings?

Very difficult to answer that question right now. Partially because I don't know which teams will draft them and partially because I'm still developing my opinions on some of those players. I think Lache Seastrunk has a promising set of skills and could end up being an instant top 10 dynasty back come May. I am a little less certain on Melvin Gordon, as he seems like he might be more of a system back, but drafting today he would be somewhere in the teens.

My next few guys at this moment in time are Bishop Sankey (Washington), Jeremy Hill (LSU), and Devonta Freeman (Florida State) with SEVERAL other prospects also in the mix. I'd say those guys could fall anywhere between 17-40 depending on the postseason. The workouts will be important. Everyone who follows college football has known about Christine Michael since his freshman season in 2009, but it wasn't until the combine that he really became a top 100 pick last year. It was a similar story with Hardesty and Tate a few years back. Sometimes you don't know exactly what kind of athlete you're dealing with until you see them in a neutral environment without the pads. So for some of the borderline guys like Sankey that's going to be important.

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