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didn't say it should prioritize wrestling. i think you questioned another poster on why 4 take downs is more impressive than 4 escapes. i'm going to go out on a limp and say that the point system in wrestling does offer some precedent on why mma judges would consider that to be the case.
Do you reward offense over defense?
I was off, forgetting the discussion of why fights are judged how they are. But how often does discussion go into how judges actually score fights (Cecil People's leg kicks don't count) vs what someone thinks the judges should have done.
Is pulling guard offensive or defensive?
Offensive. It's a huge risk in MMA though because it's common to get busted up while someone is in your guard.
So in an otherwise even round, a) would you score the round for the guard puller and
a) Yesb) "any judge" - yes. I would hope they would remember how the fight got to the mat. Given my experience with judging, however, I would not expect the average judge to reward the guy on bottom.
Didn't expect answer A. Most people prioritize absolute position vs the way the fighters got there. So Condit could've won a round by flopping back and pulling Hendricks down as Hendricks shot for a takedown?
That's not so clear cut. If Condit only pulled guard because he was being taken down, then I'd favor the takedown. If Condit was in the clinch and pulled guard, I'd favor the guard pull.
I don't think GSP has cleaned out his division. Not with Ellenberger and McDonald coming up and Maia impressing at his new weight. Also, 38 years old is past anyone's prime. It wouldn't be the super fight it could have been. I don't need to see it to know how great Anderson and GSP. I really don't know what it would prove.
Rumors out last week that someone on GSP's coaching staff/team said GSP's plan was Diaz, Hendricks, Silva, retire.
Makes a lot of sense to me. Some may think he'd be retiring early, but the guy's been fighting since he was 21 & his career has come during the rise to prominence of the UFC (to where he's earned a ton of $$). The guy's held the welterweight belt for nearly 6 years by the time he fights again.Buyrates for Silva/GSP would be insane. (7 year win streak vs. a 6 year one)
Yep. He'd go out on top which very few do (win or lose vs Silva) and would have had almost a perfect career. He makes $4-5M per fight so he isn't going to need cash.
Diminish the potential that it actually happens or the potential 'greatness' of it?
The latter, but the former is interesting also.
that or there Super Bowl show. It has to be a PPV fight, can't give Silva-GSP to Fox for free. Having the fight in NY would be the plan for Dana, but it makes sense the plan that is set. It would blow to see GSP retire after the fight though, maybe some good time off, but i would hate to see him walk away from the fight. Though he has shown less desire to work with the media since his return and you would have to think that he may be getting tired of all of it. which is an interesting thing, especially from a gambling angle. We are seeing more and more guys who have been around for a bit, losing interest in fighting when their performance is still pretty good. Hardy, Rashad, Mir, and I am sure there are a bunch others. Strange to see some guys lose their desire to fight as they are in it for a bit, and then you see guys like Wandy and Nog who can't walk away
The rumor I was seeing was that with FOX showing the Super Bowl next year, that they were pushing for a FOX super fight Super Bowl weekend in NYC. If not there then in NJ.
i remember hearing that too. I just can't imagine that Dana would give up his biggest PPV draw ever for a free show on Fox. But maybe. I think this year they had a show on the week before the Super Bowl, and i am not sure if it is schedukled that way again. I could see that be the case, and the next week be the huge PPV on Saturday with the SB on Sunday, like this year. i believe this was Edgar-Aldo right?
I thought Starnes/Quarry was 3 x 10-8 rounds. I didn't remember a 10-7 round, but it's been a while. I don't remember Petz-Morgan, I'll have to look that one up.'Voice Of Reason said:
All that getting punched in the face stuff probably get less exciting when you're sitting on a few million.'modogg said:
The worst of the Round 1's between Maynard and Edgar?10-7's are in the rules. They should be used, imo.
My only argument against the 10-7s is that it is virtually impossible to come back from in a decision. We have seen multiple fights where a guy gets destroyed one round, only to come back and win it. I think 10-8s should be one of the more serious one's, unless they change the scoring system. You lose a round 10-8, but if you come back to win the next 2 rounds, you get a draw at best. Just seems like a 10-7 is a death sentence unless it is a 5 round fight, where it still is very tough to come back from. would be interesting to see how many fights had a 10-8 score or 10-7 (i'm sure we don't know half of them because we rarely see scorecards for fights that do not go to decision) that a fighter went on to lose.
It definitely would. There are already people calling them washed up or past their primes (even in this thread). It be more like Chuck vs Silva but still the greatest matchup the UFC has ever had.'SacramentoBob said:
For the life of me I can't imagine anybody thinking that Anderson or GSP are washed up. GSP may not be as exciting as he was before he was ko'd, but the guy had dominated everybody he has faced. He lost one round to condit and I can't remember the last time he has lost a round. And anybody who thinks that with silva just needs to watch silva-bonnet again. Granted we all know bonner is no world beater, but the skills silva showed in that fight are unmatched by anybody in mma that I can think of
Nobody said washed up. Past his completely different. No one is in their prime at 38. Just not possible. I would have love to see a 30-34 year old Anderson take on anyone in the world at any weight class. Not so much an Anderson that is pushing 40. Although I have no idea what possible challenges are left for him at 185 after he kicks Weidman's ###. Part of me would be happy if he retired on top. GSP is the easier of the two super fights, but GSP has some more fights at 170 that need to happen first (if he is being sencire about leaving the weight class if he took the Anderson fight).
I agree with your sentiments on Silva. But what exactly do you think GSP lacks?I just think he's smart and doesn't take chances. Early in his career he finished people. But now it's more important for him to grind out wins. If he was told he had to finish his opponents in three rounds or he wouldn't get paid, I would be willing to bet a lot of money that his fights would never get passed the second round.
It would be impossible to come back from if judges kept the current system of basically only giving 10-9's.
If figther A wins a single round by more than the combined output of fighter B in the the two rounds he wins, then it'd be wrong to award the fight to Fighter B, imo.
Basically, I'm advocating using the tools available in the 10 point must system yield results closer to the scoring system of PRIDE or Fightmetric. There are fights where most people would agree that fighter A "won" the fight, but the they say fighter B should win because of the structure of the 10 pt must system, e.g. two close rounds that slightly favor fighter B and 1 round where fighter A is totally dominant. I'm saying those type of outcomes stem from a bad application of the 10 pt must system, not some inherit flaw in the system.
Whatever happened to California trying out the .5 system? i haven't heard anything about it but that might be a solution too. I have heard a couple of good ideas, somebody recommended a 30 point system where it was something like 10 points for striking, 10 points for grappling, and i forget what the other 10 points but i am guessing some form of aggression/control/damage. i know somebody recommended a 100 point must system, but i can only imagine a judge deciding between 91 and 93 points for a round
I guess the 0.5 system in CA died, haven't heard anything about it either. I still think using the tools within the current system would basically be the same as the options you mentioned. A lot of people seems to advocate removing discretion from judges, but I'm not for it. Sure, Patrica Jarman or Cecil Peoples could royally screw up given more freedom to score 10-10's and 10-7's, but ultimately someone has to make the decision. The judge or the system creator. I'd rather it be on the judge, because they are more replaceable and burden more responsibility for their calls.
no kidding? That would suck, I've been kinda looking forward to checking out this card.
didn't realize it was on NBC sports. Is this Ray Sefo's league (i always forget what his is called)?i got money on David Branch, Nam and Johnson. Feel horrible for a guy like Paulo Filho. Used to be considered a top level MW and on his way to great things, but refuses to seek any assistance with mental health issues and they constantly hold him back
Yes.
thanks. I think there are a few leagues that have recently come up and i wasn't sure if this was his league or if it was the RFAETA: changed it to RFA. I thought it was Real Fighting Alliance, but it is Ring of Fire something.
He's still got some decent hands but his chin is beyond suspect at this point. AJ has good power so I'd be really shocked if this fight ended any other way than AJ by (T)KO
I thought that was the knock on Arlovski. Looking at both their records, no way this goes to decision.
they are both are on a 4-3 or 3-0 run. Granted their competition hasn't been top notch. Arlovski has looked a little better since working with Greg Jackson though, fights a little smaller. His problem is that he is a striker, he won't be trying to take Johnson down. And with that, he exposes himself to get hit by AJ, which is dangerous. Will be an interesting fight. i am also tempted to take Josh Burkman over Aaron Simpson. Simpson is 37 and i think he is going out there for a paycheck. Not sure of Burkman's motivation either but he is +220 or something so i may take a chance with him
Speed and a chin >>> slow with no chin. And Arlovski only weighed in 15 lbs more. That weight doesn't mean much in a striking battle.
